*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[Craig_MiamiFL]

One of the all-time great Game 7 choke jobs in NBA playoff history by the Nets.

Bulls down 3 starters and go into their house and win.

At Kerr explaining the Nets' needs. This team plays with no heart and zero passion. This team is ####ed. Enjoy those contracts!

 

[Juxtatarot]

Go Bulls!

(I don't know why I want them to win so bad when they'll just lose in 4 or 5 to the Heat.)

And now, the Miami Heat!

 

[QuizGuy66]

Thank you Bulls.

Suck it Brooklyn.

Love NJ

-QG

 

[Raider Nation]

Rose was the key to Chicago advancing. The impact of his vocal support is immeasurable.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Rose was the key to Chicago advancing. The impact of his vocal support is immeasurable.

Rose playoff jersey.

 

[Raider Nation]

Would be the greatest thing EVER if they win it all with him sitting there in dress shoes.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Maybe Deron will can cry for more help

Par for the course for him.

 

[Britney Spears]

Freaking love watching Noah. Best center in the league?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Yes. And not close for me. No one in the league will ever outwork the guy. The guy can dominate without having a single play ran for him. Not a single thing on the court he doesn't do well. Unreal effort by him when it mattered. ------------------------Love seeing the discussion for what the Nets need: Heart, Passion, more bad contracts. Too bad Deron can't be as local on the court as he is off. Maybe they fire PJ and hire Sloan. Oh wait...

 

[Christo]

DA BULLS!

 

[Green94]

Joakim played out of his mind in game 7. Ugly series but Thibs coaches the hell out of this team.

Declare Rose out for the remainder of the season and let these guys have fun in the 4 or 5 games they play against Miami.

 

[thecatch]

Freaking love watching Noah. Best center in the league?

Dunno but lots of good center play in the playoffs so far (bogut, asik, gasol, Noah)

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Heat 4-2 vs the Bulls, they always give the Heat fitz.

 

[Britney Spears]

Jay-Z can't be pleased.

They just extended Billy King too. Oops.

 

[scoobus]

Jay-Z can't be pleased.

They just extended Billy King too. Oops.

I'm pretty sure he's selling his shares to become an agent.

 

[biggamer3]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

 

[Premier]

Nets future looks horrendous. No draft picks, stuck with JJ and Wallace. Ick.

 

[Balco]

Nets future looks horrendous. No draft picks, stuck with JJ and Wallace. Ick.

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They really squandered a great opportunity with all of the cap space they had. Joe Johnson deal was abysmal, he is a solid player, but not worth close to the money he is making. And we have all gone over the Wallace deal. Why would a terrible team like the Nets were, trade a high first rounder for a player they could have signed as a free agent 6 months later? That was the strangest deal.

Brook Lopez stayed healthy and proved he was an upper echelon center. And Deron Williams is a very talented point guard. But due to Johnson and Wallace, they won't be able to make any meaningful deals.

 

[thecatch]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

 

[Premier]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era. JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

 

[pollardsvision]

As I said before the season, the Nets are the new Hawks.

After being horrible, that's not a terrible place to be. It'll just get old in a few years.

I didn't know the Hawks would also be the new Hawks.

 

[Abraham]

Twenty hour months ago it seemed conceivable that Wallace could be the fourth best player on a contender. Not anymore. That pick could have been Drummond or Barnes, both of whom would have helped for a lot less money.

 

[Kev4029]

Twenty hour months ago it seemed conceivable that Wallace could be the fourth best player on a contender. Not anymore. That pick could have been Drummond or Barnes, both of whom would have helped for a lot less money.

I think giving that pick away for nothing would have been more helpful.

 

[Balco]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

 

[Premier]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

The East is getting worse, not better. NY and BOS are ageing. ATL is a wild card but if they don't land a big FA, they're nothing more than average.

Outside of MIA, CHI and IND, there aren't any good teams. A 4 seed is completely conceivable for next year.

ETA: Not that being a mediocre 4 seed would be anything to get excited about when there is zero chance of getting better.

 

[biggamer3]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)

Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Heat 4-2 vs the Bulls, they always give the Heat fitz.

Like two years ago when the Bulls had home court, but the Heat still dispatched of them in five games?

 

[biggamer3]

Twenty hour months ago it seemed conceivable that Wallace could be the fourth best player on a contender. Not anymore. That pick could have been Drummond or Barnes, both of whom would have helped for a lot less money.

I think giving that pick away for nothing would have been more helpful.

Literally the one trade where 100% of fans were like "WTF, that has to be a mistake, or its the Rockets pick the nets owned thats out of lottery"

Honestly have no idea how someone can just give away a very valuable draft pick for nothing and still get a 4 year extension after trading for Joe Johnson and resigning Wallace for 4/40. Also another bonehead move by King was him dealing a 1st rounder in the JJ deal, are you FREAKING KIDDING ME!?! The Hawks were praying anyone takes that albatross of a contract off their hands, how the FFFFFFFFF do you also give them an asset?!

This is not hindsight, i was perplexed to these things at the time. I swear, i feel me and my buds could have put the Nets in a better winning position than Billy King.

Going on Nets sites can be so dumb, I hate when fans never want to see reality and defend these moves, most Nets fans will say "they werent getting Lilliard with Deron so its irrelevant" yeah drafting Barnes or Drummond would have totally been worse than trading for Gerald.

 

[Balco]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team.

The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

 

[Kev4029]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)

Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

I agree that they shouldn't have played Evans that much, Kris Humphries is a very good rebounder (not anywhere near Evans, but still a top 10 rebounder at PF in the league) and would have picked up much of the slack from Lopez and offers some offensive game.

As for Evans, for his career he has never averaged 10 mpg in a season and this season was the 6th in which he averaged at least 20 mpg (he averaged 24.6 mpg this season). He should have a solid place in the Nets rotation, just probably closer to 15 mpg rather than 25.

 

[biggamer3]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)

Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

I agree that they shouldn't have played Evans that much, Kris Humphries is a very good rebounder (not anywhere near Evans, but still a top 10 rebounder at PF in the league) and would have picked up much of the slack from Lopez and offers some offensive game.

As for Evans, for his career he has never averaged 10 mpg in a season and this season was the 6th in which he averaged at least 20 mpg (he averaged 24.6 mpg this season). He should have a solid place in the Nets rotation, just probably closer to 15 mpg rather than 25.

Evans was barely getting much run under Avery for the first 20 games, under PJ his number was way higher than the 24 mins i believe. Blatch averaged like 18 mins a game. HOW THE F does that make sense? I know I am venting here, but my god, how can this idiot coach not have seen that more Blatche, less Evans was a better thing for the team?

Nets had a solid complement of players who had talent wasting away on the bench such as Marshawn Brooks, Teletovic, and this other Euro player who looked good in a few spurts of action. He would never adjust at all. JJ obviously was banged up and didnt have it last night, how about subbing in an effective Brooks to play a little more since this is a do or die game?

I know this would create drama since round one was filled with that, but I believe Jerry Sloan would be an awesome fit with this team. I think him and Deron's issues were overblown and he had fights with management more than personal issues with Deron in Utah.

 

[Balco]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)

Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

I agree that they shouldn't have played Evans that much, Kris Humphries is a very good rebounder (not anywhere near Evans, but still a top 10 rebounder at PF in the league) and would have picked up much of the slack from Lopez and offers some offensive game.

As for Evans, for his career he has never averaged 10 mpg in a season and this season was the 6th in which he averaged at least 20 mpg (he averaged 24.6 mpg this season). He should have a solid place in the Nets rotation, just probably closer to 15 mpg rather than 25.

Evans was barely getting much run under Avery for the first 20 games, under PJ his number was way higher than the 24 mins i believe. Blatch averaged like 18 mins a game. HOW THE F does that make sense? I know I am venting here, but my god, how can this idiot coach not have seen that more Blatche, less Evans was a better thing for the team?

Nets had a solid complement of players who had talent wasting away on the bench such as Marshawn Brooks, Teletovic, and this other Euro player who looked good in a few spurts of action. He would never adjust at all. JJ obviously was banged up and didnt have it last night, how about subbing in an effective Brooks to play a little more since this is a do or die game?

I know this would create drama since round one was filled with that, but I believe Jerry Sloan would be an awesome fit with this team. I think him and Deron's issues were overblown and he had fights with management more than personal issues with Deron in Utah.

From what I have read, that is not the case. Deron and Sloan had serious issues with one another.

 

[Premier]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun. I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

 

[biggamer3]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)

Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

I agree that they shouldn't have played Evans that much, Kris Humphries is a very good rebounder (not anywhere near Evans, but still a top 10 rebounder at PF in the league) and would have picked up much of the slack from Lopez and offers some offensive game.

As for Evans, for his career he has never averaged 10 mpg in a season and this season was the 6th in which he averaged at least 20 mpg (he averaged 24.6 mpg this season). He should have a solid place in the Nets rotation, just probably closer to 15 mpg rather than 25.

Evans was barely getting much run under Avery for the first 20 games, under PJ his number was way higher than the 24 mins i believe. Blatch averaged like 18 mins a game. HOW THE F does that make sense? I know I am venting here, but my god, how can this idiot coach not have seen that more Blatche, less Evans was a better thing for the team?

Nets had a solid complement of players who had talent wasting away on the bench such as Marshawn Brooks, Teletovic, and this other Euro player who looked good in a few spurts of action. He would never adjust at all. JJ obviously was banged up and didnt have it last night, how about subbing in an effective Brooks to play a little more since this is a do or die game?

I know this would create drama since round one was filled with that, but I believe Jerry Sloan would be an awesome fit with this team. I think him and Deron's issues were overblown and he had fights with management more than personal issues with Deron in Utah.

From what I have read, that is not the case. Deron and Sloan had serious issues with one another.

There has not been much clarity to what exactly happened, I always thought D Will was the media scapegoat but that Sloan had bad blood with the owners son or something who took over.

Either way, if they have personal issues then obviously Sloan wouldnt come, but if he comes, he really can make these Nets into a top 3 seed next year. Knicks are worse off for the future then the Nets especially if JR leaves them which he most likely will since he will get bigger offers that Knicks cant match.

Brook Lopez is only 25 years old, he can continue to get better. His defense and offense this year improved mightily from the two years prior. Deron should be playing at a high caliber for another 3 years, and hopefully they snag something good in the draft this year at like pick 20.

 

[biggamer3]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun.I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

Vucevic, Tobias are the only two real assets that should be built around. Harkless and Nicholson are not more than future role players IMO. You snag a top player like Mclemore or Burke this year and another in 14 and boom you guys are gonna be fun to watch.

 

[Premier]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun.I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

Vucevic, Tobias are the only two real assets that should be built around. Harkless and Nicholson are not more than future role players IMO. You snag a top player like Mclemore or Burke this year and another in 14 and boom you guys are gonna be fun to watch.

I agree with all of this. I think Vuc is a top-3 player on a good team. Not a lot of centers that can rebound and score like him. Hark and Nicholson are definitely role players. I feel like Harkless can carve out a defensive specialist role. Pretty much all Nicholson can do is score.

 

[biggamer3]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun.I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

Vucevic, Tobias are the only two real assets that should be built around. Harkless and Nicholson are not more than future role players IMO. You snag a top player like Mclemore or Burke this year and another in 14 and boom you guys are gonna be fun to watch.

I agree with all of this. I think Vuc is a top-3 player on a good team. Not a lot of centers that can rebound and score like him.Hark and Nicholson are definitely role players. I feel like Harkless can carve out a defensive specialist role. Pretty much all Nicholson can do is score.

Who you want them to take, Noel? I feel like Ben or Trey are good fits to run a young team with no pressure. banged up bigs always scare me.

They should find a team that wants Afflalo and get something for him, the Magic dont need him at all. They need to suck for another season or two, might as well give all young guys extra burn .

 

[Kev4029]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun.I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

Vucevic, Tobias are the only two real assets that should be built around. Harkless and Nicholson are not more than future role players IMO. You snag a top player like Mclemore or Burke this year and another in 14 and boom you guys are gonna be fun to watch.

I agree with all of this. I think Vuc is a top-3 player on a good team. Not a lot of centers that can rebound and score like him.Hark and Nicholson are definitely role players. I feel like Harkless can carve out a defensive specialist role. Pretty much all Nicholson can do is score.

Doing 14 points per 36 minutes and 13 rebounds per 36 minutes isn't all that rare. Once you add in the fact that he scores very inefficiently and isn't much to look at on the defensive end, its even less impressive. He is young and improved a lot this year, so he'll likely be much better in a few years than he is now, but today nearly every team in the NBA has a big that can replicate similar numbers.

 

[thecatch]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ. Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs) Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

IIRC the teams rebounding rate absolutely tanked when Evans wasn't on the floor. There's just no way around that.

 

[biggamer3]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ. Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs) Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

IIRC the teams rebounding rate absolutely tanked when Evans wasn't on the floor. There's just no way around that.

would like to see that as well as the Nets pts per 100 Possessions with Evans on the floor and with him off, and their defensive metrics.

But even those stats are somewhat not that informative since Evans always played with Deron and Lopez on the floor and the backups came in when he went out.

 

[sporthenry]

Oof. Start of the OKC/Memphis game. Maybe the NBA should have given them an extra day.

 

[Txns8]

OKC fans still standing.....

 

[Britney Spears]

Nets future looks horrendous. No draft picks, stuck with JJ and Wallace. Ick.

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders. They really squandered a great opportunity with all of the cap space they had. Joe Johnson deal was abysmal, he is a solid player, but not worth close to the money he is making. And we have all gone over the Wallace deal. Why would a terrible team like the Nets were, trade a high first rounder for a player they could have signed as a free agent 6 months later? That was the strangest deal. Brook Lopez stayed healthy and proved he was an upper echelon center. And Deron Williams is a very talented point guard. But due to Johnson and Wallace, they won't be able to make any meaningful deals.

This sure sounds horrendous to me. If the Bobcats were contracted, they would be in the running for worst run franchise at this point. It's been downhill since the second they got Deron Williams.

 

[Britney Spears]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

And it's not close.

 

[thecatch]

Not exactly breaking news, but Perkins is terrible.

 

[Abraham]

Pj fired.

 

[Britney Spears]

Russell Westbrook's greatness is being highlighted and underscored today.

 

[Britney Spears]

Pj fired.

I was laughing earlier that ESPN was "reporting" that Carlesimos future was uncertain. I guess this won out over the "Miami Heat might be the favorites" article.

 

[CurlyNight]

So Carlisimo is fired as coach of Nets. Why is it that when a team loses in the playoffs, it's the coaches fault and not the players who sucked?? Only coaches like Phil Jackson, Pop---the greats don't get fired.