*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[DrJ]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

That team isn't going to win and he was offered a max deal by Houston who actually could with him in the fold. Top 5 fa doesn't mean much when the gap between you and the guy above you is gigantic. That's like being the #4 player in a "3 player" draft. Horrible signing, and even dumber move by Nowitzki to facilitate it at his expense.

 

[got_nugs]

People thinking Miami is going to represent the East are out of their mind. Of course one of them is Tim so that figures.

Everyone said their biggest issue even with LeBron was a lack of depth. So let's take away the best player in the game, add Deng, Granger, and McRoberts. Oh I almost forgot Shabazz the 23rd pick in the draft or something.

5th seed at best as constructed.

I agree here. I'm glad my team isn't folding and will at least field a competitive team but as constructed it's not better than the Wiz, the Bulls, the PaceCars or that team in Ohio. Probably not better than Toronto and I kinda like Atlanta too. Could they beat a few of those teams in the playoffs? Sure. I HIGHLY question them beating all of them. I hope they do, of course, but I just don't see it. I do like that 2016 the Heat will be flexible to add free agents and that Cleveland most likely won't have the unprotected pick in 2017.

If you find it I suggest reading LeBatards article in the Miami Herald (and probably on espn somewhere, sorry if it's already mentioned). Funny to watch cocky Cavs fan spread their plume of feathers these past few days, probably looks like what Heat fan has looked like for the past few years. My bad about that.

 

[Abraham]

Wonder if the rockets will bid on boozer.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I can see the case both ways for parsons. Matching is essentially saying "this is our team for the next two seasons." And I don't think that team is good enough to win the west, mostly because it lacks the depth that San Antoine and the clippers and even the thunder possess. Chandler parsons is worth 15 million if you've added bosh. He isn't worth 15 million when he's supposed to be your third best player.

The flip side is he might get better still and now they aren't any better then they were last year despite all the moves. They may be worse off.

I hope parsons actually wanted to go to Dallas and didn't just do this to draw a better deal from Houston. ActuLly, I don't really care.

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Parsons, but losing him for nothing is better than paying him 15 million a year. Under any scenario. That salary is even worse than the Deng thing. But it was horrible considering they had him for another year at nothing of course. Parsons is actually going to make more than Nowitzki now isn't he? That's truly horrible....

In 3 seasons, Parsons has averaged 30+ mind a game. His numbers are average but have grown each season. The deal is more than he deserves, but he's a young commodity. Something the Mavd haven't had in 10 years, when it comes to possibly landing a big trade... sign and trade ...

 

[Britney Spears]

A lot of unknowns there. Or he could've went and played for Chicago which did win 48 games last year and that's without himself and without Rose and a few other nice pieces. So yeah, he'd be pretty much be guaranteed to be playing in some meaningful playoff games this year and beyond rather than hoping they can fill out that roster in NY which probably ain't going to be happening until at least 2016 since next year is so devoid of talent.

What about the rings LeBron passed up not going to CHI?

Uh, Lebron already has 2 with a pretty good chance at winning some more. Melo, no rings and a gigantic unknown.

I guess he's all set with 2 or 3 then. I guess he's bowing out of the chase for Jordan's 6. No shame in that. Not everybody can be Jordan.

Lebron can win the title this year. Not sure why people seem to be dismissing that. He is the best player in the game. He is going to a team with one very good player and several solid role players.

Right he can because any team with LeBron can.But if he really, really, really cared about winning a title this year and was open to taking less than the max, there are almost 10 teams that would've given him a better shot.Among teams that could've opened up some cap room, CHI, ATL, MIA, CHA, WAS, HOU, DAL, PHX, at least and a case could be made for almost a half a dozen more.Clippers and Spurs could opened up room too. You know, if LeBron was really committed to winning a bunch of titles.

Just like Jordan took pay cuts?

It was a different era in terms of how players were paid. But Jordan did leave a TON of endorsement money sitting on the table so that he could spend time honing his craft as opposed to just raking in the most dough.

LOL

I see your LOL and raise you a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Lakers fans. Pfft.

I am a huge Laker fan, you got me there.

 

[Abraham]

I can see the case both ways for parsons. Matching is essentially saying "this is our team for the next two seasons." And I don't think that team is good enough to win the west, mostly because it lacks the depth that San Antoine and the clippers and even the thunder possess. Chandler parsons is worth 15 million if you've added bosh. He isn't worth 15 million when he's supposed to be your third best player.

The flip side is he might get better still and now they aren't any better then they were last year despite all the moves. They may be worse off.

I hope parsons actually wanted to go to Dallas and didn't just do this to draw a better deal from Houston. ActuLly, I don't really care.

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Parsons, but losing him for nothing is better than paying him 15 million a year. Under any scenario. That salary is even worse than the Deng thing. But it was horrible considering they had him for another year at nothing of course. Parsons is actually going to make more than Nowitzki now isn't he? That's truly horrible....

In 3 seasons, Parsons has averaged 30+ mind a game. His numbers are average but have grown each season. The deal is more than he deserves, but he's a young commodity. Something the Mavd haven't had in 10 years, when it comes to possibly landing a big trade... sign and trade ...

My understanding is the 15% trade kicker makes him almost impossible to trade.

 

[thecatch]

And Anthony Bennett looks much better so far. Guy is actually in shape. He'll never live up to the #1 status IMO but could be a productive NBA player.

He's looked very good so far - much better shape

He runs the floor well and looks like he might be able to hit a 3 once in a while.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

That team isn't going to win and he was offered a max deal by Houston who actually could with him in the fold. Top 5 fa doesn't mean much when the gap between you and the guy above you is gigantic. That's like being the #4 player in a "3 player" draft. Horrible signing, and even dumber move by Nowitzki to facilitate it at his expense.

Your saying Dirk should've gone to HOU?

Okay. LeBron and Melo should've too. T

These guys factor in many things when making these decisions, and clearly Dirk wants to stay in DAL and do the best he can to win there. It's not a dumb decision.

 

[DrJ]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

That team isn't going to win and he was offered a max deal by Houston who actually could with him in the fold. Top 5 fa doesn't mean much when the gap between you and the guy above you is gigantic. That's like being the #4 player in a "3 player" draft. Horrible signing, and even dumber move by Nowitzki to facilitate it at his expense.

Your saying Dirk should've gone to HOU?

Okay. LeBron and Melo should've too. T

These guys factor in many things when making these decisions, and clearly Dirk wants to stay in DAL and do the best he can to win there. It's not a dumb decision.

Bosh as well, assuming winning was the top priority. They all cared about other things, making money being high on that list. Dirk isn't making even close to his actual value, and this signing is like anti-Spurs. You don't take less to overpay a TON for marginally above average talent. You do it so you can load up on value guys. I just don't get it. Entirely stupid IMO.

 

[Kev4029]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

 

[Premier]

When is Dwight going to win that ring he keeps talking about

 

[DrJ]

When is Dwight going to win that ring he keeps talking about

According to Vegas his odds are far better this year than Orlando.

 

[GOB]

When is Dwight going to win that ring he keeps talking about

Probably never but he wasn't winning in Orlando either. Otis Smith ran that team into the ground. I don't blame him for wanting out.The way he went about it was awful.

 

[pollardsvision]

When is Dwight going to win that ring he keeps talking about

Well, step 1 is getting Parsons' worthless ### out of there, so he's on the right track.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I can see the case both ways for parsons. Matching is essentially saying "this is our team for the next two seasons." And I don't think that team is good enough to win the west, mostly because it lacks the depth that San Antoine and the clippers and even the thunder possess. Chandler parsons is worth 15 million if you've added bosh. He isn't worth 15 million when he's supposed to be your third best player.

The flip side is he might get better still and now they aren't any better then they were last year despite all the moves. They may be worse off.

I hope parsons actually wanted to go to Dallas and didn't just do this to draw a better deal from Houston. ActuLly, I don't really care.

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Parsons, but losing him for nothing is better than paying him 15 million a year. Under any scenario. That salary is even worse than the Deng thing. But it was horrible considering they had him for another year at nothing of course. Parsons is actually going to make more than Nowitzki now isn't he? That's truly horrible....

In 3 seasons, Parsons has averaged 30+ mind a game. His numbers are average but have grown each season. The deal is more than he deserves, but he's a young commodity. Something the Mavd haven't had in 10 years, when it comes to possibly landing a big trade... sign and trade ...

My understanding is the 15% trade kicker makes him almost impossible to trade.

Bummer. Didn't know that. At least we'll have 3 guys under 30 penned to start thi year (Felton, Ellis and Parsons).I think Cubes realized he's one of the "outside" teams for most major FAs and has finally adjusted his offseason strategy go reflect such. They won it in 11 without a "big" anything other than Dirk and "guys".

 

[Abraham]

Alonzo Gee to Houston

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The Heat are at best a 42 win team next year and that is only if everything breaks right for them.

 

[DrJ]

Is overpaying a guy that obscenely good for the locker room? I imagine most people in most lines of work get a little ticked off when they have to pick up the slack for someone making several times what they do. Just can't see any possible way to spin this as good.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

 

[Premier]

When is Dwight going to win that ring he keeps talking about

According to Vegas his odds are far better this year than Orlando.

I'm sure.

 

[Abraham]

Stein says rockets and mavs trying to get approval to do a sign and trade.

Not sure I understand the point.

 

[thecatch]

Stein says rockets and mavs trying to get approval to do a sign and trade.

Not sure I understand the point.

Trade exception probably.

 

[Abraham]

They already got one for the Lin trade iirc.

 

[pollardsvision]

Stein says rockets and mavs trying to get approval to do a sign and trade.

Not sure I understand the point.

Trade exception probably.

Why would DAL want to give up a trade exception?

It seems like it has to be some sort of contract DAL doesn't want, but HOU could use.

 

[Abraham]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

 

[Abraham]

Birdman back to Miami.

 

[pollardsvision]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

But what possible reason would DAL have for "creating" a trade exception for HOU?

 

[GOB]

So is the Asik trade complete or what?

 

[No. 16]

Dallas definitely improved their roster with the additions of Parsons and Tyson Chandler.

Chandler

Nowitzki

Parsons

Ellis

Felton

That team doesn't have enough defense to truly contend, but on offense it will be awesome to watch and hard defend if Felton can hit a 3 or get a PG that can.

 

[Kev4029]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

Parson's biggest attribute is he stays healthy and is in fantastic shape.

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

18 players under the age of 26 had at least 14 win shares over the last two years, nearly all of whom will be much cheaper than Parsons next year. In total 40 players hit that threshold over the last two years. Parson's best attribute is he stays healthy and is in great shape so he can eat up a lot of minutes.

He is a nice player, but paying a role player like a star is the quickest way to derail championship aspirations. With the signing of Ariza they got a player who I would consider a slightly inferior talent, but a much better fit with the team as he can guard Harden's man and still knock down open jumpers.

 

[sporthenry]

Morey definitely outsmarted himself. Houston paying Parsons $15 million beyond the cap isn't bad but Parsons making $15 million of your cap is insane. That is why I'm not really sure the narrative of Dallas stealing him is great because I can't imagine him being worth 25% of your cap. Morey took a gamble and certainly lost. I'm sure he'd say that he was gone at the end of the year anyways and this way, if they got another max free agent, they would have been contenders. Matching Parsons now didn't really do much for them so I think that is the correct move but certainly doesn't look good when you could have had him for $1 million. But maybe it keeps Dallas from going after a big time free agent in the next few years although that is an extreme silver lining.

 

[Kev4029]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

But what possible reason would DAL have for "creating" a trade exception for HOU?

A second round pick or maybe some cash. I don't know how this would be allowed though, the rules are pretty firm on not allowing a sign and trade once the offer sheet has been signed.

 

[Abraham]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

But what possible reason would DAL have for "creating" a trade exception for HOU?

"We are having second thoughts and may match..."

 

[RUSF18]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

But what possible reason would DAL have for "creating" a trade exception for HOU?

Looks like it's not happening, but Stein said they could cancel the original offer sheet and change the structure of the deal for their benefit.

 

[No. 16]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

But what possible reason would DAL have for "creating" a trade exception for HOU?

I've always thought of these as "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of thing.

Dallas doesn't really gain anything, unless there's some crazy cap timing issues I'm not aware of.

 

[thecatch]

You don't "give up" a trade exception. You create one. This would allow - for example - Houston to absorb a contract another team doesn't want for a draft pick.

I can't recall if it is dollar for dollar but if it is, a 15 million dollar trade exception has tons of value. Houston could acquire Kevin love without making the salaries match. Won't happen, but that is one example.

But what possible reason would DAL have for "creating" a trade exception for HOU?

A second round pick or maybe some cash. I don't know how this would be allowed though, the rules are pretty firm on not allowing a sign and trade once the offer sheet has been signed.

The teams getting the players aren't usually getting any other assets. Either the signing team is just doing the other team a solid that doesn't cost them anything, or there must be some obscure book keeping benefit.Maybe like Abe said, it's just a firm commitment that the former team won't match.

Edit: Stein just tweeted that the Mavs shut down the negotiations precisely because they didn't want to let the Rockets get the trade exception.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

Parson's biggest attribute is he stays healthy and is in fantastic shape.

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

18 players under the age of 26 had at least 14 win shares over the last two years, nearly all of whom will be much cheaper than Parsons next year. In total 40 players hit that threshold over the last two years. Parson's best attribute is he stays healthy and is in great shape so he can eat up a lot of minutes.

He is a nice player, but paying a role player like a star is the quickest way to derail championship aspirations. With the signing of Ariza they got a player who I would consider a slightly inferior talent, but a much better fit with the team as he can guard Harden's man and still knock down open jumpers.

18 players did that and it's fine that the others are cheap, but how many are attainable and make sense for an aging DAL team trying to squeeze out one last run for Dirk? It's also a team that, for some reason, has trouble landing top young FA's.

It was costly and I don't think they expected to land him, but in their situation, I think it makes sense.

Aren't the top FA's next off-season going to be some bigs DAL probably can't get and Rondo?

 

[matuski]

Screw Cleveland, Allen should head to the Spurs.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Edit: Stein just tweeted that the Mavs shut down the negotiations precisely because they didn't want to let the Rockets get the trade exception.

Yeah helping the Rockets out made absolutely zero sense.

They unquestionably overpaid, but losing a year in the prime of the career of one of the best contracts in the league is one of the biggest blunders of recent memory. Not only do they lose that ideal contract, but very likely any shot at trading for Kevin Love.

 

[Abraham]

Edit: Stein just tweeted that the Mavs shut down the negotiations precisely because they didn't want to let the Rockets get the trade exception.

Yeah helping the Rockets out made absolutely zero sense.

They unquestionably overpaid, but losing a year in the prime of the career of one of the best contracts in the league is one of the biggest blunders of recent memory. Not only do they lose that ideal contract, but very likely any shot at trading for Kevin Love.

Not sure it has anything to do with love.

 

[pollardsvision]

Screw Cleveland, Allen should head to the Spurs.

That would be awesome. It's not like Allen hasn't switched sides right after losing a battle before.

 

[Abraham]

Augustine to pistons. 2/6 is cheap.

 

[metoo]

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

Parson's biggest attribute is he stays healthy and is in fantastic shape.

Yeah, looking at this Parsons gets way more than Nowitzki. Way to go Dirk, you didn't get paid and your team is still fodder. Nice work.

.Fodder? That's silly.

He took less to win. It's not his fault LeBron and Melo don't care about signing with a winner. Adding one of the best 5 FA's of the summer isn't a bad consolation prize (case could be made for 3rd best).

There is zero case to be made that hes the third best.

A player who averages16/5/4 per 36 while being an awful defender is pretty easy to replace. In fact, the Rockets replaced that with Ariza for half the cost and he is a very good defender. It was a terrible move to decline his team option, but it was the right move not to match that awful contract.

Ariza's had 2 good seasons (were they both in contract years?).

Obviously, Parsons isn't some bargain at that price and obviously it was high, but it was a smart move for DAL to make.

I disagree about HOU matching. Once they put this in motion, I think they had to match. Obviously, not as horrible the original decision, but still a bad one.

I think DAL got caught a little trying to screw HOU, but they got a really nice, young player for Dirk's last few years. There aren't a lot of 25 YO's in the league coming off back to back 7 win seasons.

18 players under the age of 26 had at least 14 win shares over the last two years, nearly all of whom will be much cheaper than Parsons next year. In total 40 players hit that threshold over the last two years. Parson's best attribute is he stays healthy and is in great shape so he can eat up a lot of minutes.

He is a nice player, but paying a role player like a star is the quickest way to derail championship aspirations. With the signing of Ariza they got a player who I would consider a slightly inferior talent, but a much better fit with the team as he can guard Harden's man and still knock down open jumpers.

18 players did that and it's fine that the others are cheap, but how many are attainable and make sense for an aging DAL team trying to squeeze out one last run for Dirk? It's also a team that, for some reason, has trouble landing top young FA's.

It was costly and I don't think they expected to land him, but in their situation, I think it makes sense.

Aren't the top FA's next off-season going to be some bigs DAL probably can't get and Rondo?

Gasol, Jordan,Duncan(Lol), Milsap, Aldridge.

PO:

Lopez

Hibbert(He would opt in now if he could)

Jefferson

Love

West

 

[Kev4029]

18 players did that and it's fine that the others are cheap, but how many are attainable and make sense for an aging DAL team trying to squeeze out one last run for Dirk? It's also a team that, for some reason, has trouble landing top young FA's.

It was costly and I don't think they expected to land him, but in their situation, I think it makes sense.

Aren't the top FA's next off-season going to be some bigs DAL probably can't get and Rondo?

It just seems to me that they would have been better off filling that $15m with 3 or 4 good players rather than one. Vince Carter and Marion for half the price of Parsons would have been a good start, and I'm sure they would have been willing to come back. Or, if they were hell bent on trying to get a young player, go after Bledsoe.

Notable 2015 FAs

PG: Parker, Dragic (PO), Rondo

SG: Afflalo, Thompson, Matthews

SF: Butler, Leonard

PF: Thompson, Love (PO), Faried, Aldridge

C: Duncan, Jefferson (PO), Chandler, M Gasol

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Augustine to pistons. 2/6 is cheap.

He's terrible. He was priced right last year at a million.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Edit: Stein just tweeted that the Mavs shut down the negotiations precisely because they didn't want to let the Rockets get the trade exception.

Yeah helping the Rockets out made absolutely zero sense.

They unquestionably overpaid, but losing a year in the prime of the career of one of the best contracts in the league is one of the biggest blunders of recent memory. Not only do they lose that ideal contract, but very likely any shot at trading for Kevin Love.

Not sure it has anything to do with love.

Whether it is or not is irrelevant because they simply don't have the assets for Love anyway. One of the all-time blunders in history.

Definitely thought they were destined (whether by FA or trade) to get Love or Bosh. Parsons obviously was a huge piece to getting Love.

I definitely bumped Houston down a lot. Thought they were title contenders in the next 2-3 years if they acquired another star (which they were positioned to do). There's not a whole helluva left available this offseason and next offseason looks bad (same reason I snicker in regards to the Knicks having all that $$ to spend next offseason.......on who exactly? Most of the free agents worth anything won't even hit the market )

 

[metoo]

18 players did that and it's fine that the others are cheap, but how many are attainable and make sense for an aging DAL team trying to squeeze out one last run for Dirk? It's also a team that, for some reason, has trouble landing top young FA's.

It was costly and I don't think they expected to land him, but in their situation, I think it makes sense.

Aren't the top FA's next off-season going to be some bigs DAL probably can't get and Rondo?

It just seems to me that they would have been better off filling that $15m with 3 or 4 good players rather than one. Vince Carter and Marion for half the price of Parsons would have been a good start, and I'm sure they would have been willing to come back. Or, if they were hell bent on trying to get a young player, go after Bledsoe.

Notable 2015 FAs

PG: Parker, Dragic (PO), Rondo

SG: Afflalo, Thompson, Matthews

SF: Butler, Leonard

PF: Thompson, Love (PO), Faried, Aldridge

C: Duncan, Jefferson (PO), Chandler, M Gasol

Thompson is a restricted FA.

 

[Daywalker]

And Anthony Bennett looks much better so far. Guy is actually in shape. He'll never live up to the #1 status IMO but could be a productive NBA player.

He's looked very good so far - much better shape

He runs the floor well and looks like he might be able to hit a 3 once in a while.

Bennett, Thompson and Waiters' value could not be much lower. Would think their value will climb while playing with Lebron. That is why they should hold onto Wiggins in any Love trade. Let it play out until midseason. If not Love another opportunity.

 

[thecatch]

Hey, that's two games in a row PJ Hairston has made it through without punching anybody.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

And Anthony Bennett looks much better so far. Guy is actually in shape. He'll never live up to the #1 status IMO but could be a productive NBA player.

He's looked very good so far - much better shape

He runs the floor well and looks like he might be able to hit a 3 once in a while.

Bennett, Thompson and Waiters' value could not be much lower. Would think their value will climb while playing with Lebron. That is why they should hold onto Wiggins in any Love trade. Let it play out until midseason. If not Love another opportunity.

Couldn't agree more.