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And I think Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA. Hes had a TS% of 50.3, 51.7 and 53.6 the last three years, plays no defense, doesn't rebound and is overpaid ($11M/yr if I remember right). There are plenty of guys in the NBA that could average 24 ppg if they were allowed to shot the ball over 20 times a game while offering nothing else to the basketball team.
I don't disagree with you. But unless GS is dying to get out of his contract, I don't imagine they'd trade him for a player like Rubio.
This isn't going to happen because the Wolves won't get Kyrie, but I think the Warriors would be very interested in that deal. The contracts don't work though, so I think you'd need about $7M more worth of stuff from MN. Which means probably Martell Webster and maybe Anthony Tolliver?
 
Re tre's post.

I'd think the rockets are looking at the lithuainian. Or, looking to get Kanter for the cavs at two then sliding back to 4 to get the Lithuanian. I could see Houston adding Jamison the reason to move from two to four. Then again, morey has made it clear they can't win without a star, so maybe they want Williams.
When has he proven they can win with a star?
 
And I think Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA. Hes had a TS% of 50.3, 51.7 and 53.6 the last three years, plays no defense, doesn't rebound and is overpaid ($11M/yr if I remember right). There are plenty of guys in the NBA that could average 24 ppg if they were allowed to shot the ball over 20 times a game while offering nothing else to the basketball team.
I don't disagree with you. But unless GS is dying to get out of his contract, I don't imagine they'd trade him for a player like Rubio.
They aren't, and they won't. I think it'd have to be a pretty good deal to get Ellis.People over-rely on efficiency numbers. The reality of basketball is this: you don't get a quality, high-percentage chance on every possession. Sometimes your set falls apart, and you've gotta hand it to your best scorer with 5 seconds on the clock and let him try to make something happen. For GS, that guy is Ellis.He doesn't play much defense, and he's not a good fit with Curry, but at the same time, he's also not worth giving away a guy who's just as small and who has trouble scoring in Spain.
 
And I think Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA. Hes had a TS% of 50.3, 51.7 and 53.6 the last three years, plays no defense, doesn't rebound and is overpaid ($11M/yr if I remember right). There are plenty of guys in the NBA that could average 24 ppg if they were allowed to shot the ball over 20 times a game while offering nothing else to the basketball team.
I don't disagree with you. But unless GS is dying to get out of his contract, I don't imagine they'd trade him for a player like Rubio.
This isn't going to happen because the Wolves won't get Kyrie, but I think the Warriors would be very interested in that deal. The contracts don't work though, so I think you'd need about $7M more worth of stuff from MN. Which means probably Martell Webster and maybe Anthony Tolliver?
I'm not sure how trades work with the salary cap in June (this year's cap numbers or last years?) but if its using next years salaries, Minnesota is only at $47M, so they could probably just throw in Flynn or something to cover the extra $4M for the #2 pick cap hold.
 
David Locke: Being told Kings not picking at 7 but also hearing that Bradon Knight is going to still be on board at 7 - makes 7 very interesting about 14 minutes ago
Adrian Wojnarowski: Kings have made it privately clear that they expect to trade 7th pick, sources say. "They're confident they have deal," one official says. about 19 minutes ago
David Locke: Just heard Chris Singelton's name at 9 and the Biyombo at 5 may be real. about 16 minutes ago
 
Here's my mock draft for a pool I'm entering if you'd like to shred it (suggestions/mockery welcomed):

Pick (overall) Team Player1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF 3 (3) Utah Jazz Enes Kanter, C 4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas, C5 (5) Toronto Raptors Bismack Biyombo, C6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF7 (7) Sacramento Kings Brandon Knight, PG8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kawhi Leonard, SF9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats Tristan Thompson, PF10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG13 (13) Phoenix Suns Marcus Morris, F14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF15 (15) Indiana Pacers Marshon Brooks, SG16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C17 (17) New York Knicks Kemba Walker, PG18 (18) Washington Wizards Donatas Motiejunas, PF19 (19) Charlotte Bobcats Iman Shumpert, PG20 (20) Minnesota Timberwolves Jordan Hamilton, SG21 (21) Portland Trail Blazers Kenneth Faried, PF22 (22) Denver Nuggets Markieff Morris, PF23 (23) Houston Rockets Justin Harper, PF24 (24) Oklahoma City Thunder Jimmy Butler, G/F25 (25) Boston Celtics Reggie Jackson, PG26 (26) Dallas Mavericks Davis Bertans, SF27 (27) New Jersey Nets Tobias Harris, F28 (28) Chicago Bulls Tyler Honeycutt, SF29 (29) San Antonio Spurs Jeremy Tyler, C30 (30) Chicago Bulls Charles Jenkins, G
 
And I think Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA. Hes had a TS% of 50.3, 51.7 and 53.6 the last three years, plays no defense, doesn't rebound and is overpaid ($11M/yr if I remember right). There are plenty of guys in the NBA that could average 24 ppg if they were allowed to shot the ball over 20 times a game while offering nothing else to the basketball team.
I don't disagree with you. But unless GS is dying to get out of his contract, I don't imagine they'd trade him for a player like Rubio.
They aren't, and they won't. I think it'd have to be a pretty good deal to get Ellis.People over-rely on efficiency numbers. The reality of basketball is this: you don't get a quality, high-percentage chance on every possession. Sometimes your set falls apart, and you've gotta hand it to your best scorer with 5 seconds on the clock and let him try to make something happen. For GS, that guy is Ellis.He doesn't play much defense, and he's not a good fit with Curry, but at the same time, he's also not worth giving away a guy who's just as small and who has trouble scoring in Spain.
There are probably 50 guys in the NBA that could score 24 ppg if they got 40 mpg and their coach said "#### it, go out and shoot to your hearts desire". Monta Ellis took the most shots per game in the NBA and was 8th in scoring. Ellis is exceptional at finding his own shot, and can probably do it as well as anybody outside of a small handful of players, but often times the shots he finds are either poor shots, or hes just not as good of a shooter as he thinks he is. Throw a guy like JR Smith (or James Harden or Lou Williams or Rodney Stuckey...) in Ellis' role and they would score at least as well as Ellis does.
 
Here's my mock draft for a pool I'm entering if you'd like to shred it (suggestions/mockery welcomed):

Pick (overall) Team Player1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF 3 (3) Utah Jazz Enes Kanter, C 4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas, C5 (5) Toronto Raptors Bismack Biyombo, C6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF7 (7) Sacramento Kings Brandon Knight, PG8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kawhi Leonard, SF9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats Tristan Thompson, PF10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG13 (13) Phoenix Suns Marcus Morris, F14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF15 (15) Indiana Pacers Marshon Brooks, SG16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C17 (17) New York Knicks Kemba Walker, PG18 (18) Washington Wizards Donatas Motiejunas, PF19 (19) Charlotte Bobcats Iman Shumpert, PG20 (20) Minnesota Timberwolves Jordan Hamilton, SG21 (21) Portland Trail Blazers Kenneth Faried, PF22 (22) Denver Nuggets Markieff Morris, PF23 (23) Houston Rockets Justin Harper, PF24 (24) Oklahoma City Thunder Jimmy Butler, G/F25 (25) Boston Celtics Reggie Jackson, PG26 (26) Dallas Mavericks Davis Bertans, SF27 (27) New Jersey Nets Tobias Harris, F28 (28) Chicago Bulls Tyler Honeycutt, SF29 (29) San Antonio Spurs Jeremy Tyler, C30 (30) Chicago Bulls Charles Jenkins, G
Fantastic mock - best ive seen. Unorthodox, but with a lot of interesting fits.
 
Here's my mock draft for a pool I'm entering if you'd like to shred it (suggestions/mockery welcomed):

Pick (overall) Team Player1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF 3 (3) Utah Jazz Enes Kanter, C 4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas, C5 (5) Toronto Raptors Bismack Biyombo, C6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF7 (7) Sacramento Kings Brandon Knight, PG8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kawhi Leonard, SF9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats Tristan Thompson, PF10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG13 (13) Phoenix Suns Marcus Morris, F14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF15 (15) Indiana Pacers Marshon Brooks, SG16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C17 (17) New York Knicks Kemba Walker, PG18 (18) Washington Wizards Donatas Motiejunas, PF19 (19) Charlotte Bobcats Iman Shumpert, PG20 (20) Minnesota Timberwolves Jordan Hamilton, SG21 (21) Portland Trail Blazers Kenneth Faried, PF22 (22) Denver Nuggets Markieff Morris, PF23 (23) Houston Rockets Justin Harper, PF24 (24) Oklahoma City Thunder Jimmy Butler, G/F25 (25) Boston Celtics Reggie Jackson, PG26 (26) Dallas Mavericks Davis Bertans, SF27 (27) New Jersey Nets Tobias Harris, F28 (28) Chicago Bulls Tyler Honeycutt, SF29 (29) San Antonio Spurs Jeremy Tyler, C30 (30) Chicago Bulls Charles Jenkins, G
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
 
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
That's probably the trickiest part of this draft. I've read a few different takes now. There seems to be a lot of buzz surrounding Biyombo and the Raptors, so that's what I have at this point.Edit: Figuring out where Biyombo goes seems to be key.
 
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Here's my mock draft for a pool I'm entering if you'd like to shred it (suggestions/mockery welcomed):

Pick (overall) Team Player1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF 3 (3) Utah Jazz Enes Kanter, C 4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas, C5 (5) Toronto Raptors Bismack Biyombo, C6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF7 (7) Sacramento Kings Brandon Knight, PG8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kawhi Leonard, SF9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats Tristan Thompson, PF10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG13 (13) Phoenix Suns Marcus Morris, F14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF15 (15) Indiana Pacers Marshon Brooks, SG16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C17 (17) New York Knicks Kemba Walker, PG18 (18) Washington Wizards Donatas Motiejunas, PF19 (19) Charlotte Bobcats Iman Shumpert, PG20 (20) Minnesota Timberwolves Jordan Hamilton, SG21 (21) Portland Trail Blazers Kenneth Faried, PF22 (22) Denver Nuggets Markieff Morris, PF23 (23) Houston Rockets Justin Harper, PF24 (24) Oklahoma City Thunder Jimmy Butler, G/F25 (25) Boston Celtics Reggie Jackson, PG26 (26) Dallas Mavericks Davis Bertans, SF27 (27) New Jersey Nets Tobias Harris, F28 (28) Chicago Bulls Tyler Honeycutt, SF29 (29) San Antonio Spurs Jeremy Tyler, C30 (30) Chicago Bulls Charles Jenkins, G
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
theyve already got two talented PGs who dont know how to play the position. theyre really focused on this African kid as a way of getting tougher inside.
 
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Here's my mock draft for a pool I'm entering if you'd like to shred it (suggestions/mockery welcomed):

Pick (overall) Team Player1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF 3 (3) Utah Jazz Enes Kanter, C 4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas, C5 (5) Toronto Raptors Bismack Biyombo, C6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF7 (7) Sacramento Kings Brandon Knight, PG8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kawhi Leonard, SF9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats Tristan Thompson, PF10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG13 (13) Phoenix Suns Marcus Morris, F14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF15 (15) Indiana Pacers Marshon Brooks, SG16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C17 (17) New York Knicks Kemba Walker, PG18 (18) Washington Wizards Donatas Motiejunas, PF19 (19) Charlotte Bobcats Iman Shumpert, PG20 (20) Minnesota Timberwolves Jordan Hamilton, SG21 (21) Portland Trail Blazers Kenneth Faried, PF22 (22) Denver Nuggets Markieff Morris, PF23 (23) Houston Rockets Justin Harper, PF24 (24) Oklahoma City Thunder Jimmy Butler, G/F25 (25) Boston Celtics Reggie Jackson, PG26 (26) Dallas Mavericks Davis Bertans, SF27 (27) New Jersey Nets Tobias Harris, F28 (28) Chicago Bulls Tyler Honeycutt, SF29 (29) San Antonio Spurs Jeremy Tyler, C30 (30) Chicago Bulls Charles Jenkins, G
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
Good mock! I'm thinking Kemba will fall also although I'm not so sure he should. Everybody keeps questioning his size. They're have been plenty of solid guards around his height.
 
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
That's probably the trickiest part of this draft. I've read a few different takes now. There seems to be a lot of buzz surrounding Biyombo and the Raptors, so that's what I have at this point.Edit: Figuring out where Biyombo goes seems to be key.
If anything I think the raps seem to be over advertising their desire to grab Biyombo. I suspect its a ploy so no one trades up ahead of them to grab Knight. :tinfoilhat:
 
Scott Howard-Cooper: Bucks and Bobcats in serious talks in major deal w/ picks and vets, per Rick Bonnell of Charlotte Observer. CLT may end up w/ 2 lotto picks
Adrian Wojnarowski: It is 3:45 p.m., on draft day, and Kyrie Irving still hasn't been told by the Cavaliers that they plan to choose him with the No. 1 pick. about 20 minutes ago
Alan Hahn: If the Kings trade that No. 7 to the Spurs, as previously reported by @Adrian Wojnarowski, that blows up the selection order for sure
Jonathan Givony: Teams calling Sacramento about the #7 pick are being told it's already been moved. Problem is, no one knows to who, or for which player.
 
Here's my mock draft for a pool I'm entering if you'd like to shred it (suggestions/mockery welcomed):

Pick (overall) Team Player1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF 3 (3) Utah Jazz Enes Kanter, C 4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas, C5 (5) Toronto Raptors Bismack Biyombo, C6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF7 (7) Sacramento Kings Brandon Knight, PG8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kawhi Leonard, SF9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats Tristan Thompson, PF10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG13 (13) Phoenix Suns Marcus Morris, F14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF15 (15) Indiana Pacers Marshon Brooks, SG16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C17 (17) New York Knicks Kemba Walker, PG18 (18) Washington Wizards Donatas Motiejunas, PF19 (19) Charlotte Bobcats Iman Shumpert, PG20 (20) Minnesota Timberwolves Jordan Hamilton, SG21 (21) Portland Trail Blazers Kenneth Faried, PF22 (22) Denver Nuggets Markieff Morris, PF23 (23) Houston Rockets Justin Harper, PF24 (24) Oklahoma City Thunder Jimmy Butler, G/F25 (25) Boston Celtics Reggie Jackson, PG26 (26) Dallas Mavericks Davis Bertans, SF27 (27) New Jersey Nets Tobias Harris, F28 (28) Chicago Bulls Tyler Honeycutt, SF29 (29) San Antonio Spurs Jeremy Tyler, C30 (30) Chicago Bulls Charles Jenkins, G
Fantastic mock - best ive seen. Unorthodox, but with a lot of interesting fits.
Would be ecstatic with Kemba at 17 to Knicks but if he doesnt go to Det at 7 he will be taken in early teens.Bismack is dropping, should go in the 10-15 range
 
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
That's probably the trickiest part of this draft. I've read a few different takes now. There seems to be a lot of buzz surrounding Biyombo and the Raptors, so that's what I have at this point.Edit: Figuring out where Biyombo goes seems to be key.
If anything I think the raps seem to be over advertising their desire to grab Biyombo. I suspect its a ploy so no one trades up ahead of them to grab Knight. :tinfoilhat:
Not sure what to hope for as a Raptors fan. Biyombo would be another undersized PF/C to play beside Bargnani, Davis and Johnson. As much as I like Calderon, he is such a defensive liability that for the team to ever improve on D they need to get rid of him. If they draft Knight, I'd have to think that they'll unload Calderon asap and let Knight/Bayless carry the PG role. Would Calderon fetch anything decent in a trade? If they took Knight, they'd need a center or a SF.
 
Here is my attempt at it, there will be spots dealt but obviously only a fool will attempt to predict those:

Pick (overall) Team Player

1 (1) Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving, PG

2 (2) Minnesota Timberwolves Derrick Williams, PF

3 (3) Utah Jazz C Brandon Knight, PG

4 (4) Cleveland Cavaliers Enes Kanter,

5 (5) Toronto Raptors Jonas Valanciunas,

6 (6) Washington Wizards Jan Vesely, SF

7 (7) Sacramento Kings Tristan Thompson, PG

8 (8) Detroit Pistons Kemba Walker

9 (9) Charlotte Bobcats CBismack Biyombo, C

10 (10) Milwaukee Bucks Klay Thompson, SG

11 (11) Golden State Warriors Alec Burks, G

12 (12) Utah Jazz Jimmer Fredette, PG

13 (13) Phoenix Suns Kawhi Leonard, SF PF

14 (14) Houston Rockets Chris Singleton, SF

15 (15) Indiana Pacers PF Marcus Morris,

16 (16) Philadelphia 76ers Nikola Vucevic, C

17 (17) New York Knicks F Marshon Brooks, SG

 
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
That's probably the trickiest part of this draft. I've read a few different takes now. There seems to be a lot of buzz surrounding Biyombo and the Raptors, so that's what I have at this point.Edit: Figuring out where Biyombo goes seems to be key.
If anything I think the raps seem to be over advertising their desire to grab Biyombo. I suspect its a ploy so no one trades up ahead of them to grab Knight. :tinfoilhat:
Not sure what to hope for as a Raptors fan. Biyombo would be another undersized PF/C to play beside Bargnani, Davis and Johnson. As much as I like Calderon, he is such a defensive liability that for the team to ever improve on D they need to get rid of him. If they draft Knight, I'd have to think that they'll unload Calderon asap and let Knight/Bayless carry the PG role. Would Calderon fetch anything decent in a trade? If they took Knight, they'd need a center or a SF.
Isn't Davis a 6'10" 215 lb PF? Not exactly undersized...
 
You think the raps pass on Knight if he is there?
That's probably the trickiest part of this draft. I've read a few different takes now. There seems to be a lot of buzz surrounding Biyombo and the Raptors, so that's what I have at this point.Edit: Figuring out where Biyombo goes seems to be key.
If anything I think the raps seem to be over advertising their desire to grab Biyombo. I suspect its a ploy so no one trades up ahead of them to grab Knight. :tinfoilhat:
Not sure what to hope for as a Raptors fan. Biyombo would be another undersized PF/C to play beside Bargnani, Davis and Johnson. As much as I like Calderon, he is such a defensive liability that for the team to ever improve on D they need to get rid of him. If they draft Knight, I'd have to think that they'll unload Calderon asap and let Knight/Bayless carry the PG role. Would Calderon fetch anything decent in a trade? If they took Knight, they'd need a center or a SF.
Isn't Davis a 6'10" 215 lb PF? Not exactly undersized...
They have a collection of good sized PF's would become undersized when they are forced to play center because there is no center on the team.
 
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

Partial of deal: The Bucks get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, sources say. Charlotte gets the 7th pick and Corey Maggette.

 
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Milwaukee has a three-way deal with Charlotte and Sacramento, sources say.
Partial of deal: The Bucks get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, sources say. Charlotte gets the 7th pick and Corey Maggette....Milwaukee's 10th overall pick goes to the Kings, source says.
No idea what the Kings are getting to trade down. Have trouble imagining what they'd even want from those two teams. :mellow:
 
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Justin Rogers: Reports suggested the Bobcats really wanted Tristan Thompson, now that they are at seven, that means Pistons probably won't get him. 2 minutes ago

 
chadfordinsider Chad Ford

Deal: Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson 9 & 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons.

 
Justin Rogers: Reports suggested the Bobcats really wanted Tristan Thompson, now that they are at seven, that means Pistons probably won't get him. 2 minutes ago
Pretty sure that Cho is a numbers :nerd: and TT tests out very high in that regard, so makes sense.Rothstein on Twitter says that Kemba has a guarantee somewhere between 5 and 10.
 
chadfordinsider Chad FordDeal: Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson 9 & 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons.
So the Kings are taking on money, trading down, and giving away the only thing resembling a PG on the roster? Fantastic move.edit:
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski Here's one thing I'm double checking again: Salmons' inclusion in the deal. Hold tight. Getting conflicting info from sources on him
Makes a lot more sense if they are merely unloading Beno's deal and not taking on Salmons.
 
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