*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[Abraham]

Bulls amnesty Boozer.

I'm assuming the process doesn't work fast enough for the rockets to bid 10m tonight, match parsons, and still have the 10 for room to sign boozer...

 

[Abraham]

Pierce to wizards.

 

[Sebowski]

"I'm Coming Home (For a little bit, let's see how it goes.)"

 

[Sebowski]

Pierce to wizards.

Whaaaa????

Interesting? Nah. I guess not. Right?

 

[Spartans Rule]

How did Gary Harris make it to #19 - this Nugget fan loving what he is seeing

Lack of upside I guess. I was surprised by that too.

He's incredibly polished for his age. Doesn't turn 20 for another 2 months.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Nice signing by the Wiz with MLE for Pierce.

 

[pollardsvision]

SI reporting Lance interest is pretty much down to CHA, DAL, and possibly HOU.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/12/lance-stephenson-pursued-hornets-free-agent-nba-pacers

Lance would have an interesting decision between CHA and DAL. I assume CHA loses that battle, but we'll see....

 

[tommyGunZ]

Love that sign by the Wiz.

 

[sporthenry]

How did Gary Harris make it to #19 - this Nugget fan loving what he is seeing

His size really hurt him. Average SG height is around 6'5. Harris tops out at 6'3. He isn't really a combo so he can't split time at PG. I guess his best fit would be with an oversized PG. His defense is very good but now he'll have to make up more for the lack of height.Offensively, he struggled this year to create for himself. He'll be a shooter but remains to be seen if he can be more than that. Projects as a borderline starter/role player. Slipped a bit and good value but I don't think Phoenix or Boston will regret Warren or James Young. Could see Lavine being a bust but he was more of a homerun type pick. Just a very solid draft in the teens.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Seeing this anywhere?

@mnj_fantasy: @ProjectRoto Package of picks to GS, Thompson Twins (Klay and Tristan) to Minny, Love to Cleveland. Horrible for everyone but @cavs.

 

[pollardsvision]

Seeing this anywhere?

@mnj_fantasy: @ProjectRoto Package of picks to GS, Thompson Twins (Klay and Tristan) to Minny, Love to Cleveland. Horrible for everyone but @cavs.

I think pretty much any move that ends up with Love and Wiggins both in Cleveland will be that way.

 

[GOB]

Seeing this anywhere?

@mnj_fantasy: @ProjectRoto Package of picks to GS, Thompson Twins (Klay and Tristan) to Minny, Love to Cleveland. Horrible for everyone but @cavs.

So GS didn't want to give up Klay in a package for Love but for picks they are ready to hit the accept button? Yeah ok.

 

[Daywalker]

Thinking Bulls made right choice not going after Carmelo hard.

Rose, Butler, Mcdermott, Mirotic, Gasol, Noah, and Gibson. Overall that's a young formidable seven and no one really has big money coming to them anytime soon. Lot of flexibility.

 

[Daywalker]

Seeing this anywhere?

@mnj_fantasy: @ProjectRoto Package of picks to GS, Thompson Twins (Klay and Tristan) to Minny, Love to Cleveland. Horrible for everyone but @cavs.

So GS didn't want to give up Klay in a package for Love but for picks they are ready to hit the accept button? Yeah ok.

Especially when, perhaps posturing, GS didn't want to give up Klay for Love.

 

[Gr00vus]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m

The Rockets finalizing Jeremy Lin, a future first-round pick and other draft considerations to the Lakers, league source tells Yahoo.

Lakers get a first?

yes for taking on Lin's salary.

Gr00vus is happy.

 

[Kev4029]

How did Gary Harris make it to #19 - this Nugget fan loving what he is seeing

His size really hurt him. Average SG height is around 6'5. Harris tops out at 6'3. He isn't really a combo so he can't split time at PG. I guess his best fit would be with an oversized PG. His defense is very good but now he'll have to make up more for the lack of height.Offensively, he struggled this year to create for himself. He'll be a shooter but remains to be seen if he can be more than that. Projects as a borderline starter/role player. Slipped a bit and good value but I don't think Phoenix or Boston will regret Warren or James Young. Could see Lavine being a bust but he was more of a homerun type pick. Just a very solid draft in the teens.

He projects as Tony allen or avery bradley with a jumper. Like you said he's a solid pick in the teens. High floor, low ceiling.

 

[Sebowski]

Love that sign by the Wiz.

Then sounds good to me. Beers on Tuesday?

 

[Mario Kart]

Bucks are having an awesome off season. Top quality free agents. Competent owners are showing they are here to do some good things. The Bucks are going to compete, at least, for fourth in their division... at least.

 

[Balco]

The Pierce deal was a great signing by the Wizards. Still a valuable player.

 

[Todem]

Heat working hard to sign Deng.

 

[Abraham]

Love the pierce signing.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Heat working hard to sign Deng.

He'll be viewed as LeBron's inferior replacement. I'm not sure why he'd want to put himself in that situation. As a fan of his, I wish he'd pick somewhere else.

 

[Balco]

Heat working hard to sign Deng.

He'll be viewed as LeBron's inferior replacement. I'm not sure why he'd want to put himself in that situation. As a fan of his, I wish he'd pick somewhere else.

Deng seems like an old 30 to me. I seem to remember him getting dinged up quite a bit in recent seasons. Don't think it would be a good signing for the Heat.

 

[Abraham]

Miami should still be pretty good, maybe even top 3 or 4 in the East. I don't think wade can carry them but bosh role has changed and the Mcbob addition will help a bit.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Miami should still be pretty good, maybe even top 3 or 4 in the East. I don't think wade can carry them but bosh role has changed and the Mcbob addition will help a bit.

Agree. People forget that Bosh is a top player because he sacrificed for the team. They still need a center and will need more from pg though.

 

[Balco]

Miami should still be pretty good, maybe even top 3 or 4 in the East. I don't think wade can carry them but bosh role has changed and the Mcbob addition will help a bit.

They really, really need a competent point guard. Who is out there? Augustin? Hinrich?

And I agree, definitely still a playoff team. Bosh will go back to 20-10, McRoberts was a nice signing, and they are going to sign a good SF. But they really need to replenish depth.

 

[thecatch]

Miami should still be pretty good, maybe even top 3 or 4 in the East. I don't think wade can carry them but bosh role has changed and the Mcbob addition will help a bit.

I think they can still make the playoffs but I'll take the under on them as a top 4 seed all day long.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Bosh will get a chance to up his HOF credentials.

Honestly though, the fact that he's almost a lock now says a lot about the basketball HOF.

 

[Abraham]

Bosh will get a chance to up his HOF credentials.

Honestly though, the fact that he's almost a lock now says a lot about the basketball HOF.

This argument is tired. His resume is extremely strong even without the 2 rings.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Bosh will get a chance to up his HOF credentials.

Honestly though, the fact that he's almost a lock now says a lot about the basketball HOF.

This argument is tired. His resume is extremely strong even without the 2 rings.

I guess that's the thing. You can talk about the resume, but have you ever watched him play and said to yourself "That guy is one of the all-time greats!"?

 

[matuski]

Bosh will get a chance to up his HOF credentials.

Honestly though, the fact that he's almost a lock now says a lot about the basketball HOF.

This argument is tired. His resume is extremely strong even without the 2 rings.

I guess that's the thing. You can talk about the resume, but have you ever watched him play and said to yourself "That guy is one of the all-time greats!"?

Every HOF has gone this route of letting in the really good players instead of only the greats. I agree it dilutes the honor over time.

 

[Popinski]

Bosh will get a chance to up his HOF credentials.

Honestly though, the fact that he's almost a lock now says a lot about the basketball HOF.

This argument is tired. His resume is extremely strong even without the 2 rings.

I guess that's the thing. You can talk about the resume, but have you ever watched him play and said to yourself "That guy is one of the all-time greats!"?

No, but that hasn't been the bar set to make the HOF.

 

[Abraham]

Exactly. There are rarely more than a handful of "all time greats" at any point. If so, the only current guys to make it would be James, Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, and Nash. There are many many other players worthy of a place in history like wade, pierce, Garnett, bosh, gasol, etc.

 

[Balco]

Exactly. There are rarely more than a handful of "all time greats" at any point. If so, the only current guys to make it would be James, Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, and Nash. There are many many other players worthy of a place in history like wade, pierce, Garnett, bosh, gasol, etc.

I don't want to sidetrack free agent discussion, but Kevin Garnett is without a doubt an all time great.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Exactly. There are rarely more than a handful of "all time greats" at any point. If so, the only current guys to make it would be James, Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, and Nash. There are many many other players worthy of a place in history like wade, pierce, Garnett, bosh, gasol, etc.

Not to quibble, but Garnett is way more of an all-time great than Nash is.

 

[pollardsvision]

I've always wondered why there's some assumed value in having a really selective HOF. I'm not sure why a fan would care. It seems some even find it disturbing in a wussification of America sort of way.

The basketball HOF is what it is. The baseball HOF is what it is. One being more selective really doesn't ultimately matter.

You love basketball and the history of basketball, you go to the HOF and appreciate it. Removing 20% of the very good players from it doesn't somehow make the experience better.

The baseball HOF is more popular, but it has nothing to do with the higher selectivity. It's that it's over century old and has been a much more important sport to most throughout history.

 

[Abraham]

I can buy that on Garnett. Was just making a point.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Miami should still be pretty good, maybe even top 3 or 4 in the East. I don't think wade can carry them but bosh role has changed and the Mcbob addition will help a bit.

Agree. People forget that Bosh is a top player because he sacrificed for the team. They still need a center and will need more from pg though.

Like how Bosh led Toronto to all those high playoff seeds?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Love the Pierce deal.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Exactly. There are rarely more than a handful of "all time greats" at any point. If so, the only current guys to make it would be James, Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, and Nash. There are many many other players worthy of a place in history like wade, pierce, Garnett, bosh, gasol, etc.

I don't want to sidetrack free agent discussion, but Kevin Garnett is without a doubt an all time great.

Agree, and I waiver on Nash because he started so late to dominate (26), but he's got more career games under his belt than Dirk, though not starts. He does have a career 8+ Apg and 14 PPG. No title, but 2 MVPs.

 

[Abraham]

I have convinced myself the rockets will match but are simply waiting for deng to be off the market to screw Dallas.

 

[pollardsvision]

I have convinced myself the rockets will match but are simply waiting for deng to be off the market to screw Dallas.

I'm on pins and needles over this Parsons thing.

It never occurred to me that they might not match, but there has been just enough speculation to get my hopes up a little.

Because if they don't, it probably pushes Lance in CHA's arms, and will make a sport out of making fun of Morey. That's a win for everybody.

 

[Gatorman]

deng likley to miami. Heat decide to play this year.

 

[ArbyMelt]

According to Houston chronicle this morning, rockets will match at the deadline (if they match) per their policy.

 

[Gatorman]

any chance Rockets don't match parsons and then go after lance?

 

[Abraham]

I have convinced myself the rockets will match but are simply waiting for deng to be off the market to screw Dallas.

I'm on pins and needles over this Parsons thing.It never occurred to me that they might not match, but there has been just enough speculation to get my hopes up a little.

Because if they don't, it probably pushes Lance in CHA's arms, and will make a sport out of making fun of Morey. That's a win for everybody.

I don't know, missing on Melo and bosh sucks but I don't know if we were really in the running on the former and can't blame the latter for staying put. Adding one of the better 3-and-d guys and dumping Lin and Asik while improving draft position (essentially) is pretty good. Doubtful they can win it all with this group, but if they add parsons and use the MLE on a defensive big (birdman?) then I can see it working out well.

 

[Abraham]

any chance Rockets don't match parsons and then go after lance?

They would go after lance first and keep parsons, I imagine. I said twenty five pages ago I hoped they would add him. Bev, lance, Ariza, Howard is a stout four piece for a defensive lineup.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

deng likley to miami. Heat decide to play this year.

Hearing 2 yrs/19 million. Just a few months ago when asked about a possible return to Chicago, he said sarcastically: "Yeah, maybe they'll offer me 3 years at 30 million" (the extension he rejected that led to him being traded.)

Real smooth Cliff.......

 

[pollardsvision]

I have convinced myself the rockets will match but are simply waiting for deng to be off the market to screw Dallas.

I'm on pins and needles over this Parsons thing.It never occurred to me that they might not match, but there has been just enough speculation to get my hopes up a little.

Because if they don't, it probably pushes Lance in CHA's arms, and will make a sport out of making fun of Morey. That's a win for everybody.

I don't know, missing on Melo and bosh sucks but I don't know if we were really in the running on the former and can't blame the latter for staying put. Adding one of the better 3-and-d guys and dumping Lin and Asik while improving draft position (essentially) is pretty good. Doubtful they can win it all with this group, but if they add parsons and use the MLE on a defensive big (birdman?) then I can see it working out well.

Oh, I know, it can still be a fine off-season, but wouldn't it basically mean he cut his 3rd best player who was due to make a million bucks this season?

That's the sort of move that would make Billy King proud (even if Billy King isn't smart enough to know why he took that chance).

 

[Cliff Clavin]

deng likley to miami. Heat decide to play this year.

Hearing 2 yrs/19 million. Just a few months ago when asked about a possible return to Chicago, he said sarcastically: "Yeah, maybe they'll offer me 3 years at 30 million" (the extension he rejected that led to him being traded.)Real smooth Cliff.......

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