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CurlyNight
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Do you have any other favorite NBA teams, or just San Antonio and Miami?Both about equal.
Haralabos saying it was Jack, not Barnes, that left Ginobili. Absolutely no rational or sensible reason to do that.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Rewatched it. Even more surprising the dude has almost a full beer. How the hell do you still have beer left after double OT game. Beer sales have been done for an hour.
got_nugs
Footballguy
Birdman FTWBoth about equal.
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
I've been a SA & Miami fan for years. I abandoned Lakers long ago when the real Kobeme came out.Do you have any other favorite NBA teams, or just San Antonio and Miami?Both about equal.
Haralabos saying it was Jack, not Barnes, that left Ginobili. Absolutely no rational or sensible reason to do that.
Life is tough for Spurs, Heat, and Lakers fan. May have gone without a championship team once or twice in the past decade.
Makes sense though since all 3 cities are all so close together.
Makes sense though since all 3 cities are all so close together.
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
I don't know. I took Donaghy at face value and then the fact that after this came out, people poured through games and really couldn't find too much, I tend to believe he just bet based on the other refs.
As far as fixing games in general, there was one player (I think Brad Miller although it might have been Scot Pollard) but he pretty much said that while he thinks the Kings were screwed, in order for it to be a fix, it would have to go through too many channels for nothing to come out at this point. I just can't see Stern calling Bavetta and I tend to go with the most likely scenario which is just the refs are humans.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
What if the Bulls beat the Heat? Follow the Bulls?It is because now the Heat and Spurs have more serious contenders than before!
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
WYFGP?
CurlyNight
Footballguy
No... Wasn't a bulls fan when it was Jordan era... Have only liked 3 teams and now it's down to 2. Why is that weird? Everyone just likes 1 team? You can't like more than 1 because of players and/or coaches?What if the Bulls beat the Heat? Follow the Bulls?It is because now the Heat and Spurs have more serious contenders than before!
Moe.
Footballguy
Read through this and let me know if you still think that. The idea that a guy who had a gambling addiction bet on games and then reffed them straight-up is laughable to me.
Also, a lot of the strategies that he allegedly relied on as far as other refs are concerned (Bavetta likes to keep games close, Javie hates Iverson, etc.) have been shown to not really be true.
No. 16
Footballguy
I'm drained after this game. Don't ever re-call feeling this way after watching a basketball game.
On one hand most people didn't think the Warriors would win this game, much less have a 16 point lead with 4:30 left.
On the other hand we had a 16 point lead with 4:30 to go and lost it! 18-2!!!! 18-2!!!!
####. Really. ####. 40+/10+ from Curry, beastly game from Klay and Barnes and we still lose. Spurs in 5.
We wins this game and the Dubs win the series. Losing a close game or even a blow out is better than squandering a 16 point lead on the road.
Oh well. We won 2 games in the Denver series because of Jack, we've now lost 1 because of him and Mark Jackson's refusal to call a time out until the lead went down to 8. You call a timeout at 12- or 10 points.... not AFTER they cut it down to single digits! Also where the #### was Bogut?!!!
FUUUUUCCCK!!!!!
On one hand most people didn't think the Warriors would win this game, much less have a 16 point lead with 4:30 left.
On the other hand we had a 16 point lead with 4:30 to go and lost it! 18-2!!!! 18-2!!!!
####. Really. ####. 40+/10+ from Curry, beastly game from Klay and Barnes and we still lose. Spurs in 5.
We wins this game and the Dubs win the series. Losing a close game or even a blow out is better than squandering a 16 point lead on the road.
Oh well. We won 2 games in the Denver series because of Jack, we've now lost 1 because of him and Mark Jackson's refusal to call a time out until the lead went down to 8. You call a timeout at 12- or 10 points.... not AFTER they cut it down to single digits! Also where the #### was Bogut?!!!
FUUUUUCCCK!!!!!
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Give me a break. Just a few posts up a Heat fan is complaining about how "Lebron got mugged all night and didn't complain." Never mind that Lebron whined the entire night or that the Heat abused the Bulls on the other end all night. What this shows is that Heat fans are used to seeing their team get all the calls. Lebron and Wade whined and complained and threw fits all night. They're not used to not getting calls every time someone looks at them funny. In last year's playoffs the Pacers won the first two physical games where the refs called straight games and let them play playoff basketball. Then magically the Reffing crews that called the most fouls got assigned to the games and the foul disparity got lopsided. The same thing will happen here. I mean, remember earlier this season where Lebron went like 4 or 5 games without getting a foul called on him?
matuski
Footballguy
Fell asleep damnit... apparently they gave GSW a longer leash than I thought before they decided to reel 'em back in.
On to the sweep.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Such an amazing night.
It still blows my mind that there are so many people out there that would rather watch the NCAA tournament.
Watching Curry and Noah beat a bunch of 19 YOs was cute, but nothing compared to watching them try to take down an old and new NBA dynasty, respectively.
It still blows my mind that there are so many people out there that would rather watch the NCAA tournament.
Watching Curry and Noah beat a bunch of 19 YOs was cute, but nothing compared to watching them try to take down an old and new NBA dynasty, respectively.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah, but the flip side is that this sort of night doesn't happen very often and the process is far too long. The playoffs started more than two weeks ago and the only even that had any bearing on who would win the title before last night was the Westbrook injury. The entire NCAA tournament takes place during approximately the same amount of time between the start of these NBA playoffs and their first interesting results.
Abraham
Footballguy
Just looked at the 2007 draft. The top 9 is loaded with good players. Only Yijinianling and Wright are borderline useless. Oden was hurt and still may have a future, Conley and Brewer are important for their teams, NOah and Horford are key members of their teams, and Durant is a stud.
First interesting results? We just had a bunch of great first round series.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Not only do they always play music but its always terrible. The ingame music has been atrocious at Spurs games since i was a young'n.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Your post doesnt do the game or series justice GB. This one ranks up there with the alltime crazy Spurs games. Hope you had the DVR rolling and go back to check it out.
matuski
Footballguy
You guys are crazy, the Spurs always crank out awesome stuff.
Exhibit A:
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
That was a very clear and1 opportunity for Jack that was not called that would have put GSW up 1 with :20 seconds left in OT1 instead of being tied.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Interesting with respect to who wins the title, not just interesting because they're good games or series. None of the "great" first rounders had any real relevance to who wins it all, other than maybe the Clips/Grizz. The champ is gonna either be the Heat, Spurs, Grizz, with the Thunder or Knicks/Pacers having a very very small shot at it. At any point did you really think any of those teams was in serious danger of not advancing (again, other than maybe the Grizzlies)? Contrast it with the NCAA tournament, where possible champions are eliminated constantly and are in danger of elimination even more.
I'm a former college basketball guy who's been fully converted to the NBA, so you don't have to convince me which game is better. But to say you can't understand why people would prefer a single elimination tournament decided over 18 days to a playoff structure that takes two months? Where the three week long first round could probably be eliminated because the champ always comes from the top four seeds? I mean, I prefer the NBA playoffs too, but I can certainly see how fans would prefer the NCAA show.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Granted. I fell asleep at the end of the third down 12 with little doubt the Spurs would pull it out.
So perhaps I'm selling the game short... but as poorly as the Spurs played for 3 quarters, with a sick Duncan (I didn't even know this till today) - I don't think GSW sees daylight again in the series.
Curry is awesome, but at some point too many bad shots is going to catch up to you....the player GSW needs to get more involved is Barnes imo.
Premier
Footballguy
I miss half the playoff games because they start so late. I'm sure last nights game was great but I'll be damned if I am staying up till 1 am to watch it. Plus at this point the ncaa tournament was about to wrap up. Nba just getting started. It's a looooooooooooooooooong process.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
Supposedly they were switching on every screen on that play.Barnes didn't switch because he thought he had fought through the screen and didn't need to switch.Good Posting Judge, on 07 May 2013 - 00:25, said:
Do you have any other favorite NBA teams, or just San Antonio and Miami?Haralabos saying it was Jack, not Barnes, that left Ginobili. Absolutely no rational or sensible reason to do that.
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I'm not saying that its ridiculous that anyone would prefer the single elimination style tournament, but there's a lot of meaningless games in the ncaa tournament as well, if our criteria is whether the ultimate national champion is affected (which I think is a poor definition of interesting, at least as a big fan of the sport).
Watching sports on the east coast sucks. I've had to do a lot of dvr-ing with these late games.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Not that many actually. Maybe the 8-9, 7-10 and 6-11 games in the first round and that's usually it.
Anyway, you see my point. I've been totally converted to the NBA game over the college game to the point. Hell I even watched a few minutes of Hawks-Pacers in the first round without contemplating suicide. But they're two totally different things on two totally different timelines.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And some of us congratulated the Bulls, blow out your bill.Give me a break. Just a few posts up a Heat fan is complaining about how "Lebron got mugged all night and didn't complain." Never mind that Lebron whined the entire night or that the Heat abused the Bulls on the other end all night. What this shows is that Heat fans are used to seeing their team get all the calls. Lebron and Wade whined and complained and threw fits all night. They're not used to not getting calls every time someone looks at them funny.In last year's playoffs the Pacers won the first two physical games where the refs called straight games and let them play playoff basketball. Then magically the Reffing crews that called the most fouls got assigned to the games and the foul disparity got lopsided. The same thing will happen here. I mean, remember earlier this season where Lebron went like 4 or 5 games without getting a foul called on him?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Poor choice of words from me. Of course, it makes sense that the NCAA tourney is exciting for a lot of people.Single elimination and a format custom built for Sue in accounting to get excited.Just not for me (unless the Heels are making a run)
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't think thatGive me a break. Just a few posts up a Heat fan is complaining about how "Lebron got mugged all night and didn't complain." Never mind that Lebron whined the entire night or that the Heat abused the Bulls on the other end all night. What this shows is that Heat fans are used to seeing their team get all the calls. Lebron and Wade whined and complained and threw fits all night. They're not used to not getting calls every time someone looks at them funny.In last year's playoffs the Pacers won the first two physical games where the refs called straight games and let them play playoff basketball. Then magically the Reffing crews that called the most fouls got assigned to the games and the foul disparity got lopsided. The same thing will happen here. I mean, remember earlier this season where Lebron went like 4 or 5 games without getting a foul called on him?
at the end of your post is gonna come across as you intended. This is hilariously bad. I mean, all ref conspiracy theories are hilariously bad. But the idea that the refs would conspire to advance LeBron over the Chicago Bulls, the only NBA team in the third-largest market in the country? And that the only reason the Heat beat the Pacers last tear was because of foul calls? And you also got your facts wrong because the Heat won game 1 of that series? is right
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Bishop
Footballguy
I'll ask you the same question I asked Tim. Do you think NBA superstars get preferential treatment?I don't think that
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I'm not Tim or Tobias, but I do think the refs can be influenced by the reputation of a player and, yes, superstars are more likely to get calls than scrubs. However, I think it is due to human error, not some type of conspiracy.I'll ask you the same question I asked Tim. Do you think NBA superstars get preferential treatment?I don't think that
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Not really. They might get a tiny bit of benefit thanks to some subconscious bias of the refs, but 95% of what people complain about is actually because the superstars are just that- superstars. They're better than everyone else so they beat them to spots and know how to draw contact on the offensive end and avoid fouls on the defensive end.I'll ask you the same question I asked Tim. Do you think NBA superstars get preferential treatment?I don't think that
But regardless, there's a huge difference between "superstars get calls" and "the league conspired to help LeBron's team win a six game series that they dominated, and are now conspiring to advance them over one of the most popular large market teams in the league." One is debatable, the other is stupid.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff is pretty silly.
That would make about as much sense as shooting someone over a pack of gum. The catastrophic downside just doesn't justify any minor, short-term benefit.
That would make about as much sense as shooting someone over a pack of gum. The catastrophic downside just doesn't justify any minor, short-term benefit.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Exactly. Makes no sense at all.pollardsvision said:
I mean, two days ago we had Knicks fans whining about getting screwed over by the refs. The New York Knicks. Whose best player is the current league scoring champion. That would have to be the worst-executed conspiracy in the history of conspiracies.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
In the shocking news of the day, Phil wants no part of NJ.
The funniest thing about this is the Nets are gonna end up with a retread and/or someone desperate to coach again that won't put up any better Win% as PJ did. The coach isn't the problem, it's having a GM that caves into what his best player wants and now a team of overpaid lackadaisical players.
A source tells the New York Post that Phil Jackson is not interested in the Nets' coaching vacancy.
In fact, the Post's source says Jackson is not interested in returning to coaching at all. We're not buying that, however, because the Zen Master did consider the Lakers' job when Mike Brown was fired five games into the season. Still, the most likely destination for Jackson is a Pat Riley role with a franchise of his choosing. He reportedly wants to oversee basketball operations, managing both the coaching staff and the players without the day-to-day hassles of coaching.
The funniest thing about this is the Nets are gonna end up with a retread and/or someone desperate to coach again that won't put up any better Win% as PJ did. The coach isn't the problem, it's having a GM that caves into what his best player wants and now a team of overpaid lackadaisical players.
A source tells the New York Post that Phil Jackson is not interested in the Nets' coaching vacancy.
In fact, the Post's source says Jackson is not interested in returning to coaching at all. We're not buying that, however, because the Zen Master did consider the Lakers' job when Mike Brown was fired five games into the season. Still, the most likely destination for Jackson is a Pat Riley role with a franchise of his choosing. He reportedly wants to oversee basketball operations, managing both the coaching staff and the players without the day-to-day hassles of coaching.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Shaw should finally get an opportunity this offseason.
Saw Larry Brown's made mentioned for the Nets. Guy will be lucky to last 2 seasons with that crew in NJ.
Saw Larry Brown's made mentioned for the Nets.
Guy will be lucky to last 2 seasons with that crew in NJ.
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