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[biggamer3]

I remember back in the Curry draft after Minnesota took Flynn and Rubio and it was the Warriors turn to pick, those 5 minutes or so on the clock were taking forever for us Knicks fans. We all knew the Knicks LOVED Curry and were taking him after the Warriors. At the time the Warriors had Monta breaking out and using him at the PG/SG spot and the word on Steph was that he was a PG/SG combo guy as well. No one thought the Warriors were taking Curry, we knew the second the Warriors clock expired we had Curry in the bag. Then the unexpected happened, the Warriors snagged Curry and the Knicks had NO backup plan at all. They were completely caught off guard, they took Jordan Hill the next pick, Knicks fans all booed that pick; we wanted Steph badly.

Honestly i remember the press conference that night when Walsh barely could believe the words he was saying that he wanted Hill all along. LOL.

Honestly was the saddest day as a Knicks fan, i knew Curry would have lit up the garden.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Where is the serious question?

Curry or Irving?

Irving by a mile.

 

[biggamer3]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

 

[tommyGunZ]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

Irving is at the top of tier 2. I'd put Curry at the top of your tier 3, though I think there are a couple folks you're leaving out (a healthy Howard for one).

 

[biggamer3]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

Irving is at the top of tier 2. I'd put Curry at the top of your tier 3, though I think there are a couple folks you're leaving out (a healthy Howard for one).

Dont think so. Howard used to be at the top of this list after Lebron but things have changed for him. Curry's best has yet to come, not sure Dwight has better days ahead.

 

[biggamer3]

Also i think we need to move Blake down a bunch of slots in NBA Asset Value Lists. I would rather have a non flashy guy like Marc Gasol over Blake any day. In fact, if the Clippers could deal Blake for Marc i think they would consider it if you dont factor in Blake and Paul being good buddies.

 

[Gr00vus]

i knew Curry would have lit up the garden.

What do you mean "would have"?

 

[Kev4029]

Derrick Rose and Anthony Davis are also above him. I would put him on the Gasol, Love, Parker, Lopez tier, just ahead of guys like Lawson, Griffin, and George.

 

[biggamer3]

Derrick Rose and Anthony Davis are also above him. I would put him on the Gasol, Love, Parker, Lopez tier, just ahead of guys like Lawson, Griffin, and George.

Rose for sure, totally forgot about him. I put him above Davis, Love, lopez. Parker and him are close.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

Irving is at the top of tier 2. I'd put Curry at the top of your tier 3, though I think there are a couple folks you're leaving out (a healthy Howard for one).

Dont think so. Howard used to be at the top of this list after Lebron but things have changed for him. Curry's best has yet to come, not sure Dwight has better days ahead.

You guys shoveling dirt on Dwight's grave are wasting your energy. He simply wasn't healthy for the first 4-5 months. I'm as upset with his attitude as anyone, but the idea that he's not a top 5-10 asset and is less valuable than guys like Tony Parker, Steph Curry, and Dwayne Wade is silly.

 

[Kev4029]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

Irving is at the top of tier 2. I'd put Curry at the top of your tier 3, though I think there are a couple folks you're leaving out (a healthy Howard for one).

Dont think so. Howard used to be at the top of this list after Lebron but things have changed for him. Curry's best has yet to come, not sure Dwight has better days ahead.

You guys shoveling dirt on Dwight's grave are wasting your energy. He simply wasn't healthy for the first 4-5 months. I'm as upset with his attitude as anyone, but the idea that he's not a top 5-10 asset and is less valuable than guys like Tony Parker, Steph Curry, and Dwayne Wade is silly.

Fully agree.

He still lead the NBA in rebounding and was 4th for centers in scoring.

If his play never improved from what it was this season, hes still a max player and hes only 2 years older than Curry and plays a more important and more scarce position.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, no point in getting worked up over Howard's 2012-13 season. This trainwreck was easy to see coming (I predicted 5-6 seed and first round ext before the season).

Howard will be fine and I hope he leaves so that makes some other team a real contender immediately.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

Irving is at the top of tier 2. I'd put Curry at the top of your tier 3, though I think there are a couple folks you're leaving out (a healthy Howard for one).

Dont think so. Howard used to be at the top of this list after Lebron but things have changed for him. Curry's best has yet to come, not sure Dwight has better days ahead.

You guys shoveling dirt on Dwight's grave are wasting your energy. He simply wasn't healthy for the first 4-5 months. I'm as upset with his attitude as anyone, but the idea that he's not a top 5-10 asset and is less valuable than guys like Tony Parker, Steph Curry, and Dwayne Wade is silly.

Fully agree.

He still lead the NBA in rebounding and was 4th for centers in scoring.

If his play never improved from what it was this season, hes still a max player and hes only 2 years older than Curry and plays a more important and more scarce position.

Yes, but is it worth the terrible attitude that comes with him?

I'd rather have Curry than him at this point. After his charade last season (and expected circus this summer), piss poor effort this year, zero leadership, a bad back and is at what should be his peak, no thanks. Give me a good young guy like Curry to build around.

 

[Kev4029]

And nobody is taking into consideration Curry's ####ty ankles that kept him out most of last year and are constantly a problem.

 

[Kev4029]

Serious question: Durant or Curry?

Durant. As much as I wanted to make this question sound absurd, the fact of the matter is that Curry has elevated his game and those around him to such a high level. For sure top 5 NBA asset going forward.

No ####### way. Curry has had a great series but its been against pathetic defense and he still can't guard anybody.

Oh, its still a no brainer, Durant is the #2 NBA Asset FOR SURE. But i meant Curry with his flaws has moved into superstar territory. Name me the assets GOING forward that are better than curry?

No Brainers are:

Lebron

Durant

Probably:

Paul

Westbrook

Harden

Carmelo

About equal to Curry:

Parker

Wade

Irving

Irving is at the top of tier 2. I'd put Curry at the top of your tier 3, though I think there are a couple folks you're leaving out (a healthy Howard for one).

Dont think so. Howard used to be at the top of this list after Lebron but things have changed for him. Curry's best has yet to come, not sure Dwight has better days ahead.

You guys shoveling dirt on Dwight's grave are wasting your energy. He simply wasn't healthy for the first 4-5 months. I'm as upset with his attitude as anyone, but the idea that he's not a top 5-10 asset and is less valuable than guys like Tony Parker, Steph Curry, and Dwayne Wade is silly.

Fully agree.

He still lead the NBA in rebounding and was 4th for centers in scoring.

If his play never improved from what it was this season, hes still a max player and hes only 2 years older than Curry and plays a more important and more scarce position.

Yes, but is it worth the terrible attitude that comes with him?

I'd rather have Curry than him at this point. After his charade last season (and expected circus this summer), piss poor effort this year, zero leadership, a bad back and is at what should be his peak, no thanks. Give me a good young guy like Curry to build around.

I don't know if its worth it but his play on the court is certainly significantly higher than Curry's. And Curry isn't that young. Three years younger than Lebron, two years younger than Howard, two years younger than Paul, five years older than Davis, four years older than Irving, a year older than Love Durant and Westbrook, two years older than Harden. Of the top 15 or so "assets" in the NBA, hes right about the median age.

 

[EYLive]

And nobody is taking into consideration Curry's ####ty ankles that kept him out most of last year and are constantly a problem.

There's always a fear that his next sprain is just around the corner.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Elite PG > Elite Center in today's NBA. Low post game in the NBA is dead.

Give me a good young guy like Curry to build around.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

don't know if its worth it but his play on the court is certainly significantly higher than Curry's. And Curry isn't that young. Three years younger than Lebron, two years younger than Howard, two years younger than Paul, five years older than Davis, four years older than Irving, a year older than Love Durant and Westbrook, two years older than Harden. Of the top 15 or so "assets" in the NBA, hes right about the median age.

Significantly higher before he had back surgery, yes. Definitely not at a higher level this season. If Howard gets back to his 07-11 self, then it is a different story but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that he does. Curry should also be improving over the next couple year as he approaches his prime.

I don't think the gap will be that significant going forward that taking Curry over Howard (and his terrible attitude) would be the wrong move.

 

[pollardsvision]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG.

For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.

Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite.

As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can.

A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

 

[biggamer3]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG.

For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.

Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite.

As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can.

A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

 

[pollardsvision]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG.

For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.

Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite.

As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can.

A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does.

It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation.

Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG.

For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.

Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite.

As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can.

A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does.

It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation.

Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

 

[Kev4029]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG. For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite. As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can. A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does. It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation. Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

An elementary offensive game that scores better than any center in the league other than Lopez and Jefferson. And you're comparing him to a player with big time injury risks himself. Curry could shred up his ankle tomorrow night and never be right again.

 

[pollardsvision]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG.

For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.

Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite.

As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can.

A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does.

It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation.

Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

Mostly, I'm just of the mind that this situation was bound to be a trainwreck from the get go. Initially, he didn't want to go to LA. He ended up caving in and I'm sure playing with Kobe and a bunch of old, slow dudes and no shooters was just as miserable as he originally thought it'd be.

I'm hoping he'll actually take the opportunity he's about to get to, for the first time in his career, actually choose where he wants to play. He delayed that a year when he stupidly caved in to pressure and waived his opt-out with ORL.

If Howard picks the right situation, I assume we'll see dominant Howard again.

Of course, there's the very real chance he'll do something stupid like sign with the Lakers and screw it all up though. He doesn't have a good track record of doing the right thing in these situations.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG. For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite. As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can. A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does. It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation. Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

An elementary offensive game that scores better than any center in the league other than Lopez and Jefferson. And you're comparing him to a player with big time injury risks himself. Curry could shred up his ankle tomorrow night and never be right again.

And a guy that you can't let touch the ball towards the end of a game. A guy that has had all of his shooting numbers decline over the last few seasons. And those numbers are only going to continue to decline as he loses his explosiveness.

I'd rather take my chances with 'bad ankle' over '7 footer who just had back surgery'.

 

[tommyGunZ]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG. For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite. As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can. A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does. It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation. Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

An elementary offensive game that scores better than any center in the league other than Lopez and Jefferson. And you're comparing him to a player with big time injury risks himself. Curry could shred up his ankle tomorrow night and never be right again.

And a guy that you can't let touch the ball towards the end of a game. A guy that has had all of his shooting numbers decline over the last few seasons. And those numbers are only going to continue to decline as he loses his explosiveness.

I'd rather take my chances with 'bad ankle' over '7 footer who just had back surgery'.

Insane in the membrane.

 

[biggamer3]

With Houston offering no state income tax that is sure to make up much of the extra salary the Lakers can offer him, how could Dwight not go to Houston to play with harden for the next five years?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG. For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite. As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can. A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does. It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation. Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

An elementary offensive game that scores better than any center in the league other than Lopez and Jefferson. And you're comparing him to a player with big time injury risks himself. Curry could shred up his ankle tomorrow night and never be right again.

And a guy that you can't let touch the ball towards the end of a game. A guy that has had all of his shooting numbers decline over the last few seasons. And those numbers are only going to continue to decline as he loses his explosiveness.

I'd rather take my chances with 'bad ankle' over '7 footer who just had back surgery'.

Insane in the membrane.

Maybe. Maybe he returns to his play of a few years ago. Maybe his troubles this year were because he wasn't allowed to touch the ball and not his back. Maybe he returns to being the top defensive player in the league.

Or maybe the back surgery permanently slowed him down and he continues to decline. Guess we'll have to see.

 

[Premier]

I had forgot Dwight waived his opt out only to demand a trade a few weeks later.



Man is he a loon.

 

[matuski]

Spurs sweep GSW next round, take Memphis out in conf finals in 6.

Miami wins NBA championship in 7.

 

[tommyGunZ]

With Houston offering no state income tax that is sure to make up much of the extra salary the Lakers can offer him, how could Dwight not go to Houston to play with harden for the next five years?

B/c it's Houston. And endorsements in LA likely make up for most of the tax advantages Texas may have.

 

[tommyGunZ]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG. For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite. As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can. A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does. It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation. Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

An elementary offensive game that scores better than any center in the league other than Lopez and Jefferson. And you're comparing him to a player with big time injury risks himself. Curry could shred up his ankle tomorrow night and never be right again.

And a guy that you can't let touch the ball towards the end of a game. A guy that has had all of his shooting numbers decline over the last few seasons. And those numbers are only going to continue to decline as he loses his explosiveness.

I'd rather take my chances with 'bad ankle' over '7 footer who just had back surgery'.

Insane in the membrane.

Maybe. Maybe he returns to his play of a few years ago. Maybe his troubles this year were because he wasn't allowed to touch the ball and not his back. Maybe he returns to being the top defensive player in the league.

Or maybe the back surgery permanently slowed him down and he continues to decline. Guess we'll have to see.

He hasn't "permanently slowed down". That's obvious to anyone who watched him this year. He was a different player after the All Star break, even with the torn labrum.

 

[Premier]

@WojYahooNBA: The NBA committees have voted no to relocation of Kings to Seattle, sources tell Y! Sports.

Wow

 

[Cliff Clavin]

That's exactly why an athletic, elite C is still more valuable than an elite PG. For however the NBA has changed, it's still Isaiah that was the last PG to win a title as the team's clear best player. Now, that's more coincidence and semantics than anything, but it's still true.Champions usually have a dominant perimeter player that has the ball in his hands a lot though. Curry's problem is those guys usually aren't defensive liabilities, and usually very much the opposite. As good as Curry is, I highly doubt he'll ever win a title as his team's best player. Howard absolutely can. A healthy Howard on the right team can be a tremendous mismatch in today's game. I would kill to see what Howard and Harden could do together.

Disagree. Howard led teams when he was at the peak of his powers went to the Title once and didnt have a chance to win it all. Howard needs another superstar to win it all, as does most every NBA player these days.

He does. It's just if I'm starting a team and have a choice of Howard or Curry, I'm taking Howard with no hesitation. Not to say Curry's replaceable, but he's far more replaceable than Howard. There are far more undersized, no-defense G's out there that can shoot, score, and create than there are athletic bigs that change the game defensively and can score.

In most cases, yes. But when that big has already had back surgery, has mental makeup of a two year old and still has an elementary offensive game, the highly efficient PG is a better choice IMO.

An elementary offensive game that scores better than any center in the league other than Lopez and Jefferson. And you're comparing him to a player with big time injury risks himself. Curry could shred up his ankle tomorrow night and never be right again.

And a guy that you can't let touch the ball towards the end of a game. A guy that has had all of his shooting numbers decline over the last few seasons. And those numbers are only going to continue to decline as he loses his explosiveness.

I'd rather take my chances with 'bad ankle' over '7 footer who just had back surgery'.

Insane in the membrane.

Maybe. Maybe he returns to his play of a few years ago. Maybe his troubles this year were because he wasn't allowed to touch the ball and not his back. Maybe he returns to being the top defensive player in the league.

Or maybe the back surgery permanently slowed him down and he continues to decline. Guess we'll have to see.

He hasn't "permanently slowed down". That's obvious to anyone who watched him this year. He was a different player after the All Star break, even with the torn labrum.

I watched plenty. I'm rooting for him to re-sign with LA Perfect place for him.

 

[Abraham]

As a rockets fan I would love to have him. I won't make the case that Houston is the same as la on any level. I hate the city of Houston and my two trips ever to la have been sensational.

But to suggest the endorsement opportunities in la are enough to make up for the tax savings in Houston is ludicrous. The guy isn't going to be shilling for Pete's fish market. His extra cash is nationwide or even worldwide.

I expect Houston to to after him hardcore and not than a couple journalists have suggested its the best place for him. And Houston actually has assets to trade to build the right team around Howard whereas the lakers do not.

Without making any moves Houston will have 12 million available. If they waive all no-guaranteed the room jumps to 16.42 and that's without the cap increasing. Assuming a 60 million cap the rockets will have between 13.5 and 18 million, which is not enough for Howard (20.51 million) or Paul (18.67), but it's close enough that lakers fans and clippers fans should take note.

Lin and Asik count for a little over 8 million each.

 

[saintfool]

@WojYahooNBA: The NBA committees have voted no to relocation of Kings to Seattle, sources tell Y! Sports.Wow

I though Kevin johnson's knees were the reason he ended his career. Well done, Sacramento!

 

[Abraham]

Pacers or wolves to Seattle?

 

[Major]

Pacers or wolves to Seattle?

Bucks

 

[Abraham]

Garcia getting the start tonight with harden at power forwar.

 

[thecatch]

Garcia getting the start tonight with harden at power forwar.

He would have a nice career if he had been drafted by SA or Boston. I think he can still be useful for the Rockets - smart player and can shoot threes.

 

[Premier]

I can't believe it's 2013 and I'm still watching a playoff game with Derek Fisher involved.

 

[Abraham]

Chandler parsons is really good.

 

[Abraham]

Durant hurt. :(

 

[Abraham]

Seems okay.

 

[Abraham]

Patrick Beverly is better than Jeremy Lin. There. I said it. A

 

[Kev4029]

Patrick Beverly is better than Jeremy Lin. There. I said it. A

Not much of an accomplishment.

Rockets are looking good right now.

 

[thecatch]

Patrick Beverly is better than Jeremy Lin. There. I said it. A

Aaron Brooks isn't.

 

[the moops]

And endorsements in LA likely make up for most of the tax advantages Texas may have.

I'm not sure this is true anymore. A superstar is a superstar. I dont think being in LA matters when you are a national/international figure. Maybe I am wrong, but I am wondering what sorts of endorsements would he get in LA, that he wouldn't get in Houston?

 

[Txns8]

Chandler parsons is really good.

Kevin Durant is really good.

 

[sporthenry]

These offensive fouls have been quite ridiculous. I am a fan of calling offensive fouls but at some point, the offense is entitled to some space.