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Have you looked the free agent list? Their are 2 players that are set to be a free agents that'd be worth amnestying Deng for. One of whom (Paul) isn't coming to Chicago. The other (Howard) expressed no desire to come to Chicago during his whole circus last offseason.I'd rank Deng (1 year left on his deal -- during the prime of his career) over every other free agent.
He expressed no desire to go to the Lakers, and that's where he is now. He might be looking at things a little differently. Can they wait until they have a deal worked out with Howard and then amnesty Deng?
I believe so. I just don't see the Bulls as a player for him. We've already seen Howard/Gasol unable to work well together. (I don't think Howard/Noah would be much different).Luol is the perfect player for Tom Thibodeau. I see little reason to dump/amnesty an All Star in Deng, in the prime of career, when they can very easily deal him. Not only deal him, but get something good in return IMO. (I think Deng makes less and is a better overall player than Rudy Gay who netted the Grizzlies a nice young cheap big in Ed Davis) JMO It'd be beyond silly to amnesty Deng. (And I really like Jimmy Butler. Made a post or two recently about him in here)
That's true. Maybe they could do a sign and trade and send Deng off to the Lakers - paying Howard max money would increase his chances of wanting to come here and that might be the best offer LA could get in return. They could use a boost at SF.You're probably right that the Bulls won't be a player for him and this is all sort of wishful thinking on my part. I guess I just don't have as high of an opinion of Deng and still think that's a rough contract to justify with a guy like Butler on the bench. Or maybe I think too much of Butler.
This "Amnesty Deng" plan is worse than anything Abe ever posted.
If true (I'd be surprised if it is) it would basically be a salary dump for the Bulls. Gibson and possibly Real Madrid's Mirotic are the future PFs for the Bulls. What's the deal with Bargnani's last year of his contract? Cheap early termination?Edit: Another thing with the Bulls, they are sitting less than $4 million over the luxury tax threshold. And they've never paid the luxury tax before. A lot of fans (me included) think they will try to get under that. This trade could help get them closer. Dumping Rip Hamilton is also an option.
Enter Tibs
At the game, great 3rd quarter.
I'd disagree that Jefferson is better than Splitter, who is extremely efficient in his role. Jefferson's a nice scorer but actively hurts you in some other phases like defense ...The only way I could ever see the Spurs doing this is if Duncan's injury the other day is a lot more than just "sprains" like they said ... then I could see them getting the most out of a Jefferson type. But unless I'm running most of my offense through Jefferson, I'd rather just let Duncan/Parker and Manu take the shots and keep Splitter/Jackson.
jefferson > splitter jefferson's individual defense might not be exceptional but, within the framework of the Spurs system, team/help defense skills matter more. i'm surprised by the resistance on the part of spurs fans to go forward with a trade like this. i held out high hopes for splitter when he came to the team but he's been kind of a disappointment. his best virtue, to this point, is his contract.let me remind my fellow spurs fans that the trade costs almost nothing. jefferson's potential impact in the deal is well worth the gamble. we're not giving up anything meaningful here,
That must be the only hangup. Unfortunately, it looks like the Raptors are in a hurry to be mediocre. Colangelo sees his job slipping away and this, along with the Gay trade, as a chance to save it. MLSE has plenty of cash if they want to go for it and pay tax. Maybe Colangelo has convinced them that they are close to justify it. Swapping Boozer for Bargnani makes Toronto better in the short term and a pretty solid favorite to land in the top 5 East next year (behind MIA, IND, CHI, NY). On one hand, it really cripples their cap situation. On the other, its not like they're going to be able to land anyone better in FA (and they won't have the cap space anyway).
Channeling your inner-Abe I see.
I don't see top 5 as far fetched. After the teams listed, who else is there that would be better as constructed? Forgot about Brooklyn, so maybe them. I'd say that lineup makes them better than the Bucks. Boston isn't getting any better. Detroit is a couple years away. Philly, even with Bynum, is still just an 8 seed. I'd put them ahead of Atlanta as well; obviously that changes if they land Howard.A Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Boozer and Johnson/Valancunias is pretty solid and probably a 45-48 win team in the East.
Outside of ridding themselves of Joe Johnson's deal, smartest move the Hawks franchise has ever made. Someone is going to overpay this guy this offseason (probably with a max deal where he's dealt to) and will really really really really regret it.Suns sound about right making this Josh Smith max contract mistake. The Hornets bailed them out of the Eric Gordon mistake. Probably won't be as fortunate this time around.On a good team, he's 3rd option. Sadly someone will try to build around him.
Definitely not a max guy... and with that, fire up the Bargnani for Smith rumors (doubt it). Colangelo would be dumb enough to give him a max.
You knew Kobe was going to get 0 assists before the game even ended. That's some real foresight.
I could actually see this happening with Colangelo thinking Smith will be his new version of Shawn Marion. (I'd have taken Marion easily in his prime, but that's another discussion)JMO The Raptors aren't going to have a huge issue dealing Bargnani and getting something in return despite his obvious defensive deficiencies.
I'm sure Atlanta would prefer the cap space to Bargnani and his contract.
To use on what? At $10-11 mil/yr, you're looking at getting a player comparable to Bargnani.I see everyone talking about cap space cap space cap space. Look at the upcoming FA class. Their isn't much. Odds Paul leaves LA (better team,better town) for less money to ATL? Same with Howard. ATL doesn't exactly have the assets either to pull off a sign and trade either. Beyond Al Horford (who I'm thinking they'd love to keep), that is one ugly roster. I'm sure teams aren't jumping up and down to acquire Jeff Teague to then have to pay him for a new deal.So keep the cap space and spend $10+ mil/yr on OJ Mayo? Name some names here with some possible scenarios.....
In my opinion, more teams should enter the season with cap space and see who becomes available during that season. You never know who might become available. And if you don't trade for anyone, the owner benefits by the lower team salary.
Thanks for an explanation. See too many people wanting to clear cap space for this offseason. Their isn't much available. I just don't see any reason why Paul leaves LA. Same goes with Howard. I don't think Bargnani's contract is outrageous (given the money handed out around the league). I actually think it's a bit overstated.
There is a salary floor of 85% of the salary cap.
Not that I'm arguing just to argue, but top10 is a bit of a stretch. JamesDurant WestbrookHardenMeloHowardKobePaulBlakeIrving Who are you bumping from that list for Paul George ?
George will be better than Harden, Melo, Kobe, Howard and Blake next year. Kobe is on too much of a decline, Howard is a wreck physically and soft, and George will be a better all around player than Harden, Melo and Blake.'Abraham said:
No, he won't. I'm all for the notion that players can improve and become top tier (a la harden this year) but the top 10 is much deeper than it seems at first glance. A guy like gasol or wade slides a bit and so griffin and harden enter the discussion. But Even saying Kobe is on the decline is a stretch.
And then this ignores guys like Wall, Rose, Love, Deron, Bynum, Gordon, or Curry. George has certainly put himself in the discussion but that is a lot of depth to try to surpass.
Link?
They'd be a nice team to root for if they didn't have Hansbrough. What a dirty piece of ####.'GroveDiesel said:
I'm sure Bargnani has a better rep around league GMs than he does here and that if they wanted to dump him, they could quite easily. It is just a matter of if they can get a 'quality' player back; expiring contracts and role players do nothing for Toronto. Ideally, it is someone like Pau or, even with his faults (contract & age) Boozer. Tonights game was probably the toughest I've ever seen him play. He was banging and getting physical with Hibert all night. Definitely out of character for him. Perhaps he has learned something watching guys like Davis, Johnson, Acy and Gray giving max effort every night... and now realizing that his minutes are in serious jeopardy.'Craig_MiamiFL said:
Isn't that for the end of the season? Like with the luxury tax? I might be wrong.'Kev4029 said:
Yep, you're right.
Melo, Kobe & Griffin can all be crossed off for George IMO within the next year or two. Age and lack of defense are big factors. This is based on only seeing him play on national TV from Seattle, which is limited with the Pacers, but he looks phenomenal. He's not as flashy as those three, but in the flow of the game he seems to make a huge impact.'Abraham said:
That's interesting. I haven't seen him as much as some but I have a hard time thinking two top 5 scorers and a 20/10 guy are so easily overlooked. Granting their contracts, George is certainly interesting. Granting their (current) draw at the gate, he lags far behind. If we are going to have this conversation, maybe someone who likes him could tell me what he does well, what he does good, and what he needs to improve on. I'm not going to go to the ditch arguing against his rise, and I will grant that I think Blake is overrated. But usually a player making his way to the top tier of the league is a guy you can see coming a year or two in advance. Irving seems to me to be the obvious guy right now in they regard. Is George on that level and I just haven't noticed?
