*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[Premier]

Very surprised at the anti-Hinkie posts. It's like you guys are posting stuff just to be contrarians. The 2013 trade and picks turned out incredible - coming out of last years dog #### draft with Noel and MCW, and now getting Embiid, Saric, and a future 1st?

Anyone being critical is crazy.

Nobody is really being critical but we also don't know the value of any of these players going forward. Lots of dice rolls there, even more so than usual in the draft.

 

[MAC_32]

Very surprised at the anti-Hinkie posts. It's like you guys are posting stuff just to be contrarians. The 2013 trade and picks turned out incredible - coming out of last years dog #### draft with Noel and MCW, and now getting Embiid, Saric, and a future 1st?

Anyone being critical is crazy.

Every other team will have an idea of where their team is headed this time next year. Philly will have no clue. If it's a mess they created they won't realize it until it's too late to clean it up.

 

[pollardsvision]

Very surprised at the anti-Hinkie posts. It's like you guys are posting stuff just to be contrarians. The 2013 trade and picks turned out incredible - coming out of last years dog #### draft with Noel and MCW, and now getting Embiid, Saric, and a future 1st?

Anyone being critical is crazy.

This is the beauty of the plan. You can't criticize it.

And you certainly can't criticize this new wave philosophy known as "asset collection". Some neanderthals just don't understand the concept of "getting good, young players" that he learned under Sensei Morey.

 

[pollardsvision]

Oh, and if anybody's going to be in Greensboro on Saturday, don't miss PJ Hairson's Draft Party.

http://instagram.com/p/pu8ZPPCXWf/

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I really don't have an opinion on the Sixers strategy, and Lord knows, I have no clue how those picks will work out.Bu I do think it's funny though that Hinkie gets the automatic genius tag, and nobody's going to be able to judge him differently as long as nobody ever touches the court.He's pretty much the GM version of Exum, who's stock shot through roof from simply going away for a year.It's an interesting phenomenon, what's happened with NBA fans over the last few years.

Yep. If Embiid is a bust, they're going to be firmly entrenched in the lottery for the foreseeable future. I don't know much about the prospects but expecting two young bigs and a euro, who's never played a minute in the NA game, to get you anywhere near competitive in a year or two is ridiculous.

Especially when the Euro is staying in Europe for 2 years. I get "stockpiling assets", but there's stockpiling assets and then there's stockpiling assets. You won't know how good Noel, Embiid, and Saric are for a good 2-3 years and with another PG/PF/C heavy lottery straring you in the face next year you're going to start duplicating "assets" at some point. As much as we make fun of Houston, their stockpiling was done under a different salary cap (when Philly goes to cash in these assets the cap will be much higher) and revenue structure.

I get what they're doing and don't disagree with it. I'm more commenting towards the fans thinking that they've somehow got a contender in 2 or 3 years. They've got at least 2 or 3 more years of being horrific before they start even thinking about the playoffs.

I don't think they will be anything resembling "horrific" in 3 years.

R.I.P. Sixers

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Very surprised at the anti-Hinkie posts. It's like you guys are posting stuff just to be contrarians. The 2013 trade and picks turned out incredible - coming out of last years dog #### draft with Noel and MCW, and now getting Embiid, Saric, and a future 1st?

Anyone being critical is crazy.

I don't think that anyone is anti-Hinkie. I think that everyone pretty much understands and approves of the plan intellectually.

Some people are just trying to temper the over-the-top optimism from some folks (mostly Sixersfans) in pointing out that the Sixers are still at the bottom of the mountain and at some point actually need to win games, so perhaps cautious optimism is more sensible than feeling like we are already winners.

I get why Sixers fans are excited. I mean, this plan is really all we have right now, so doing it right now makes everyone happy. But realistically, we are in for another god-awful season watching Jim Anderson and Hollis Thomas getting PT, so I'm personally not feeling excited right now, even though I believe in the plan.

 

[Abraham]

ZBo - 2/20 in Memphis

 

[TobiasFunke]

Very surprised at the anti-Hinkie posts. It's like you guys are posting stuff just to be contrarians. The 2013 trade and picks turned out incredible - coming out of last years dog #### draft with Noel and MCW, and now getting Embiid, Saric, and a future 1st?

Anyone being critical is crazy.

I don't think that anyone is anti-Hinkie. I think that everyone pretty much understands and approves of the plan intellectually.

Some people are just trying to temper the over-the-top optimism from some folks (mostly Sixersfans) in pointing out that the Sixers are still at the bottom of the mountain and at some point actually need to win games, so perhaps cautious optimism is more sensible than feeling like we are already winners.

I get why Sixers fans are excited. I mean, this plan is really all we have right now, so doing it right now makes everyone happy. But realistically, we are in for another god-awful season watching Jim Anderson and Hollis Thomas getting PT, so I'm personally not feeling excited right now, even though I believe in the plan.

Might actually be better than Hollis Thompson

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

 

[Abraham]

Without prince the grizz will have about 8 mil to spend. Not enough for pau but maybe enough for Born Ready.

 

[pollardsvision]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Very surprised at the anti-Hinkie posts. It's like you guys are posting stuff just to be contrarians. The 2013 trade and picks turned out incredible - coming out of last years dog #### draft with Noel and MCW, and now getting Embiid, Saric, and a future 1st?

Anyone being critical is crazy.

I don't think that anyone is anti-Hinkie. I think that everyone pretty much understands and approves of the plan intellectually.

Some people are just trying to temper the over-the-top optimism from some folks (mostly Sixersfans) in pointing out that the Sixers are still at the bottom of the mountain and at some point actually need to win games, so perhaps cautious optimism is more sensible than feeling like we are already winners.

I get why Sixers fans are excited. I mean, this plan is really all we have right now, so doing it right now makes everyone happy. But realistically, we are in for another god-awful season watching Jim Anderson and Hollis Thomas getting PT, so I'm personally not feeling excited right now, even though I believe in the plan.

Might actually be better than Hollis Thompson

he was supposedly an excellent point guard on the Eagles' intramural team.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Hinkie in press conference says recovery time from foot surgery for Embiid will be 5-8 months.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

Other than 3pt% Waiters numbers aren't terribly different from Beal's. The only guy picked after him averaging more PPG is Lillard, who they obviously couldn't take with Kyrie there. Yes Drummond would be better, but it's not like any of the next 4 teams sprinted to the podium to take him either. Not really a "miss".

Bennett gets one more year before I judge. Getting the #1 pick in that draft was like a #12 in any other draft.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

Same GM pick these 2?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Hinkie in press conference says recovery time from foot surgery for Embiid will be 5-8 months.

Also says people on Sixers' staff were at Saric's first-ever game and have actually coached him (?)

Says it will be 2 years. No buyout after 1 year.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

Same GM pick these 2?

Yes Chris Grant who was fired mid season. He also pushed for Mike Brown last year.

 

[wadegarrett]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

Same GM pick these 2?

Yes Chris Grant who was fired mid season. He also pushed for Mike Brown last year.

You can throw Gilbert under that bus as well. He hired those idiots.

Gilbert may have buckets of money, but he's been a terrible owner.

 

[Slapdash]

I am under no illusions that the Hornets are going to be a title contender off of this draft, but the team really is starting to do things the right way. I didn't care for the Kemba pick but it seems to be turning out okay. I thought the Henderson signing was for a fair amount of money. Zeller may be a miss, but it isn't like they passed on Kevin Durant to take him and I suspect he'll be servicable at some point. MKG may never be more than a rotation guy but I thought that was the right pick at the time as well. And last night was really nice for them.

Now remember that they actually made the playoffs last year.

Maybe this crew won't grow past 7th or 8th seed anytime soon, but that's a vast improvement over the past.

The key is to find another playmaker on offense besides Al. They have a lot of nice, young pieces that defend well and contribute. With Al healthy they played with anyone last year. Without him, they likely don't make the playoffs even in a terrible East.

It was a perfect draft and will be interesting to see who they can lure in FA. Hairston has a lot of upside and Vonleh with Al down low is tantalizing.

 

[pollardsvision]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

Other than 3pt% Waiters numbers aren't terribly different from Beal's. The only guy picked after him averaging more PPG is Lillard, who they obviously couldn't take with Kyrie there. Yes Drummond would be better, but it's not like any of the next 4 teams sprinted to the podium to take him either. Not really a "miss".

Bennett gets one more year before I judge. Getting the #1 pick in that draft was like a #12 in any other draft.

I was kidding.

Although, Waiters' career win share total(2.5) is closer to Thomas Robinson's (1.6) than Beal's (7.0). Waiters and Robinson are the only players from the top 9 that year with a WS under 5.0.

 

[modogg]

I will be surprised if Hinkie can walk tomorrow after everyone sucking his #### tonight.

Another Hinkie miracle!

You're kind of right, but you have to see where the Sixers were an organization before he came on board. They were a dead franchise until 2020 as they were set up with so many crappy contracts and traded away draft picks. The guy has really has done some fantastic work to get them on the right path going forward. It is actually amazing looking back from 2005-2012 how many absolutely atrocious moves the Sixers had made that f'd them for the future.

Hell, i want Hinkie to quit the Sixers and run the city or at least the Philly school district

 

[modogg]

The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.

yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.

Unless of course Embid never gets fully healthy (50/50 chance I would say) and Saric either takes a step back over the next two years he is playing Europe or decides the Sixers are a train wreck and doesn't want to come over unless he is traded. At least a lottery pick next year is still likely. It's a big role of the dice for sure but I don't understand how you go into what the "experts" were saying was the deepest draft in years and not come out with one starter on a team that was 19-63 last year and could very well get little out of this draft the following year even if Emibid gets healthy.

I'm sure the Sixers would have taken Wiggind and Vonleh if the chips had fallen that way. Unfortunately they didn't, and i think they made some smart decisions with what they were presented with.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am under no illusions that the Hornets are going to be a title contender off of this draft, but the team really is starting to do things the right way. I didn't care for the Kemba pick but it seems to be turning out okay. I thought the Henderson signing was for a fair amount of money. Zeller may be a miss, but it isn't like they passed on Kevin Durant to take him and I suspect he'll be servicable at some point. MKG may never be more than a rotation guy but I thought that was the right pick at the time as well. And last night was really nice for them.

Now remember that they actually made the playoffs last year.

Maybe this crew won't grow past 7th or 8th seed anytime soon, but that's a vast improvement over the past.

The key is to find another playmaker on offense besides Al. They have a lot of nice, young pieces that defend well and contribute. With Al healthy they played with anyone last year. Without him, they likely don't make the playoffs even in a terrible East.

It was a perfect draft and will be interesting to see who they can lure in FA. Hairston has a lot of upside and Vonleh with Al down low is tantalizing.

Is there any news out there about why Vonleh fell? A month ago he was seemingly moving into the top 4-5.

I know it's not really that far, but still surprised me.

 

[pollardsvision]

I am under no illusions that the Hornets are going to be a title contender off of this draft, but the team really is starting to do things the right way. I didn't care for the Kemba pick but it seems to be turning out okay. I thought the Henderson signing was for a fair amount of money. Zeller may be a miss, but it isn't like they passed on Kevin Durant to take him and I suspect he'll be servicable at some point. MKG may never be more than a rotation guy but I thought that was the right pick at the time as well. And last night was really nice for them.

Now remember that they actually made the playoffs last year.

Maybe this crew won't grow past 7th or 8th seed anytime soon, but that's a vast improvement over the past.

The key is to find another playmaker on offense besides Al. They have a lot of nice, young pieces that defend well and contribute. With Al healthy they played with anyone last year. Without him, they likely don't make the playoffs even in a terrible East.It was a perfect draft and will be interesting to see who they can lure in FA. Hairston has a lot of upside and Vonleh with Al down low is tantalizing.

Is there any news out there about why Vonleh fell? A month ago he was seemingly moving into the top 4-5.

I know it's not really that far, but still surprised me.

Some tweets about Boston passing because of character concerns. Not Lance style charactet concerns, but I think more that they think he might be a big #####.

 

[modogg]

I really don't have an opinion on the Sixers strategy, and Lord knows, I have no clue how those picks will work out.

Bu I do think it's funny though that Hinkie gets the automatic genius tag, and nobody's going to be able to judge him differently as long as nobody ever touches the court.

He's pretty much the GM version of Exum, who's stock shot through roof from simply going away for a year.

It's an interesting phenomenon, what's happened with NBA fans over the last few years.

Yep. If Embiid is a bust, they're going to be firmly entrenched in the lottery for the foreseeable future. I don't know much about the prospects but expecting two young bigs and a euro, who's never played a minute in the NA game, to get you anywhere near competitive in a year or two is ridiculous.

Especially when the Euro is staying in Europe for 2 years. I get "stockpiling assets", but there's stockpiling assets and then there's stockpiling assets. You won't know how good Noel, Embiid, and Saric are for a good 2-3 years and with another PG/PF/C heavy lottery straring you in the face next year you're going to start duplicating "assets" at some point.

As much as we make fun of Houston, their stockpiling was done under a different salary cap (when Philly goes to cash in these assets the cap will be much higher) and revenue structure.

I get what they're doing and don't disagree with it. I'm more commenting towards the fans thinking that they've somehow got a contender in 2 or 3 years. They've got at least 2 or 3 more years of being horrific before they start even thinking about the playoffs.

difference is once we make those playoffs we will think we have a legit chance. I saw someone mentioned about the Sixers making the playoffs a few years ago when they beat Chicago w/o Rose. That was an absolute joke of a team that had zero chance of winning a championship. We all cheered with them, but knew that we were not a top 4-5 team in the East, let alone the whole NBA. If these moves work out and the Sixers make the playoffs in '18 or whatever we can probably have some hope they can be a force.

Plus like a lot have already mentioned, this team is great shape in salary cap wise for the foreseeable future

 

[MAC_32]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Cap space is a meaningless asset beyond a couple seasons. Every team in the league has cap space by the time we get to the window the Sixers are currently looking at. Even the Nets.

 

[MAC_32]

If you told a team's fans that they'd have 5 lottery picks in the next 4 years including 3 #1s, they'd probably think they were building a dynasty.

CLE fans would be delirious with excitement right now, if they'd just never seen Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters play.

Waiters has been about what I thought he'd be. More of a malcontent though. I didn't really have an opinion on Bennett, didn't watch much UNLV and when I did he didn't stand out. Last year helped show why. Too young to write him off, but between Waiters (over Barnes), Bennett (over Oladipo), and MIKE FRIGGIN BROWN...Chris Grant, his fancy numbers, and burning desire to win every trade had to go. Problem is Danny's still here and he may be the root of all of the problems. Prove that theory wrong, Mr. Griffin!

 

[SWC]

serious question right here brohans what do people think will ever become of the bucks giannois attattatempo he seems like he has promise but sometimes when you watch his games all you can do is laugh about a one handed running hook shot sort of thing from the top of the key it is sort of like paul from wonder years back in the day so give this brohan some hope for the future if you can tak ethat to the bank brocerotops

 

[the moops]

Sign and trades do not result in the extra year anymore.

Thanks for the info. I'm guessing that elminates the sign and trade option as whole than, right?

No, sign and trades are still a nice tool that allows teams over the cap to acquire a free agent. Example floating around right now is Lowry to MIA in a sign and trade. MIA cannot sign him as a FA, but can send back some stuff to TOR to make it happen.

 

[thecatch]

Missing out on Barnes and Oladipo are not franchise crippling mistakes.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I am under no illusions that the Hornets are going to be a title contender off of this draft, but the team really is starting to do things the right way. I didn't care for the Kemba pick but it seems to be turning out okay. I thought the Henderson signing was for a fair amount of money. Zeller may be a miss, but it isn't like they passed on Kevin Durant to take him and I suspect he'll be servicable at some point. MKG may never be more than a rotation guy but I thought that was the right pick at the time as well. And last night was really nice for them.

Now remember that they actually made the playoffs last year.

Maybe this crew won't grow past 7th or 8th seed anytime soon, but that's a vast improvement over the past.

The key is to find another playmaker on offense besides Al. They have a lot of nice, young pieces that defend well and contribute. With Al healthy they played with anyone last year. Without him, they likely don't make the playoffs even in a terrible East.

It was a perfect draft and will be interesting to see who they can lure in FA. Hairston has a lot of upside and Vonleh with Al down low is tantalizing.

Is there any news out there about why Vonleh fell? A month ago he was seemingly moving into the top 4-5.

I know it's not really that far, but still surprised me.

I don't make much of it. A lot of people had several players in his tier. Someone had to fall.

 

[MAC_32]

Missing out on Barnes and Oladipo are not franchise crippling mistakes.

Absolutely true, the Cavs may have just been the Heat's whipping post round one instead of left out of the weakest conference playoffs in memory. It'd be better than the current setup though.

 

[Abraham]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

 

[thecatch]

Missing out on Barnes and Oladipo are not franchise crippling mistakes.

Absolutely true, the Cavs may have just been the Heat's whipping post round one instead of left out of the weakest conference playoffs in memory. It'd be better than the current setup though.

Not even. Barnes isn't very good and Oladipo projects as a solid starter but not much else. You guys should be kicking yourself over missing on Drummond (like everyone else with a top 10 pick that year).

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Without prince the grizz will have about 8 mil to spend. Not enough for pau but maybe enough for Born Ready.

That deal with Toronto never went through. The plan for Toronto was to take Ennis at 20 and then make the deal with Memphis so they could take Caboclo at 22.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

People want to go to Philly? I mean, obviously it is ahead of Cleveland, but uh, is it ahead of anyone else?

 

[thecatch]

Without prince the grizz will have about 8 mil to spend. Not enough for pau but maybe enough for Born Ready.

That deal with Toronto never went through. The plan for Toronto was to take Ennis at 20 and then make the deal with Memphis so they could take Caboclo at 22.

They can stretch Prince and still save $5 million on this year's cap.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

No, sign and trades are still a nice tool that allows teams over the cap to acquire a free agent. Example floating around right now is Lowry to MIA in a sign and trade. MIA cannot sign him as a FA, but can send back some stuff to TOR to make it happen.

What stuff? Unless Bosh re-signs to a cheaper deal or Allen decides he wants to get traded to Toronto. Can't see either of them being interested in that.

 

[MAC_32]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

A part of me kinda likes that this perception still exists. I love this place. The riff raff can stay away.

 

[MAC_32]

Missing out on Barnes and Oladipo are not franchise crippling mistakes.

Absolutely true, the Cavs may have just been the Heat's whipping post round one instead of left out of the weakest conference playoffs in memory. It'd be better than the current setup though.

Not even. Barnes isn't very good and Oladipo projects as a solid starter but not much else. You guys should be kicking yourself over missing on Drummond (like everyone else with a top 10 pick that year).

He had character questions iirc, tough to kill anyone for not wanting to roll the dice on that.

 

[Abraham]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

People want to go to Philly? I mean, obviously it is ahead of Cleveland, but uh, is it ahead of anyone else?

You know, let's make a list of the least desirable NBA free agent destinations based on:

- recent history

- how the franchise is run

- arbitrary Judgements about ownership

- surrounding cast.

30. Cleveland

29. Bucks (although the hot daughter matters)

28. Detroit

27. Philly

Those have to be the bottom 4. Not even sure who would be next...

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

People want to go to Philly? I mean, obviously it is ahead of Cleveland, but uh, is it ahead of anyone else?

You know, let's make a list of the least desirable NBA free agent destinations based on:

- recent history

- how the franchise is run

- arbitrary Judgements about ownership

- surrounding cast.

30. Cleveland

29. Bucks (although the hot daughter matters)

28. Detroit

27. Philly

Those have to be the bottom 4. Not even sure who would be next...

26. Wolves

25. Utah

24. Sacramento

23. Atlanta

22. Charlotte

21. Toronto

20. Memphis

19. Denver

 

[Cliff Clavin]

difference is once we make those playoffs we will think we have a legit chance. I saw someone mentioned about the Sixers making the playoffs a few years ago when they beat Chicago w/o Rose. That was an absolute joke of a team that had zero chance of winning a championship. We all cheered with them, but knew that we were not a top 4-5 team in the East, let alone the whole NBA. If these moves work out and the Sixers make the playoffs in '18 or whatever we can probably have some hope they can be a force.

Plus like a lot have already mentioned, this team is great shape in salary cap wise for the foreseeable future

If the big man with the multitude of injury/health problems can stay healthy and turns out to be a stud and if the euro guy turns out to be an all-star and if another rookie who's never played a game in the NBA is also an all-star, I agree. What do you figure the odds of those things all happening are?

 

[Kev4029]

With just the draft picks, no. I THINK what a majority of fans are factoring in on being a contender in 2-3 years would include adding a big named FA or two in either 15 or 16 to go along with Noel, Embid, MCW etc. The 15 FA class is pretty deep from what I understand and Durant is a 16 FA.

Landing a big name FA is going to be dependant on all these players achieving their projected ceilings; which a couple likely will not. If they're still a bottom-feeder in two years, why would a star FA go there?

I dont know that it means they hit their ceilings....IF they hit their ceiling we wont be bottom feeders.

I'm sure money may also factor in as well. Wont we be able to handle a max contract in a sign and trade?

That they don't end up being busts or just average, run of the mill players. A couple young, average players probably aren't going to attract stud free agents.

Philly won't have to sign and trade. They'll be able to sign anyone to a max for the next few years.

I was thinking a sign and trade. Dont they usually get more money than your normal FA signing?

Yes. If a team has Bird rights they can sign for an extra year.

They got rid of that in sign and trades. There isn't and advantage for the player any more. Some how they thought that would help small markets keep their players, but instead it'll just keep them from getting any assets when a Lebron or Bosh leaves.

 

[thecatch]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

People want to go to Philly? I mean, obviously it is ahead of Cleveland, but uh, is it ahead of anyone else?

You know, let's make a list of the least desirable NBA free agent destinations based on:

- recent history

- how the franchise is run

- arbitrary Judgements about ownership

- surrounding cast.

30. Cleveland

29. Bucks (although the hot daughter matters)

28. Detroit

27. Philly

Those have to be the bottom 4. Not even sure who would be next...

26. Wolves

25. Utah

24. Sacramento

23. Atlanta

22. Charlotte

21. Toronto

20. Memphis

19. Denver

Ranking them like this is a little silly because there's no meaningful difference between 20-30.

Teams that are independently attractive to FA for various reasons (like weather, taxes, or sheer market size) (in no particular order):

LA

NY

Brooklyn

MIA

HOU

DAL

SA

ORL

CHI

Teams in mid-size markets who FAs will sign with if the team is decent:

POR

GS

DEN

ATL

etc.

Teams that FAs will only go to if the team is already very good or they get grossly overpaid:

CLE

SAC

MEM

CHA

UTA

CHA

etc.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Young assets...cap space...yep, exactly what my Cavs buddies have spun for the last 3 years.

Yeah , but cap space in philly >>>> cap space in Cleveland. I mean really. Who wants to go to Cleveland on purpose?

People want to go to Philly? I mean, obviously it is ahead of Cleveland, but uh, is it ahead of anyone else?

You know, let's make a list of the least desirable NBA free agent destinations based on:

- recent history

- how the franchise is run

- arbitrary Judgements about ownership

- surrounding cast.

30. Cleveland

29. Bucks (although the hot daughter matters)

28. Detroit

27. Philly

Those have to be the bottom 4. Not even sure who would be next...

26. Wolves

25. Utah

24. Sacramento

23. Atlanta

22. Charlotte

21. Toronto

20. Memphis

19. Denver

How can we not be more desirable or equally as undesirable as everyone on that list?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Without prince the grizz will have about 8 mil to spend. Not enough for pau but maybe enough for Born Ready.

He feels like a guy who gets overpaid, I think he ends up with a deal over $8 per.

 

[Kev4029]

Sign and trades do not result in the extra year anymore.

Thanks for the info. I'm guessing that elminates the sign and trade option as whole than, right?

No, sign and trades are still a nice tool that allows teams over the cap to acquire a free agent. Example floating around right now is Lowry to MIA in a sign and trade. MIA cannot sign him as a FA, but can send back some stuff to TOR to make it happen.

Like what? All they have is Cole, Bosh and Wade under contract right now I thought.

 

[Mile High]

LA

NY

Brooklyn

MIA

HOU

DAL

SA

ORL

CHI

The NBA should just cut down to these teams and save the rest of us from wasting time carrying/thinking there is a chance.