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I don't see why Love would ever go to Boston unless 2 other stars are going with him.
#1 - It's Boston#2 - Rondo is a star caliber point guard

#3 - They have the best young coach in the game, IMO

All they need is a third good-to-great player and I think it makes a lot of sense.

That said, I'd go to Chicago if I were him.
Boston isn't an NBA destination city like LA. Rondo, Love, and another good not great player is not exactly an unstoppable juggernaut.
A lot of wrong in this post.I would love to see a healthy Rondo with Love and someone else like Gordon Hayward or Lance Stephenson. They could start to compete immediately in the East.
This combination seems like a 3-6 seed in the east with no real chance of winning a title.
Exactly.

 
Draft Lottery is tonight :towelwave:
I think this one is big for the league. The teams with the best chance at the top 4 picks are all in the east iirc and even though I'm sure some of the highly projected guys won't pan out, at least one or two should be good enough to change a teams trajectory all by themselves. Furthermore, if la or Boston ends up in the top 3 then the Kevin love trade chatter will increase.

Jalen made an interesting observation about Parker. Said that the Carmelo analogy is not very accurate and offered Glen Robinson, which I can't beeline I didn't think of. That is an excellent comp and despite people not remembering Robinson fondly for the most part, 22/6/3 isn't the worst thing in the world.

I think wiggins is still the guy you take at 1. Embids back injury scares me.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Uh sure. I don't follow the lottery/draft. :shrug:

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Uh sure. I don't follow the lottery/draft. :shrug:
So you're not a lifelong Miami fan then?

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.
That seems unfair.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.
Kings had the number 1 pick in 1989 but did not have the worst record the prior year. Was there something different about the lottery then?

 
If the Spurs win the title and Kawhi Leonard (aka Sugar K Leonard) continues his forceful march towards excellence, I think KL will become a top 3 NBA media star.
He has a reputation for being very shy and quiet.Personally, he is one of my favorite players to watch.
I love when they say that Pop "had a hard time" letting George Hill go for Kawhi. I'm sure he loses a ton of sleep over it.
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can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.
Kings had the number 1 pick in 1989 but did not have the worst record the prior year. Was there something different about the lottery then?
Magic won the MVP with 22.5 / 8 / 13. Taking NOTHING away from the versatility of Lebron and others, but last year's MVP campaign was 27/8/7. 13 Assists a game for Magic is awesome.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.
Kings had the number 1 pick in 1989 but did not have the worst record the prior year. Was there something different about the lottery then?
The current lottery system began in 1994. Before that the odds weren't weighted I guess. So maybe my fun fact needs an asterisk.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.
Kings had the number 1 pick in 1989 but did not have the worst record the prior year. Was there something different about the lottery then?
Magic won the MVP with 22.5 / 8 / 13. Taking NOTHING away from the versatility of Lebron and others, but last year's MVP campaign was 27/8/7. 13 Assists a game for Magic is awesome.
Good counterpoint.

 
can't wait to see what happens with Indy tomorrow.. Do they show up or just get rolled?
I bet at least one person in this thread has a strong opinion on this.
Miami will kick asssssssssssssssss tonight! :towelwave:
Who are you cheering for in the lottery? I'm hoping the kings end up with a spot that gets them Exum or Smart to pair with boogie or a slot that gets them Embid to put next to him.
Fun fact: despite plentiful opportunities, the Kings have never improved their draft position in the lottery.
Kings had the number 1 pick in 1989 but did not have the worst record the prior year. Was there something different about the lottery then?
The current lottery system began in 1994. Before that the odds weren't weighted I guess. So maybe my fun fact needs an asterisk.
Interesting. you could throw in that the time they got the number 1 pick, it was like the worst draft ever.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I would also love New Orleans to get the number 6 pick.

 
If the Spurs win the title and Kawhi Leonard (aka Sugar K Leonard) continues his forceful march towards excellence, I think KL will become a top 3 NBA media star.
Tim Duncan is one of the top 3 players of the last fifteen years and one of the top ten players of all time and he has been largely ignored.So "doubtful"
Ignored is an over-statement. He is boring, no question about it, but anyone who watches basketball has a ton of respect for him getting #### done, regardless of how vanilla his game is.
Are we really debating Duncan's place in NBA history? If Ray Allen doesn't hit that three Duncan would have been in a stratosphere Lebron could never surpass. Allen hit it. That's the way it goes. Spurs looking great again this season. If they win it all it will be unlikely Lebron will ever surpass Duncan in the pantheon. At least in my book.
Especially at 37.

 
As a Pacers fan, the ideal win tonight for me would be Lebron playing out of his mind but Indy keeping it close all night thanks to good games from West and Hibbert and some good bench production. Then at the end, West makes a few big shots and as time runs out, George makes a tough shot over Lebron for the win.

IMO, another blowout win would send Miami into overdrive and they would somehow find that other gear the rest of the way starting in Miami. But Lebron giving it his best and the Heat still losing to a last second shot would be devastating IMO. It would not only be a huge burden on Lebron, it would also be a major confidence booster to Indy to win a tight game like that after taking Lebron's best shot.

So that's my ideal game that's played out for Indy tonight.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I would also love New Orleans to get the number 6 pick.
The Pelicans can't get the #6 pick. Only thing Pelicans can do is keep #10, get top 3 or drop from anywhere to 11-13. So best case scenario is that NO doesn't win any of the top 3 picks and no team behind them gets a top pick either.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I would also love New Orleans to get the number 6 pick.
Can't happen. The best the Sixers can get from NO is #10. The only way NO can move up is if they get 1,2, or 3, which the Sixers wouldn't get.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.
Whoever wrote that is a moron. Love is a top 10 player with will barely be 26 when next season starts. You make that trade every day if you know he will resign.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.
Whoever wrote that is a moron. Love is a top 10 player with will barely be 26 when next season starts. You make that trade every day if you know he will resign.
But if you're drafting a franchise player which most feel the top 3 will be for less than a 3rd of the cost, you can still sign a max contract guy to go with him.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.
Whoever wrote that is a moron. Love is a top 10 player with will barely be 26 when next season starts. You make that trade every day if you know he will resign.
Love has peaked and is (IMO) somewhere around the 15th best player in the league. I'd rather roll the dice that Wiggins or Parker is a top 5 player in the league for the next 15 years.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.
Whoever wrote that is a moron. Love is a top 10 player with will barely be 26 when next season starts. You make that trade every day if you know he will resign.
Love has peaked and is (IMO) somewhere around the 15th best player in the league. I'd rather roll the dice that Wiggins or Parker is a top 5 player in the league for the next 15 years.
I'd love to see a list of the 14 guys you think are better than Love and why you think a 25 year old has hit his peak.

 
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Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.
Whoever wrote that is a moron. Love is a top 10 player with will barely be 26 when next season starts. You make that trade every day if you know he will resign.
Love has peaked and is (IMO) somewhere around the 15th best player in the league. I'd rather roll the dice that Wiggins or Parker is a top 5 player in the league for the next 15 years.
I'll take that bet. Love is basically 25/12/4. Top 5 in PER, Free Throws, rebounds, win shares, scoring...

 
Love is a great player, but I'd still highly consider taking Wiggins and another max contract guy vs Love.
2 big assumptions / gambles (that Wiggins will be great and that you can get a worthy max guy) vs guaranteeing yourself one of the best players in the league.

ETA: And that Wiggins will be "ready" while the max guy is still around and playing at a high level. From all accounts, Wiggins still has a lot of learning to do.

 
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Love is a great player, but I'd still highly consider taking Wiggins and another max contract guy vs Love.
It is going to be hard to sign a max contract guy this offseason unless they overspend to get someone like Deng or Lowry. 2 positions the Celtics don't need. No way Carmelo goes there. Lebron still has to opt out.

 
Love is a great player, but I'd still highly consider taking Wiggins and another max contract guy vs Love.
2 big assumptions / gambles (that Wiggins will be great and that you can get a worthy max guy) vs guaranteeing yourself one of the best players in the league.

ETA: And that Wiggins will be "ready" while the max guy is still around and playing at a high level. From all accounts, Wiggins still has a lot of learning to do.
I'm just going by the general consensus regarding the top 3. I don't think anyone is talking about Boston winning a championship next year so this really would be looking a few years out. If you can find that worthy max guy and that's obvious a part of the process like it is with any team, then they're going to be better off. Regardless, its definitely something worth considering. Not to mention, they're going to have to give up more than just a top 3 pick to get Love.

 
Love is a great player, but I'd still highly consider taking Wiggins and another max contract guy vs Love.
It is going to be hard to sign a max contract guy this offseason unless they overspend to get someone like Deng or Lowry. 2 positions the Celtics don't need. No way Carmelo goes there. Lebron still has to opt out.
There's no point of rushing it by signing a guy this year since there still a ways away from contending and whoever they'd draft would take some time to get their feet wet. They could sign someone in 2015, even 2016, and still have 2 years left on this year's draftees rookie contract.

 
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.

 
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
It'd make sense for teams that actually have some other good players in place, like maybe Cleveland and Philly. If you're the Lakers or some other team that's pretty devoid of other talent it's a terrible idea. You'll basically be worse off than the TWolves, as your roster won't be appealing and you won't have any picks to address the talent shortage with - I doubt he resigns with you. Even if he stays it'll be a while before you can put any other quality guys with him. You're better off rolling the dice by keeping the pick, hoping to get a good young building block and that Love doesn't sign an extension this year so you have a shot at landing him as a free agent. If the Celtics could do it without giving up their top pick and Rondo it might work for them, but like was said earlier you're looking at being a 3-5 seed with no obvious path for improvement from there.

 
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I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
It'd make sense for teams that actually have some other good players in place, like maybe Cleveland and Philly. If you're the Lakers or some other team that's pretty devoid of other talent it's a terrible idea. You'll basically be worse off than the TWolves, as your roster won't be appealing and you won't have any picks to address the talent shortage with - I doubt he resigns with you. Even if he stays it'll be a while before you can put any other quality guys with him. You're better off rolling the dice by keeping the pick, hoping to get a good young building block and that Love doesn't sign an extension this year so you have a shot at landing him as a free agent. If the Celtics could do it without giving up their top pick and Rondo it might work for them, but like was said earlier you're looking at being a 3-5 seed with no obvious path for improvement from there.
I was assuming he'd re-sign. Even if the team acquiring him has no other stars, we know from Love's history that he won't do anything to stop you from getting another nice lottery pick to build with the following year. But my comment was more directed at those are saying they'd rather pick a franchise guy in the draft - I'm not sure any of these guys are locks to be that good.

 
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
It'd make sense for teams that actually have some other good players in place, like maybe Cleveland and Philly. If you're the Lakers or some other team that's pretty devoid of other talent it's a terrible idea. You'll basically be worse off than the TWolves, as your roster won't be appealing and you won't have any picks to address the talent shortage with - I doubt he resigns with you. Even if he stays it'll be a while before you can put any other quality guys with him. You're better off rolling the dice by keeping the pick, hoping to get a good young building block and that Love doesn't sign an extension this year so you have a shot at landing him as a free agent. If the Celtics could do it without giving up their top pick and Rondo it might work for them, but like was said earlier you're looking at being a 3-5 seed with no obvious path for improvement from there.
I was assuming he'd re-sign. Even if the team acquiring him has no other stars, we know from Love's history that he won't do anything to stop you from getting another nice lottery pick to build with the following year. But my comment was more directed at those are saying they'd rather pick a franchise guy in the draft - I'm not sure any of these guys are locks to be that good.
I don't think it's a given. It sounds like he's tired of not making the playoffs, so I doubt he does a long term deal in a place where the prospects are dim, which they certainly would be if the Lakers dealt their 1st rounder to acquire him. So in their case I think it makes more sense to keep the pick and gamble that way rather than trade it away for him and hope he resigns with an otherwise lousy team. They tried this already with Howard - didn't work out so well.

 
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
This class is still one of the deepest drafts at the top. If you don't think its that hot, its a combination of the media over hyping it along with unrealistic expectations for these guys. I don't know what people expect but a top 3 pick will alter the direction of some of these franchises.

 
Here are a few things im hoping for with tonight's lottery:

-76ers to get the #1 overall pick-I want to see wiggins with nerlens and mcw.

-Celtics to get a top 3 pick, entice the Love trade talks even more, get him away from LA.

-Jazz to get a good position to draft Parker. Be it 1-4. I think he will stick around there for the long haul if drafted by them, smaller market teams with star player.

I think the Magic will come out with the #1 overall pick though.
I was reading that if they get a top 3, it will be less likely of them to deal that for Love b/c of the star potential of the top 3 players.
Whoever wrote that is a moron. Love is a top 10 player with will barely be 26 when next season starts. You make that trade every day if you know he will resign.
Love has peaked and is (IMO) somewhere around the 15th best player in the league. I'd rather roll the dice that Wiggins or Parker is a top 5 player in the league for the next 15 years.
I'd love to see a list of the 14 guys you think are better than Love and why you think a 25 year old has hit his peak.
He's not exactly very athletic. So he relies on skills.... shooting, positioning, court vision, etc. He's already developed those really well. I don't see a lot of room for improvement in those areas. What parts of his game is he going to improve in order to reach a higher peak level?

 
sporthenry said:
thecatch said:
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
This class is still one of the deepest drafts at the top. If you don't think its that hot, its a combination of the media over hyping it along with unrealistic expectations for these guys. I don't know what people expect but a top 3 pick will alter the direction of some of these franchises.
What are the odds of anybody in this draft outperforming Love?

 
sporthenry said:
thecatch said:
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
This class is still one of the deepest drafts at the top. If you don't think its that hot, its a combination of the media over hyping it along with unrealistic expectations for these guys. I don't know what people expect but a top 3 pick will alter the direction of some of these franchises.
What are the odds of anybody in this draft outperforming Love?
Maybe Parker or Randle... Maybe. Nobody else.

 
sporthenry said:
thecatch said:
I think Love is overrated as a franchise centerpiece but even I would deal a top pick this year for him. This class isn't looking nearly as hot as it did in the fall.
This class is still one of the deepest drafts at the top. If you don't think its that hot, its a combination of the media over hyping it along with unrealistic expectations for these guys. I don't know what people expect but a top 3 pick will alter the direction of some of these franchises.
What are the odds of anybody in this draft outperforming Love?
Excellent. I just wouldn't want to have to pick who it will be.

 

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