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The odd lack of home court edge this playoffs was mostly just the Wiz, who went 1-4 at home and 5-1 on the road. They were like that all season; actually tied for the best road record in the East. Take them out and the edge is the same as previous seasons. I'd still give a big edge to San Antonio.

I feel like NBA fans collectively willed Ibaka back to health so we didn't have to sit through two weeks of boring basketball. Way to heal, Serge.

 
sports_fan said:
got_nugs said:
timschochet said:
Ghost Rider said:
Home teams are 44-35 in these playoffs, which means they are winning 56% of the time. That is not overwhelming.
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You're right. Just my impression I guess.
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Isn't it also an outlier season in the playoffs compared to recent history in regards to away team wins? I'm just talking out of my ### here without stats, maybe i'm wrong.
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Pretty sure you're right. The 1st round was pretty strange and highly unusual.

Home team playoff record the past few seasons.

2013: 54-31 (.635)

2012: 57-27 (.679)

2011: 54-27 (.667)
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I think a lot of that has to do with the little bit of parity that is starting to show in the league. In the East, the only series that was set to be lopsided was Miami vs Cha. Tor/Bkn, Chi/Was and Indy/Atl were are evenly matched. Same goes in the West. Any series winner in the West would not have been that big of an upset had the lower seeds won.

 
IND has been pretty ####ty at home this postseason too haven't they?

Hard to imagine they couldn't perform in front of that home crowd what with the entire city bursting with excitement and some tickets even going for more than a Five Guys bacon cheeseburger.

 
HughHoney said:
Abraham said:
HughHoney said:
Tim Duncan is easily a top 20 player all time correct?

Spurs were down 12 with 11 minutes left and he never came into the game. They were down 12 with 4 minutes left, so it never really got out of hand during that time.

What the hell was Pop doing? Am I missing something?
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More like top 7 with room to spare.
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Agreed. My point being, down 12 with 11 to play, you put a top 10 all time player in and win the game. Just terrible coaching. Pop will act like he's above the criticism and he's smarter than everybody in the presser but he was wrong tonight.
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Seems like what Pop did worked perfectly but then he didn't follow through. 2nd unit took it from 25 down to 12, 14 with plenty of time left on the clock… put the starters in early 4th and see what happens. Oh well.

OKC played 2 best effort games at home. I do think the Spurs get it back in game 5. I love the momentum shifts of each game in any relatively even 7 game series. Great stuff.

 
HughHoney said:
Ghost Rider said:
Okay. but you act like putting Duncan back in would have guaranteed a win; it wouldn't have. The Thunder weren't getting beat by anyone tonight, and I like Pop's move of benching his starters for the rest of the game, considering the shellacking they were taking.
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I watch very few NBA games a year so you know more than me but having an all time player like Duncan, 12 points isn't all that much to overcome.
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He's 38 years old. 38-year-old Tim Duncan is not one of the 20 best players in the history of the NBA.

Pop tries to take the long view with all of this. He is certainly not infallible, but I would trust him to know his players and what they are physically capable of at any given time.

You could debate whether the game was truly winnable at that point, but I don't think it's as simple as Duncan or no Duncan.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
HughHoney said:
Ghost Rider said:
Okay. but you act like putting Duncan back in would have guaranteed a win; it wouldn't have. The Thunder weren't getting beat by anyone tonight, and I like Pop's move of benching his starters for the rest of the game, considering the shellacking they were taking.
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I watch very few NBA games a year so you know more than me but having an all time player like Duncan, 12 points isn't all that much to overcome.
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He's 38 years old. 38-year-old Tim Duncan is not one of the 20 best players in the history of the NBA.

Pop tries to take the long view with all of this. He is certainly not infallible, but I would trust him to know his players and what they are physically capable of at any given time.

You could debate whether the game was truly winnable at that point, but I don't think it's as simple as Duncan or no Duncan.
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Yup.

I also don't think 12 point 4th quarter leads are blown as often as people think- especially if they come on the heels of an even larger lead in the 3rd quarter, meaning the team has had to expend effort to get to 12 and generally has come back against a number of reserves late in the 3rd/early in the 4th based on normal substitution patterns.

I just scrolled through the playoff box scores and had to go back to May 11th to find a game where any team outscored the other team by 12+ in the last quarter (Clippers comeback vs Thunder), let alone a game where the team that pulled it off started the 4th quarter trailing by double digits on the road. I only found three times that it happened at all, in fact- and not one instance where the team that did it closed a double digit lead on the road and won the game. The Clippers comeback at home was the only 4th quarter comeback from that kind of margin that ended successfully.

You can question the move, but I don't think you can do it based on the logic that "12 points isn't all that much to overcome." It's a lot.

 
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Game 5 is obviously huge, I believe 80% of the teams that win it when the series is tied 2-2 go on to win the series. Unless Ibaka gets hurt again, I can't see the Spurs winning in OKC so it is pretty much a must win for them. I think this is going the distance though.

 
Hornets wordmarks released: https://twitter.com/conradburry/status/469110599025455105/photo/1

This means purple roadies. Not sure how to feel about that idea. Seems like purple is a fad sort of color and the Raps, Jazz, and Bucks finally figured out that purple is best just left to the Lakers and a couple various copycats.

Teal is kind of terrible, but teal is the Hornets. Purple alternative uni's would be nice, but not for the main roadies.

They are apparently trying to pull off "Hornets" on roadies instead of "Charlotte". I'd be surprised to hear the NBA even allowed that, but it's a terrible idea. I assume that'll be ditched after year 1 if it really happens.

But don't fret pinstripe lovers, they'll have those. http://news.sportslogos.net/2014/05/21/a-peek-at-the-new-charlotte-hornets-uniforms/

 
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Hornets wordmarks released: https://twitter.com/conradburry/status/469110599025455105/photo/1

This means purple roadies. Not sure how to feel about that idea. Seems like purple is a fad sort of color and the Raps, Jazz, and Bucks finally figured out that purple is best just left to the Lakers and a couple various copycats.

Teal is kind of terrible, but teal is the Hornets. Purple alternative uni's would be nice, but not for the main roadies.

They are apparently trying to pull off "Hornets" on roadies instead of "Charlotte". I'd be surprised to hear the NBA even allowed that, but it's a terrible idea. I assume that'll be ditched after year 1 if it really happens.

But don't fret pinstripe lovers, they'll have those. http://news.sportslogos.net/2014/05/21/a-peek-at-the-new-charlotte-hornets-uniforms/
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Is there gonna be a beehive pattern in the lane? How can they not?

 
TobiasFunke said:
pollardsvision said:
Hornets wordmarks released: https://twitter.com/conradburry/status/469110599025455105/photo/1

This means purple roadies. Not sure how to feel about that idea. Seems like purple is a fad sort of color and the Raps, Jazz, and Bucks finally figured out that purple is best just left to the Lakers and a couple various copycats.

Teal is kind of terrible, but teal is the Hornets. Purple alternative uni's would be nice, but not for the main roadies.

They are apparently trying to pull off "Hornets" on roadies instead of "Charlotte". I'd be surprised to hear the NBA even allowed that, but it's a terrible idea. I assume that'll be ditched after year 1 if it really happens.

But don't fret pinstripe lovers, they'll have those. http://news.sportslogos.net/2014/05/21/a-peek-at-the-new-charlotte-hornets-uniforms/
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Is there gonna be a beehive pattern in the lane? How can they not?
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Fans are clamoring for honeycombs, but no official word on anything that I know.

I think they are planning to unveil the court and jerseys officially about a week before the draft. (That way Stauskas will be able to plan his tie choice accordingly)

 
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HughHoney said:
Tim Duncan is easily a top 20 player all time correct?

Spurs were down 12 with 11 minutes left and he never came into the game. They were down 12 with 4 minutes left, so it never really got out of hand during that time.

What the hell was Pop doing? Am I missing something?
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NBA teams down 12 without the ball with 11 minutes left have a win probability of around 7%. That game was pretty much a done deal. Down 14 after three quarters is only about a 6% win probability, even starting the quarter with the ball like SAS did.

Pop is wagering that resting Duncan through the 4th quarter increases his team's chances of winning Game 5, a situation with much higher leverage. Vegas spreads/moneylines have SAS at about at 60% win probability. SAS is much better off resting Duncan and moving the needle in a 60/40 scenario than trying to even a 7/93 scenario at the possible cost of reducing a 60/40 Game 5 to about 55/45.

Popovich has a long history of shutting it down when trailing big on the road. Take your lumps, get your starters some rest, don't tip your hand about how you will approach the next game differently. He knows what he's doing.

 
Simmons saying the Clippers will go for at least 2.5 billion.

Who was that guy in here a few weeks ago saying they would get 600 million or something?

 
Abraham said:
They're only favored by 1?
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Incredible right? I could not resist laying one in a close out game. Lebron has been a beast in close out games.

Pacers will come out tough and The Heat just needs to with stand the initial run, wave whatever you want to call it. As long as they are down by 10 or less going into the 4th they have a great shot to close it out. I just don't see Indiana over coming the Big Three tonight. They are all on their game it's over. Hibbert? Stephenson? Naaaaaaa. West and George can't do it alone. And George has been ordinary. And Cole is the unsung hero. He has literally shut down Stephenson since the second half of game 2.

 
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Todem, just got Miami at PK right before the tip. I played Miami with my heart....but my wagering head tells me that something is fishy with that line.

Good luck partner!

 
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Heat showing they can play without Lebron for a half.

Second half…I hope for a Lebron explosion. Those last two fouls…sheesh!!!

 
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