Timmay
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Who is in first place?
Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, Clippers could all compete for first imo. And the Warriors and Grizzlies could surprise people. If only the East was this competitive to de-crown the Heat.
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Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, Clippers could all compete for first imo. And the Warriors and Grizzlies could surprise people. If only the East was this competitive to de-crown the Heat.
Timmay
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Yeah, that wasn't clear. My bad.
I expect it to be either the Rockets or Thunder, but would love to see the Spurs make another run.
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Abraham
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Agreed. The coast to coast drive and dunk looked like the work of a 6'6 small forward. He's going to be a good one.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Gerald Green sounds like the player(s) heading to Phoenix for Scola.
Nice pickup by Indy. Will be a suitable backup replacement for Hansbrough.
Nice pickup by Indy. Will be a suitable backup replacement for Hansbrough.
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Zaxxon
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Agreed. Not sure if the salaries match but I would think Roy Hibbert would have to be thrown in as well.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Pretty good haul for the Suns for a player that's not in their plans.
Scola nice backup for the Pacers.
Good deal for both. Maybe Green does well on what looks to be an up tempo Suns team and is able to be dealt later.
Scola nice backup for the Pacers.
Good deal for both. Maybe Green does well on what looks to be an up tempo Suns team and is able to be dealt later.
pollardsvision
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Fantastic! Didn't want to lose him, but I didn't want it to cost $30 mill. to keep him either. With the run on flawed SGs this summer getting overpaid, I think that's a great deal.
3rd year is a player option, so that helped get the deal done, I'm sure.
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the Scola deal will make me think very hard about putting some money on the Pacers at 15 to 1. Their bench was horrid last year, and now they can bring Stephenson and Scola off the bench (paired with Granger starting).
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Abraham
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Point. George, granger, west, hibbert.
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Long Ball Larry
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bucks continue to waste everyone's time.
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Stephenson.
The new SF arena for GSW is going to cost $1b at the current proposed location, which is dumb, because it's on a pier.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/07/25/price-tag-grows-for-warriors-basketball-arena-in-san-francisco/
Timmay
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I like the deal for the Pacers as well. Gives them some good depth. Scola provides some decent offense.
Starters: Hill, George, Grainger, West, Hibbert
Role Players Bench: Stephenson, Watson, Copeland, Scola, Mahinmi
Biggest question I see is PG. Watson is more of a scorer than a distributor and Hill is a Tweener.
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Abraham
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Apparently. And oh yeah, the Rockets still have two Knicks second-rounders from giving them Camby in the first place.
I can't for the life of me imagine a scenario where they go to camp with Camby and Asik both on the roster, much less Greg Smith. Smith can float over to the 4 if needed behind Jones and Donuts, but Asik, Camby and Howard all at the center position is not overkill.
No. 16
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I actually believe Watson being more of a "scoring" PG is a better fit for this Indiana team than if he were a "tweener" or "distributor". Granger and George are over-sized wings who don't really penetrate well. They get their buckets off jump shots and in transition. Hibbert needs to be set up if you want to give him some offensive touches. Surprisingly, West is probably the best of the starters at initiating his own offense since he's able to drive by bigger PF when he faces them up. Then you look at the bench and aside from Scola..it gets rough on the offensive end between Stephenson and Mahinmi having to touch the rock at times.
I know that all reads like they need a more "traditional" PG, but to me it reads like a team that needs more people to get into the lane and can create their own offense. Now he can't do it consistently and that's why he's a back-up PG but I think he's as great addition as far as bench players are concerned. If they added a "traditional" PG like Ridnour... the team would be less dynamic.
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Camby/Donuts for Love?
Abraham
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Timmay
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Watson is an upgrade from Augustin, who could hardly handle the pressure last year against the Heat. But when it comes to the Bench, I think they will get most of their offense from Scola, Stephenson, and the outside shots from Copeland. Only creator of others people shots on the bench would be coming from Stephenson, who was erratic at times last year. I do think Stephenson will improve pretty significantly this year, and hope it works out, because the Pacers are a fun team to watch.
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Pistons giving up Brandon Knight in the deal, too.
Man of Zen
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Be interesting to see if Billups can help Jennings make the kind of maturity leap he made mid-career. Maybe not the worst spot in the world for Jennings to land, next to a mentor like that...if indeed Billups has that kind of personality
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The Bucks have also signed Gary Neal, alleviating concerns that without Jennings and Ellis they wouldn't have enough players to jack up ill-advised outside shots.
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I'm not sure if that is referring to Detroit or Milwaukee, but I think this is a pretty good deal for the Pistons. Jennings is signing a 3/25 deal which a little overpaid but not especially so for a 23 year old that could still improve. The Pistons now have a real PG instead of running out a shooting guard at point guard.
I don't like this deal as much for the Bucks though.
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Spartans Rule
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Jennings shot .375 on 3-pointers last year. It's more his shot selection that worries me.
Spartans Rule
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Bump for a reminder of how ####### terrible Brandon Jennings is.Jennings was a -12.1 on/off last season. By far the worst of anyone on the Bucks who played significant minutes. The defense was 9.2 points better and the offense was 3.8 points when Jennings was sitting. That is horrific. Next worst was Dalembert at 6.8.
ETA: 2nd worst in the league ahead of only Norris Cole.
2012 was damn near as bad at -9.8.
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He's on a team with Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith. He could be the second coming of Ray Allen and he'd never touch the ball.
Cliff Clavin
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For both. The Bucks are pretty self explanatory. Detroit has a whole whack of low percentage outside scorers (save for Billups but who knows what he has left in the tank) and bigs who do not compliment each other whatsoever. I've posted my thoughts on Jennings and think that his deal is pretty damn big overpay (saying that, I don't know what an average starting PG is making right now). I get that he is young and may improve be he hasn't shown any improvement since he has come into the league. By year 5, he probably is what he is. He certainly isn't going to be the star that he was touted as. Looks like he is going to settle in as, at best, a middle tier PG. He is comparable to guys like Felton, Harris and Nelson yet he is viewed as someone much better because he'll drop a Jeremy Lin© every once in a while.I'm not sure if that is referring to Detroit or Milwaukee, but I think this is a pretty good deal for the Pistons. Jennings is signing a 3/25 deal which a little overpaid but not especially so for a 23 year old that could still improve. The Pistons now have a real PG instead of running out a shooting guard at point guard.
I don't like this deal as much for the Bucks though.
I don't think they're gaining much by adding a "real" PG in Jennings. He's a shoot first guy and the offences he's been a part of in Milwakuee have been pretty terrible; bottom half of the league in each of his seasons (dead last once). No, it isn't all his fault, but as the starting PG, a fair bit of that falls on his shoulders IMO. His AST% and AST ratio are near the bottom of all PGs. The Pistons were going to have a hard time scoring before adding him and I don't think that is going to change much. I think they'll be a bottom 10 team on offence and at best a slightly below average team on D.
Craig_MiamiFL
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I haven't seen the kid they drafted from Georgia play much. Hope he can shoot, because no other starter can.
Then again, he may never see the ball with Josh Smith and Jennings...
Not the massive overpay I thought Jennings could see. But Detroit would have been better off getting a real PG. (Whether it be Billups for a year or having Billups and another PG for a year and address it next offseason).
Then again, he may never see the ball with Josh Smith and Jennings...
Not the massive overpay I thought Jennings could see. But Detroit would have been better off getting a real PG. (Whether it be Billups for a year or having Billups and another PG for a year and address it next offseason).
Good Posting Judge
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UConn went after Kemba after Brandon Jennings backed out on them. Pretty awesome turn of events, that one.
Long Ball Larry
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And Harris and Nelson make the same amount as he will at 3/25.For both. The Bucks are pretty self explanatory. Detroit has a whole whack of low percentage outside scorers (save for Billups but who knows what he has left in the tank) and bigs who do not compliment each other whatsoever. I've posted my thoughts on Jennings and think that his deal is pretty damn big overpay (saying that, I don't know what an average starting PG is making right now). I get that he is young and may improve be he hasn't shown any improvement since he has come into the league. By year 5, he probably is what he is. He certainly isn't going to be the star that he was touted as. Looks like he is going to settle in as, at best, a middle tier PG. He is comparable to guys like Felton, Harris and Nelson yet he is viewed as someone much better because he'll drop a Jeremy Lin© every once in a while.I'm not sure if that is referring to Detroit or Milwaukee, but I think this is a pretty good deal for the Pistons. Jennings is signing a 3/25 deal which a little overpaid but not especially so for a 23 year old that could still improve. The Pistons now have a real PG instead of running out a shooting guard at point guard.
I don't like this deal as much for the Bucks though.
I don't think they're gaining much by adding a "real" PG in Jennings. He's a shoot first guy and the offences he's been a part of in Milwakuee have been pretty terrible; bottom half of the league in each of his seasons (dead last once). No, it isn't all his fault, but as the starting PG, a fair bit of that falls on his shoulders IMO. His AST% and AST ratio are near the bottom of all PGs. The Pistons were going to have a hard time scoring before adding him and I don't think that is going to change much. I think they'll be a bottom 10 team on offence and at best a slightly below average team on D.
Cliff Clavin
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Harris initially signed with Dallas for 3/$9 before having the deal rescinded due to an ankle injury. Not sure if they finalized a deal again or not. Yes, Nelson did get 3/25. Can you find anyone who thinks that is a good signing?And Harris and Nelson make the same amount as he will at 3/25.For both. The Bucks are pretty self explanatory. Detroit has a whole whack of low percentage outside scorers (save for Billups but who knows what he has left in the tank) and bigs who do not compliment each other whatsoever. I've posted my thoughts on Jennings and think that his deal is pretty damn big overpay (saying that, I don't know what an average starting PG is making right now). I get that he is young and may improve be he hasn't shown any improvement since he has come into the league. By year 5, he probably is what he is. He certainly isn't going to be the star that he was touted as. Looks like he is going to settle in as, at best, a middle tier PG. He is comparable to guys like Felton, Harris and Nelson yet he is viewed as someone much better because he'll drop a Jeremy Lin© every once in a while.I'm not sure if that is referring to Detroit or Milwaukee, but I think this is a pretty good deal for the Pistons. Jennings is signing a 3/25 deal which a little overpaid but not especially so for a 23 year old that could still improve. The Pistons now have a real PG instead of running out a shooting guard at point guard.
I don't like this deal as much for the Bucks though.
I don't think they're gaining much by adding a "real" PG in Jennings. He's a shoot first guy and the offences he's been a part of in Milwakuee have been pretty terrible; bottom half of the league in each of his seasons (dead last once). No, it isn't all his fault, but as the starting PG, a fair bit of that falls on his shoulders IMO. His AST% and AST ratio are near the bottom of all PGs. The Pistons were going to have a hard time scoring before adding him and I don't think that is going to change much. I think they'll be a bottom 10 team on offence and at best a slightly below average team on D.
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