*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[Raider Nation]

I still think it's unfathomable that someone with a doughy body and zero foot speed like Reeves would be on an NBA roster. If he played Artis 1-on-1 to 100, Reeves would never score.

Driving with authority: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlUvVxbd24

Against a bunch of actors. Although he's got the Vlade FLOP down cold.

 

[Mister CIA]

Tony Parker is pretty good.

 

[thecatch]

T. Evans through 2 games:

23min. off bench, 2-8 for 4 pts, 3 ast., 3TO

17min. off bench, 0-4 for 0 pts, 3 ast., 2 TO

Only two games but 4/44mill to be a role player? Never made sense.

Certainly doesn't make sense at 20 mpg

 

[Don Quixote]

Sixers are 2-0 for the first time since 2006-2007

MCW has a lot of potential. Took it to Wall down the stretch. This is a much better squad than we thought in the preseason. That said, Thad Young had huge mismatches all night and that's the biggest reason they won. Evan Turner was also taking advantage of Beal's softness.Washington should be so much better. They have interesting pieces, but they literally run no offense. You can't get away with that in today's NBA. Wall doesn't have the bball IQ and/or experience to make up for the lack of scheme unfortunately. They need a X's and O's coach in the worst way.

I keep thinking they will get rid of Wittman, but they've saved his job the past two years by getting "hot" at the end of the year, providing some sign of encouragement. He definitely has to go.

 

[tom22406]

Sixers are 2-0 for the first time since 2006-2007

MCW has a lot of potential. Took it to Wall down the stretch. This is a much better squad than we thought in the preseason. That said, Thad Young had huge mismatches all night and that's the biggest reason they won. Evan Turner was also taking advantage of Beal's softness.Washington should be so much better. They have interesting pieces, but they literally run no offense. You can't get away with that in today's NBA. Wall doesn't have the bball IQ and/or experience to make up for the lack of scheme unfortunately. They need a X's and O's coach in the worst way.

I keep thinking they will get rid of Wittman, but they've saved his job the past two years by getting "hot" at the end of the year, providing some sign of encouragement. He definitely has to go.

Wittman is a good guy but has no business as an NBA head coach.

You can take Grunfeld with him as well if you don't mind.

Bottom line is they have two very good young pieces to build around and need a GM and coach that can get the best out of them and the team and unfortunately they have neither right now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Pistons look like they might legit this year. I'm impressed so far.

watch some of that memphis game.

could make the playoffs this year if they stay healthy, Jennings hasnt played yet either.

 

[Eephus]

For you older guys, when you think of Artis Gilmore, do you picture him with the Bulls or the Spurs?

That's a tough one for me. He spent roughly the same amount of time with each club.

I picture him at Jacksonville U alongside Pembrook Burrows

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I picture him plowing my freshman dorm advisor's fiancee, which is apparently what happened.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

MCW playing well again against the Bulls.

The whole Philadelphia team is impressive to watch. They play hard on both ends of the court, and they play fast without being reckless.

You can see why Brown was Popovich's lead assistant.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

MCW playing well again against the Bulls.

26 points 10 assists 4 boards 3 steals 4 turnovers and another dub

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

The 3-0 Philadelphia 76ers.

 

[Insein]

The 3-0 Philadelphia 76ers.

With wins over the heat and bulls. I can't tell if this just youthful energy or are the a decent team. I expected them to lose 60 games this year. So this is nice for now.

 

[Raider Nation]

The 3-0 Philadelphia 76ers.

You know why this is happening, right? Earlier this week, Mike Francesa interviewed Steve Kerr. He chuckled as he asked Kerr about Philly's season over/under total (16.5).

Mikey is very satisfied with himself about this clever question, and proceeds to ask rhetorically why they would bother winning 25 games when you can win 12 and get a better player, who in his mind is "the Wiggins kid from Kansas." (A kid Mike would not know if he was run over by him on the street the same afternoon)

Starts at about the 9:25 mark.

 

[Billy Bats]

The 3-0 Philadelphia 76ers.

With wins over the heat and bulls. I can't tell if this just youthful energy or are the a decent team. I expected them to lose 60 games this year. So this is nice for now.

Apparently, not everyone got the memo. Does Hinkie go all out and trade Turner and Young now too?!

 

[Daywalker]

A. Davis era may be here. 9-13 for 25pts, 7-8FT, 8rebs, 6 steals and 6 blocks. Only 2 TO.

Most valuable assets:

1. Lebron

2. Durant

3. Davis

Davis is 20.

 

[Popinski]

A. Davis era may be here. 9-13 for 25pts, 7-8FT, 8rebs, 6 steals and 6 blocks. Only 2 TO.

Most valuable assets:

1. Lebron

2. Durant

3. Davis

Davis is 20.

He also had 4 assists, one short from having a 5x5 game.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Derrick Rose with a PER of 1.7 through 3 games. He's been absolutely putrid. It doesn't seem physical; he's as athletic as ever. He just seems to have lost the ability to make proper decisions, particularly when penetrating. You expect rust after not playing for a year and a half (not even pick-up games) but this amount of rustiness is shocking. He looked good during preseason. I guess that shows how much of a difference there is between the preseason and regular season.

 

[pollardsvision]

Not too shocking though. Man that was such a long time he was out.

Last time he played, idiots were still making jokes about LeBron's clutchness and his inability to win a ring.

 

[Abraham]

Westbrook back tonight!

 

[Moe.]

Westbrook back tonight!

Nice, they are no fun to watch without him.

 

[Premier]

Magic might be a bit too good to be in the Wiggins race.

 

[eaganwildcats]

T-Wolves putting on a show!

 

[boubucarow]

Derrick Rose with a PER of 1.7 through 3 games. He's been absolutely putrid. It doesn't seem physical; he's as athletic as ever. He just seems to have lost the ability to make proper decisions, particularly when penetrating. You expect rust after not playing for a year and a half (not even pick-up games) but this amount of rustiness is shocking. He looked good during preseason. I guess that shows how much of a difference there is between the preseason and regular season.

It often seems like he is thinking to slow for how fast he is going. He isn't letting the game come to him either. He is pushing the issue in disadvantageous situations.

The other troubling aspect is the spacing of the offense. They don't seem to know what to do with Butler and Deng together. They do have plenty of time to get it together. But dropping games like Saturday could be a problem in seeding in the end. And the Bulls need the #1 seed more than the Heat do to succeed.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

T-Wolves putting on a show!

OUR WOLVES!

Although the Knicks are starting to pop a few 3s.

 

[eaganwildcats]

T-Wolves putting on a show!

OUR WOLVES!

Although the Knicks are starting to pop a few 3s.

I am enjoying the Kevin Martin experience thus far.

 

[eaganwildcats]

T-Wolves putting on a show!

OUR WOLVES!

Although the Knicks are starting to pop a few 3s.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

 

[biggamer3]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

 

[SoBeDad]

MCW playing well again against the Bulls.

26 points 10 assists 4 boards 3 steals 4 turnovers and another dub

I'm looking forward to the GS-Philly game tomorrow. It's only 3 games, but MCW looks special.

 

[Eephus]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

Anthony Davis is poised to leapfrog the bunch

 

[tommyGunZ]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

Anthony Davis is poised to leapfrog the bunch

This. Davis is better than Love right now.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Derrick Rose with a PER of 1.7 through 3 games. He's been absolutely putrid. It doesn't seem physical; he's as athletic as ever. He just seems to have lost the ability to make proper decisions, particularly when penetrating. You expect rust after not playing for a year and a half (not even pick-up games) but this amount of rustiness is shocking. He looked good during preseason. I guess that shows how much of a difference there is between the preseason and regular season.

It often seems like he is thinking to slow for how fast he is going. He isn't letting the game come to him either. He is pushing the issue in disadvantageous situations.

The other troubling aspect is the spacing of the offense. They don't seem to know what to do with Butler and Deng together. They do have plenty of time to get it together. But dropping games like Saturday could be a problem in seeding in the end. And the Bulls need the #1 seed more than the Heat do to succeed.

Butler is the biggest X factor on offense. His role as an elite wing defender is obvious but I hope he will continue to develop offensively. Most of his points are coming on fast breaks at this point but I think he has the potential of being more efficient offensively than Deng or Boozer if he asserts himself. We'll see.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

I was going to say that you're better than this...but you really aren't.

 

[thecatch]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

 

[Abraham]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

 

[Man of Zen]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

Let's also see him get out of the bottom tier of all PF's defensively. He's a great one-way player, but 50% is still an F at most schools.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

Let's also see him get out of the bottom tier of all PF's defensively. He's a great one-way player, but 50% is still an F at most schools.

So Melo gets an F as well then. That doesn't change the statement.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

Guy is a GREAT fantasy player, and he's put up two monster years in the 5 he's been in the league.

Would love to have him, he can be great, but as Cliff mentioned he has to stay healthy. The idea that he's better than Melo is laughable.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

Guy is a GREAT fantasy player, and he's put up two monster years in the 5 he's been in the league.

Would love to have him, he can be great, but as Cliff mentioned he has to stay healthy. The idea that he's better than Melo is laughable.

What is Melo better at?

They're both piss poor defenders so lets forget about that.

Rebounding - Love

Scoring - Love

Passing - Maybe a slight edge to Melo?

What else?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

Guy is a GREAT fantasy player, and he's put up two monster years in the 5 he's been in the league.

Would love to have him, he can be great, but as Cliff mentioned he has to stay healthy. The idea that he's better than Melo is laughable.

What is Melo better at?

They're both piss poor defenders so lets forget about that.

Rebounding - Love

Scoring - Love

Passing - Maybe a slight edge to Melo?

What else?

LOL

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

Guy is a GREAT fantasy player, and he's put up two monster years in the 5 he's been in the league.

Would love to have him, he can be great, but as Cliff mentioned he has to stay healthy. The idea that he's better than Melo is laughable.

What is Melo better at?

They're both piss poor defenders so lets forget about that.

Rebounding - Love

Scoring - Love

Passing - Maybe a slight edge to Melo?

What else?

LOL

Almost not worth mentioning based on how little both do it. If you really wanted to nit pick Melo would probably come out ever so slightly ahead. I was just throwing TGunz a bone.

 

[hxperson]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

Guy is a GREAT fantasy player, and he's put up two monster years in the 5 he's been in the league.

Would love to have him, he can be great, but as Cliff mentioned he has to stay healthy. The idea that he's better than Melo is laughable.

What is Melo better at?

They're both piss poor defenders so lets forget about that.

Rebounding - Love

Scoring - Love

Passing - Maybe a slight edge to Melo?

What else?

LOL

While I'm in the camp that thinks Love is better than Melo, I do think Melo is better at quite a few things, including:

- Handles

- Creating his own shot

- Interior Passing, although Love is as good on the fast break

- Man defense

Love is better at:

- consistency of jump shot, esp. from 3 pt range

- rebounding

- Offense in the post

IMO

 

[Sammy3469]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

Oof.

Guess what KLove's career playoff average is?

for when he ends up in purple and gold and you act like he's the best player ever.

Guy is a GREAT fantasy player, and he's put up two monster years in the 5 he's been in the league.

Would love to have him, he can be great, but as Cliff mentioned he has to stay healthy. The idea that he's better than Melo is laughable.

What is Melo better at?

They're both piss poor defenders so lets forget about that.

Rebounding - Love

Scoring - Love

Passing - Maybe a slight edge to Melo?

What else?

LOL

While I'm in the camp that thinks Love is better than Melo, I do think Melo is better at quite a few things, including:

- Handles

- Creating his own shot

- Interior Passing, although Love is as good on the fast break

- Man defense

Love is better at:

- consistency of jump shot, esp. from 3 pt range

- rebounding

- Offense in the post

IMO

His defensive rebounding rate is getting the short end of the stick in this discussion. Yeah he's not the best one on one defender, but he also ends a whole bunch of possessions (and then has a tremendous outlet pass) that Melo doesn't have.

 

[thecatch]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

True top 5 players can just about get there on their own.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

True top 5 players can just about get there on their own.

Okay.

 

[pollardsvision]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

True top 5 players can just about get there on their own.

Okay.

I think Love may very well be a Top 5 player (and I'd rather have him than Carmelo), but I also agree that if the T-Wolves don't finish .500 and probably if they miss the playoffs, we'll have to revisit whether or not that's really the case.

Love's got some excuses in the past for the team stinking and the T-Wolves ascension has been delayed by injuries, but he's 25 now and the supporting cast is adequate to go .500 (if Love's really that good).

 

[hxperson]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

True top 5 players can just about get there on their own.

Okay.

I think Love may very well be a Top 5 player (and I'd rather have him than Carmelo), but I also agree that if the T-Wolves don't finish .500 and probably if they miss the playoffs, we'll have to revisit whether or not that's really the case.

Love's got some excuses in the past for the team stinking and the T-Wolves ascension has been delayed by injuries, but he's 25 now and the supporting cast is adequate to go .500 (if Love's really that good).

If Rubio, Love, and Pek all avoid major injuries I can't see that not happening.

 

[Eephus]

Kevin Love is better than Carmelo Anthony and it isn't close. And it hasn't been close since Love's 3rd season (a good argument could probably be made for his 2nd). If he could only stay healthy...

If Love is healthy he is better than most anybody in the league. He is in the next tier right below LBJ/Durant/Paul and IMO about equal in value to Westy/Harden/Rose. His skill set is out of this world amazing on the offensive side of the ball. He is a step above Blake/Aldridge/Horford in the PF position.

I enjoy watching the wolves but lets not get carried away. Let's see him guide a team to a .500 record before we anoint him a top 5 NBA player.

That requires at least mediocre team-mates which Love has yet to have in his career.

True top 5 players can just about get there on their own.

Okay.

I think Love may very well be a Top 5 player (and I'd rather have him than Carmelo), but I also agree that if the T-Wolves don't finish .500 and probably if they miss the playoffs, we'll have to revisit whether or not that's really the case.

Love's got some excuses in the past for the team stinking and the T-Wolves ascension has been delayed by injuries, but he's 25 now and the supporting cast is adequate to go .500 (if Love's really that good).

If Rubio, Love, and Pek all avoid major injuries I can't see that not happening.

Minnesota will lead the league in triple negatives.