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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (7 Viewers)

My teams rock! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep the Lakers and the Bucks!! LOVE seeing T-Mac back and on the Spurs team! :towelwave:
McGrady finally makes it out of the first round! :confetti:
They played him for 5 minutes for what I have to assume is specifically so he can say he played on a team that made it out.
He's been out of NBA action for a long time. They said they are bringing him in slowly. Now's not the time in a big playoff game to see what a player can do on a new team even if he was a good player....

 
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Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Time for Karl to step down?
I think this series has been lost much more by the players than Karl. McGee, Miller and Kofous have pathetic on D and Brewer is gambling and missing more than all season. Sucks.

 
Can't believe the Nuggets may lose this series. Never thought they'd lose at home.

Series not over as the Warriors have fallen flat on their faces at home at times this year. I really thought this was a potential sweep or 5 game series tops for the Nuggets.

 
Gotta say, Golden State is impressing me, didn't see them doing this at all, especially without Lee.

For those more in the know on the salary cap situation, could they hypothetically afford Dwight Howard in the offseason? Off the top of my head, I think Jack is a free agent, and I know they've got Bogut and RJ's ####ty contracts.

 
Can't believe the Nuggets may lose this series. Never thought they'd lose at home.

Series not over as the Warriors have fallen flat on their faces at home at times this year. I really thought this was a potential sweep or 5 game series tops for the Nuggets.
Nuggets are always a regular season team. In the playoffs they struggle since they need go to guys and they dont really have anyone to fill that role.

I think David Lee getting hurt was the best thing for the Warriors; they are better without him. He has been shown to be one of the worst interior defenders in the league, they are playing better with all these shooters spread across the floor. I dont understand how Jack was this much an NBA nonfactor until now, dude has mad skills. .

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrriors!

Not adding anything at all to the discussion, but I'm just enjoying seeing my team kill all doubters even my own (predicted Nuggets in 7, crossing my fingers it doesn't come true).

Really don't see how the Nuggets even have a chance.

Game 1 was a dead even game, decided on the last play.

Game 2 Dubs go nuts.

Game 3 Dubs win a old school shootout.

Game 4 Dubs win with Bogut making the Nuggets pay for trapping the smalls at half court and then Curry go nuts when the Nuggets can't trap as aggressively.

Warriors win in a blow out in game 6 after losing narrowly to the Nuggets on the road.

Warriors to the finals!

 
Gotta say, Golden State is impressing me, didn't see them doing this at all, especially without Lee.

For those more in the know on the salary cap situation, could they hypothetically afford Dwight Howard in the offseason? Off the top of my head, I think Jack is a free agent, and I know they've got Bogut and RJ's ####ty contracts.
GSW has about $28MM in player options you can assume will be exercised and Curry's new contract kicks in, so GSW has about $75MM on the books already for next year. The cap will be in the $58-60MM range, so unless they are a long way from being a FA player this summer.

Summer 2014 is an option for GSW: Curry and Lee are the only big money signed long-term, and they shed Bogut's $14MM, Jefferson's $11MM, and Biedrins's $9MM.

I don't know if their exact contract figures are correct, but I like the way Hoopshype displays teams' long-term contract situations. For GSW's: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm
Cool link, hadn't seen that before, thanks.

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrriors!

Not adding anything at all to the discussion, but I'm just enjoying seeing my team kill all doubters even my own (predicted Nuggets in 7, crossing my fingers it doesn't come true).

Really don't see how the Nuggets even have a chance.

Game 1 was a dead even game, decided on the last play.

Game 2 Dubs go nuts.

Game 3 Dubs win a old school shootout.

Game 4 Dubs win with Bogut making the Nuggets pay for trapping the smalls at half court and then Curry go nuts when the Nuggets can't trap as aggressively.

Warriors win in a blow out in game 6 after losing narrowly to the Nuggets on the road.

Warriors to the finals!
The smalls? GTFO

 
This is what happens when the league pampers an undeserving team into the playoffs. LA had no business being there. At least Utah would have put up a fight.

 
Can't believe the Nuggets may lose this series. Never thought they'd lose at home.

Series not over as the Warriors have fallen flat on their faces at home at times this year. I really thought this was a potential sweep or 5 game series tops for the Nuggets.
Nuggets are always a regular season team. In the playoffs they struggle since they need go to guys and they dont really have anyone to fill that role.

I think David Lee getting hurt was the best thing for the Warriors; they are better without him. He has been shown to be one of the worst interior defenders in the league, they are playing better with all these shooters spread across the floor. I dont understand how Jack was this much an NBA nonfactor until now, dude has mad skills. .
It has nothing to do with that, they are averaging well over 100 ppg, offensively they have been playing fairly well. Their problem is defense. I turned the game off halfway through the 3rd because I was so pissed off, but I heard the Nuggets got within a few points with 4 minutes left in the 3rd then Miller came in and played his amazingly awful defense on Curry and he went off for 19 points in four ####### minutes. Its #### like that which is killing the Nuggets, its not that they don't have some stud to play ISO ball. Plus, I think Lawson has played like a top 10-12 player this season since January, so your argument is kind of invalid anyway.

 
Can't believe the Nuggets may lose this series. Never thought they'd lose at home.

Series not over as the Warriors have fallen flat on their faces at home at times this year. I really thought this was a potential sweep or 5 game series tops for the Nuggets.
Nuggets are always a regular season team. In the playoffs they struggle since they need go to guys and they dont really have anyone to fill that role.

I think David Lee getting hurt was the best thing for the Warriors; they are better without him. He has been shown to be one of the worst interior defenders in the league, they are playing better with all these shooters spread across the floor. I dont understand how Jack was this much an NBA nonfactor until now, dude has mad skills. .
Go to guy is ridiculous. The Nuggets can score with anyone.

Jack is the same replacement level player that he has been for years.

David Lee lead the Warriors is DWS and dRTG. His On/Off net was the best on his team. In no possible way was his injury a good thing for GS.

 
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Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
 
Abraham, on 29 Apr 2013 - 09:47, said:The nuggets don't need a go to player. They need some defense.
I was a little drunk and fell asleep at the beginning of the 4th, so I'm sure I'm a little fuzzy, but I thought Nuggets played nice D in the 1st half. They kept Curry/Klay in check. They just happened to be on the business end of too many Bogut dunks in the process. When Bogut, Landry, and Jack are playing that well, GSW is just going to be nearly impossible to stop.Nuggets made a game of it in the 3rd and then of course Curry happened.Obviously, giving up 115 is never the goal and of course, they needed to play better defense, but I think last night they just ran into an unstoppable force in a rocking Oracle.
 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug:

Oh Well.

I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.

 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug:

Oh Well.

I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
It's amazing to me when you see the blow it up reactions from some cities when their teams lose in the 1st round of the playoffs.

If the Grizzlies lose to the Clippers you will hear that in Memphis and I'm sure some Denver fans will react the same way if tehy get eliminated.

Nuggest just need some minor tweaks, like Andre Miller not guarding a guy that can abuse him off the dribble and has intercontinental make range.

It's painful but entertaining watching Curry wear him out.

 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug: Oh Well. I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug: Oh Well. I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
People are calling for Karl to be fired because of the baffling decisions he is making with the lineups. Chandler is lost out there but that's because Karl starts him at Center, when he is best at the 3 spot, maybe sometimes at 4. Miller had a lights out shooting game in Game 1, but has been slow to rotate and is lost out there on D and has had miserable shooting nights, yet is still on the floor for close to 30 minutes. Koufos has been soft and lost on the floor all playoffs, but continues to see significant time. Karl has a long history of first round exits, and people thought that this team would be the one to prove that history wrong. instead, it is becoming the most glaring example of his playoff troubles after he is getting outcoached by a rookie coach at every turn. Mark Jackson has been a step ahead of Karl all series long, and Karl is experimenting with a roster in the playoffs, resulting in the team not being able to impose its style of play on the Warriors.

This will make 9 out of the last 10 years that Denver has lost in the first round of the playoffs. I think most of the calls for regime change come because fans are tired of the same result year after year after year.

The Nuggets have a great core of players though -- Lawson, Gallinari, Faried, Chandler, Fournier, and Iguodala (if he opts out of his contracts and re-signs for a longer, smaller per-year amount) make up a great set that can go places. McGee is an albatross because people remember how he took over the Lakers series last year but he hasn't been able to repeat that dominance and his asthma keeps him from playing enough minutes each game to justify his eight figure contract.

 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.

Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug:

Oh Well.

I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
Stuff like this:

Thirdly, during various Warriors runs in each game, Karl has failed to call timeouts to stem the tide against his team. So not only is Karl's gambling, gimmicky defense not shutting down the Warriors offense, but Karl isn't calling timeouts for his players to regroup and the Warriors to (presumably) cool off. The NBA gives you too many timeouts for a reason, after all.

And finally, and perhaps most importantly, Karl has abruptly changed his strategy to match the Warriors rather than force the Warriors to change their game to match the Nuggets. Being taller and having a deeper bench, the Nuggets should have dictated this series from the opening tip of Game 1 with hard-nosed, physical playoff basketball that forces turnovers and hard-fouls would-be layups by the opposition. Instead, the Warriors went small and the Nuggets went into scramble mode - and it hasn't worked. Simply put, the Warriors have never been punished for going small and instead have run all over the Nuggets. And it's embarrassing to watch.
 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug: Oh Well. I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
People are calling for Karl to be fired because of the baffling decisions he is making with the lineups. Chandler is lost out there but that's because Karl starts him at Center, when he is best at the 3 spot, maybe sometimes at 4. Miller had a lights out shooting game in Game 1, but has been slow to rotate and is lost out there on D and has had miserable shooting nights, yet is still on the floor for close to 30 minutes. Koufos has been soft and lost on the floor all playoffs, but continues to see significant time. Karl has a long history of first round exits, and people thought that this team would be the one to prove that history wrong. instead, it is becoming the most glaring example of his playoff troubles after he is getting outcoached by a rookie coach at every turn. Mark Jackson has been a step ahead of Karl all series long, and Karl is experimenting with a roster in the playoffs, resulting in the team not being able to impose its style of play on the Warriors.

This will make 9 out of the last 10 years that Denver has lost in the first round of the playoffs. I think most of the calls for regime change come because fans are tired of the same result year after year after year.

The Nuggets have a great core of players though -- Lawson, Gallinari, Faried, Chandler, Fournier, and Iguodala (if he opts out of his contracts and re-signs for a longer, smaller per-year amount) make up a great set that can go places. McGee is an albatross because people remember how he took over the Lakers series last year but he hasn't been able to repeat that dominance and his asthma keeps him from playing enough minutes each game to justify his eight figure contract.
This is the overreaction we are talking about. The Nuggets have made the playoffs for 10 straight years, nobody other than the Spurs can claim that. I don't think anybody wants to settle for 1st round outs but I would rather feel like the Nuggets are competitive year in and year out than be the Kings or something.

As for Karl's rotations, they have been a bit strange but hes in a really tough spot right now. Hes playing Chandler as a 4/5 because he can stop the pick and roll (if you notice, they hardly even run it with the guy Chandler is guarding) while McGee, Koufos and Randolph can't even slow it down. You complain about Koufos, McGee and Chandler saying they are all playing too much,but where do you expect the center/PF minutes to come from? I do agree that Miller has been playing too much but he's one of the only guys that has been fairly consistent offensively (other than game 3) so he is forced to play him to get some points out of somebody.

 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.

Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug:

Oh Well.

I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
Stuff like this:

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Thirdly, during various Warriors runs in each game, Karl has failed to call timeouts to stem the tide against his team. So not only is Karl's gambling, gimmicky defense not shutting down the Warriors offense, but Karl isn't calling timeouts for his players to regroup and the Warriors to (presumably) cool off. The NBA gives you too many timeouts for a reason, after all.

And finally, and perhaps most importantly, Karl has abruptly changed his strategy to match the Warriors rather than force the Warriors to change their game to match the Nuggets. Being taller and having a deeper bench, the Nuggets should have dictated this series from the opening tip of Game 1 with hard-nosed, physical playoff basketball that forces turnovers and hard-fouls would-be layups by the opposition. Instead, the Warriors went small and the Nuggets went into scramble mode - and it hasn't worked. Simply put, the Warriors have never been punished for going small and instead have run all over the Nuggets. And it's embarrassing to watch.
Lifelong GSW fan...I would not give Jackson much credit for the success of this squad. He took over announcing that they would be a hard nosed defensive team (being a horrible defender in his own playing days) only to be a well below average defensive squad and is a sub par game coach. Against LAL last time, the LAL continually defended the ball screen by doubling and sagging, leaving the pick-and-pop open. GSW punished them early by running it with Curry and Thompson but inexplicably started running it with their bigs late in the game, including the last shot where they had a post deciding the game with a 20-footer, when LA made their dubious comeback.

As far as tempo of the current series, Den outscored GSW 25-13 on the break yet was outscored 48-36 in the paint. I am not sure slowing it down and turning the series into a grind it out slugfest favors Den here.

 
Stuff like this:

Thirdly, during various Warriors runs in each game, Karl has failed to call timeouts to stem the tide against his team. So not only is Karl's gambling, gimmicky defense not shutting down the Warriors offense, but Karl isn't calling timeouts for his players to regroup and the Warriors to (presumably) cool off. The NBA gives you too many timeouts for a reason, after all.

And finally, and perhaps most importantly, Karl has abruptly changed his strategy to match the Warriors rather than force the Warriors to change their game to match the Nuggets. Being taller and having a deeper bench, the Nuggets should have dictated this series from the opening tip of Game 1 with hard-nosed, physical playoff basketball that forces turnovers and hard-fouls would-be layups by the opposition. Instead, the Warriors went small and the Nuggets went into scramble mode - and it hasn't worked. Simply put, the Warriors have never been punished for going small and instead have run all over the Nuggets. And it's embarrassing to watch.
The gambling defensive strategy the Nuggets use is to both help get some easy points and to cover up the glaring weakness they have defensively down low. Changing their philosophy defensively won't help.

Karl has never used lot of timeouts, which isn't unique to him, and in this series they've gotten killed coming out of timeouts anyway. This has always been a weakness of the Nuggets with GK, as I don't think he is a terrific in game strategist, but he coaches the Nuggets like very few can as he is managing a whole lot of egos that think that they should be starting but only 5 can.

As for his small lineups, his bigs aren't playing any defense, he had to try something. The Warriors aren't really a team that you can get really physical with, with your bigs because they are so perimeter oriented. Playing Koufos, McGee and Randolph 75 minutes a game would only give Curry, Thompson and Jack more open looks.

 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.

Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug:

Oh Well.

I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
Stuff like this:

Thirdly, during various Warriors runs in each game, Karl has failed to call timeouts to stem the tide against his team. So not only is Karl's gambling, gimmicky defense not shutting down the Warriors offense, but Karl isn't calling timeouts for his players to regroup and the Warriors to (presumably) cool off. The NBA gives you too many timeouts for a reason, after all.

And finally, and perhaps most importantly, Karl has abruptly changed his strategy to match the Warriors rather than force the Warriors to change their game to match the Nuggets. Being taller and having a deeper bench, the Nuggets should have dictated this series from the opening tip of Game 1 with hard-nosed, physical playoff basketball that forces turnovers and hard-fouls would-be layups by the opposition. Instead, the Warriors went small and the Nuggets went into scramble mode - and it hasn't worked. Simply put, the Warriors have never been punished for going small and instead have run all over the Nuggets. And it's embarrassing to watch.
I'm not sure about the Nuggets being deeper and bigger. Faried is hobbling, undersized, and inconsistent. He's the only DEN big you can trust even a little bit. McGee and Koufous are inconsistent wild cards.Dubs have a very solid with healthy Bogut and then had a Carl Landry to reach for when Lee went down.

DEN doesn't have some decided frontcourt advantage to exploit.

First round exits are very frustrating, but every thing has to be kept in perspective. The NBA is a cruel #####. There are only 2 good options for organiztions. You either get lucky enough to completely stink in the right year (or in OKC's case, yearS) and get luckier still to win the lottery (or in OKC's case, lucky enough to lose the lottery), or you are the Karl era Nuggets. That's the best you can hope for if you don't win the lottery in the right year (or are the Lakers).

 
Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.
Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.
Wow. I think I posted that with about 4 and half min left in the 3rd. Curry hadn't done much by then. Lawson was on fire and the Nuggets had made a game of it again.4.5 min. later.... BOOM..... Curry had dropped another 19 and it was over.Sorry man. There aren't many teams I'd root for over GSW, but DEN is one of them. Love Lawson and Karl. Good chance of Den bouncing back Tuesday night and hopefully, this series sees the sort of exciting finish it deserves.
:shrug: Oh Well. I'm just hoping if the Nuggets do lose this series its at home, I'd like to give them a big standing ovation for this season. Obviously the result of this series is disappointing but its been a fun year. I went to more games this season (something like 12 prior to the playoffs) than I've gone to since my parents had season tickets back in the Dikembe Mutumbo days when I was like 8. I think I may be in the minority of Nuggets fans, but I think they should keep George Karl and make some smaller moves in the offseason. I think most people in Denver are calling for Karl's head and for a roster overhaul.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to fire Karl.Consistent excellence in a loaded West and success on both sides of a major roster overhaul.
People are calling for Karl to be fired because of the baffling decisions he is making with the lineups. Chandler is lost out there but that's because Karl starts him at Center, when he is best at the 3 spot, maybe sometimes at 4. Miller had a lights out shooting game in Game 1, but has been slow to rotate and is lost out there on D and has had miserable shooting nights, yet is still on the floor for close to 30 minutes. Koufos has been soft and lost on the floor all playoffs, but continues to see significant time. Karl has a long history of first round exits, and people thought that this team would be the one to prove that history wrong. instead, it is becoming the most glaring example of his playoff troubles after he is getting outcoached by a rookie coach at every turn. Mark Jackson has been a step ahead of Karl all series long, and Karl is experimenting with a roster in the playoffs, resulting in the team not being able to impose its style of play on the Warriors.

This will make 9 out of the last 10 years that Denver has lost in the first round of the playoffs. I think most of the calls for regime change come because fans are tired of the same result year after year after year.

The Nuggets have a great core of players though -- Lawson, Gallinari, Faried, Chandler, Fournier, and Iguodala (if he opts out of his contracts and re-signs for a longer, smaller per-year amount) make up a great set that can go places. McGee is an albatross because people remember how he took over the Lakers series last year but he hasn't been able to repeat that dominance and his asthma keeps him from playing enough minutes each game to justify his eight figure contract.
This is the overreaction we are talking about. The Nuggets have made the playoffs for 10 straight years, nobody other than the Spurs can claim that. I don't think anybody wants to settle for 1st round outs but I would rather feel like the Nuggets are competitive year in and year out than be the Kings or something.

As for Karl's rotations, they have been a bit strange but hes in a really tough spot right now. Hes playing Chandler as a 4/5 because he can stop the pick and roll (if you notice, they hardly even run it with the guy Chandler is guarding) while McGee, Koufos and Randolph can't even slow it down. You complain about Koufos, McGee and Chandler saying they are all playing too much,but where do you expect the center/PF minutes to come from? I do agree that Miller has been playing too much but he's one of the only guys that has been fairly consistent offensively (other than game 3) so he is forced to play him to get some points out of somebody.
For what it is worth, I don't think McGee or Chandler are playing too much. McGee is around 14 minutes a game these last two. I think Koufos was relied on waaaay too much even though it was clear that the matchup here was stacked against him. Koufos hasn't had a stretch of good play in this entire series.

One option is putting Mozgov out there against Bogut for nothing else than to play him tougher than Koufos did. Mozgov has a broken finger, but it was reported that he still could have played. Bogut had some hard screens into the backs of players in the early games that set the physical tone -- and the Nuggets never responded. They have been playing soft and light, when all year it was their aggressiveness that paid off. Mozgov isn't afraid to push back a little bit, and I think that would have helped the Nuggets get some of the emotional edge back. Instead, it's been backpedaling for three games without any ability to assert any sort of aggressive play -- the hallmark of the regular season for the Nuggets.

As for Miller, I would put Fournier out there. He at least makes an effort on defense, which is where the Nuggets have (pretty much) lost this series. Karl never let him get in a rhythm with his shooting, giving him the hook after less than a quarter of play. Chandler, Iguodala, and Brewer have all shown that they can put up enough points that Denver should never have to rely on Miller to be a primary scoring option. Miller is at his best when he can feed the bigger players and keep the ball moving. Even after Game 1, I knew that if the Nuggets were going to rely on Miller as a primary offensive option, that they had already lost the series.

 
Curry flipped a switch a couple months back and is playing some of the best scoring basketball I've ever seen. The Nuggets are going to have to take extraordinary measures to slow him down, like a steady diet of double/triple teams and/or some Jordan rules.

 
Curry flipped a switch a couple months back and is playing some of the best scoring basketball I've ever seen. The Nuggets are going to have to take extraordinary measures to slow him down, like a steady diet of double/triple teams and/or some Jordan rules.
Or give him the ol' Bruce Bowen on a jump shot.

 
Curry flipped a switch a couple months back and is playing some of the best scoring basketball I've ever seen. The Nuggets are going to have to take extraordinary measures to slow him down, like a steady diet of double/triple teams and/or some Jordan rules.
Or give him the ol' Bruce Bowen on a jump shot.
Seriously. They tried the eye gouge and came up empty (Brewer complaining that he didn't commit a foul on that one has been one of the most comical on court moments of the playoffs so far), so what's left? I'm hoping they don't actually put him out because I'm really enjoying watching him play. I know Pop is a sorcerer, but I think he could be more than the Spurs can handle if he keeps up this hot streak and they get past the Nuggets.

I'm rooting for Warriors now, right behind the Griz (my Bucks gave it their all, but we all knew how that was going to go down).

 
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Bulls without Hinrich tonight due to a calf injury. That's going to make it rough for them. The problem with starting Nate is he really can only guard C.J. Watson. I think I'd start Belinelli. I'd have Butler guard Williams, Deng guard Johnson and Belinelli guard Wallace.

Nate's going to play a lot of minutes, of course, but they'll want to hide him on defense as much as they can.

 
Curry flipped a switch a couple months back and is playing some of the best scoring basketball I've ever seen. The Nuggets are going to have to take extraordinary measures to slow him down, like a steady diet of double/triple teams and/or some Jordan rules.
Or give him the ol' Bruce Bowen on a jump shot.
Seriously. They tried the eye gouge and came up empty (Brewer complaining that he didn't commit a foul on that one has been one of the most comical on court moments of the playoffs so far), so what's left? I'm hoping they don't actually put him out because I'm really enjoying watching him play. I know Pop is a sorcerer, but I think he could be more than the Spurs can handle if he keeps up this hot streak and they get past the Nuggets.

I'm rooting for Warriors now, right behind the Griz (my Bucks gave it their all, but we all knew how that was going to go down).
After this series I would really be pulling for the Warriors, other than the fact that Bogut has been pulling his best Garnett impression being a fake tough guy with goofy mean faces. Watching a team bomb threes from all over the place has got be be pretty fun to watch if it isn't your team getting bombed on.

 
Gr00vus, on 29 Apr 2013 - 12:46, said:

Kev4029, on 29 Apr 2013 - 12:43, said:

Gr00vus, on 29 Apr 2013 - 12:35, said:Curry flipped a switch a couple months back and is playing some of the best scoring basketball I've ever seen. The Nuggets are going to have to take extraordinary measures to slow him down, like a steady diet of double/triple teams and/or some Jordan rules.
Or give him the ol' Bruce Bowen on a jump shot.
Seriously. They tried the eye gouge and came up empty (Brewer complaining that he didn't commit a foul on that one has been one of the most comical on court moments of the playoffs so far), so what's left? I'm hoping they don't actually put him out because I'm really enjoying watching him play. I know Pop is a sorcerer, but I think he could be more than the Spurs can handle if he keeps up this hot streak and they get past the Nuggets.I'm rooting for Warriors now, right behind the Griz (my Bucks gave it their all, but we all knew how that was going to go down).
It's so shocking how quickly he gets it off.Barring a DEN miracle (there's still some solid hope, I think), it'll be a whole lot of fun to see how Pop handles Curry. Good news for SA is that, unlike DEN, they should be able to keep Bogut and Landry from blowing up while they figure out what to do with Curry.
 
With Curry, I'm now surprised when he misses, regardless of where/how he's shooting. That said I wonder why Jackson brought him back late in the 4th after he got his eye poked. Didn't seem like he needed to be out there then and he's still recovering from his latest ankle sprain.

 
With Curry, I'm now surprised when he misses, regardless of where/how he's shooting. That said I wonder why Jackson brought him back late in the 4th after he got his eye poked. Didn't seem like he needed to be out there then and he's still recovering from his latest ankle sprain.
He makes step back 3-point jump shots off the dribble which are awful shots for nearly anybody else in the league. I think that is what separates him from the other great shooters in the NBA. Hes a good spot up shooter but hes even better off the dribble and I don't know if there is anybody else in the NBA that can say that.

 
If you were tasked with guarding Curry on the final play of the game and could carry one object/weapon, what one weapon would you choose?

Standard basketball rules apply. They are in the bonus (put him on the line at your own peril) and you are not allowed to seriously injury Curry or destroy the ball (no firearms).

I'm thinking a tennis raquet is the only thing that might give me a prayer. Not confident in that though. I'm 5'6" and now slow. I still couldn't close out fast enough.

 

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