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Yeah, but I am not sure Marc is a good fit for you guys and you will have to give him neam max money and he is obviously not worth it. If Cousins can make the leap this year, and by leap I mean get mentally tougher, then he will be an absolute stud. I didnt watch many Kings games, but when i did he looked amazing.I think you guys need a competent PG really to feed Tyreke, Jimmer and Cousins the ball. A guy like Andre Miller or Ray Felton would have been ideal IMO
Right, so the full mid-level will likely not be used. Hopefully one of the unrestricted FAs will be willing to sign for cheap or on a short contract since it's such a perfect situation for a SG. Again, though, I don't have my hopes up.'boubucarow said:
Heisley will not let gasol go.He will match for Gasol.He has stated this.He loves the core they have.Maybe if they offered Gasol some ridiculous price, it would make him reconsider but, I heard Heisley on the radio today and he sounds set on resigning Gasol in Memphis.'biggamer3 said:
Chris Paul, Randy Foye, Trevor Ariza, Blake Griffin, Chris Kaman?Meh
Sounds like they're in on Tayshaun too.Paul, Ariza, Tayshaun, Griffin, Kaman?
LOLOL Right after I posted this, new CP3 to NY rumors became somewhat more official since his agent told Hornets he only wants NY!oh my, this will be a crazy yearhttp://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArlRuyHbn38vRr3BXbQoyFa8vLYF?slug=ys-chris_paul_hornets_knicks_nba_trade_120111
They have none, hence why I feel all this is a waste of time. If he wanted to come to NY as a FA he should have quietly told Hornets front office he would do that and they could deal him as a rental for one year to another team.There is ZERO chance the Hornets make a trade with the Knicks unless they somehow value Tony Douglas, Shumpert and Landry Fields as anything, because they can get all those 3 at most. Knicks CANT trade any more first rounders for 6 years so that makes that part of a deal moot.
Someone explain to me how involving a 3rd team could make a difference.
Only way I can see is if there is a team that is only interested in $18M in expiring contracts (Billups/Balkman).
Another example of why I was 100% on the owners side. I love watching these guys play but man are they idiots.
Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want Knicks fans to be making sense in here. If you guys start thinking straight we'll only have Jmon to laugh at.
Some team in "lets shed contracts mode" like Milwaukee for example can toss the Knicks a few bad contracts like Gooden and Mcgette for Billups expiring and all the Knicks youngsters like Fields, Tony and Shump, and then they give the Hornets Jennings or something. No clue but something along these lines is the only way this is even feasible for a second
Yeah, in my head there were two separate questions: (1) what do the players deserve; and (2) what is best for the health of the game? Unfortunately, as I am just now starting to figure out, these two questions can't possibly be separated. Chris Paul has every right to play wherever he wants and make as much money as he's worth (which he still won't). However, it makes the NBA a lot worse if he's allowed to do it. Plus there's the fact that he's doing it in the dooshiest way imaginable, but that's neither here nor there.Honestly I think the baseball model is the best and fairest. No individual or team caps, but teams maintain control over drafted players for a really really long time (with players gaining arbitration eligibility after a few years of service to ensure that they're paid semi-fairly), and teams that lose highly rated players in free agency are compensated for their loss with draft picks.
Then that third team would be shedding a bad long term contract to gain the advantage of expirings. In that case, the Hornets would have to take on that contract. They wouldn't do this. Salaries would be too high for the Knicks to take on that contract plus Paul's.
Agreed. But I'm guessing in the coming days some Knicks "journalist" will find a convoluted way.
woah woah woah. All this b/c Paul's agent is rumored to have told Hornet management that Paul wants a trade? If Paul really wants out of NO (I can't really blame him - guy is an All Time talent wasting away with Emeke and West), exactly how is he supposed to go about it?
Yeah I dont understand the hate for players wanting to play somewhere else after all those years they put into dormant franchises. I never for once understood the mockery that the NY Media made after Lebron chose Miami. Are you kidding me NY, there is zero reasons we should be angry at him. There were countless headlines Lecon James, or Lebum James, it was disgusting IMO.If a player wants to play somewhere when his contract allows him to, then he should have that right. It works in baseball perfectly as someone said before and in basketball because it is such an individual sport, it feels personal when a star leaves. Until the NBA allows players to make what they are really worth, like all other leagues, then I can never root for the owners side. There is no reason why Lebron and Dirk can't be making 40M a year when they by themselves make their owners 150M+
MLB players are eligible for free agency after six years of major league service. Paul just completed his sixth year in the NBA.Compensation draft picks wouldn't work well in the NBA. The current system of trading free agents' rights provides a better return for the original team even considering the cap constraints.
I'd be willing to bet money on Chandler re-signing. Cuban will pay.
No reason not to pay. The new CBA doesn't start to really bite down on teams over the tax for 3 years. Not sure why Dallas let their 2nd best player go.
If Chandler takes any more time from Bargnani it'd be worth it.Realistically, Toronto wasting minutes on Bargs but doesn't want to pay with Jonas coming over next season.
It's not like we had Butler last year. I'm hoping he doesn't get any good offers after all the injury stuff and we can resign him because he's a little cheaper. And w/r/t Chandler, is there really no value in taking a little less per year to defend your title? Obviously not a TON, but if the difference is 12 mil with Toronto or 11 mil with Dallas, I'd choose to stay...
Is there a consensus in here that Jimmer is actually gonna not suck in the NBA? Granted I don't watch a tonne of basketball, definitely less than the large majority in this thread, but from the few times I've seen Jimmer play, he doesn't strike me as a NBA player, or at least as a good NBA player. The biggest thing is his defense was pretty embarrassing, he simply looked disinterested in even trying to defend. And even though he displayed pretty good passing ability, he made more dumb decisions leading to turnovers than I expected from a 4th year senior. Also, with his limited athleticism it's going to be a whole lot more difficult for him to get to and finish around the basket than it was for him in the Mountain West conference. Excellent shooter, good passer, but imo the best case scenario for him is bench scorer.'Wooderson said:
There's a lot of "successful" NBA starters who are great scorers but don't play defense. I don't think the Kings have had a PG who played defense since at least the mid 1990s. But there's just no way to tell how Jimmer will match up at this point - the only time we've seen him play NBA players was a goofy charity scrimmage a couple of weeks ago in Davis during the lockout.
Yeah I don't see how either...the only "assets" are Billups expiring, Shumpert, Douglas, and Fields. The guy on CNNSI did have an interesting piece on how Paul (logic also applies to Howard and D Williams) if they can force a trade this year to a team they ultimately want to sign with, can then pick up their player option for 2012-13 which would then make them FAs in 2013-4 at which point they can then sign an exhorbinant Bird Rights contract. While he wrote it to show how Paul can get his max contract from the Knicks, the line of thinking flows through to Howard and to Williams who want to force their way to any team that would be over the cap.
Do it now!
Playoff team, not enough defense to be a serious contender but how many are? Depending on how they fill I like the starting 5.
I am in the opposite opinion. The main problem I see with Miami are that they have a lot of the "same" type of players. Wade and Lebron are the same type of player, and although Bosh does play the 4 he isn't a post type player. If New York were to get Paul I see a balance. Paul has averaged 10 assists per game in his career and has never played with the caliber of player that Melo and Amare are. You then have a legitimate Point guard (who can also score) a top flight scorer in Carmelo and a top flight power, post forward in Amare. I just don't see any sort of balance with the Heat. It was evident in the NBA Finals that the Heat didn't know who they wanted to be their go to player, and I think that is a big problem. Granted, the teams would be close.
Would Carmelo or Paul be the go to player in NY?
Too bad Amare and Melo are in the bottom half in defense at their respective positions while LBJ and Wade are among the best at any position.The problem with NYK is that Melo and Amare are not complete players and their biggest strength is scoring. Never goong to win a championship when 2 of your best players are average at best on defense.
True.
See: Kapono, Korver
