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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

And this 'blind homer' (hilarious from you btw) is still 75/25 Miami.
I thought you would like that.

You know. From a branding standpoint. And I am talking purely branding and business. Going back to Cleveland is a coup for his brand, image etc.

No question. It would be a made for hollywood movie. That's assuming he actually is able to lead them to a title with that cast around him.

Anyway. I still feel it would be pretty shocking and unprecedented he walks away after going to 4 straight Finals.

It really would be mind boggling to us down here. But if he does leave…..like I have said from the start…thanks for the 4 years.

But now we will root against you again. LOL.

 
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[Larry Coon: So to get Bosh at max AND keep Parsons, Daryl Morey just needs to dump Asik, Lin, Jones AND Motiejunas with no salary coming he other way, Twitter @LarryCoon
Asik and Lin are both already out with no money coming back, right?

Jones and Donuts won't be hard to unload. Jones is a great cheap piece.

So, asset collection.....I guess that's a fancy phrase for "pissing in the wind while you wait to sign every expensive FA possible"

 
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TOR re-signs Vasquez.

Either TOR or WAS is playing CLE in the ECF next season. And probably winning it. I just can't decide which.
Don't forget about ATL.
Provided they don't completely strike out in free agency, they will definitely be up there.
I bet Deng ends up there. I'm not sure how far removed from striking out that is, but it's certainly enough to get them in the mix.

LeBron and Melo are really passing up a golden opportunity.

 
I love the "James/Melo will talk with family." Seriously? :lmao: So many articles about how they are agonizing over these decisions as if it's going to come down to Melo, Lala, their son, and a slice of Lindy's cheesecake late one night as they make this decision. These guys have been preparing for this, well, pretty much since they signed their deals 4 years ago. They've been weighing options and sketching out what the next four years of their lives will look like from all angles; on the court, marketing, brand, family, travel, taxes, etc. The meetings and woo'ing is certainly important, but Carmelo Anthony isn't going to Houston because he enjoying the quesadillas at lunch last week.

 
TOR re-signs Vasquez.

Either TOR or WAS is playing CLE in the ECF next season. And probably winning it. I just can't decide which.
Don't forget about ATL.
Provided they don't completely strike out in free agency, they will definitely be up there.
I bet Deng ends up there. I'm not sure how far removed from striking out that is, but it's certainly enough to get them in the mix.

LeBron and Melo are really passing up a golden opportunity.
Weird, right? I'm no fan of Atlanta as a city, but it's pretty clear that a lot of young African-Americans disagree with me on that. Even Melo on that roster makes them the overwhelming favorite in the East. With LeBron there wouldn't even be a reason for the other teams in the conference to suit up. I get why LeBron might want to protect his legacy and not jump to a third team, but Melo's a different story.

Everyone's got different priorities obviously, but I don't know why they wouldn't at least consider it.

 
TOR re-signs Vasquez.

Either TOR or WAS is playing CLE in the ECF next season. And probably winning it. I just can't decide which.
Don't forget about ATL.
Provided they don't completely strike out in free agency, they will definitely be up there.
I bet Deng ends up there. I'm not sure how far removed from striking out that is, but it's certainly enough to get them in the mix.

LeBron and Melo are really passing up a golden opportunity.
Weird, right? I'm no fan of Atlanta as a city, but it's pretty clear that a lot of young African-Americans disagree with me on that. Even Melo on that roster makes them the overwhelming favorite in the East. With LeBron there wouldn't even be a reason for the other teams in the conference to suit up. I get why LeBron might want to protect his legacy and not jump to a third team, but Melo's a different story.

Everyone's got different priorities obviously, but I don't know why they wouldn't at least consider it.
Another place Melo could go to if he cared about winning :)

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
Exactly. There would be very little reason to dislike Lebron outside of, "Well, I just don't like him!" He's a generational talent, smiles a lot, doesn't have an off-court reputation of being an ####### or any bad behavior. The only PR stain he has on his resume is The Decision. Going back to Cleveland goes a reeeaalaaallllyyy long way in fixing that for most people.

 
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I love the "James/Melo will talk with family." Seriously? :lmao: So many articles about how they are agonizing over these decisions as if it's going to come down to Melo, Lala, their son, and a slice of Lindy's cheesecake late one night as they make this decision. These guys have been preparing for this, well, pretty much since they signed their deals 4 years ago. They've been weighing options and sketching out what the next four years of their lives will look like from all angles; on the court, marketing, brand, family, travel, taxes, etc. The meetings and woo'ing is certainly important, but Carmelo Anthony isn't going to Houston because he enjoying the quesadillas at lunch last week.
Agents and a team of lawyers to figure out the details for them. I agree that it's pretty much a show, but I am entertained.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
Exactly. There would be very little reason to dislike Lebron outside of, "Well, I just don't like him!" He's a generational talent, smiles a lot, doesn't have an off-court reputation of being an ####### or any bad behavior. The only PR stain he has on his resume is The Decision. Going back to Cleveland goes a reeeaalaaallllyyy long way in fixing that for most people.
I wish he wouldn't whine so much about bogus no calls, but now I'm really just nitpicking.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Seems pretty awesome to almost everybody but you and Heat fans.
It works out well for Heat fans. They got 2 rings and 4 finals appearances and now can go back to ignoring the team like they are used to doing.
There are guys like Todem though that clearly are true Heat fans.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Seems pretty awesome to almost everybody but you and Heat fans.
It works out well for Heat fans. They got 2 rings and 4 finals appearances and now can go back to ignoring the team like they are used to doing.
There are guys like Todem though that clearly are true Heat fans.
he's the one!

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
I gave a couple of reasons yesterday. First because I doubt he will win a ring right away there (whereas he has a very good chance with Miami this year), and second because I'm skeptical that even his presence in Cleveland will attract other big name free agents in the future: even with LeBron, it's still Cleveland.
 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Seems pretty awesome to almost everybody but you and Heat fans.
For me personally, it would be awesome. Not as good as him going to the Lakers (my secret dream) but awesome all the same- you're wrong about that. I was just trying to look at it from his perspective.
 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
Exactly. There would be very little reason to dislike Lebron outside of, "Well, I just don't like him!" He's a generational talent, smiles a lot, doesn't have an off-court reputation of being an ####### or any bad behavior. The only PR stain he has on his resume is The Decision. Going back to Cleveland goes a reeeaalaaallllyyy long way in fixing that for most people.
:goodposting:

I absolutely blasted him for The Decision when it happened and multiple times since. But, I'd probably root for him to win a title if he goes back to CLE.

 
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Raptors sign James Johnson to a 2 year deal.

ETA: 2/$5M
ugh...
He was damn good in Memphis last year... but he seems to be a pretty terrible person. Hopefully it isn't fully guaranteed.
Decently talented but has a 10 cent brain, imo.
Maybe he matured a bit? Other than the whole domestic assault stuff he didn't get in any trouble :mellow:
lol.

Well, at least he's not worse and much cheaper than Landry Fields.

 
It is an odd phenomenon to see when a player gets sent to a team along with a first round pick and they get nothing in return that this is considered mutually beneficial.

Obviously it is in the NBA but its just weird on the surface.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Seems pretty awesome to almost everybody but you and Heat fans.
It works out well for Heat fans. They got 2 rings and 4 finals appearances and now can go back to ignoring the team like they are used to doing.
There are guys like Todem though that clearly are true Heat fans.
I'm excited for him. He's going to be able to get great seats for next to nothing soon.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
I gave a couple of reasons yesterday. First because I doubt he will win a ring right away there (whereas he has a very good chance with Miami this year), and second because I'm skeptical that even his presence in Cleveland will attract other big name free agents in the future: even with LeBron, it's still Cleveland.
Free agents will go wherever LeBron is even if its Cleveland.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
I gave a couple of reasons yesterday. First because I doubt he will win a ring right away there (whereas he has a very good chance with Miami this year), and second because I'm skeptical that even his presence in Cleveland will attract other big name free agents in the future: even with LeBron, it's still Cleveland.
I can buy that, but it's not a one-year calculation. Sure he can sign a one year deal with Miami if he wants, but that would be kind of a #### move to Bosh, who would be stuck between a rock and a hard place now that he has a max deal on the table from a contender who's a perfect fit. If you look at the next 4-5 years combined it's pretty clear Cleveland with LeBron on a max deal has a much better shot at a title than Miami with LeBron on a max deal.

I think you overestimate the importance of being a glamor destination in the free agent game (see. eg. the Lakers' many misses over the last decade). But it doesn't really matter. They don't need any big name free agents because they'd have the pieces they need in place already. Irving, LeBron and Wiggins is plenty. Assuming Wiggins comes anywhere close to projections, they'd need to add another shooter to spread the floor and another solid big man to the rotation and that's about it.

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Raptors sign James Johnson to a 2 year deal.

ETA: 2/$5M
ugh...
He was damn good in Memphis last year... but he seems to be a pretty terrible person. Hopefully it isn't fully guaranteed.
Decently talented but has a 10 cent brain, imo.
Maybe he matured a bit? Other than the whole domestic assault stuff he didn't get in any trouble :mellow:
lol.

Well, at least he's not worse and much cheaper than Landry Fields.
His 18.5 PER last year would have ranked 6th amongst SFs (not sure why he is listed as a PF).

And really, no one can be worse than Landry Fields.

 
Lots of people going out on a limb here. Looking more and more likely that he's going to Cleveland. Seems like a big mistake to me, but I don't know the man.
Curious why you think it's a mistake. Seems like it's clearly a better destination basketball-wise for the next 4-5 years, and it's probably the only place he could go that would help him from a PR and legacy standpoint.
I gave a couple of reasons yesterday. First because I doubt he will win a ring right away there (whereas he has a very good chance with Miami this year), and second because I'm skeptical that even his presence in Cleveland will attract other big name free agents in the future: even with LeBron, it's still Cleveland.
I think the Wade factor looms large, here.

It's hard to imagine a scenario where the Heat/Spoelstra could manage him with even daintier kid gloves than they did this year, without rendering him completely useless. But even that wasn't enough to keep him from looking worn out and zombie-like by the end of the playoffs.

He doesn't seem to be injured so much as chronically disabled at this point. It's clearly manageable for him (his numbers looked good for the year, after all), but it's looking increasingly like his body is going to make it impossible to manage him in such a way that you can consider him a title run asset. :shrug:

I'll take a healthy Kyrie over a dilapidated Wade if I'm hoping for a legit title chance, even though Kyrie hasn't proven it in the postseason yet. He may be the 20th-25th best alpha in the league, but he instantly jumps a lot higher than that up the scale of second bananas leaguewide.

I like the shape and potential of that Cavs squad if it happens, whether they keep Wiggins and let Bron mentor him or change him into a max-level asset. And I don't think there's anything any team in the east can do to make them a smarter bet to get to the finals than that team. Melo to CHI probably makes them the betting favorite, but I take LeBron and any four over Rose and Melo in an everything-at-stake situation, until they show me otherwise, and that's without taking into account the very real chance that Rose is just done as an impact player.

If Bron goes to Cleveland and they make no other moves, they're not on cruise control like he was with two other in-their-prime HOF'ers, knowing that they can just rest on their laurels until the postseason. That's a motivated Lebron looking for hometown redemption, being a leader to a young squad (as a guy who clearly has the respect of his fellow players), and fighting to prove something.

If it happens, even with Wiggins instead of Love, I'm confident the Cavs win 60+ and cruise to the finals next year. (ETA: though I'm not at all confident yet that such a team would be a favorite over whoever came out of the West.)

 
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I really think people are underestimating the Wiggins factor here. A year ago everyone was drooling over him. If you'd said last year he'd be going to the Cavs with Irving people would have said that was already a solid foundation for a contender in 3-4 seasons. I don't think his one year at Kansas should change that much, it wasn't a Harrison Barnes situation where it quickly becomes clear he has a lower ceiling than people thought. He looked pretty amazing at times.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Raptors sign James Johnson to a 2 year deal.

ETA: 2/$5M
ugh...
He was damn good in Memphis last year... but he seems to be a pretty terrible person. Hopefully it isn't fully guaranteed.
The Grizz wanted to resign him and then the personal thing happened and they backed away.

If Toronto can keep him from doing stupid stuff irl, he is an asset especially at that price.

 
Cleveland radio is so priceless right now. Grandmas calling in to beg the people of Cleveland to forgive and forget. Cab drivers calling in to spew third-hand rumors citing word-of-mouth from Savannah James while hosts hang on every word. :lmao:

Eagerly awaiting follow-up Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Videos on youtube no matter how this saga ends.

 
I really think people are underestimating the Wiggins factor here. A year ago everyone was drooling over him. If you'd said last year he'd be going to the Cavs with Irving people would have said that was already a solid foundation for a contender in 3-4 seasons. I don't think his one year at Kansas should change that much, it wasn't a Harrison Barnes situation where it quickly becomes clear he has a lower ceiling than people thought. He looked pretty amazing at times.
Starting out as second or third banana status for Wiggins would be absolutely ideal, IMO. Let his elite athleticism carry him on the defensive end and just hit open jumpers on offense while he molds that part of his game.

 
I think you overestimate the importance of being a glamor destination in the free agent game (see. eg. the Lakers' many misses over the last decade).
What "many misses" are you alluding to?

The fact that the Lakers are a toss up to land Melo and were one of only 4-5 teams to get a meeting with LeBron's agent is evidence of the opposite.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Raptors sign James Johnson to a 2 year deal.

ETA: 2/$5M
ugh...
He was damn good in Memphis last year... but he seems to be a pretty terrible person. Hopefully it isn't fully guaranteed.
Decently talented but has a 10 cent brain, imo.
Maybe he matured a bit? Other than the whole domestic assault stuff he didn't get in any trouble :mellow:
lol.

Well, at least he's not worse and much cheaper than Landry Fields.
His 18.5 PER last year would have ranked 6th amongst SFs (not sure why he is listed as a PF).

And really, no one can be worse than Landry Fields.
Grizz played him almost exclusively at SF except when they went small, which was not very often.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Raptors sign James Johnson to a 2 year deal.

ETA: 2/$5M
ugh...
He was damn good in Memphis last year... but he seems to be a pretty terrible person. Hopefully it isn't fully guaranteed.
The Grizz wanted to resign him and then the personal thing happened and they backed away.

If Toronto can keep him from doing stupid stuff irl, he is an asset especially at that price.
Rumour has it that is the same reason why they traded him to Sacremento in the first place. Wanted a bigger role, butted heads with Casey, etc. Toronto is in a much better spot than they were a couple years ago.

 

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