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In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
Thanks for making us aware, really appreciate it.
No problem. Enjoy the game!

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
Yeah, I'm sure it's totally a coincidence that you posted a bunch of stuff about how people don't like the NBA the day after your favorite hockey team took a 2-1 lead in the Stanley Cup Finals in a game that aired a cable channel that usually broadcasts rodeos and monster truck races.

 
I hope the Heat win 2 games tonight and close this out. Tonight.

Pretty amazing, this series could come down to a game 7 bounce of the ball, which may decide whether or not ultimately "the blueprint" is remembered as a success or failure and whether or not this team stays together. 1 bounce.
:lmao:

Right, the series loss to the Mavs and the other 2 blowout losses in this series will have nothing to do with that.
If the Heat win on a shot that bounces off the rim, none of that matters, right? Or will you be the only fella in that ghost town barking "BUT WAIT! THE DALLAS SERIES!!!"

If the Heat lose on that same bounce? Sheoit....you won't be able to find a place to stand. The entire country will be in that ghost town, singing to the playing piano, pints in one hand, shooting guns into the ceiling of the saloon in the other, talking about how Miami never was that good, Rileys blueprint was never going to work and the Heat were lucky to catch OKC off-guard to win that one title.

All from 1 bounce. Regardless of how we get to that point.

I find it entertaining. I could be wrong....i'm wrong all the time. Just seems like the Vegas lines reflect people betting against Miami nationwide.

 
I hope the Heat win 2 games tonight and close this out. Tonight.

Pretty amazing, this series could come down to a game 7 bounce of the ball, which may decide whether or not ultimately "the blueprint" is remembered as a success or failure and whether or not this team stays together. 1 bounce.
:lmao:

Right, the series loss to the Mavs and the other 2 blowout losses in this series will have nothing to do with that.
If the Heat win on a shot that bounces off the rim, none of that matters, right? Or will you be the only fella in that ghost town barking "BUT WAIT! THE DALLAS SERIES!!!"

If the Heat lose on that same bounce? Sheoit....you won't be able to find a place to stand. The entire country will be in that ghost town, singing to the playing piano, pints in one hand, shooting guns into the ceiling of the saloon in the other, talking about how Miami never was that good, Rileys blueprint was never going to work and the Heat were lucky to catch OKC off-guard to win that one title.

All from 1 bounce. Regardless of how we get to that point.

I find it entertaining. I could be wrong....i'm wrong all the time. Just seems like the Vegas lines reflect people betting against Miami nationwide.
On the local radio show this morning they were saying the opposite. That everyone is betting on Miami.

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
I hope the Heat hand out pics of Duncan/Parker stabbing him in that Halloween episode.

Why is Crawford here tonight? :lol:

 
I hope the Heat win 2 games tonight and close this out. Tonight.

Pretty amazing, this series could come down to a game 7 bounce of the ball, which may decide whether or not ultimately "the blueprint" is remembered as a success or failure and whether or not this team stays together. 1 bounce.
:lmao:

Right, the series loss to the Mavs and the other 2 blowout losses in this series will have nothing to do with that.
If the Heat win on a shot that bounces off the rim, none of that matters, right? Or will you be the only fella in that ghost town barking "BUT WAIT! THE DALLAS SERIES!!!"

If the Heat lose on that same bounce? Sheoit....you won't be able to find a place to stand. The entire country will be in that ghost town, singing to the playing piano, pints in one hand, shooting guns into the ceiling of the saloon in the other, talking about how Miami never was that good, Rileys blueprint was never going to work and the Heat were lucky to catch OKC off-guard to win that one title.

All from 1 bounce. Regardless of how we get to that point.

I find it entertaining. I could be wrong....i'm wrong all the time. Just seems like the Vegas lines reflect people betting against Miami nationwide.
On the local radio show this morning they were saying the opposite. That everyone is betting on Miami.
For tonight? Yes, I agree. +7 is Vegas begging people to play San Antonio. I don't think it's that way for the series, however.

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.

 
And if you're interested in some counterprogramming after reading that outstanding Ziller column, Frosty has been kind enough to give us the worst column in the history of sportswriting!

ETA: Not really fair to post a Troll Tuesday column without the link that would give as a clue as to what it was, Frosty

:kicksrock:
It's more fun that way.

 
And if you're interested in some counterprogramming after reading that outstanding Ziller column, Frosty has been kind enough to give us the worst column in the history of sportswriting!

ETA: Not really fair to post a Troll Tuesday column without the link that would give as a clue as to what it was, Frosty

:kicksrock:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/65780/hotsportstakes-its-the-ninth-inning-of-his-life-and-lebron-is-striking-out

Every now and then, we will attempt to write the worst sports column on earth. Today: Let's talk about LeBron James and the NBA Finals and history.
 
And if you're interested in some counterprogramming after reading that outstanding Ziller column, Frosty has been kind enough to give us the worst column in the history of sportswriting!

ETA: Not really fair to post a Troll Tuesday column without the link that would give as a clue as to what it was, Frosty

:kicksrock:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/65780/hotsportstakes-its-the-ninth-inning-of-his-life-and-lebron-is-striking-out

Every now and then, we will attempt to write the worst sports column on earth. Today: Let's talk about LeBron James and the NBA Finals and history.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
And if you're interested in some counterprogramming after reading that outstanding Ziller column, Frosty has been kind enough to give us the worst column in the history of sportswriting!

ETA: Not really fair to post a Troll Tuesday column without the link that would give as a clue as to what it was, Frosty

:kicksrock:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/65780/hotsportstakes-its-the-ninth-inning-of-his-life-and-lebron-is-striking-out

Every now and then, we will attempt to write the worst sports column on earth. Today: Let's talk about LeBron James and the NBA Finals and history.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Same guy used to do that shtick over at at SB Nation. They're usually pretty funny.

 
And if you're interested in some counterprogramming after reading that outstanding Ziller column, Frosty has been kind enough to give us the worst column in the history of sportswriting!

ETA: Not really fair to post a Troll Tuesday column without the link that would give as a clue as to what it was, Frosty

:kicksrock:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/65780/hotsportstakes-its-the-ninth-inning-of-his-life-and-lebron-is-striking-out

Every now and then, we will attempt to write the worst sports column on earth. Today: Let's talk about LeBron James and the NBA Finals and history.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Same guy used to do that shtick over at at SB Nation. They're usually pretty funny.
Sounds mighty familiar to a bunch of the posters here.

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.
Without entering myself in the rest of this crazy conversation, I'll say I liked the 80's ball better as well.

Rivalries were better and lasted longer. Nobody tried putting together a "Super team". you never saw flopping, and if you did, not nearly the amount of it you see today... especially LBJ, where's it's completely embarrassing to watch. You didn't see every guy crying for a foul, and guys didn't swing on the rim after a dunk, then run down the floor with their stupid finger over their mouths shushing people in an attempt to look cool.

And that's just off the top of my head.

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.
Without entering myself in the rest of this crazy conversation, I'll say I liked the 80's ball better as well.

Rivalries were better and lasted longer. Nobody tried putting together a "Super team". you never saw flopping, and if you did, not nearly the amount of it you see today... especially LBJ, where's it's completely embarrassing to watch. You didn't see every guy crying for a foul, and guys didn't swing on the rim after a dunk, then run down the floor with their stupid finger over their mouths shushing people in an attempt to look cool.

And that's just off the top of my head.
Interesting points. Counterpoint- basketball players in the 1980s were not nearly as good at playing basketball as current basketball players.

Minor point, but still probably worth mentioning.

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.
Without entering myself in the rest of this crazy conversation, I'll say I liked the 80's ball better as well.

Rivalries were better and lasted longer. Nobody tried putting together a "Super team". you never saw flopping, and if you did, not nearly the amount of it you see today... especially LBJ, where's it's completely embarrassing to watch. You didn't see every guy crying for a foul, and guys didn't swing on the rim after a dunk, then run down the floor with their stupid finger over their mouths shushing people in an attempt to look cool.

And that's just off the top of my head.
How would a player similar to Lebron play in the 80's without the ability to zone defend? Seems to me like he would get to the rim even more, though he may not make it out of games with the butchering in the paint that used to go on.

 
In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.
Without entering myself in the rest of this crazy conversation, I'll say I liked the 80's ball better as well.

Rivalries were better and lasted longer. Nobody tried putting together a "Super team". you never saw flopping, and if you did, not nearly the amount of it you see today... especially LBJ, where's it's completely embarrassing to watch. You didn't see every guy crying for a foul, and guys didn't swing on the rim after a dunk, then run down the floor with their stupid finger over their mouths shushing people in an attempt to look cool.

And that's just off the top of my head.
Interesting points. Counterpoint- basketball players in the 1980s were not nearly as good at playing basketball as current basketball players.

Minor point, but still probably worth mentioning.
You could argue against most of what he said, but the flopping in the NBA is WAY out of hand.

 
You could argue against most of what he said, but the flopping in the NBA is WAY out of hand.
See, the whole flopping thing is kinda weird to me. I think it's strange that we're OK with players doing something to try to get a call in some sports or in some situations, but not others. For example, I've never heard anyone ever say that they have the slightest problem with catchers "framing" pitches, even though that is conceptually the same thing as flopping. You're trying to get the ref/ump to make a borderline call go your way- or even to make the wrong call- by subconsciously tricking him into seeing something that may or may not have actually happened.

I'd rather it didn't happen I guess, but it doesn't really bother me. Players in every sport are always gonna try to get calls by any means they can think of. The only reason they didn't do it in the 80s is because they hadn't thought of it yet.

 
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In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.
Then stay away and whine about something else.
Will do. :thumbup: Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.
Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.
I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.
Without entering myself in the rest of this crazy conversation, I'll say I liked the 80's ball better as well.

Rivalries were better and lasted longer. Nobody tried putting together a "Super team". you never saw flopping, and if you did, not nearly the amount of it you see today... especially LBJ, where's it's completely embarrassing to watch. You didn't see every guy crying for a foul, and guys didn't swing on the rim after a dunk, then run down the floor with their stupid finger over their mouths shushing people in an attempt to look cool.

And that's just off the top of my head.
Interesting points. Counterpoint- basketball players in the 1980s were not nearly as good at playing basketball as current basketball players.

Minor point, but still probably worth mentioning.
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?

 
You could argue against most of what he said, but the flopping in the NBA is WAY out of hand.
See, the whole flopping thing is kinda weird to me. I think it's strange that we're OK with players doing something to try to get a call in some sports or in some situations, but not others. For example, I've never heard anyone ever say that they have the slightest problem with catchers "framing" pitches, even though that is conceptually the same thing as flopping. You're trying to get the ref/ump to make a borderline call go your way- or even to make the wrong call- by subconsciously tricking him into seeing something that may or may not have actually happened.

I'd rather it didn't happen I guess, but it doesn't really bother me. Players in every sport are always gonna try to get calls by any means they can think of. The only reason they didn't do it in the 80s is because they hadn't thought of it yet.
WRs and DBs trying to get holding calls/PI, kickers flopping after a punt...happens every single game.

 
Would be the absolute ideal scenario for the Suns.

Ben McLemore - G - Player
Sources tell ESPN that Kansas SG Ben McLemore was out of shape in recent workouts for the Suns and Magic.
McLemore reportedly "struggled to keep up." It's not a good look for a player whose assertiveness and motivation was already being questioned thanks to a bunch of passive games in college. McLemore is sliding down boards as the June 27 draft approaches. Chad Ford does have him going fifth to the Suns in his latest Mock.
Related: Magic, Suns

Source: ESPN.com

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.

 
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You could argue against most of what he said, but the flopping in the NBA is WAY out of hand.
See, the whole flopping thing is kinda weird to me. I think it's strange that we're OK with players doing something to try to get a call in some sports or in some situations, but not others. For example, I've never heard anyone ever say that they have the slightest problem with catchers "framing" pitches, even though that is conceptually the same thing as flopping. You're trying to get the ref/ump to make a borderline call go your way- or even to make the wrong call- by subconsciously tricking him into seeing something that may or may not have actually happened.

I'd rather it didn't happen I guess, but it doesn't really bother me. Players in every sport are always gonna try to get calls by any means they can think of. The only reason they didn't do it in the 80s is because they hadn't thought of it yet.
It happens in every sport but some sports actually put in a little effort to curb it ie. in the NHL you'll get a penalty for it which is far, far more severe than $5000.

 
You could argue against most of what he said, but the flopping in the NBA is WAY out of hand.
See, the whole flopping thing is kinda weird to me. I think it's strange that we're OK with players doing something to try to get a call in some sports or in some situations, but not others. For example, I've never heard anyone ever say that they have the slightest problem with catchers "framing" pitches, even though that is conceptually the same thing as flopping. You're trying to get the ref/ump to make a borderline call go your way- or even to make the wrong call- by subconsciously tricking him into seeing something that may or may not have actually happened.

I'd rather it didn't happen I guess, but it doesn't really bother me. Players in every sport are always gonna try to get calls by any means they can think of. The only reason they didn't do it in the 80s is because they hadn't thought of it yet.
They look pathetic doing it. And the players of the old days didn't do it because they would be called punks and lose respect from their peers.

I can understand if people like today's game better. it's flashier, and bombs away from all over the floor, but my personal taste is old school. today's guys drive me crazy watching them.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.

 
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I think it its hilarious that the Lakers wouldnt do Blake for Dwight straight up if the Clips wanted it unless they also get Bledsoe. Are the Lakers and their fans aware that Dwight can go to Houston without a sign and trade and they get absolutely nothing?

Even getting Asik for Howard would be better than just getting zero in return for him.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Tim Duncan.
Five years ago he was playing at that level perhaps.
we were truly spoiled in the 90's with all those HOF centers like Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Zo. Guys from that era like Mutumbo who were never really "stars" would be top 3 centers in the NBA today.

 
I think it its hilarious that the Lakers wouldnt do Blake for Dwight straight up if the Clips wanted it unless they also get Bledsoe. Are the Lakers and their fans aware that Dwight can go to Houston without a sign and trade and they get absolutely nothing?

Even getting Asik for Howard would be better than just getting zero in return for him.
They don't want long term commitments to guys who aren't top tier at this point. They'd rather clear the decks and try to play in FA in 2014.

 
You could argue against most of what he said, but the flopping in the NBA is WAY out of hand.
See, the whole flopping thing is kinda weird to me. I think it's strange that we're OK with players doing something to try to get a call in some sports or in some situations, but not others. For example, I've never heard anyone ever say that they have the slightest problem with catchers "framing" pitches, even though that is conceptually the same thing as flopping. You're trying to get the ref/ump to make a borderline call go your way- or even to make the wrong call- by subconsciously tricking him into seeing something that may or may not have actually happened.

I'd rather it didn't happen I guess, but it doesn't really bother me. Players in every sport are always gonna try to get calls by any means they can think of. The only reason they didn't do it in the 80s is because they hadn't thought of it yet.
They look pathetic doing it. And the players of the old days didn't do it because they would be called punks and lose respect from their peers.

I can understand if people like today's game better. it's flashier, and bombs away from all over the floor, but my personal taste is old school. today's guys drive me crazy watching them.
This leads me to believe you don't watch a lot of NBA these days. It's the exact opposite. I believe tempo has slowed over time. Defenses are much better at denying open looks and isos (thanks in part to the NBA getting rid of the ban on zones). Offenses have been forced to respond with much more ball movement. They've also become much more sophisticated about shooting efficiency, knowing each player and where they're more and less efficient thanks to heat maps and the like, and defenses have responded with more sophisticated efforts to deny those looks.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Jordan did not dominate the 80's. Shaq did not dominate the 90's. The league is much deeper now but the premier talent is not any better.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Jordan did not dominate the 80's. Shaq did not dominate the 90's. The league is much deeper now but the premier talent is not any better.
I agree.

 
I think it its hilarious that the Lakers wouldnt do Blake for Dwight straight up if the Clips wanted it unless they also get Bledsoe. Are the Lakers and their fans aware that Dwight can go to Houston without a sign and trade and they get absolutely nothing?

Even getting Asik for Howard would be better than just getting zero in return for him.
They don't want long term commitments to guys who aren't top tier at this point. They'd rather clear the decks and try to play in FA in 2014.
Think the Lakers would do a Howard for Blake swap without Bledsoe if the alternative is Howard walking. Blake could be moved easily to clear cap space for 2014 if they decide to go that route.

 
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Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Yeah I thought about Kareem. I think he'd get pushed around a lot. And as great as the sky hook was, I'd be curious how it would play in the modern era. He'd get doubled on the entry pass immediately so he wouldn't have nearly the room he got back them to pivot and toss that thing up. Admittedly I don't know much about his passing ability, but I know it wasn't tested in his era they way it would be now.

Also- and I know this is sacrilege, so I apologize in advance- was the sky hook really that efficient of a shot? Kareem was a 56% career shooter who never took a jump shot. I assume he got lots of near-100% looks as a center on offensive rebounds and the like. So what was the % on the sky hook? Maybe just under 50%? Is a sub-50% two point attempt that rarely draws a foul actually that good of a shot?

I know it's sacrilege. Don't flip out on me and post a bunch of quotes about the awesomeness of the skyhook. Guy was amazing, probably underrated if that's even possible. I just think it's interesting to think about.

 
I think it its hilarious that the Lakers wouldnt do Blake for Dwight straight up if the Clips wanted it unless they also get Bledsoe. Are the Lakers and their fans aware that Dwight can go to Houston without a sign and trade and they get absolutely nothing?

Even getting Asik for Howard would be better than just getting zero in return for him.
They don't want long term commitments to guys who aren't top tier at this point. They'd rather clear the decks and try to play in FA in 2014.
are are you being serious? You really think the Lakers are better off not having Blake Griffin on roster if they have the choice? Even if they don't want him on the team for whatever reason they can easily flip him for a top draft choice this year and likely get future picks thrown in. Pick your team, the cavs, bobcats, suns would be head over heals crazy to get Blake on their squads.
 
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I think it its hilarious that the Lakers wouldnt do Blake for Dwight straight up if the Clips wanted it unless they also get Bledsoe. Are the Lakers and their fans aware that Dwight can go to Houston without a sign and trade and they get absolutely nothing?

Even getting Asik for Howard would be better than just getting zero in return for him.
They don't want long term commitments to guys who aren't top tier at this point. They'd rather clear the decks and try to play in FA in 2014.
Think the Lakers would do a Howard for Blake swap without Bledsoe if the alternative is Howard walking. Blake could be moved easily to clear cap space for 2014 if they decide to go that route.
I was talking about the Asik idea. I think they'd probably move Howard for Griffin if it came down to it, but holding out for Bledsoe makes sense - they want to bring back showtime they have to find some PG who could run it.

 
I think it its hilarious that the Lakers wouldnt do Blake for Dwight straight up if the Clips wanted it unless they also get Bledsoe. Are the Lakers and their fans aware that Dwight can go to Houston without a sign and trade and they get absolutely nothing?

Even getting Asik for Howard would be better than just getting zero in return for him.
They don't want long term commitments to guys who aren't top tier at this point. They'd rather clear the decks and try to play in FA in 2014.
are are you being serious? You really think the Lakers are better off not having Blake Griffin on roster if they have the choice? Even if they don't want him on the team for whatever reason they can easily flip him for a top draft choice this year and likely get future picks thrown in. Pick your team, the cavs, bobcats, suns would be head over heals crazy to get Blake on their squads.
See this response.

 
I understand that the Lakers think they can attract big time FA's, and maybe they can, but it isn't happening while Kobe is the alpha dog there. And he's playing two more years. Lebron isn't going to sign with the Lakers so he can butt heads with Kobe during the season he turns 30. Carmelo? I think he's happy in New York. I'm not sure who else they can look to in 2014 as a viable option to bring the team back to glory.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Yeah I thought about Kareem. I think he'd get pushed around a lot. And as great as the sky hook was, I'd be curious how it would play in the modern era. He'd get doubled on the entry pass immediately so he wouldn't have nearly the room he got back them to pivot and toss that thing up. Admittedly I don't know much about his passing ability, but I know it wasn't tested in his era they way it would be now.

Also- and I know this is sacrilege, so I apologize in advance- was the sky hook really that efficient of a shot? Kareem was a 56% career shooter who never took a jump shot. I assume he got lots of near-100% looks as a center on offensive rebounds and the like. So what was the % on the sky hook? Maybe just under 50%? Is a sub-50% two point attempt that rarely draws a foul actually that good of a shot?

I know it's sacrilege. Don't flip out on me and post a bunch of quotes about the awesomeness of the skyhook. Guy was amazing, probably underrated if that's even possible. I just think it's interesting to think about.
The simple answer is, you just needed to see the man play, particularly when he was in his prime.

He may have been a bit wiry up top, but his legs were as strong as about anybody you'll see, even in today's NBA. You'd have to foul him to move him off the block once he got there.

While he's primarily remembered for the sky hook, he had all the shots and all the moves. He could go left or right with equal skill. He was a great passer - he got double and triple teamed constantly and burned people for it.

Was the sky hook efficient? I think so. I can count on one hand the number of times I saw it get blocked - and I watched a lot of Laker games. You had to stop it on the ground by being in position where he couldn't roll the direction he wanted to to shoot it, that was pretty much your only shot at stopping it. His shooting percentage was that high without as many layups/dunks as guys like Shaq and Howard have - he had game outside 5 feet from the rim. He actually did have a jumper along with the sky hook.

If you think Pau Gasol is a skilled big man - Kareem was all that times about 10, and he could play some D too.

 
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Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Yeah I thought about Kareem. I think he'd get pushed around a lot. And as great as the sky hook was, I'd be curious how it would play in the modern era. He'd get doubled on the entry pass immediately so he wouldn't have nearly the room he got back them to pivot and toss that thing up. Admittedly I don't know much about his passing ability, but I know it wasn't tested in his era they way it would be now.

Also- and I know this is sacrilege, so I apologize in advance- was the sky hook really that efficient of a shot? Kareem was a 56% career shooter who never took a jump shot. I assume he got lots of near-100% looks as a center on offensive rebounds and the like. So what was the % on the sky hook? Maybe just under 50%? Is a sub-50% two point attempt that rarely draws a foul actually that good of a shot?

I know it's sacrilege. Don't flip out on me and post a bunch of quotes about the awesomeness of the skyhook. Guy was amazing, probably underrated if that's even possible. I just think it's interesting to think about.
The simple answer is, you just needed to see the man play, particularly when he was in his prime.

He may have been a bit wiry up top, but his legs were as strong as about anybody you'll see, even in today's NBA. You'd have to foul him to move him off the block once he got there.

While he's primarily remembered for the sky hook, he had all the shots and all the moves. He could go left or right with equal skill. He was a great passer - he got double and triple teamed constantly and burned people for it.

Was the sky hook efficient? I think so. I can count on one hand the number of times I saw it get blocked - and I watched a lot of Laker games. You had to stop it on the ground by being in position where he couldn't roll the direction he wanted to to shoot it, that was pretty much your only shot at stopping it. His shooting percentage was that high without as many layups/dunks as guys like Shaq and Howard have - he had game outside 5 feet from the rim.

If you think Pau Gasol is a skilled big man - Kareem was all that times about 10, and he could play some D too.
He didn't have all the moves and he definitely couldn't go left or right with equal skill.

 
I understand that the Lakers think they can attract big time FA's, and maybe they can, but it isn't happening while Kobe is the alpha dog there. And he's playing two more years. Lebron isn't going to sign with the Lakers so he can butt heads with Kobe during the season he turns 30. Carmelo? I think he's happy in New York. I'm not sure who else they can look to in 2014 as a viable option to bring the team back to glory.
That's what he says. He's only under contract for next year.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Yeah I thought about Kareem. I think he'd get pushed around a lot. And as great as the sky hook was, I'd be curious how it would play in the modern era. He'd get doubled on the entry pass immediately so he wouldn't have nearly the room he got back them to pivot and toss that thing up. Admittedly I don't know much about his passing ability, but I know it wasn't tested in his era they way it would be now.

Also- and I know this is sacrilege, so I apologize in advance- was the sky hook really that efficient of a shot? Kareem was a 56% career shooter who never took a jump shot. I assume he got lots of near-100% looks as a center on offensive rebounds and the like. So what was the % on the sky hook? Maybe just under 50%? Is a sub-50% two point attempt that rarely draws a foul actually that good of a shot?

I know it's sacrilege. Don't flip out on me and post a bunch of quotes about the awesomeness of the skyhook. Guy was amazing, probably underrated if that's even possible. I just think it's interesting to think about.
The simple answer is, you just needed to see the man play, particularly when he was in his prime.

He may have been a bit wiry up top, but his legs were as strong as about anybody you'll see, even in today's NBA. You'd have to foul him to move him off the block once he got there.

While he's primarily remembered for the sky hook, he had all the shots and all the moves. He could go left or right with equal skill. He was a great passer - he got double and triple teamed constantly and burned people for it.

Was the sky hook efficient? I think so. I can count on one hand the number of times I saw it get blocked - and I watched a lot of Laker games. You had to stop it on the ground by being in position where he couldn't roll the direction he wanted to to shoot it, that was pretty much your only shot at stopping it. His shooting percentage was that high without as many layups/dunks as guys like Shaq and Howard have - he had game outside 5 feet from the rim.

If you think Pau Gasol is a skilled big man - Kareem was all that times about 10, and he could play some D too.
He didn't have all the moves and he definitely couldn't go left or right with equal skill.
You're kidding - right?

 
I understand that the Lakers think they can attract big time FA's, and maybe they can, but it isn't happening while Kobe is the alpha dog there. And he's playing two more years. Lebron isn't going to sign with the Lakers so he can butt heads with Kobe during the season he turns 30. Carmelo? I think he's happy in New York. I'm not sure who else they can look to in 2014 as a viable option to bring the team back to glory.
That's what he says. He's only under contract for next year.
The Lakers are going to not renew Kobe's contract to sign Lebron James? That would be....surprising.

Re: Kareem - this conversation is insane. Kareem would be very good in the league. He could run the floor and had good moves down low.

 
I understand that the Lakers think they can attract big time FA's, and maybe they can, but it isn't happening while Kobe is the alpha dog there. And he's playing two more years. Lebron isn't going to sign with the Lakers so he can butt heads with Kobe during the season he turns 30. Carmelo? I think he's happy in New York. I'm not sure who else they can look to in 2014 as a viable option to bring the team back to glory.
That's what he says. He's only under contract for next year.
The Lakers are going to not renew Kobe's contract to sign Lebron James? That would be....surprising.

Re: Kareem - this conversation is insane. Kareem would be very good in the league. He could run the floor and had good moves down low.
I don't think they're going to hand Bryant another $30M for his age 36 year. I don't think James is interested in being a Laker anyway, but there will be other talent on the market next offseason.

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Yeah I thought about Kareem. I think he'd get pushed around a lot. And as great as the sky hook was, I'd be curious how it would play in the modern era. He'd get doubled on the entry pass immediately so he wouldn't have nearly the room he got back them to pivot and toss that thing up. Admittedly I don't know much about his passing ability, but I know it wasn't tested in his era they way it would be now.

Also- and I know this is sacrilege, so I apologize in advance- was the sky hook really that efficient of a shot? Kareem was a 56% career shooter who never took a jump shot. I assume he got lots of near-100% looks as a center on offensive rebounds and the like. So what was the % on the sky hook? Maybe just under 50%? Is a sub-50% two point attempt that rarely draws a foul actually that good of a shot?

I know it's sacrilege. Don't flip out on me and post a bunch of quotes about the awesomeness of the skyhook. Guy was amazing, probably underrated if that's even possible. I just think it's interesting to think about.
The simple answer is, you just needed to see the man play, particularly when he was in his prime.

He may have been a bit wiry up top, but his legs were as strong as about anybody you'll see, even in today's NBA. You'd have to foul him to move him off the block once he got there.

While he's primarily remembered for the sky hook, he had all the shots and all the moves. He could go left or right with equal skill. He was a great passer - he got double and triple teamed constantly and burned people for it.

Was the sky hook efficient? I think so. I can count on one hand the number of times I saw it get blocked - and I watched a lot of Laker games. You had to stop it on the ground by being in position where he couldn't roll the direction he wanted to to shoot it, that was pretty much your only shot at stopping it. His shooting percentage was that high without as many layups/dunks as guys like Shaq and Howard have - he had game outside 5 feet from the rim.

If you think Pau Gasol is a skilled big man - Kareem was all that times about 10, and he could play some D too.
He didn't have all the moves and he definitely couldn't go left or right with equal skill.
You're kidding - right?
Not at all.

 
I understand that the Lakers think they can attract big time FA's, and maybe they can, but it isn't happening while Kobe is the alpha dog there. And he's playing two more years. Lebron isn't going to sign with the Lakers so he can butt heads with Kobe during the season he turns 30. Carmelo? I think he's happy in New York. I'm not sure who else they can look to in 2014 as a viable option to bring the team back to glory.
That's what he says. He's only under contract for next year.
The Lakers are going to not renew Kobe's contract to sign Lebron James? That would be....surprising.

Re: Kareem - this conversation is insane. Kareem would be very good in the league. He could run the floor and had good moves down low.
I don't think they're going to hand Bryant another $30M for his age 36 year. I don't think James is interested in being a Laker anyway, but there will be other talent on the market next offseason.
I don't think they WANT to give Kobe 30 million for age 36. I'm just not sure how they avoid doing so if the guy decides he wants to play.

And outside of Melo, Anthony, and Bosh the talent in 2014 isn't all that enticing. The younger guys like Irving won't get to the market and the older guys are, well, old.

Luol Deng and Danny Granger get you excited?

 
Does the current NBA have a center in the top 10 all-time? Besides D. Howard does the current NBA have a center in the top 25 all-time?
Depends what you mean by "top ten all time." And I'm not sure why you're asking. If you went back in a time machine and rounded up the guys most people rank in their "NBA top ten centers of all time" when they were at their peak and tried to put them in today's NBA, everyone but Shaq and Hakeem would get their butts handed to them by the garbage time backup guys on the lottery teams.

The level of play in all sports improves over time, but probably none like the NBA. Forty years ago it was a niche sport played by a few hundred thousand American kids. Now it's a global game played by tens of millions of people around the world. When you draw from a talent pool thousands of times larger than it used to be, the elite talent is going to be correspondingly WAY better. And that's before we even get to advances in film study and technique and conditioning.
Kareem would do just fine in today's league. He might be the best offensive post player ever. I don't think garbage time backups would be able to handle guys like Wilt, Lanier, Gilmore, Walton (the one year he was healthy), Moses Malone and a bunch of other guys I can't be bothered to list.
Yeah I thought about Kareem. I think he'd get pushed around a lot. And as great as the sky hook was, I'd be curious how it would play in the modern era. He'd get doubled on the entry pass immediately so he wouldn't have nearly the room he got back them to pivot and toss that thing up. Admittedly I don't know much about his passing ability, but I know it wasn't tested in his era they way it would be now.

Also- and I know this is sacrilege, so I apologize in advance- was the sky hook really that efficient of a shot? Kareem was a 56% career shooter who never took a jump shot. I assume he got lots of near-100% looks as a center on offensive rebounds and the like. So what was the % on the sky hook? Maybe just under 50%? Is a sub-50% two point attempt that rarely draws a foul actually that good of a shot?

I know it's sacrilege. Don't flip out on me and post a bunch of quotes about the awesomeness of the skyhook. Guy was amazing, probably underrated if that's even possible. I just think it's interesting to think about.
The simple answer is, you just needed to see the man play, particularly when he was in his prime.

He may have been a bit wiry up top, but his legs were as strong as about anybody you'll see, even in today's NBA. You'd have to foul him to move him off the block once he got there.

While he's primarily remembered for the sky hook, he had all the shots and all the moves. He could go left or right with equal skill. He was a great passer - he got double and triple teamed constantly and burned people for it.

Was the sky hook efficient? I think so. I can count on one hand the number of times I saw it get blocked - and I watched a lot of Laker games. You had to stop it on the ground by being in position where he couldn't roll the direction he wanted to to shoot it, that was pretty much your only shot at stopping it. His shooting percentage was that high without as many layups/dunks as guys like Shaq and Howard have - he had game outside 5 feet from the rim.

If you think Pau Gasol is a skilled big man - Kareem was all that times about 10, and he could play some D too.
He didn't have all the moves and he definitely couldn't go left or right with equal skill.
You're kidding - right?
Not at all.
Oh, then you're just ignorant in this case. I can only assume you didn't get to see much of him.

 
I understand that the Lakers think they can attract big time FA's, and maybe they can, but it isn't happening while Kobe is the alpha dog there. And he's playing two more years. Lebron isn't going to sign with the Lakers so he can butt heads with Kobe during the season he turns 30. Carmelo? I think he's happy in New York. I'm not sure who else they can look to in 2014 as a viable option to bring the team back to glory.
That's what he says. He's only under contract for next year.
The Lakers are going to not renew Kobe's contract to sign Lebron James? That would be....surprising.

Re: Kareem - this conversation is insane. Kareem would be very good in the league. He could run the floor and had good moves down low.
I don't think they're going to hand Bryant another $30M for his age 36 year. I don't think James is interested in being a Laker anyway, but there will be other talent on the market next offseason.
I don't think they WANT to give Kobe 30 million for age 36. I'm just not sure how they avoid doing so if the guy decides he wants to play.

And outside of Melo, Anthony, and Bosh the talent in 2014 isn't all that enticing. The younger guys like Irving won't get to the market and the older guys are, well, old.

Luol Deng and Danny Granger get you excited?
Hey, it's not my plan - it's what Kupchak says they're doing. The radio honks here make it sound like they're focused on trying to pry George loose from the Pacers (he'll be a restricted FA in 2014). :shrug:

I'd give Howard to the Clips for Griffin, see what I could get for Gasol and trade or keep depending on that market, see if I could talk Nash into retiring, then reassess after next season.

 

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