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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Oh, Spurs.
Yuck
Not sure I agree that's "Cardinals-level sanctimony," because I don't think any fans in any sport can reach that level of sanctimony. Still kinda dooshy, though. Especially if you consider that in this case a large part of the "building" was the most successful one year tank job in sports history.
Yuck
Not sure I agree that's "Cardinals-level sanctimony," because I don't think any fans in any sport can reach that level of sanctimony. Still kinda dooshy, though. Especially if you consider that in this case a large part of the "building" was the most successful one year tank job in sports history.
How come your trades always have Houston getting a HOFer caliber player and the other teams getting Houston's bad players and bad contracts?
simmonjm
Footballguy
As a Knicks fan I have 0 interest in this trade. Martin's contract doesn't expire until 2016-2017 season. The Knicks have made it clear they are working on clearing salary cap going into the 2015-2016 season. Parson is nice but the Clippers 2015 pick is pretty much guaranteed to be in 20's. While Lin's salary structure works under the Knicks rebuilding plan he is not adequate for Melo.
Abraham
Footballguy
That's a fair criticism. Houston has two overpaid expiring a to offer and two young guys that could start on a contender to offer. So that's what I'm working with. At the same time, Melo rondo and love aren't on long contracts.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Are there though? If Asik would come via the trade exception, they may be able to do the Love deal then sign Melo then trade for Asik...no clue if that works with their salary cap though.It would be a very interesting starting 5.
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Mister CIA
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You clearly cannot distinguish the history of the San Antonio and Houston franchises from one another.
David Robinson was injured the year before they drafted Duncan, and Bob Hill was a bottomless pit of ineptness before Pop fired him. Tell me, where were the wins supposed to come from with this lineup? Sean Elliot missed half the season too. A healthy David Robinson really was worth about 35 wins back the day.
got_nugs
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Taking the Heat and getting more than even money seems like the easy play. Wade is healthy and Lebron is by far the best player in this series so seems like an easy bet barring injury. I hate the Heat but smart money is on them.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Asik is only getting traded for 50 cents on the dollar, it is not like Houston is trading from a position of strength with him.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Serious withdrawal. 
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NutterButter
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
True but Ibaka wasn't playing the first two games, if he was heathy from game 1 I think that series ends up with OKC winning. Do you disagree?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
got_nugs
Footballguy
Be careful. I had $100 last year on the Heat and DOUGHT MAN dooshed out on payment. I suggest having a 3rd party hold the $ beforehand unless you know who you're betting with. Just a PSA.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Yeah, I've been hosed by a couple of people here too. Great thread in the mock draft forum about it. Would prefer to go up against Tim since he's been on a huge losing streak.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Promise me $5. Come on, I need action. Give me action. You can't tease me like this man.
Abraham
Footballguy
CurlyNight
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Kev4029
Footballguy
He had a 4th year option for something like a million dollars, but if they accepted that option next season he would become an unrestricted free agent. So, they could have accepted that option, had a fantastic player for dirt cheap next year, but then risked losing him for nothing the next year.
Abraham
Footballguy
Yup. My guess is no one makes an offer of any consequence, they give him 4/40 and then look to shed Asik and Lin anyway.
Kev4029
Footballguy
So Houston could have Parsons next year for 1mill but have to face UFA the following year.
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Match an offer to Parsons this offseason? 4/40 seems best case scenario IMO.
Does a team receiving Parsons in a trade this offseason retain his Bird-rights? Parsons at 1mill is a great trade piece. Not so much at 10-11mill/year. Perhaps I'm wrong and having Parsons under contract for the next 4-5 years is more appealing to the receiving team in a potential trade. As opposed to facing his UFA after next season.
Can't wait for BS Report with Zack Lowe to flush this out.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Yeah, if Houston would have taken his team option, the Rockets or whoever traded for him would have his Bird Rights.
The more I think about this, the Rockets made a mistake. The flexibility with Parsons making $1m this year would have been very helpful, and at worst, they could have overpaid him next year on a three year deal equaling what he is going to get paid this year anyway.
Almost like a rival team could mess with Houston and offer Parsons 4/50. Houston GM would look negligent if he didn't match. Better to overpay then make one of the biggest blunders in recent memory. Funny how Parsons has been the one of the best bargains in the league the past two seasons and now he may become one of the most overpaid. Would think Houston has already offered nice extensions at this point that have been rebuffed. Bizarre.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
Well the argument could be made you want as many contracts on the books now for when the cap skyrockets in 2016-7 (and maybe even 2015-6) with the new tv rights deal.
My guess is a whole bunch of contracts (maybe not Parsons) will look cheap in a year or two. It's also one of the reasons getting 3 real max contract guys under contract now isn't a horrible idea (OKC hi)
Abraham
Footballguy
Interesting. At the risk of getting laughed at, parsons is probably the seventh best small forward in the league behind Lebron, durant, George, and Melo Leonard and batum. Even accounting for wiggins and Parker he's still in the top 25% oif his position.
(And don't try to tell me you'd rather have iggy , Ariza, deng, heyward..)
(And don't try to tell me you'd rather have iggy , Ariza, deng, heyward..)
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Premier
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I would rather have Iggy, Deng and Hayward for sure.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The overall revenue share for the players was the travishamockery to which I referred. I'm less concerned with the competitive balance stuff, although I don't think the teams in the playoffs and the teams in the lottery are a product of that.
Bob Johnson clearly did a VERY poor job running the franchise based on that article and what else I know about his time with the team. He's very clearly the exception to the rule IMO, and from the way the article makes it sound it wouldn't surprise me if he opted for immediate cash from the Bobcats to cover other losses rather than making the best deals for the team. Has any other owner sold for a loss in the last decade? I mean the 2006 quote from Johnson himself is pretty telling. So we've got one mismanaged loser and 29 clear winners. Hell, even the Maloofs made a pile of money after mismanaging the Kings.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
He probably isn't far off from there, but that is kind of like being the tallest midget. After the studs at SF, the pickings are slim. Lots of okay guys but none that should be anything more than your 4th best player.
Parsons at $10M is too much. Somewhere in the $6-7M range would be good.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That's hard to believe. I mean, they went 59 wins, 20 wins, 56 wins. Bob Hill coached that 59 win team, and he only coached 17 games of the tank season, so that's clearly not it. The post-Robinson dropoff was akin to what we saw with the post-LeBron Cavs, and (1) nobody is going to mistake Robinson for LeBron, and (2) the 2011 Cavs clearly were tanking.
It's not a bad thing by the way- it's a perfectly acceptable strategy. I don't mind it at all And obviously I know what an amazing job they did surrounding Duncan with talent and building a system and a winning environment. But clearing cap space and recruiting two superstars to join the one you drafted and then getting role players who fit perfectly with the needs is a fine strategy too.
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
If I have this right, there will be a cap hold for the non-tax payer mid-level exception for Parsons. Houston can't offer him more than that in 1st season. So whether he is signed before or after they dream of signing Melo is irrelevant.
Pretty sure he falls under the Gilbert Arenas provision.
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