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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

Did the Bulls really notice Deng leaving? Did the Cavs actually notice his arrival? Can't see how there isn't a giant drop off trading Lebron for Deng. That team doesn't come close to sniffing the finals. They might win a playoff series...might.
Yeah don't know what everyone is talking about. Wade might sit 25 games again. Opposing teams can focus on Bosh who plays more on the perimeter now. This team could be terrible.
Deng never lived up to the hype, I'm not a fan.
They're gonna have trouble scoring points. The PGs will need to create offense, now that James is gone. Yes, unless Wade discovers the Fountain of Youth, this could be a painful team to watch.
The $10m would have been better spent on Thomas.
I don't really get what they're doing. There's some big free agents next year and they had some incredible flexibility the way this all went down. Seems they would have been better off keeping some flexibility and making it a 2 year plan instead of mortgaging some of that flexibility to be pseudo competitive this year. But I guess Bosh probably bolts if you tell him that's the plan.
 
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Heartwarming.

"A few years ago I dreamed of coming back to New York City, the place of my birth, and on February 23, 2011 that became a reality," Anthony said in a statement. "This organization has supported me and in return, I want to stay and build here with this city and my team. At this pivotal juncture in my career, I owed it to myself and my family to explore all of the options available to me. Through it all, my heart never wavered."

"In the end, I am a New York Knick at heart," he said in the statement. "I am looking forward to continue my career in Orange & Blue and to work with Phil Jackson, a champion who builds championship teams. Madison Square Garden is the mecca of basketball and I am surrounded by the greatest fans in the world."

 
I think the East shakes out with a clear top 4 of Indy, bulls, cavs and heat. Raptors, wiz, and hornets are frisky. Nets, Knicks, and hawks (with horford returning) are interesting. Conference actually might not be terrible.
I think you underestimate raptors and wiz. I see the Hornets missing the playoffs. Hawks are very underrated with a healthy Horford. And I am picking Detroit to make the playoffs this year.

 
People thinking Miami is going to represent the East are out of their mind. Of course one of them is Tim so that figures.

Everyone said their biggest issue even with LeBron was a lack of depth. So let's take away the best player in the game, add Deng, Granger, and McRoberts. Oh I almost forgot Shabazz the 23rd pick in the draft or something.

5th seed at best as constructed.
Yeah, I don't see the East as a possibility. Playoffs are definitely attainable though. But it can be really ugly if Deng and Wade continue their propensity to get dinged up.

They have no front court depth, and no competent point guard.

 
Hornets sign Brian Roberts 2 for 5.5
Time for tim to reconsider that ECF prediction
He had an opportunity to shine with Holiday hurt and he fell flat on his face.
I don't know what you mean by "fell flat on his face", but in the 33 games he started and played starters minutes, the team had a slightly better win % (.424) than they did on the season as a whole (.414). He put up 11.9 and 4 with fantastic %'s as a starter. His and Jrue's WS/48 were also essentially identical.

I don't know much at all about the guy, nothing screams disaster for a cheap back-up PG.

CHA badly needs 3P and FT shooting, and he can certainly do both those (though he doesn't get to the line a Sessionsian rate).

 
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Did the Bulls really notice Deng leaving? Did the Cavs actually notice his arrival? Can't see how there isn't a giant drop off trading Lebron for Deng. That team doesn't come close to sniffing the finals. They might win a playoff series...might.
Yeah don't know what everyone is talking about. Wade might sit 25 games again. Opposing teams can focus on Bosh who plays more on the perimeter now. This team could be terrible.
Yeah, to put the Heat ahead of the Wizards or Hawks or Raptors is a stretch.

 
If they were allowing bets on Melo leaving the Knicks, I would wager every penny I own on that. No chance he stays with Knicks. Roster is depleted of assets, no draft pick this year. Melo turning 30, cant just waste a full year when he got like 3 or 4 peak years left.

Funny thing is I really think that Barngani trade (said this at the time) was the nail in the coffin for keeping Melo in NY. In that deal the Knicks were indebted to Barngani for 2 years 22M AND they gave up a first round pick. Early in year when Raptors were in full on sale mode, they wanted to trade Lowry for a first rounder and some fringe asset like a Shump and Knicks bailed. Only bec they had already been fleeced by Toronto earlier in that offseason. Had Knicks dealt for Lowry, Knicks make the playoffs, they can go over cap to resign Lowry and Melo likely stays since Knicks have some hope and cap room in 2015.
I'll take that bet. Up to $100 says he re-signs with the Knicks. Let me know how much. Offer expires in 24 hours.
You gotta deal my man. Paypal to the winner k? I can do 50 or 100 whatever you want. we need to iron out some kinks like he might sign with Knicks and get dealt in a sign and trade. Bet is basically on what uniform he will be wearing on Opening Day. you say 100 that he is wearing a Knicks uniform for first game, I got the Field.
Agreed. $100. I don't mean to weasel out by a sign and trade. Officially going by opening day roster is fine. However, I'm sure we'll know who one the bet by mid-July. By the way, yes, Paypal is fine.
right, if its clear he signs with Knicks to stay there then obviously you win bet, if its part of a sign and trade, I win. Not even sure if theycan sign and trade after he opted out, but what do I know.

GL!

As a New Yorker I actually hope I lose this bet as I like watching Knicks games and they will be depressing to watch without Melo next year, but as a realist, the writing has been on the wall, no way he comes back unless he solely is dong this for the money.
PM sent.

 
All you #HatersforLife and new Cleveland bandwagon fans probably need to get your mind right, and prepare yourselves for a Simmons article titled "The LeBron Theory" at some point this season and a Riley book called "The Blessing of Less" in a couple of years.

 
I can see the case both ways for parsons. Matching is essentially saying "this is our team for the next two seasons." And I don't think that team is good enough to win the west, mostly because it lacks the depth that San Antoine and the clippers and even the thunder possess. Chandler parsons is worth 15 million if you've added bosh. He isn't worth 15 million when he's supposed to be your third best player.

The flip side is he might get better still and now they aren't any better then they were last year despite all the moves. They may be worse off.

I hope parsons actually wanted to go to Dallas and didn't just do this to draw a better deal from Houston. ActuLly, I don't really care.

 
Do you guys care if your company is #1 in the industry or whether you make the money and have the lifestyle you want to be happy?
When you reach a certain level of financial stability, spending your time winning is much more enjoyable.
I'm not denying that. Some people may prefer to live in a certain area though. I'm just saying fans shouldn't get all pissed when players leave. These guys are people with families doing a job and living in the public eye.

I'm a pirates fan. Season tickets in the family a long time. Went to all the playoff games in the 90s. Barry Bonds was my favorite player. I don't hate him at all. I still enjoyed him in sf. The guy's dad was a giant and willie mays is is godfather and he wanted to go home and make a lot more money. Good for him.

 
Do you guys care if your company is #1 in the industry or whether you make the money and have the lifestyle you want to be happy?
I'm arguing a motion for summary judgment tomorrow against an attorney who I know makes more than I ever will. Given the choice between his salary or winning for my client, I choose winning.
That's one game. If you truly wanted the best chance to win and compete at the highest level you'd be big law. You're selfish and want to work for yourself because you don't get the team concept. (Not how I feel about you, but the kind of crap people would say if we watched court proceedings like we do sports).
It's everything to my client.
Yea. And you should work hard for your client. You have a contractual obligation. Melo should work hard for the Knicks while he has a contract.

Ethical violations aside, you could be against that same client on another issue next year. So what?
I wouldn't. But Carmelo, Pau, LeBron and a lot of other guys will be. So I don't understand your point.

 
Do you guys care if your company is #1 in the industry or whether you make the money and have the lifestyle you want to be happy?
I'm arguing a motion for summary judgment tomorrow against an attorney who I know makes more than I ever will. Given the choice between his salary or winning for my client, I choose winning.
That's one game. If you truly wanted the best chance to win and compete at the highest level you'd be big law. You're selfish and want to work for yourself because you don't get the team concept. (Not how I feel about you, but the kind of crap people would say if we watched court proceedings like we do sports).
It's everything to my client.
Yea. And you should work hard for your client. You have a contractual obligation. Melo should work hard for the Knicks while he has a contract.Ethical violations aside, you could be against that same client on another issue next year. So what?
I wouldn't. But Carmelo, Pau, LeBron and a lot of other guys will be. So I don't understand your point.
I don't want to hijack the thread anymore. My point is we shouldn't begrudge guys for msking decisions about their livelihood, family, and living situations so flippantly.

 
Bulls and Nikola Mirotic agree to terms. Besides adding a couple minimum salary guys, the Bulls off season is complete. If healthy (always a big if) the favorite to come out of the East is probably them or Cleveland.

 
I don't understand why Rockets traded Asik before finding out if any of the big free agents were coming.

I really like the Ariza signing, but this was a pretty bad offseason for the Rockets.

 
Do you guys care if your company is #1 in the industry or whether you make the money and have the lifestyle you want to be happy?
I'm arguing a motion for summary judgment tomorrow against an attorney who I know makes more than I ever will. Given the choice between his salary or winning for my client, I choose winning.
That's one game. If you truly wanted the best chance to win and compete at the highest level you'd be big law. You're selfish and want to work for yourself because you don't get the team concept. (Not how I feel about you, but the kind of crap people would say if we watched court proceedings like we do sports).
It's everything to my client.
Yea. And you should work hard for your client. You have a contractual obligation. Melo should work hard for the Knicks while he has a contract.Ethical violations aside, you could be against that same client on another issue next year. So what?
I wouldn't. But Carmelo, Pau, LeBron and a lot of other guys will be. So I don't understand your point.
I don't want to hijack the thread anymore. My point is we shouldn't begrudge guys for msking decisions about their livelihood, family, and living situations so flippantly.
I think when we're talking about $10MM versus $9MM per year people who make "normal" incomes are allowed to be a little flippant.

 
A lot of unknowns there. Or he could've went and played for Chicago which did win 48 games last year and that's without himself and without Rose and a few other nice pieces. So yeah, he'd be pretty much be guaranteed to be playing in some meaningful playoff games this year and beyond rather than hoping they can fill out that roster in NY which probably ain't going to be happening until at least 2016 since next year is so devoid of talent.
What about the rings LeBron passed up not going to CHI?
Uh, Lebron already has 2 with a pretty good chance at winning some more. Melo, no rings and a gigantic unknown.
I guess he's all set with 2 or 3 then. I guess he's bowing out of the chase for Jordan's 6. No shame in that. Not everybody can be Jordan.
Lebron can win the title this year. Not sure why people seem to be dismissing that. He is the best player in the game. He is going to a team with one very good player and several solid role players.
Right he can because any team with LeBron can.But if he really, really, really cared about winning a title this year and was open to taking less than the max, there are almost 10 teams that would've given him a better shot.Among teams that could've opened up some cap room, CHI, ATL, MIA, CHA, WAS, HOU, DAL, PHX, at least and a case could be made for almost a half a dozen more.Clippers and Spurs could opened up room too. You know, if LeBron was really committed to winning a bunch of titles.
Just like Jordan took pay cuts?
It was a different era in terms of how players were paid. But Jordan did leave a TON of endorsement money sitting on the table so that he could spend time honing his craft as opposed to just raking in the most dough.
LOL

 
Do you guys care if your company is #1 in the industry or whether you make the money and have the lifestyle you want to be happy?
I'm arguing a motion for summary judgment tomorrow against an attorney who I know makes more than I ever will. Given the choice between his salary or winning for my client, I choose winning.
That's one game. If you truly wanted the best chance to win and compete at the highest level you'd be big law. You're selfish and want to work for yourself because you don't get the team concept. (Not how I feel about you, but the kind of crap people would say if we watched court proceedings like we do sports).
It's everything to my client.
Yea. And you should work hard for your client. You have a contractual obligation. Melo should work hard for the Knicks while he has a contract.Ethical violations aside, you could be against that same client on another issue next year. So what?
I wouldn't. But Carmelo, Pau, LeBron and a lot of other guys will be. So I don't understand your point.
I don't want to hijack the thread anymore. My point is we shouldn't begrudge guys for msking decisions about their livelihood, family, and living situations so flippantly.
I think when we're talking about $10MM versus $9MM per year people who make "normal" incomes are allowed to be a little flippant.
Lol. Melo would have left 50-60 million on the table if he signed with Chicago. Easy to say you would join Chicago when you are not in his shoes.

 
Do you guys care if your company is #1 in the industry or whether you make the money and have the lifestyle you want to be happy?
I'm arguing a motion for summary judgment tomorrow against an attorney who I know makes more than I ever will. Given the choice between his salary or winning for my client, I choose winning.
That's one game. If you truly wanted the best chance to win and compete at the highest level you'd be big law. You're selfish and want to work for yourself because you don't get the team concept. (Not how I feel about you, but the kind of crap people would say if we watched court proceedings like we do sports).
It's everything to my client.
Yea. And you should work hard for your client. You have a contractual obligation. Melo should work hard for the Knicks while he has a contract.Ethical violations aside, you could be against that same client on another issue next year. So what?
I wouldn't. But Carmelo, Pau, LeBron and a lot of other guys will be. So I don't understand your point.
I don't want to hijack the thread anymore. My point is we shouldn't begrudge guys for msking decisions about their livelihood, family, and living situations so flippantly.
I think when we're talking about $10MM versus $9MM per year people who make "normal" incomes are allowed to be a little flippant.
Lol. Melo would have left 50-60 million on the table if he signed with Chicago. Easy to say you would join Chicago when you are not in his shoes.
Yeah, that's kind of the definition of flippant.

 
Only reason to decline Parson's option was because you did not want him to walk next offseason as an UFA. Now to let him walk a year early for nothing? HOF blunder.

 
If Parsons is so replaceable you keep him on for another year at 900k and deal with his FA next offseason. You also have another year to work on an extension that is more to your liking. Would think Parsons anxious to get paid.

 
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Dallas definitely improved their roster with the additions of Parsons and Tyson Chandler.

Chandler

Nowitzki

Parsons

Ellis

Felton

 
A lot of unknowns there. Or he could've went and played for Chicago which did win 48 games last year and that's without himself and without Rose and a few other nice pieces. So yeah, he'd be pretty much be guaranteed to be playing in some meaningful playoff games this year and beyond rather than hoping they can fill out that roster in NY which probably ain't going to be happening until at least 2016 since next year is so devoid of talent.
What about the rings LeBron passed up not going to CHI?
Uh, Lebron already has 2 with a pretty good chance at winning some more. Melo, no rings and a gigantic unknown.
I guess he's all set with 2 or 3 then. I guess he's bowing out of the chase for Jordan's 6. No shame in that. Not everybody can be Jordan.
Lebron can win the title this year. Not sure why people seem to be dismissing that. He is the best player in the game. He is going to a team with one very good player and several solid role players.
Right he can because any team with LeBron can.But if he really, really, really cared about winning a title this year and was open to taking less than the max, there are almost 10 teams that would've given him a better shot.Among teams that could've opened up some cap room, CHI, ATL, MIA, CHA, WAS, HOU, DAL, PHX, at least and a case could be made for almost a half a dozen more.Clippers and Spurs could opened up room too. You know, if LeBron was really committed to winning a bunch of titles.
Just like Jordan took pay cuts?
It was a different era in terms of how players were paid. But Jordan did leave a TON of endorsement money sitting on the table so that he could spend time honing his craft as opposed to just raking in the most dough.
LOL
I see your LOL and raise you a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Lakers fans. Pfft.

 
And Anthony Bennett looks much better so far. Guy is actually in shape. He'll never live up to the #1 status IMO but could be a productive NBA player.

 
And Anthony Bennett looks much better so far. Guy is actually in shape. He'll never live up to the #1 status IMO but could be a productive NBA player.
From everything I have read, he appears to be on a mission after showing up out of shape last year. He doesn't need to be a star on that team, just a solid role player. It's summer league, but he looks to be in shape.

 
And Anthony Bennett looks much better so far. Guy is actually in shape. He'll never live up to the #1 status IMO but could be a productive NBA player.
Nobody last year would live up to number 1. But he was historically bad. Unfortunate because if he goes anywhere else he just becomes another in the long line of Derrick Williams and Evan Turner and expectations would be lower.
 
I can see the case both ways for parsons. Matching is essentially saying "this is our team for the next two seasons." And I don't think that team is good enough to win the west, mostly because it lacks the depth that San Antoine and the clippers and even the thunder possess. Chandler parsons is worth 15 million if you've added bosh. He isn't worth 15 million when he's supposed to be your third best player.

The flip side is he might get better still and now they aren't any better then they were last year despite all the moves. They may be worse off.

I hope parsons actually wanted to go to Dallas and didn't just do this to draw a better deal from Houston. ActuLly, I don't really care.
Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Parsons, but losing him for nothing is better than paying him 15 million a year. Under any scenario. That salary is even worse than the Deng thing. But it was horrible considering they had him for another year at nothing of course. Parsons is actually going to make more than Nowitzki now isn't he? That's truly horrible....
 
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Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

 
Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.
.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

 
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