*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[oneohh]

OMG make it stop already - looks like this is going to the deadline....has a rumored deal ever gone one this long? King is being played like a banjo...he's got to start pulling pieces from the deal as it drags on...if no deal buy 1/7/11 - no Favors just picks and expirings......this is awful

"Every indicator seems to be showing that a trade for Carmelo Anthony is NOT imminent. Chris Dempsey of the Denver Post tweeted that there was no truth to the report that a three-team deal involving the Cavaliers almost went down last week. Chris Mannix of SI similarly quotes an "exec on team in Melo chase" as saying Denver is in "no rush".

Al Iannazzone, quoting a "league source", adds that Anthony "isn't expected to change addresses in the near future" and notes that if Denver continues to dawdle into February, it "could get less from the Nets and other teams that have been trying since before the season to make a deal."

The rumor around Denver is that the front office wants to give the team a few weeks with the full roster, which hasn't played one game together yet.

Thats all well and good but doesnt mean King should accomodate them....King has been following around Melo offering everything.....its time to play hard to get. Maybe Nets wont be there in a few weeks.....maybe Favors will be off the table....I miss Thorn

I don't think its King making the push for Melo, I think its The Russian MC and he really wants the big name that Melo has. I do agree with you that the Nets need to get the Nuggets a deadline though, this waiting game is surely wearing on the Nets players and its letting the Nuggets completely control the situation.

I finally got to King? About time....crap or get off the pot....enjoy the garbage offers Denver (no offense Kev)Ken Berger, who has broken a number of stories on Carmelo Anthony this season, reports Friday that Nets officials are so tired of the "mixed signals" and "indecision" coming out of Denver that they're "'substantively' re-evaluating their pursuit" of Anthony and may simply walk away from trade talks.

"With trade demands that another executive described as 'too high and unrealistic,' the Nuggets run the risk of alienating the team that from the beginning had the most assets to offer -- starting with Derrick Favors, multiple first-round picks and the expiring contract of Troy Murphy," Berger writes.

Nets' officials --presumably Billy King and Bobby Marks-- are increasingly frustrated with the talks and have grown "'sick of the whole charade,' according to one source and have 'backed away,' according to another."

How unreasonable? Adrian Wojnarowski reports that in a larger, multi-team deal, the Nuggets want the Nets to give up five first round picks and Devin Harris...without getting a point guard back.

. . .

 

[Kiddnets]

I don't think its King making the push for Melo, I think its The Russian MC and he really wants the big name that Melo has. I do agree with you that the Nets need to get the Nuggets a deadline though, this waiting game is surely wearing on the Nets players and its letting the Nuggets completely control the situation.

I finally got to King? About time....crap or get off the pot....enjoy the garbage offers Denver (no offense Kev)

Ken Berger, who has broken a number of stories on Carmelo Anthony this season, reports Friday that Nets officials are so tired of the "mixed signals" and "indecision" coming out of Denver that they're "'substantively' re-evaluating their pursuit" of Anthony and may simply walk away from trade talks.

"With trade demands that another executive described as 'too high and unrealistic,' the Nuggets run the risk of alienating the team that from the beginning had the most assets to offer -- starting with Derrick Favors, multiple first-round picks and the expiring contract of Troy Murphy," Berger writes.

Nets' officials --presumably Billy King and Bobby Marks-- are increasingly frustrated with the talks and have grown "'sick of the whole charade,' according to one source and have 'backed away,' according to another."

How unreasonable? Adrian Wojnarowski reports that in a larger, multi-team deal, the Nuggets want the Nets to give up five first round picks and Devin Harris...without getting a point guard back.

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anyone see the Denver GM as Dr Evil.....one hundred trillion dollars....muh ha ha ha!!!

Time to deal or move on. Good move by King - its all about hand Jerry!

 

[Kev4029]

OMG make it stop already - looks like this is going to the deadline....has a rumored deal ever gone one this long? King is being played like a banjo...he's got to start pulling pieces from the deal as it drags on...if no deal buy 1/7/11 - no Favors just picks and expirings......this is awful"Every indicator seems to be showing that a trade for Carmelo Anthony is NOT imminent. Chris Dempsey of the Denver Post tweeted that there was no truth to the report that a three-team deal involving the Cavaliers almost went down last week. Chris Mannix of SI similarly quotes an "exec on team in Melo chase" as saying Denver is in "no rush".Al Iannazzone, quoting a "league source", adds that Anthony "isn't expected to change addresses in the near future" and notes that if Denver continues to dawdle into February, it "could get less from the Nets and other teams that have been trying since before the season to make a deal."

The rumor around Denver is that the front office wants to give the team a few weeks with the full roster, which hasn't played one game together yet.

Thats all well and good but doesnt mean King should accomodate them....King has been following around Melo offering everything.....its time to play hard to get. Maybe Nets wont be there in a few weeks.....maybe Favors will be off the table....I miss Thorn

I don't think its King making the push for Melo, I think its The Russian MC and he really wants the big name that Melo has. I do agree with you that the Nets need to get the Nuggets a deadline though, this waiting game is surely wearing on the Nets players and its letting the Nuggets completely control the situation.

I finally got to King? About time....crap or get off the pot....enjoy the garbage offers Denver (no offense Kev)Ken Berger, who has broken a number of stories on Carmelo Anthony this season, reports Friday that Nets officials are so tired of the "mixed signals" and "indecision" coming out of Denver that they're "'substantively' re-evaluating their pursuit" of Anthony and may simply walk away from trade talks."With trade demands that another executive described as 'too high and unrealistic,' the Nuggets run the risk of alienating the team that from the beginning had the most assets to offer -- starting with Derrick Favors, multiple first-round picks and the expiring contract of Troy Murphy," Berger writes.Nets' officials --presumably Billy King and Bobby Marks-- are increasingly frustrated with the talks and have grown "'sick of the whole charade,' according to one source and have 'backed away,' according to another."How unreasonable? Adrian Wojnarowski reports that in a larger, multi-team deal, the Nuggets want the Nets to give up five first round picks and Devin Harris...without getting a point guard back.

If that's true Denver deserves to get stiffed, that's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[LHUCKS]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

 

[Premier]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

 

[Kiddnets]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

 

[Kev4029]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Its useless, I've tried to make that point a half dozen times and it just doesn't make sense to some of these guys. Melo should absolutely fire his agent for putting him in this situation to begin with though. He could have signed the same contract that Lebron, Wade and Bosh did in 2006 or whatever it was and he could have been sitting happily with Amare making $135 million or whatever the max contract was playing on the worst defensive team in the History of the NBA.

 

[Kev4029]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

They have lots of leverage with the Nets, Melo isn't going there if the Nuggets don't trade him there, but the Nuggets are greatly over playing their hand with the Nets.

 

[Premier]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

Yes but if he becomes a free agent there's no way he signs with the Nets. He'll go to the Knicks, and make 30 million less. Then the Nets and Melo lose. The Nets shouldn't be ok with the core they have now. Nothing more than the upside of a 45-win team.

 

[Kiddnets]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

They have lots of leverage with the Nets, Melo isn't going there if the Nuggets don't trade him there, but the Nuggets are greatly over playing their hand with the Nets.

I completely disagree - they are looking at an offer of Favors, Murphy and 2 #1 picks, one of which will be a top 7 pick and they want more.....based on what? The closest offer I have seen is the Knicks which is way worse or a rent a team which wont give up anything much at all.....Denver is acting like they have leverage on the NEts but its all because of Proky's star obsession...I have been a Net fan and ticket holder for a long time and if I was the GM I would absolutely pull Favors out of the deal and tell them take it or leave it with Murphy and the picks.....if they dont want it fine - either way gotta get the upper hand back - as I have said previously I would rather let Favors develop, have a top 7 pick in 2011 with 3 picks in 2012 and 2 max contracts to spend if a player is available down the road....if Nets pull out Denver will be lucky to get expirings and 2 picks. Hence I dont see the leverage

 

[Kiddnets]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

Yes but if he becomes a free agent there's no way he signs with the Nets. He'll go to the Knicks, and make 30 million less. Then the Nets and Melo lose. The Nets shouldn't be ok with the core they have now. Nothing more than the upside of a 45-win team.

So be it....at least they'll be a 45 win team with a 19 yr old developing PF, lots of high picks and cap space rather than a 2d rd playoff team with no chance of winning the title

 

[oneohh]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

They have lots of leverage with the Nets, Melo isn't going there if the Nuggets don't trade him there, but the Nuggets are greatly over playing their hand with the Nets.

I completely disagree - they are looking at an offer of Favors, Murphy and 2 #1 picks, one of which will be a top 7 pick and they want more.....based on what? The closest offer I have seen is the Knicks which is way worse or a rent a team which wont give up anything much at all.....Denver is acting like they have leverage on the NEts but its all because of Proky's star obsession...I have been a Net fan and ticket holder for a long time and if I was the GM I would absolutely pull Favors out of the deal and tell them take it or leave it with Murphy and the picks.....if they dont want it fine - either way gotta get the upper hand back - as I have said previously I would rather let Favors develop, have a top 7 pick in 2011 with 3 picks in 2012 and 2 max contracts to spend if a player is available down the road....if Nets pull out Denver will be lucky to get expirings and 2 picks. Hence I dont see the leverage

 

[Kev4029]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

Thats leverage over Melo not the Nets who have the best offer by far....they are stringing it out and making ridiculous demands...Nets leave and they're stuck with Curry and a late pick.

They have lots of leverage with the Nets, Melo isn't going there if the Nuggets don't trade him there, but the Nuggets are greatly over playing their hand with the Nets.

I completely disagree - they are looking at an offer of Favors, Murphy and 2 #1 picks, one of which will be a top 7 pick and they want more.....based on what? The closest offer I have seen is the Knicks which is way worse or a rent a team which wont give up anything much at all.....Denver is acting like they have leverage on the NEts but its all because of Proky's star obsession...I have been a Net fan and ticket holder for a long time and if I was the GM I would absolutely pull Favors out of the deal and tell them take it or leave it with Murphy and the picks.....if they dont want it fine - either way gotta get the upper hand back - as I have said previously I would rather let Favors develop, have a top 7 pick in 2011 with 3 picks in 2012 and 2 max contracts to spend if a player is available down the road....if Nets pull out Denver will be lucky to get expirings and 2 picks. Hence I dont see the leverage

The Nuggets don't have as much leverage as they think, but if they didn't have any leverage with the Nets we wouldn't be having this conversation because Melo would be sitting beside Brook Lopez and Devin Harris. In the end Russian MC wants Melo for the star power and they are going to have to give up some talent to get him and they'll slightly over pay him because this might be their only chance to land a super star.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Nuggets don't have as much leverage as they think, but if they didn't have any leverage with the Nets we wouldn't be having this conversation because Melo would be sitting beside Brook Lopez and Devin Harris. In the end Russian MC wants Melo for the star power and they are going to have to give up some talent to get him and they'll slightly over pay him because this might be their only chance to land a super star.

Totally agree that the only leverage they have is Proky's star obsession - hopefully today is the start of a tougher NEts stance...no way they should be giving Favors in a deal for Melo....Nugs should have been all over that weeks if not months ago....gotta call them on it and pull Favors and offer Murphy and 2-3 picks...thats it - he's not the only superstar out there...they got Kidd and VC on the cheap....there is no precedent to overpay like this for Melo....they are moving into a brand new state of the art arena in Brooklyn in 2 years...stars will come....time to sack up Nets...give me the reigns!

 

[Premier]

You really don't think they should be giving up Favors for Melo? Shtick?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

You really don't think they should be giving up Favors for Melo? Shtick?

Not if they don't have to.

 

[simmonjm]

Even funnier than the Nuggets is the Rockets trade demands for Yao whose career could likely be over. They want a prospect, expiring, and pick.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Dirk should be the favorite to win MVP. JJ Barea should be the fav for LVP.

And Amare is so overrated, he certainly going to get MVP consideration, but he shouldn't.

No fishing, Amare' is so awful defensively and a below average rebounder that he shouldn't be an MVP candidate.

 

[Premier]

7 Magic players in double figures tonight, and an 8th with 9 points.

Toronto fans must want to kill Hedo.

 

[Routilla]

Go Spurs!!!

 

[saintfool]

Go Spurs!!!

they just keep chugging along, don't they? sweet!

 

[Steelfan7]

Dirk should be the favorite to win MVP. JJ Barea should be the fav for LVP.

And Amare is so overrated, he certainly going to get MVP consideration, but he shouldn't.

No fishing, Amare' is so awful defensively and a below average rebounder that he shouldn't be an MVP candidate.

Amare' will never be confused with Rodman or Ben Wallace on the defensive end, but he is averaging 9 boards and over 2 blocks per game. That is not the description of an awful defender. Also considering the impact he has had on the Knicks turn around season this year and he easily should be in the conversation for MVP. Also remember that Steve Nash is a former MVP and he is horrendous on defense.

 

[oneohh]

Go Spurs!!!

they just keep chugging along, don't they? sweet!

I must have been drunker than I thought last night. I woke up thinking they lost. And I watched the game (DVR). Weird.

 

[oneohh]

Dirk should be the favorite to win MVP. JJ Barea should be the fav for LVP.

And Amare is so overrated, he certainly going to get MVP consideration, but he shouldn't.

No fishing, Amare' is so awful defensively and a below average rebounder that he shouldn't be an MVP candidate.

Amare' will never be confused with Rodman or Ben Wallace on the defensive end, but he is averaging 9 boards and over 2 blocks per game. That is not the description of an awful defender. Also considering the impact he has had on the Knicks turn around season this year and he easily should be in the conversation for MVP. Also remember that Steve Nash is a former MVP and he is horrendous on defense.

Also remember that many times, the MVP award isn't an indicator of the best season or the best player or the most valuable player for a given team.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Dirk should be the favorite to win MVP. JJ Barea should be the fav for LVP.

And Amare is so overrated, he certainly going to get MVP consideration, but he shouldn't.

No fishing, Amare' is so awful defensively and a below average rebounder that he shouldn't be an MVP candidate.

Amare' will never be confused with Rodman or Ben Wallace on the defensive end, but he is averaging 9 boards and over 2 blocks per game. That is not the description of an awful defender. Also considering the impact he has had on the Knicks turn around season this year and he easily should be in the conversation for MVP. Also remember that Steve Nash is a former MVP and he is horrendous on defense.

Blocks and rebounds don't make a player a good defender.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I remember being laughed at for saying LeBron had no help in Cleveland. Good times.

The Heat are on pace to match the Cavs record last year. So either he still has no help or he has gotten much worse as a player.

Weren't you one of the ones who said the Cavs would still be a 40+ wins team with LBJ? Yeah, how's that working out?

 

[Steelfan7]

Dirk should be the favorite to win MVP. JJ Barea should be the fav for LVP.

And Amare is so overrated, he certainly going to get MVP consideration, but he shouldn't.

No fishing, Amare' is so awful defensively and a below average rebounder that he shouldn't be an MVP candidate.

Amare' will never be confused with Rodman or Ben Wallace on the defensive end, but he is averaging 9 boards and over 2 blocks per game. That is not the description of an awful defender. Also considering the impact he has had on the Knicks turn around season this year and he easily should be in the conversation for MVP. Also remember that Steve Nash is a former MVP and he is horrendous on defense.

Blocks and rebounds don't make a player a good defender.

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

I remember being laughed at for saying LeBron had no help in Cleveland. Good times.

The Heat are on pace to match the Cavs record last year. So either he still has no help or he has gotten much worse as a player.

Weren't you one of the ones who said the Cavs would still be a 40+ wins team with LBJ? Yeah, how's that working out?

I doubt it. I thought LeBron should go to the Nets for the very reason he wouldn't have have had a longterm contending supporting cast in 2011 with the Cavs and beyond. That's answering a very different question than he had no help in 2008-2010.

 

[Kiddnets]

You really don't think they should be giving up Favors for Melo? Shtick?

Not if they don't have to.

Exactly - they are offering a big expiring - likely top5-7 pick next year and 1 or 2 more solid picks in 2012.....IMO that is better than anything else I have heard...to throw in the #3 overall pick that looks like a young devloping Howard type player is way too much - look at the past on stars leaving for greener pastures - Nets are overpaying as it is and Denver is balking...time to pull Favors out of the deal and let them panic. Melo not turning this bunch into a top 4 team.

 

[Kev4029]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

But he gets 9 a game so he must be good.

 

[Steelfan7]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

You're making my point in stating Amare' is playing out of position at Center, but still getting 9 boards/gm. Fields and Chandler have been rebounding pretty good. I'm not saying he is the MVP, but Amare' easily should be in consideration when talking about MVP.

 

[oneohh]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

You're making my point in stating Amare' is playing out of position at Center, but still getting 9 boards/gm. Fields and Chandler have been rebounding pretty good. I'm not saying he is the MVP, but Amare' easily should be in consideration when talking about MVP.

Absolutely in consideration. Along with at least ten other players.

 

[Steelfan7]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

But he gets 9 a game so he must be good.

Go Raptors

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

But he gets 9 a game so he must be good.

Go Raptors

Good one

 

[Kev4029]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

You're making my point in stating Amare' is playing out of position at Center, but still getting 9 boards/gm. Fields and Chandler have been rebounding pretty good. I'm not saying he is the MVP, but Amare' easily should be in consideration when talking about MVP.

Statistically he is an average rebounder for a power forward, but hes playing center 20+ minutes a game so he is sitting next to the hoop on defense covering a center most the game, that alone should raise his rebound rate. The fact that he plays nearly the entire game next to Mosgov, Turiaf and Gallinari should raise his rebound rate because they are that terrible rebounding the ball. If he had a legit center, lets just say Camby because he's been rumored to be a possibility, next to him his rebound rate of 13 would shrink to 10 or 11 making him one of the worst rebounding big men in the NBA. The reason he shouldn't play center isn't because he doesn't have the size (he is as big if not bigger than probably half of NBA starting centers) its because he is a horrible defender and can't rebound against NBA centers.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

You're making my point in stating Amare' is playing out of position at Center, but still getting 9 boards/gm. Fields and Chandler have been rebounding pretty good. I'm not saying he is the MVP, but Amare' easily should be in consideration when talking about MVP.

Statistically he is an average rebounder for a power forward, but hes playing center 20+ minutes a game so he is sitting next to the hoop on defense covering a center most the game, that alone should raise his rebound rate. The fact that he plays nearly the entire game next to Mosgov, Turiaf and Gallinari should raise his rebound rate because they are that terrible rebounding the ball. If he had a legit center, lets just say Camby because he's been rumored to be a possibility, next to him his rebound rate of 13 would shrink to 10 or 11 making him one of the worst rebounding big men in the NBA. The reason he shouldn't play center isn't because he doesn't have the size (he is as big if not bigger than probably half of NBA starting centers) its because he is a horrible defender and can't rebound against NBA centers.

Go Nuggets

 

[Sammy3469]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

You're making my point in stating Amare' is playing out of position at Center, but still getting 9 boards/gm. Fields and Chandler have been rebounding pretty good. I'm not saying he is the MVP, but Amare' easily should be in consideration when talking about MVP.

Statistically he is an average rebounder for a power forward, but hes playing center 20+ minutes a game so he is sitting next to the hoop on defense covering a center most the game, that alone should raise his rebound rate. The fact that he plays nearly the entire game next to Mosgov, Turiaf and Gallinari should raise his rebound rate because they are that terrible rebounding the ball. If he had a legit center, lets just say Camby because he's been rumored to be a possibility, next to him his rebound rate of 13 would shrink to 10 or 11 making him one of the worst rebounding big men in the NBA. The reason he shouldn't play center isn't because he doesn't have the size (he is as big if not bigger than probably half of NBA starting centers) its because he is a horrible defender and can't rebound against NBA centers.

While all true...since he's their only true bigman, Knicks opponents also love to make him defend the pick and roll which moves him from under the basket. That generally keeps him out of position for rebounds but sets him up for blocks when he's scrambling back to the lane.

 

[Kev4029]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

You're making my point in stating Amare' is playing out of position at Center, but still getting 9 boards/gm. Fields and Chandler have been rebounding pretty good. I'm not saying he is the MVP, but Amare' easily should be in consideration when talking about MVP.

Statistically he is an average rebounder for a power forward, but hes playing center 20+ minutes a game so he is sitting next to the hoop on defense covering a center most the game, that alone should raise his rebound rate. The fact that he plays nearly the entire game next to Mosgov, Turiaf and Gallinari should raise his rebound rate because they are that terrible rebounding the ball. If he had a legit center, lets just say Camby because he's been rumored to be a possibility, next to him his rebound rate of 13 would shrink to 10 or 11 making him one of the worst rebounding big men in the NBA. The reason he shouldn't play center isn't because he doesn't have the size (he is as big if not bigger than probably half of NBA starting centers) its because he is a horrible defender and can't rebound against NBA centers.

While all true...since he's their only true bigman, Knicks opponents also love to make him defend the pick and roll which moves him from under the basket. That generally keeps him out of position for rebounds but sets him up for blocks when he's scrambling back to the lane.

All big men have to cover the pick and roll, the fact that hes terrible at it isn't helping SF7's case.

 

[simmonjm]

I've never stated that rebounds defines whether a player is good or bad on defense. David Lee is case and point. VOR stated that Amare' is a below avg rebounder and that is an inaccurate statement to make. Getting over 2 blocks a game does not mean a player is awful on defense.

In rebound rate he is 34th in the league as a PF, but according to 82games he plays center twice as many minutes as he plays PF and he would be 38th in rebound rate out of 63 centers. Its not like hes fighting anybody for rebounds either, Turiaf is the worst center rebounder in the league, Danillo is the 2nd worst PF rebounder in the league and Mosgov is pretty terrible in his own right.

Wilson Chandler is typically the PF and Gallo plays the role of SF. Stoudemire faces a unique challenge on defense as he is the ONLY big man the Knicks have and if he gets into foul trouble the Knicks lose regardless of who they are playing. You also failed to include that Landry Fields is the BEST rebouding guard in the entire league. No Knicks fans are delusional enough to believe that Amare is a great or even good defender but he always seems to find a way to win games and leads the league in 4th quarter scoring. Make no doubt about the Knicks would be at least 10 games under .500 if Amare was not playing. That at least places him in the discussion for MVP.

 

[biggamer3]

Kev, as a an ardent Knicks fan, i have realized Amare doesnt rebound nearly as well as i thought he did. He does let other players get rather easy offensive boards, case in point Ilgauskis first quarter two games ago and Howard last night. I even DVR'd it and a few Howard rebounds on the offensive were very easy Amare boards if he was boxing out normally.

But that being said, without him the Knicks probably dont have more then 9 wins now, so i can live with the non rebounds

 

[Kev4029]

Kev, as a an ardent Knicks fan, i have realized Amare doesnt rebound nearly as well as i thought he did. He does let other players get rather easy offensive boards, case in point Ilgauskis first quarter two games ago and Howard last night. I even DVR'd it and a few Howard rebounds on the offensive were very easy Amare boards if he was boxing out normally.But that being said, without him the Knicks probably dont have more then 9 wins now, so i can live with the non rebounds

Hes definitely been huge for them, I don't think anybody in their right mind would argue that. The Knicks have two other players who have proven to be huge upgrades in Fields and Felton over last year, and I think that those guys aren't getting enough credit and Amare is getting too much credit.

 

[simmonjm]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

I have a hard time believing that Melo will get paid millions less than other superstars with the new CBA. I realize that the possiblity exists but I dont think it will come to fruition. Something to consider regarding the Nuggets and Nets, the Nuggets should be in no hurry to trade Melo because as the Nets continue to lose games the pick gets better, if Melo was to go to NJ they probably start playing at least .500 ball and the pick loses value.

 

[Premier]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage.

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

I have a hard time believing that Melo will get paid millions less than other superstars with the new CBA. I realize that the possiblity exists but I dont think it will come to fruition. Something to consider regarding the Nuggets and Nets, the Nuggets should be in no hurry to trade Melo because as the Nets continue to lose games the pick gets better, if Melo was to go to NJ they probably start playing at least .500 ball and the pick loses value.

The cap is going down. He's going to lose a ton of money.

 

[Premier]

Lot of mega-homer statements on this page. Favors is the next Dwight Howard and Amare is a serious MVP candidate.

 

[Sammy3469]

Gotta love how the Nuggets are frontin like they actually have some sort of leverage. :(

They have quite a bit of leverage. Melo is set to lose tens of millions of dollars if he doesn't get this extension signed before the year ends or effectively, the trade deadline.

I have a hard time believing that Melo will get paid millions less than other superstars with the new CBA. I realize that the possiblity exists but I dont think it will come to fruition. Something to consider regarding the Nuggets and Nets, the Nuggets should be in no hurry to trade Melo because as the Nets continue to lose games the pick gets better, if Melo was to go to NJ they probably start playing at least .500 ball and the pick loses value.

The cap is going down. He's going to lose a ton of money.

Depends how they do it. I know its been floated around that whatever percentage they reduce the cap by will result in everyone who is signed having their contracts reduced by the same percentage, so it really wouldn't matter when he signs his extension.

 

[simmonjm]

Lot of mega-homer statements on this page. Favors is the next Dwight Howard and Amare is a serious MVP candidate. :(

Wilson Chandler is typically the PF and Gallo plays the role of SF. Stoudemire faces a unique challenge on defense as he is the ONLY big man the Knicks have and if he gets into foul trouble the Knicks lose regardless of who they are playing. You also failed to include that Landry Fields is the BEST rebouding guard in the entire league. No Knicks fans are delusional enough to believe that Amare is a great or even good defender but he always seems to find a way to win games and leads the league in 4th quarter scoring. Make no doubt about the Knicks would be at least 10 games under .500 if Amare was not playing. That at least places him in the discussion for MVP.

 

[Courtjester]

Another Homer ringing in here:

I agree with bits and pieces of what people are saying about Melo, but the fact are:

1) If he doesn't get traded and he plays out the year, he loses money--how much is yet to be seen. I can't see him taking this chance.

2) Denver has leverage and they are slow rolling this right now to see if Melo starts to believe he is going to lose waay too much money AND to see if the Nets go crazy and up the offer. Plus (as pointed out earlier) with the Nets losing games, that pick get more and more attractive. The Nets need a face to that franchise to sell tickets and with the new stadium on the horizon, he is the perfect fit.

3) He is gone either way and I want the fire sale to begin now. This team is sitting at 6th or 7th place right now in the West. Martin and his bloated deal comes off the books at the end of the year and the Nuggets would be smart to trade JR for a draft pick to a title contender looking for someone to score off the bench.

Load up on picks, start over, follow the OKC model and build it right. We, as the fans, have sat through many terrible years before, we can do it again.

 

[LHUCKS]

If I was Melo I would take less money and play with the Knicks...which is what I think he wants to do.

Denver homers are are overestimating the money factor.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If I was Melo I would take less money and play with the Knicks...which is what I think he wants to do.Denver homers are are overestimating the money factor.

Less money and pay more taxes? Sounds like a winning combination to me. Of course, it is Melo...