*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[Frostillicus]

Are Lin/Asik the new Martin/Scola?

Let's do this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nja6a5n

Counter-offer:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mhtnptv

Wolves have no need of Harden now that they have Shabazz.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Mbah a Moute to the Kings for a pair of 2nd rounders.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Rumor is the Bulls are/were insteaded in Monta via a sign-and-trade. Strangest thing in the world. I don't see him being a good fit, they already have a good, cheap starter in Butler, and the Bulls are already in luxury tax territory (and notoriously cheap).

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Rumor is the Bulls are/were insteaded in Monta via a sign-and-trade. Strangest thing in the world. I don't see him being a good fit, they already have a good, cheap starter in Butler, and the Bulls are already in luxury tax territory (and notoriously cheap).

Thibodeau and Monta? Man, that would be awesome.

Good writeup by Lowe on the "Pellies": http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9462545/the-remaking-new-orleans-pelicans

 

[Juxtatarot]

Rumor is the Bulls are/were insteaded in Monta via a sign-and-trade. Strangest thing in the world. I don't see him being a good fit, they already have a good, cheap starter in Butler, and the Bulls are already in luxury tax territory (and notoriously cheap).

Thibodeau and Monta? Man, that would be awesome.

The more I think about it, Deng would likely be shipped out and Butler would move to SF. I don't like.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Are Lin/Asik the new Martin/Scola?

Let's do this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nja6a5n

Counter-offer:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mhtnptv

Wolves have no need of Harden now that they have Shabazz.

HARDEN 2.0! HE'S LEFT HANDED!

 

[Abraham]

So Ellis has whittled down his list to Atlanta, Charlotte, Kings, and Mavs. The new Hawks coach sees him as a point guard in the mold of Tony Parker.

He would actually be a decent fit in Dallas.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So Ellis has whittled down his list to Atlanta, Charlotte, Kings, and Mavs. The new Hawks coach sees him as a point guard in the mold of Tony Parker.

He would actually be a decent fit in Dallas.

Dallas just signed 3 guards (Calderon, Harris, Mekel) and drafter another (Larkin). Why in the hell would they be interested in Ellis?

 

[pollardsvision]

Bynum 2/24 is a steal. They have to spend some money and they have so many guys on rookie or min deals that somebody has to get paid. If he's 85% of what he was then he's a top 10 big man and they get paid 12 a year.

Not to nitpick and I completely agree with everything, but I think $12 mill/year on a short contract is less "Top 10 big man" salary and closer to "anybody that's close to 7-feet and not a complete stiff" salary.

Given the length, it's a far less desirable contract (for the player) than what Splitter got. It's a far less desirable contract than what Jefferson got, and he's not in a healthy Bynum's league. Both of those were considered very reasonable contracts.

Not by Zach Lowe. He's been killing the Jefferson deal.

Certainly, Jefferson is a flawed player and it's plenty reasonable to question the Bobcats actually trying to win a few more games in a year where it doesn't make any sense to try to win a few more games.

But I like it, and I think it makes sense for the fan base. It's not a long deal and with so many teams blatantly trying to lose games already (a number sure to rise as the season progresses), it might be more difficult than it usually is for the Bobcats to get their Top 5 pick.

Bobcats aren't your run of the mill ####ty franchise. I think it makes sense when you've got a fan base barely hanging on, to actually try to get a little better. Punting this season completely and missing on one of the studs in the draft would be a complete disaster, even by Bobcats standards.

Chances are, Jefferson won't help that much, and the Bobcats will still be in the mix for a Top 6 pick. They are likely going to stink anyway, but they could use a team to root for that wins some games from time to time.

Also, Bobcats fans don't believe for one second that they every would've or will land Wiggins. There are some other franchise players to miss out on, but they know they won't get him.

Are Bobcats fans that unsophisticated that they'd think this is a good move somehow?

I have no idea what most Bobcats fans think.

Maybe liking this deal is unsophisticated, but I'd call it being realistic.

For Charlotte, the best possible situation to ever hope for (barring insane lottery luck, more on that in a sec) is to be like an Indiana or Memphis. You get highly flawed free-agents because anybody that's good enough to be the best player on a title team isn't coming there. Probably not the 2nd best either. You have to find a talented guy that doesn't give too much of #### as long as someone CTC. Jefferson, like a Zach Randolph, is about the best you can hope for in a FA.

Most NBA teams ultimately don't really matter. Not even your Dubs.

Most know they aren't going to win a title ever, so you do what you can throw a competitive team out there. Sometimes, it leads to things that don't always make a ton of sense (like throwing almost $50 mill and two 1st round picks at a 30 year old swingman you don't really need)

Maybe purposeful tanking is the right move. I have no idea. I'm glad they aren't.

This is one franchise that knows you aren't guaranteed ####, no matter how bad you are.

If they are actually going to try to be a Memphis/Indiana type of franchise, blatantly tanking with a young team isn't a good way to develop them.

By the way, it's generally assumed that tanking for franchise changer is a great idea. How many small-market, terribly run teams have won titles by getting the number 1 pick in the draft in the right year?

If they tank to get Wiggins or Parker, there's still a very good chance they don't get them, and they've only made developing/keeping the young players they currently have a little more difficult (In CHA's case, actually trying still very well might get them a top 6 pick anyway).

If they do get one of the top 2, it's a near certainty that they get 7 or fewer seasons and no title.

 

[ShaHBucks]

This is a write in vote for Al Jefferson. MJ doesn't know basketball outside of a bulls uniform.

 

[Slapdash]

Tanking is a ##### move. Glad the Bobcats are trying.

 

[Short Corner]

Tanking is a ##### move. Glad the Bobcats are trying.

Will be interesting to see if they can actually finish above some of the teams that are tanking.

 

[Premier]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

 

[tommyGunZ]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

 

[Gr00vus]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

Someone who can do some NSFW browsing report back on what comes up for that hashtag.

 

[sporthenry]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

I'm not high on Oladipo but this is a bit unfair. For one, the sample size is small. Secondly, guys like Burke entered today shooting .083%. Caldwell-Pope .200. Heck, Greg Smith who we already know can at least ball a little is shooting .167.

Most of us knew his shooting would be an issue but he has actually gotten to the FT line at a good rate.

 

[Premier]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

Should the Jazz cut Burke?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

I'm not high on Oladipo but this is a bit unfair. For one, the sample size is small. Secondly, guys like Burke entered today shooting .083%. Caldwell-Pope .200. Heck, Greg Smith who we already know can at least ball a little is shooting .167.

Most of us knew his shooting would be an issue but he has actually gotten to the FT line at a good rate.

yeah, I'm mostly just poking fun at my gb Cappy, who is so drunk off the Oladipo draft hype that he thinks he's going to be a good shooter in the NBA.

Oladipo does look like a freaking beast physically though. Monster strength for a 2.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

Should the Jazz cut Burke?

Nah. Burke has a decent mid range jumper. It's Oladipo's jumper that we see differently.

 

[sporthenry]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

I'm not high on Oladipo but this is a bit unfair. For one, the sample size is small. Secondly, guys like Burke entered today shooting .083%. Caldwell-Pope .200. Heck, Greg Smith who we already know can at least ball a little is shooting .167.

Most of us knew his shooting would be an issue but he has actually gotten to the FT line at a good rate.

yeah, I'm mostly just poking fun at my gb Cappy, who is so drunk off the Oladipo draft hype that he thinks he's going to be a good shooter in the NBA.

Oladipo does look like a freaking beast physically though. Monster strength for a 2.

Fair enough. I'll be there with you but it is just a premature. Crazy that some were throwing Wade comparisons at him.

 

[Premier]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

Should the Jazz cut Burke?

Nah. Burke has a decent mid range jumper. It's Oladipo's jumper that we see differently.

Is 22 points on 7 shots good?

 

[Slapdash]

Tanking is a ##### move. Glad the Bobcats are trying.

Will be interesting to see if they can actually finish above some of the teams that are tanking.

They'd still get "unluckly" in the lottery even if they blow. At least tickets would stay cheap.

In all seriousness though, the idea that they should tank after being so pitifull for years is silly. It is important to find out if Kemba and MKG are worth building around and you can't do that by tanking. Signing Jefferson and drafting Zeller addresses the biggest problem they have.

 

[Abraham]

I like all the criticism of the cats drafting a big man and then signing another, as if those moves were redundant. The team has been awful for so long that adding 10 starting caliber centers to play with Kemba, mkg, and Henderson would he an improvement.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Most NBA teams ultimately don't really matter. Not even your Dubs.

Most know they aren't going to win a title ever, so you do what you can throw a competitive team out there. Sometimes, it leads to things that don't always make a ton of sense (like throwing almost $50 mill and two 1st round picks at a 30 year old swingman you don't really need)

The Rockets didn't "matter" two years ago, now they do. Via making smart acquisitions, stockpiling *shudder* assets, hundreds of proposed Martin/Scola trades, drafting well, trading well, being creative. And then they landed the big fish. As much as some myopic LA fans like to say that Howard was shying away from the spotlight/trying to win a title, Houston offers a healthy team with an identity that fits him, and a healthy young co-superstar. LA's a mess, who knows what Kobe will be when he gets back from injury, Pau and Howard don't work well together, their coach sucks, and Buss Jr. is terrible.

Point being, building a good franchise -- even with no hope of contending right away -- and doing it the right way matters. The Warriors aren't realistically an NBA contender, but where they are is a helluva lot better than where they were a few years ago.

If you're going to throw that much money at Jefferson, why not throw that much at Millsap (the superior player) instead? Why not gamble on Bynum and break the bank on him? If he's terrible or his knee is toast, you're right back where you are, but the upside is that he can actually play. Jefferson offers offensive numbers that look good on paper, but he's giving back just as much (if not more) on defense.

 

[Abraham]

Agreed. There are a finite number of players that can help you get to the conference finals and beyond. There is no "right" way to acquire one other than to put yourself in position when the opportunity arises.

 

[thecatch]

So Ellis has whittled down his list to Atlanta, Charlotte, Kings, and Mavs. The new Hawks coach sees him as a point guard in the mold of Tony Parker.

He would actually be a decent fit in Dallas.

Kings can't pay him that much unless they amnesty Salmons, and they don't have room in the backcourt unless they start wheeling and dealing. That rumor doesn't make sense to me.

But neither do Landry or Luc Mbah a Moute - I'm beginning to think we got the Denver executive responsible for the Javalle McGee trade and contract.

 

[pollardsvision]

Most NBA teams ultimately don't really matter. Not even your Dubs.

Most know they aren't going to win a title ever, so you do what you can throw a competitive team out there. Sometimes, it leads to things that don't always make a ton of sense (like throwing almost $50 mill and two 1st round picks at a 30 year old swingman you don't really need)

The Rockets didn't "matter" two years ago, now they do. Via making smart acquisitions, stockpiling *shudder* assets, hundreds of proposed Martin/Scola trades, drafting well, trading well, being creative. And then they landed the big fish. As much as some myopic LA fans like to say that Howard was shying away from the spotlight/trying to win a title, Houston offers a healthy team with an identity that fits him, and a healthy young co-superstar. LA's a mess, who knows what Kobe will be when he gets back from injury, Pau and Howard don't work well together, their coach sucks, and Buss Jr. is terrible.

Point being, building a good franchise -- even with no hope of contending right away -- and doing it the right way matters. The Warriors aren't realistically an NBA contender, but where they are is a helluva lot better than where they were a few years ago.

If you're going to throw that much money at Jefferson, why not throw that much at Millsap (the superior player) instead? Why not gamble on Bynum and break the bank on him? If he's terrible or his knee is toast, you're right back where you are, but the upside is that he can actually play. Jefferson offers offensive numbers that look good on paper, but he's giving back just as much (if not more) on defense.

I would've much rather they signed Bynum. I don't think he was an option though.

I'm under no illusions about how good Jefferson is. As a Warriors fan, I'm sure you can appreciate that the expectations for some teams in the FA market aren't all that high. I'm just glad the Bobcats tried something and didn't give a really long contract in the process.

If he takes some of the offensive pressure off of Kemba and Zeller for a couple years and helps them develop, that's fantastic. If he helps them win a few more games, so the young guys don't look at their time in CHA as a completely miserable experience and actually consider staying if they are any good, it's worth the money.

If he's really a net negative, they are back where they started and all this hubbub about not even tanking right takes care of itself.

But he's big and actually has an NBA level skill. That's pretty remarkable for the Bobcats.

ETA: But if that report of kicking the tires on Monta ####### Ellis comes to fruition, I'm going to punch someone in the face.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Hansbrough likely going to Toronto

 

[Slapdash]

What's the problem with Monta Ellis?

 

[Premier]

What's the problem with Monta Ellis?

Everything.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

Should the Jazz cut Burke?

Nah. Burke has a decent mid range jumper. It's Oladipo's jumper that we see differently.

Is 22 points on 7 shots good?

Lakers fans prefer that on 26 shots or so.

 

[drummer]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

Should the Jazz cut Burke?

Nah. Burke has a decent mid range jumper. It's Oladipo's jumper that we see differently.

Is 22 points on 7 shots good?

Lakers fans prefer that on 26 shots or so.

Scintillating

 

[Spartans Rule]

What's the problem with Monta Ellis?

He shoots all the time at a really low percentage, turns the ball over a ton, doesn't play defense, and makes everyone around him worse.

Other than that, though...

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Hansbrough likely going to Toronto

Good move for him. It's easier to get PEDs in Canada.

 

[Britney Spears]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

What's the problem with Monta Ellis?

He shoots all the time at a really low percentage, turns the ball over a ton, doesn't play defense, and makes everyone around him worse.

Other than that, though...

Pretty much this. He is ball movement kryptonite.

 

[Moe.]

You're all just a bunch of haters

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Gunz > Olodipo currently has 16 points on 3/5 shooting from the floor. 8/10 from the line. #whackoff

7-25 from the field coming into today, and now 3-6 today.

Against DLeaguers.

Should the Jazz cut Burke?

Nah. Burke has a decent mid range jumper. It's Oladipo's jumper that we see differently.

Is 22 points on 7 shots good?

Lakers fans prefer that on 26 shots or so.

 

[ffldrew]

What's the problem with Monta Ellis?

He shoots all the time at a really low percentage, turns the ball over a ton, doesn't play defense, and makes everyone around him worse.

Other than that, though...

Saw the Bucks take a 17 point halftime lead here in Denver ........ and Monta Ellis shot the Nuggets back into the game on 6-21(and a second half +/- of -23) shooting night for a Denver comeback win 112-104. Wasted a hell of a night by Sam Dalembert(17 for 21).

Jennings was nearly as bad.....the worst backcourt tandem in the NBA would be my guess.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Lakers have resigned Farmar, and possibly Odom as well.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Lakers have resigned Farmar, and possibly Odom as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOHq5WbQ8k

 

[Shrugs]

Championship experience, baby. Lakers gonna surprise.

 

[Daywalker]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

Perhaps Lebron is in regional commercials. But the ESPN segment I took in said he hasn't been featured in a national television campaign in more then a year. Was a McDonald's monopoly campaign a while back. Markets don't get much bigger then SoCal and I don't see Lebron doing commercials ever. Don't think Kobe is doing any national campaigns either.

The storyline writes itself if Lebron went back to Cleveland. We love to build people up then knock them down. But we also love to forgive. Don't get me wrong I don't fault Lebron for leaving Cleveland besides the decision. Going back home is the perfect third act. To Cleveland. Americana. Think a lot of fans would be rooting for Cleveland to win a championship instead of rooting for anyone but Lebron. The sentiment is against Lebron. Staying in Miami is not going to change that and going to LA or NY will only make it worse. Lebron has been to the finals three years in a row with back to back titles. Yet you don't see him doing national Nike, Gatorade or McDonald's campaigns. Going to Cleveland could flip that script.

 

[drummer]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

Perhaps Lebron is in regional commercials. But the ESPN segment I took in said he hasn't been featured in a national television campaign in more then a year. Was a McDonald's monopoly campaign a while back. Markets don't get much bigger then SoCal and I don't see Lebron doing commercials ever. Don't think Kobe is doing any national campaigns either.

The storyline writes itself if Lebron went back to Cleveland. We love to build people up then knock them down. But we also love to forgive. Don't get me wrong I don't fault Lebron for leaving Cleveland besides the decision. Going back home is the perfect third act. To Cleveland. Americana. Think a lot of fans would be rooting for Cleveland to win a championship instead of rooting for anyone but Lebron. The sentiment is against Lebron. Staying in Miami is not going to change that and going to LA or NY will only make it worse. Lebron has been to the finals three years in a row with back to back titles. Yet you don't see him doing national Nike, Gatorade or McDonald's campaigns. Going to Cleveland could flip that script.

I used to see commercial spots of James holding a huge Galaxy Note II like it was an iPhone. Having Samsung as a sponsor is a huge deal.

 

[EYLive]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

What rape trial?

 

[drummer]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

What rape trial?

You know what thread you're in don't you?

 

[Daywalker]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

Perhaps Lebron is in regional commercials. But the ESPN segment I took in said he hasn't been featured in a national television campaign in more then a year. Was a McDonald's monopoly campaign a while back. Markets don't get much bigger then SoCal and I don't see Lebron doing commercials ever. Don't think Kobe is doing any national campaigns either.

The storyline writes itself if Lebron went back to Cleveland. We love to build people up then knock them down. But we also love to forgive. Don't get me wrong I don't fault Lebron for leaving Cleveland besides the decision. Going back home is the perfect third act. To Cleveland. Americana. Think a lot of fans would be rooting for Cleveland to win a championship instead of rooting for anyone but Lebron. The sentiment is against Lebron. Staying in Miami is not going to change that and going to LA or NY will only make it worse. Lebron has been to the finals three years in a row with back to back titles. Yet you don't see him doing national Nike, Gatorade or McDonald's campaigns. Going to Cleveland could flip that script.

I used to see commercial spots of James holding a huge Galaxy Note II like it was an iPhone. Having Samsung as a sponsor is a huge deal.

Am I the only one seeing segments on ESPN with Magic Johnson wondering why Lebron does not have more national campaigns while CP3 and Griffin are on every commercial break?

 

[drummer]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

Perhaps Lebron is in regional commercials. But the ESPN segment I took in said he hasn't been featured in a national television campaign in more then a year. Was a McDonald's monopoly campaign a while back. Markets don't get much bigger then SoCal and I don't see Lebron doing commercials ever. Don't think Kobe is doing any national campaigns either.

The storyline writes itself if Lebron went back to Cleveland. We love to build people up then knock them down. But we also love to forgive. Don't get me wrong I don't fault Lebron for leaving Cleveland besides the decision. Going back home is the perfect third act. To Cleveland. Americana. Think a lot of fans would be rooting for Cleveland to win a championship instead of rooting for anyone but Lebron. The sentiment is against Lebron. Staying in Miami is not going to change that and going to LA or NY will only make it worse. Lebron has been to the finals three years in a row with back to back titles. Yet you don't see him doing national Nike, Gatorade or McDonald's campaigns. Going to Cleveland could flip that script.

I used to see commercial spots of James holding a huge Galaxy Note II like it was an iPhone. Having Samsung as a sponsor is a huge deal.

Am I the only one seeing segments on ESPN with Magic Johnson wondering why Lebron does not have more national campaigns while CP3 and Griffin are on every commercial break?

I dunno. Maybe James is tied into The Big Three a bit right now. I just see Griffin on a few spots but I doubt that contract would be as huge as James' would he decided to endorse the same product. Maybe James and his agent are carefully crafting what happens next, and that very well could be hinged on what happens in 2014. But the Samsung campaign is a nice pull, although I haven't seen any of he doing one for the GS4. That's probably more due to Samsung's many devices.

 

[Daywalker]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

Perhaps Lebron is in regional commercials. But the ESPN segment I took in said he hasn't been featured in a national television campaign in more then a year. Was a McDonald's monopoly campaign a while back. Markets don't get much bigger then SoCal and I don't see Lebron doing commercials ever. Don't think Kobe is doing any national campaigns either.

The storyline writes itself if Lebron went back to Cleveland. We love to build people up then knock them down. But we also love to forgive. Don't get me wrong I don't fault Lebron for leaving Cleveland besides the decision. Going back home is the perfect third act. To Cleveland. Americana. Think a lot of fans would be rooting for Cleveland to win a championship instead of rooting for anyone but Lebron. The sentiment is against Lebron. Staying in Miami is not going to change that and going to LA or NY will only make it worse. Lebron has been to the finals three years in a row with back to back titles. Yet you don't see him doing national Nike, Gatorade or McDonald's campaigns. Going to Cleveland could flip that script.

I used to see commercial spots of James holding a huge Galaxy Note II like it was an iPhone. Having Samsung as a sponsor is a huge deal.

Am I the only one seeing segments on ESPN with Magic Johnson wondering why Lebron does not have more national campaigns while CP3 and Griffin are on every commercial break?

I dunno. Maybe James is tied into The Big Three a bit right now. I just see Griffin on a few spots but I doubt that contract would be as huge as James' would he decided to endorse the same product. Maybe James and his agent are carefully crafting what happens next, and that very well could be hinged on what happens in 2014. But the Samsung campaign is a nice pull, although I haven't seen any of he doing one for the GS4. That's probably more due to Samsung's many devices.

Lebron 42mill in endorsements. Kobe 34mill. I would think Lebron would be making much more. Kobe was a pariah for a time. James is the center of the universe NBA-wise and his worst moment was a bad hour on ESPN not a rape charge.

 

[drummer]

Lebron is about 10 years from even considering returning to Cleveland.

He should go back to Cleveland. The goodwill he'd garner, especially if they win titles, would be an avalanche. The average fan loves to root against Lebron right now. That would change to a large degree if he went back to Cleveland.Lebron had $42mill in endorsements last year. Kobe had $34mill. Seems like the disparity should be much larger at this point in time. We've all the seen the segments on ESPN wondering why Paul and Griffin are all over the tube , commercial-wise, while Lebron is nowhere to be found. Just seems like Lebron is leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps that will change if he keeps on winning in Miami or say NY or LA and it gets overwhelming. But it may not. It hasn't happened yet. I do think if he went back to Cleveland and won it would guarantee him maxing out endorsement-wise. Could set him up to be one of those guys who continues to rake on huge endorsement dollars long after he retires.

So financially going back to Cleveland makes the most sense IMO. Lebron and Irving along with the rest of that young-promising roster would be very formidable. Plenty of assets to trade for another stud if necessary too. Financially and basketball-wise it's a no-brainer.

LeBron and Durant are all over the commercials up here. Paul and Griffin each have one set of commercials (insurance and Kia). I can't recall a Kobe commercial since the rape trial.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

Perhaps Lebron is in regional commercials. But the ESPN segment I took in said he hasn't been featured in a national television campaign in more then a year. Was a McDonald's monopoly campaign a while back. Markets don't get much bigger then SoCal and I don't see Lebron doing commercials ever. Don't think Kobe is doing any national campaigns either.

The storyline writes itself if Lebron went back to Cleveland. We love to build people up then knock them down. But we also love to forgive. Don't get me wrong I don't fault Lebron for leaving Cleveland besides the decision. Going back home is the perfect third act. To Cleveland. Americana. Think a lot of fans would be rooting for Cleveland to win a championship instead of rooting for anyone but Lebron. The sentiment is against Lebron. Staying in Miami is not going to change that and going to LA or NY will only make it worse. Lebron has been to the finals three years in a row with back to back titles. Yet you don't see him doing national Nike, Gatorade or McDonald's campaigns. Going to Cleveland could flip that script.

I used to see commercial spots of James holding a huge Galaxy Note II like it was an iPhone. Having Samsung as a sponsor is a huge deal.

Am I the only one seeing segments on ESPN with Magic Johnson wondering why Lebron does not have more national campaigns while CP3 and Griffin are on every commercial break?

I dunno. Maybe James is tied into The Big Three a bit right now. I just see Griffin on a few spots but I doubt that contract would be as huge as James' would he decided to endorse the same product. Maybe James and his agent are carefully crafting what happens next, and that very well could be hinged on what happens in 2014. But the Samsung campaign is a nice pull, although I haven't seen any of he doing one for the GS4. That's probably more due to Samsung's many devices.

Lebron 42mill in endorsements. Kobe 34mill. I would think Lebron would be making much more. Kobe was a pariah for a time. James is the center of the universe NBA-wise and his worst moment was a bad hour on ESPN not a rape charge.

Tiger Woods is still one of the highest paid sports figures, maybe even more then James or Bryant. Personal issues or past transgressions and accusations wane in the public eye over time, and with the current climate of reality shows and celebs who are flawed, it ain't like anything is shocking enough to derail talent. Sports stars are the new rock stars. Why? Because there are no rock stars anymore.