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[Notorious T.R.E.]

Martin makes $7ish mil a year for 3 years...not horrible, but does take up some cap room. Meeks is getting $6mil for crying out loud.

Edit: But yes, it's more than just Klay and it should be.

 

[thecatch]

Charlotte and Atlanta the favorites to win the Boozer amnesty sweepstakes per Woj.

 

[pollardsvision]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 33m

Plenty of teams with salary cap space, but two early favorites to make bids on Carlos Boozer: Charlotte and Atlanta.

Call your bookie to double down.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Martin is a turnstile.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Martin is a turnstile.

Yes.

 

[pollardsvision]

I wonder if MIN would've taken Parsons and Asik for Love and Martin.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Flip this around as if you are the GM of the TWolves. If you are dealing with the Cavs a deal with Waiters and Thompson with 3 1's (Cavs picks likely to be late 1st) that doesn't look very attractive when you are giving up a superstar. I would only accept Wiggins + picks or if dealing with the Warriors it would be Klay + players/picks. I wouldn't even consider anything else from those 2 teams.

This sounds like something David Kahn would keep repeating over and over again until Love finally just left town as a free agent.

Agreed - CLE is operating out of a position of strength. The status quo should be perfectly OK for them. It's the Wolves that need the deal, and frankly that GS proposal isn't all that stellar (trading for the right to overpay Klay), and even that is reportedly something that GS is unwilling to do.

:badposting:

Sorry your franchise guy wants to leave. On the bright side, Anthony Bennett has looked great in summer league.

As long as there are multiple teams interested you can have a bidding war and take the best deal. If Cleveland doesn't include wiggins they won't have the best offer.

Only the teams that Love will sign with are candidates for the bidding war. Who does that include other than Cleveland and GS?

 

[pollardsvision]

Flip this around as if you are the GM of the TWolves. If you are dealing with the Cavs a deal with Waiters and Thompson with 3 1's (Cavs picks likely to be late 1st) that doesn't look very attractive when you are giving up a superstar. I would only accept Wiggins + picks or if dealing with the Warriors it would be Klay + players/picks. I wouldn't even consider anything else from those 2 teams.

This sounds like something David Kahn would keep repeating over and over again until Love finally just left town as a free agent.

Agreed - CLE is operating out of a position of strength. The status quo should be perfectly OK for them. It's the Wolves that need the deal, and frankly that GS proposal isn't all that stellar (trading for the right to overpay Klay), and even that is reportedly something that GS is unwilling to do.

:badposting:

Sorry your franchise guy wants to leave. On the bright side, Anthony Bennett has looked great in summer league.

As long as there are multiple teams interested you can have a bidding war and take the best deal. If Cleveland doesn't include wiggins they won't have the best offer.

Only the teams that Love will sign with are candidates for the bidding war. Who does that include other than Cleveland and GS?

The team with all the draft picks in the town he was just house-hunting in.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Flip this around as if you are the GM of the TWolves. If you are dealing with the Cavs a deal with Waiters and Thompson with 3 1's (Cavs picks likely to be late 1st) that doesn't look very attractive when you are giving up a superstar. I would only accept Wiggins + picks or if dealing with the Warriors it would be Klay + players/picks. I wouldn't even consider anything else from those 2 teams.

This sounds like something David Kahn would keep repeating over and over again until Love finally just left town as a free agent.

Agreed - CLE is operating out of a position of strength. The status quo should be perfectly OK for them. It's the Wolves that need the deal, and frankly that GS proposal isn't all that stellar (trading for the right to overpay Klay), and even that is reportedly something that GS is unwilling to do.

:badposting:

Sorry your franchise guy wants to leave. On the bright side, Anthony Bennett has looked great in summer league.

As long as there are multiple teams interested you can have a bidding war and take the best deal. If Cleveland doesn't include wiggins they won't have the best offer.

Only the teams that Love will sign with are candidates for the bidding war. Who does that include other than Cleveland and GS?

He has mentioned the celts as well. Not sure about Phoenix...but it's close-ish to home.

 

[got_nugs]

What's the hate for bud?

What hate? You think that signing was good for Wade or the Heat?

They signed him for a 2 year deal, allowing maximum flexibility in '16. Unless you think that Miami is a 3MM/yr player away from winning it all, what's not to like about resigning Wade for 4/5MM less/year?

They signed a guy who could barely get through 50 games last season for $16M. That is good? Sure, it's great for them that Wade screwed himself out of $6/7M a season. Doesn't mean throwing $16M at him is good.

He couldn't get through 50 games or Tim Grover had him on a specific schedule to be in peak shape for the last 14 games at the end of a 4 year span where his team played more games than anyone else in the league? He looked pretty fantastic for all but the last 3 of them. If you think they just threw the Kobe offer at Wade there's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. If you think they paid for 2 years of stability for their fan base as well as on the court and continued the plan of having maximum flexibility for 2016 to pair other players with Bosh, I can dig it. Wade/Bosh/Deng are all 4 letter words, brother. Using the term horrible or terrible just comes off to me as harsh, hateristic criticism. Alas we here in Miami do suffer from a persecution complex that was justified these past 4 years....maybe that's some of it.

Call it what ever you want and if you're convinced that Wade's rest wasn't because his body is breaking down then we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure he'll be much fresher now that he doesn't have LeBron to do the heavy lifting

It's not hate. It's a bad contract. Just like Frye, Meeks and Bosh are bad contracts.

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

 

[pollardsvision]

CLE fans starting to get uppity and entitled again. No offense.

All you other guys should be regretting your tears of joy for LeBron going home soon enough.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The team with all the draft picks in the town he was just house-hunting in.

Sadly I don't know to which team or town you are referring.

 

[pollardsvision]

The team with all the draft picks in the town he was just house-hunting in.

Sadly I don't know to which team or town you are referring.

No househunting that we know of. Just galavanting around town with Rondo in BOS.

 

[Short Corner]

I think that is a reasonable deal from the Heat perspective.

People are writing off Wade far too easily.

Yeah it's laughable. He played really well last year but ran out of gas.....LIKE THE REST OF THE TEAM AFTER 4 STRAIGHT FINALS.

LMFAO. Wade should be fine next season. I really feel he will have a nice bounce back after really falling flat in the Finals games 3-5. Up until that point he was playing some vintage Wade basketball. His demise is being greatly exaggerated. Is he older and no doubt slowing down? yeah. But washed up? Nope. Still a quality veteran.

Maybe they should give him 40 games off next season.

 

[mcintyre1]

Flip this around as if you are the GM of the TWolves. If you are dealing with the Cavs a deal with Waiters and Thompson with 3 1's (Cavs picks likely to be late 1st) that doesn't look very attractive when you are giving up a superstar. I would only accept Wiggins + picks or if dealing with the Warriors it would be Klay + players/picks. I wouldn't even consider anything else from those 2 teams.

This sounds like something David Kahn would keep repeating over and over again until Love finally just left town as a free agent.

Agreed - CLE is operating out of a position of strength. The status quo should be perfectly OK for them. It's the Wolves that need the deal, and frankly that GS proposal isn't all that stellar (trading for the right to overpay Klay), and even that is reportedly something that GS is unwilling to do.

:badposting:

Sorry your franchise guy wants to leave. On the bright side, Anthony Bennett has looked great in summer league.

As long as there are multiple teams interested you can have a bidding war and take the best deal. If Cleveland doesn't include wiggins they won't have the best offer.

Only the teams that Love will sign with are candidates for the bidding war. Who does that include other than Cleveland and GS?

Officially he hasn't said he'll sign anywhere. Unofficially, I've heard GSW, Cavs, Boston, Bulls. But realistically anywhere with a decent shot of making the playoffs (no idea why he likes Boston, then).

 

[pollardsvision]

I think BOS gets in the Playoff mix by just adding Love.

They added 2 rookies that can help right away. Good coach, full season of Rondo, Green's very solid, and those young bigs have a minor whiff of potential.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Have the Bulls actually made any effort to get Love? Haven't heard anything about them getting involved.

CLE fans starting to get uppity and entitled again. No offense.

All you other guys should be regretting your tears of joy for LeBron going home soon enough.

I thought I was just asking a question.

 

[mcintyre1]

Have the Bulls actually made any effort to get Love? Haven't heard anything about them getting involved.

CLE fans starting to get uppity and entitled again. No offense.

All you other guys should be regretting your tears of joy for LeBron going home soon enough.

I thought I was just asking a question.

There was never an official/un-official trade offer from the Bulls, but there was definitely interest. Rumors were something like Jimmy Butler/Taj.

 

[got_nugs]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

 

[pollardsvision]

Have the Bulls actually made any effort to get Love? Haven't heard anything about them getting involved.

CLE fans starting to get uppity and entitled again. No offense.

All you other guys should be regretting your tears of joy for LeBron going home soon enough.

I thought I was just asking a question.

Just kidding. I was referring to the "By God the T-Wolves will give us Love on our terms because they have no other option" sort of sentiments.

Odd to see fans of a franchise that's constantly being kicked in the nuts thinking they'll be gifted a Top 15 player because they have all the leverage. That's the sort of thing Laker fans are supposed to expect/demand.

And I haven't heard much news on BOS actually pursuing Love lately, but there were rumors a while back before the GSW stuff started flying around.

 

[MAC_32]

Have the Bulls actually made any effort to get Love? Haven't heard anything about them getting involved.

CLE fans starting to get uppity and entitled again. No offense.All you other guys should be regretting your tears of joy for LeBron going home soon enough.

I thought I was just asking a question.

Just kidding. I was referring to the "By God the T-Wolves will give us Love on our terms because they have no other option" sort of sentiments.Odd to see fans of a franchise that's constantly being kicked in the nuts thinking they'll be gifted a Top 15 player because they have all the leverage. That's the sort of thing Laker fans are supposed to expect/demand.And I haven't heard much news on BOS actually pursuing Love lately, but there were rumors a while back before the GSW stuff started flying around.

they have options, take the deals offered or get nothing when he walks in free agency. I don't know if griffin will blink, but if he I were in his shoes I wouldn't. Don't know who asked that question, but that's who I was responding to. Cavs are better off with Wiggins than Love, obviously this is looking at a much bigger picture than just 2014.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Toronto

 

[Balco]

So the Pistons are making all these small time moves. improvements? Meeks, Augustin? Butler?

Any news on Monroe, possible sign & trade? or will teams not waste their time because detroit will match?

Meeks, Augustin and Butler are all good outside shooters and that's something the Pistons need badly... if they're trying to win more games next season. Why they would want to win more games next season, I'm not sure. SVG apparently doesn't see this team as a complete trainwreck.

The Pistons are trying to convince Monroe to sign a long-term deal, but I get the feeling he's not interested. And yeah, other teams (and Monroe) are shying away from signing an offer sheet because the Pistons will just match. So it's kind of a big stalemate right now.

Monroe to the Suns for Eric Bledsoe. Perfect deal. Move Josh Smith to the 4 where he belongs, and tell him to concentrate on D.

I still like Pistons to knock Hornets out of playoff berth next season.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

Yep. I whole heartedly do not understand why someone would want to watch the team they root for suffer so a player at the end of their career can stack up a few more million.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

Yep. I whole heartedly do not understand why someone would want to watch the team they root for suffer so a player at the end of their career can stack up a few more million.

Clearly.

Ruthlessly not resigning Wade after he opted out, or not signing Kobe after he returned from injury is shortsighted.

 

[Balco]

Kris Humphries got paaaaaaaaid.

Like the signing.

Losing Ariza hurts, but I think Wiz are definite contenders to win the East.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Just kidding. I was referring to the "By God the T-Wolves will give us Love on our terms because they have no other option" sort of sentiments.Odd to see fans of a franchise that's constantly being kicked in the nuts thinking they'll be gifted a Top 15 player because they have all the leverage. That's the sort of thing Laker fans are supposed to expect/demand.

And I haven't heard much news on BOS actually pursuing Love lately, but there were rumors a while back before the GSW stuff started flying around.

Yeah, of course Minn is going to take the best offer and that definitely might not be the Cavs without Wiggins. My disagreement is with the 'Wolves fans who seem to think their going to get Love's actual value as a player. Orlando got a collection of decent stuff for Howard, but they didn't really get what he's worth.

 

[Kev4029]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

Yep. I whole heartedly do not understand why someone would want to watch the team they root for suffer so a player at the end of their career can stack up a few more million.

Clearly.

Ruthlessly not resigning Wade after he opted out, or not signing Kobe after he returned from injury is shortsighted.

The Kobe situation and the Wade situation are completely different. Wade unselfishly took a pay cut to try to help his team win in 2014 and beyond, Kobe maximized his salary in spite of the Lakers chances of putting a team around him.

 

[Kev4029]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 3m
Mike Miller will sign a two-year deal with the Cavs worth $5.5 million and will have a player option after the first year, source told ESPN.

Nuggets were offering him 3 years and $12M. The Nuggets management is hell bent on making the Nuggets a perennial 8th seed.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Have the Bulls actually made any effort to get Love? Haven't heard anything about them getting involved.

CLE fans starting to get uppity and entitled again. No offense.

All you other guys should be regretting your tears of joy for LeBron going home soon enough.

I thought I was just asking a question.

There was never an official/un-official trade offer from the Bulls, but there was definitely interest. Rumors were something like Jimmy Butler/Taj.

Apparently they offered Gibson, Snell and picks 16 and 19 right before the draft. It was turned down by the Wolves, of course.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Nuggets probably should have stressed that pot is legal in Colorado now.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Doug McDermott made 7-of-13 from the field for 20 points with five boards, six assists, two turnovers and four 3-pointers in 26 minutes on Tuesday.
It wasn't 31 points on 12 shots like on Sunday, but it was another impressive game McDermott's range and size has made him almost unstoppable in summer league, but there are just too many obstacles for him to get significant minutes in his rookie season.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

Yep. I whole heartedly do not understand why someone would want to watch the team they root for suffer so a player at the end of their career can stack up a few more million.

Clearly.

Ruthlessly not resigning Wade after he opted out, or not signing Kobe after he returned from injury is shortsighted.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Two different situations.

Wade was apparently a handshake agreement that if Wade opted out, Riles would do right by him in bringing him back and give the team more responsibility. Had he burned Wade, it would've likely had pretty major repercussions around the league and could've really hurt Miami long-term in terms of future free agent situations.

Kobe was coming to the end of his contract. LA really had no sort of obligation to re-sign him. It certainly makes sense as he's worth more to LA than any other team (see: Jeter, Derek), but the Lakers didn't really owe him anything.

They didn't pay him market value, or give him a sweetheart deal as a thank you for doing so much for the franchise. They completely obliterated their cap and any hope of winning with an insane extension that wasn't even in the same neighborhood as his FMV.

And that's kind of what Wade got too, but again, he did Miami a solid by opting out of his player option.

 

[sporthenry]

Waiters not okay with coming off the bench.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Love talks back on! Hop on board CurlyNight!

 

[Abraham]

Waiters not okay with coming off the bench.

ThAts not a very unique way to ask to be traded, but it will do.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Doug McDermott made 7-of-13 from the field for 20 points with five boards, six assists, two turnovers and four 3-pointers in 26 minutes on Tuesday.

It wasn't 31 points on 12 shots like on Sunday, but it was another impressive game McDermott's range and size has made him almost unstoppable in summer league, but there are just too many obstacles for him to get significant minutes in his rookie season.

Again, I don't buy the idea that he can't get minutes. He just has to beat out Dunleavy to be the starter.

 

[Abraham]

That's the first id seen of that. I thought the hope was that he would absolutely get minutes and provide some scoring.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Doug McDermott made 7-of-13 from the field for 20 points with five boards, six assists, two turnovers and four 3-pointers in 26 minutes on Tuesday.

It wasn't 31 points on 12 shots like on Sunday, but it was another impressive game McDermott's range and size has made him almost unstoppable in summer league, but there are just too many obstacles for him to get significant minutes in his rookie season.

Again, I don't buy the idea that he can't get minutes. He just has to beat out Dunleavy to be the starter.

Agreed. I don't think he even has to beat out Dunleavy to see 20+ mins/game.

Guy has been phenomenal in summer league so far & expect him to be a great contributor on the Bulls. Guy has as good a stroke as you'll see.

 

[wadegarrett]

Waiters not okay with coming off the bench.

Don’t be shocked if the Cavs start shopping Waiters around, too.

Start? Dude has been on the block for 2 years.

 

[simmonjm]

Wade couldn't even play 60 games in the regular season last year. Whats going to happen now that the Heat actually need him to contribute? On top of that Deng looks washed up. I would be surprised/shocked if this team finishes with a better record than the Knicks. Any action from Todem or Heat fans?

 

[No. 16]

Doug McDermott made 7-of-13 from the field for 20 points with five boards, six assists, two turnovers and four 3-pointers in 26 minutes on Tuesday.

It wasn't 31 points on 12 shots like on Sunday, but it was another impressive game McDermott's range and size has made him almost unstoppable in summer league, but there are just too many obstacles for him to get significant minutes in his rookie season.

Again, I don't buy the idea that he can't get minutes. He just has to beat out Dunleavy to be the starter.

Agreed. I don't think he even has to beat out Dunleavy to see 20+ mins/game.

Guy has been phenomenal in summer league so far & expect him to be a great contributor on the Bulls. Guy has as good a stroke as you'll see.

I read one report/rumor that the Dubs/TWolves would have completed a Love/Klay deal if Dougie Buckets and Stauskas were available at #11 to trade to the Dubs as part of the package. I know it's just summer league, but those two look like players.

No reason Dougie Buckets shouldn't start or get major playing time in Chicago.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

Yep. I whole heartedly do not understand why someone would want to watch the team they root for suffer so a player at the end of their career can stack up a few more million.

Clearly.

Ruthlessly not resigning Wade after he opted out, or not signing Kobe after he returned from injury is shortsighted.

Wade signing isn't even in the same league as the albatross that Kobe got. Either way, I hope you enjoy watching Kobe limp around the court. Maybe this is the Lakers way of paying him back for that ring he had to buy his wife. Congrats on your love affair?

 

[got_nugs]

I can only agree with you there, he's no longer the best shot blocking, rebounding SG in the history of the game. Would you prefer Miami give him 4/50?

As a fan of an eastern conference team, I would have preferred them to give him as much as possible for as long as possible. If I was a fan of the Heat, I would have wanted them to let him walk (Bosh as well).

Oh yeah? What team do you pull for?

Forgive Cliff, he doesn't understand the love affair that us fans of winners have with our stars who bring home championships.

Yep. I whole heartedly do not understand why someone would want to watch the team they root for suffer so a player at the end of their career can stack up a few more million.

Clearly.

Ruthlessly not resigning Wade after he opted out, or not signing Kobe after he returned from injury is shortsighted.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Two different situations.

Wade was apparently a handshake agreement that if Wade opted out, Riles would do right by him in bringing him back and give the team more responsibility. Had he burned Wade, it would've likely had pretty major repercussions around the league and could've really hurt Miami long-term in terms of future free agent situations.

Kobe was coming to the end of his contract. LA really had no sort of obligation to re-sign him. It certainly makes sense as he's worth more to LA than any other team (see: Jeter, Derek), but the Lakers didn't really owe him anything.

They didn't pay him market value, or give him a sweetheart deal as a thank you for doing so much for the franchise. They completely obliterated their cap and any hope of winning with an insane extension that wasn't even in the same neighborhood as his FMV.

And that's kind of what Wade got too, but again, he did Miami a solid by opting out of his player option.

DAMMMMIT JUDGE! I've been outside working on pressure washing the damn driveway for the better part of 3 hours, much of which inside my mind trying to figure out the best way to destroy the evil Clavin....and just when I have him boxed in you come in and BLURT OUT THE PUNCHLINE!

I don't think the Bosh deal is as bad as most, in a few years most familiar with the TV deal say that it will have a significant impact on player salaries in 2016 or 17, where the Heat will still have Bosh tied up for 2 or 3 years. If you think Bosh's game will age well, as the Heat do, it's not going to negatively impact them as bad as it would if the cap was stable. But yeah, absolutely no way is it good business to tell your players Bosh, Wade, UD to opt out to help the franchise and then "let them walk". Doing that to Wade? Might as well light the AAA on fire, you're not getting any fans to go your games. Also take into consideration the other franchise that is in this town which has pulled a Cliff multiple times, including trading away the latino Babe Ruth. They're playing for the 2016 free agency while still putting a watchable team on the court. I don't see the downside to any of their moves unless you think they could come out of the East.

 

[pollardsvision]

Wade couldn't even play 60 games in the regular season last year. Whats going to happen now that the Heat actually need him to contribute? On top of that Deng looks washed up. I would be surprised/shocked if this team finishes with a better record than the Knicks. Any action from Todem or Heat fans?

I have a feeling we'll see a bounce back year from Wade.

It's one thing coming off 3 straight years of walking through the East and going to the Finals as 2nd/3rd wheel. It's a completely different matter to be completely written off, shunned by your buddy, and needing to carry the load again while battling for a Playoff spot.

We also don't know that he couldn't play 60 games. We just know that's they all agreed was best for the team.

Maybe his body can't do it or maybe he's happy to mail it cashing checks in SB. But this is one of the 4 or 5 best SG's in NBA history, he's not that old, and I assume he has an ounce or two of pride.

He's overpaid, but writing him off is probably foolish.

 

[metoo]

OK, hypothetical question:

You're the GM of the Cavs as they're presently constituted. Congratulations! Kevin Love's agent has indicated that, if traded for, he'd sign a maximum extension. Minny is, of course, playing hardball.

How much would you give up to get him? Or do you pass and try for someone else next offseason?

Anything involving LeBron, Kyrie, or Wiggins is off the table. Pick 2 (maybe 3) from the rest then add future one's. I don't remember how many the Cavs have, I think they have all of their's plus two others, so if that's the case then I'd be willing to part with as many as 3.

I think this is how I'd handle it too.

Flip this around as if you are the GM of the TWolves. If you are dealing with the Cavs a deal with Waiters and Thompson with 3 1's (Cavs picks likely to be late 1st) that doesn't look very attractive when you are giving up a superstar. I would only accept Wiggins + picks or if dealing with the Warriors it would be Klay + players/picks. I wouldn't even consider anything else from those 2 teams.

Going by this, Love will be a free agent.

 

[Premier]

There is something very rich about Gunz in here ragging on other contracts as Kobe's contract drags his team into the gutter.

 

[Abraham]

They were already in the gutter. The contract just keeps then there.