*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[Baloney Sandwich]

Celtics have Keith Bogans 5.3 million non guaranteed deal

why would the Celtics want to facilitate a deal that sends Love to Cleveland?

Because they feel that whatever it is they're getting in return improves their team. And maybe because they don't feel like Love to Cleveland is the death knell for all other teams' chances that so many fans seem to think.

The Celtics are interested in trading for Love, not helping another team get him.

 

[Kev4029]

Cleveland's searching league for non-guaranteed contracts that potentially could be included in a bigger deal later, sources tell Yahoo.

Interesting, since if my math is right Wiggins, Bennett, and Haywood would be enough to get love, salary-wise. Maybe they're looking at taking something else back, whether it's Kevin Martin or Dieng or something else.

Or, you know, not give up Wiggins.

Die

Remember that time you guys passed on Steph Curry? Twice? For guys at the same position? And then drafted another guy at that position later? That was pretty awesome.

That third PG was taken for another team, thank you very much.

And the 4th PG too.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Noah, Love, and Gasol all on the court at the same time?

ETA - it would be funny if they traded Gasol after he took a discount to sign with the Bulls

They couldn't play those guys together, but Healthy Rose and Noah would be two perfect teammates to pair with Love.

I really doubt this happens, but I think Gasol would work out wonderfully with those two in a three man rotation. (Offensively, at least.) Gasol is at an age that his minutes should be monitored and it's not like Noah and Love have an injury-free pasts.

 

[Abraham]

Noah, Love, and Gasol all on the court at the same time?

ETA - it would be funny if they traded Gasol after he took a discount to sign with the Bulls

They couldn't play those guys together, but Healthy Rose and Noah would be two perfect teammates to pair with Love.

There are 96 minutes/game available down low. Gasol averaged 31 last year. Noah averaged 35 last year. Love averaged 36. Those numbers for Noah and Love are above their career averrages even. That would be a total of 102 minutes so it's not that far off, particularly since love will sprain his ###### and miss some time.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

@Royce Young: Coach K: "Not one second of hesitancy, I'd trade (Wiggins) for Kevin Love" cbsprt.co/1p2m2M3

 

[sporthenry]

It's hard to argue that lack of exposure hurt Exum's draft stock. Or Enes Kanter's.

Fair enough. I was thinking more exposure in terms of brand. Certainly playing in college gives you more exposure to NBA scouts but they are now all over the place. But I'm sure Wiggins endorsement deal dwarfs Exum which was my point about that.

But the thing with Exum and Kanter is they took a year off. In the NBA, potential is worth a ton. Jennings might have actually been better served just taking the year off or dropping 35 a game in the D-league b/c they wouldn't have found as many holes in his game as they did in Italy.

 

[thecatch]

Noah, Love, and Gasol all on the court at the same time?

ETA - it would be funny if they traded Gasol after he took a discount to sign with the Bulls

They couldn't play those guys together, but Healthy Rose and Noah would be two perfect teammates to pair with Love.

There are 96 minutes/game available down low. Gasol averaged 31 last year. Noah averaged 35 last year. Love averaged 36. Those numbers for Noah and Love are above their career averrages even. That would be a total of 102 minutes so it's not that far off, particularly since love will sprain his ###### and miss some time.

I really wanted Pau to sign with Memphis for most of these reasons. Plus having both brothers playing together would would have been fun.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA 17m

Bulls making push for Kevin Love, Cavs still in lead (via @ESPNSteinLine & @WindhorstESPN).

Taj and what? Am I missing all the other intriguing trade pieces on that roster?

Taj, Butler, Mirotic and McDermott

I think I'd make that deal if I'm Chicago and Love signs an extension, but who in God's name is going to man the 2-3 spots if they trade Butler & McDermott? They'd basically have Aaron Brooks, Kirk Hinrich, Tony Snell, and Mike Dunleavy as the top 4 guys to play those spots, and I don't even know if Brooks could play the 2. Isn't he like 5' 11"?

They'd have a Big 3, but virtually nothing else. Technically, they'd have a "Big 4" if you include Gasol, but only 3 of those 4 could really play at the same time at any given time. Unless they wanted to play Love at the 3, which seems, shall we say, unlikely.

ETA : I don't think the Bulls will give up that much for Love unless they're panicking over the prospect of Cleveland getting him. I imagine Butler going is likely, though, since I don't know how they're going to pay him after his rookie deal expires after this season without clearing out someone else.

 

[thecatch]

It's hard to argue that lack of exposure hurt Exum's draft stock. Or Enes Kanter's.

Fair enough. I was thinking more exposure in terms of brand. Certainly playing in college gives you more exposure to NBA scouts but they are now all over the place. But I'm sure Wiggins endorsement deal dwarfs Exum which was my point about that. But the thing with Exum and Kanter is they took a year off. In the NBA, potential is worth a ton. Jennings might have actually been better served just taking the year off or dropping 35 a game in the D-league b/c they wouldn't have found as many holes in his game as they did in Italy.

They also might have found even more holes in his game if he went to college or the D League. Hard to make any definitive observations about a guy riding the bench in Europe.

 

[Juxtatarot]

NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA 17m

Bulls making push for Kevin Love, Cavs still in lead (via @ESPNSteinLine & @WindhorstESPN).

Taj and what? Am I missing all the other intriguing trade pieces on that roster?

Taj, Butler, Mirotic and McDermott

I think I'd make that deal if I'm Chicago and Love signs an extension, but who in God's name is going to man the 2-3 spots if they trade Butler & McDermott? They'd basically have Aaron Brooks, Kirk Hinrich, Tony Snell, and Mike Dunleavy as the top 4 guys to play those spots, and I don't even know if Brooks could play the 2. Isn't he like 5' 11"?

They'd have a Big 3, but virtually nothing else. Technically, they'd have a "Big 4" if you include Gasol, but only 3 of those 4 could really play at the same time at any given time. Unless they wanted to play Love at the 3, which seems, shall we say, unlikely.

ETA : I don't think the Bulls will give up that much for Love unless they're panicking over the prospect of Cleveland getting him. I imagine Butler going is likely, though, since I don't know how they're going to pay him after his rookie deal expires after this season without clearing out someone else.

I wonder how good of a defense Thibodeau could manage without Taj and Butler. Poor Joakim would have his work cut out for him.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

SING IT, ADRIAN:

The Cleveland Cavaliers are pursuing trade components to include as part of a package with Minnesota to acquire All-Star forward Kevin Love, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Cleveland's discussions with Minnesota have escalated with the Cavaliers' willingness to include No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins in the deal, sources said. Without Wiggins, there's no other combination of Cleveland players and picks that would interest Minnesota. Once Wiggins signs his rookie contract, a trade involving him can't be formally completed for 30 days.

The Cavaliers are working to obtain non-guaranteed contracts that could be a part of a package for Love, allowing the Cavaliers to deliver players that could be released immediately upon completion of a deal, sources said. This would give Minnesota salary-cap relief as part of a trade.

The Denver Nuggets have remained a strong contender for Love, offering a package that sources said has been the most appealing to Minnesota outside of the Cavaliers and a possible Golden State deal including Klay Thompson. So far, the Warriors have kept Thompson out of their offer to Minnesota.

Minnesota wants a package for Love to include guard J.J. Barea, who has $4.5 million left on his expiring deal – and possibly guard Kevin Martin, who has three years and $21 million left. As part of a larger deal, the Cavaliers want to include 2013 No. 1 overall pick Anthony Bennett and a future No. 1 pick for Love.

The Cavaliers have been offering future first-round picks for an experienced center, league sources said.

Love has demanded a trade before the start of next season, threatening to opt-out of his contract in July 2015 to sign elsewhere as a free agent.

 

[Bobcat10]

So the Cavs are looking for contracts to send to Minny so that they can assume Martin and/or Barea in the trade? Makes sense...I just wish they'd keep Bennett somehow or make the 1st the Cle 1st. Minny will not walk away from the table if Wiggins is on it.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

So the Cavs are looking for contracts to send to Minny so that they can assume Martin and/or Barea in the trade? Makes sense...I just wish they'd keep Bennett somehow or make the 1st the Cle 1st. Minny will not walk away from the table if Wiggins is on it.

I think it probably has to be Thompson or Bennett $$-wise and Cleveland I assume would rather keep Thompson.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO 7m

One source familiar with Cavs-TWolves talks described them this way: "It's getting real."

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO 2m

TWolves G Kevin Martin and C/F Gorgui Dieng are other names that have come up in talks with Cavs about Kevin Love, sources say.

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO 9m

Cavs have talked a lot with TWolves over past 36 hours, sources say. Not surprisingly, Andrew Wiggins said to be at center of discussion.

 

[Abraham]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

 

[Juxtatarot]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

That's stupid. Take Wiggins out and the Cavs can't make a serious offer (assuming LeBron and Kyrie stay, of course).

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

 

[Sammy3469]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

Pretty sure Abe's still shellshocked.

 

[sporthenry]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

That's stupid. Take Wiggins out and the Cavs can't make a serious offer (assuming LeBron and Kyrie stay, of course).

About as serious as that Bulls offer.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

Pretty sure Abe's still shellshocked.

Due to his 2-80 whatifsports NBA team?

 

[Abraham]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

I'm paying him a compliment.

 

[Sammy3469]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

Pretty sure Abe's still shellshocked.

Due to his 2-80 whatifsports NBA team?

From his GM blowing the past month

 

[Bobcat10]

Flip is GM of the year if he gets Wiggins PLUS some other stuff for Love.

I'm paying him a compliment.

Unfortunately, Wiggins for Love does not compute. He's getting lucky, really.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

LOCKED AND LOADED

In signing Nick Young and Ryan Kelly on Monday, the Lakers climbed over the NBA's $63.1-million salary cap.

Young is back on a four-year, $21.3-million contract with a player option on the final season.

Kelly received a two-year contract for $3.4 million. The Lakers can once again make him a restricted free agent in 2016.

The Lakers used $1.65 million of their $2.73 million "room exception" on Kelly, leaving $1.08 million still available to spend in free agency -- although that amount remaining is actually less than a minimum salary for a veteran with at least six years of experience.

The organization currently has $55.4 million in official salaries for eight players (Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Jeremy Lin, Carlos Boozer, Julius Randle, Robert Sacre, Young and Kelly). The Lakers have also agreed to re-sign Jordan Hill to a two-year, $18-million contract (second season team option) along with forwards Ed Davis, Wesley Johnson and Xavier Henry, each at a minimum salary.

Even unsigned, Hill takes up $6.8 million in salary cap space.

Second-round pick (46th overall) Jordan Clarkson, who has yet to sign, will increase the roster to 13 players. The Lakers can carry 15 players to the regular season, although a maximum of 20 can be taken to training camp.

While over the cap, the team can still sign players on minimum contracts.

Barring a trade, the Lakers are unlikely to hit $70 million in total salary, well below the NBA's punitive luxury tax line at $76.8 million.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-young-kelly-lakers-over-salary-cap-20140722-story.html

 

[Juxtatarot]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

That's stupid. Take Wiggins out and the Cavs can't make a serious offer (assuming LeBron and Kyrie stay, of course).

About as serious as that Bulls offer.

Bulls offer would have other parts -- namely Mirotic and/or McDermott. Honestly, how could anyone seriously compare what the Bulls could offer with a Wiggins-less Cavs offer?

Regardless, though, Wolves would be best served by getting Wiggins.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Saw a mention on twitter that McDermott is older that Tobias Harris. Part of my brain broke.

 

[TobiasFunke]

LOCKED AND LOADED

In signing Nick Young and Ryan Kelly on Monday, the Lakers climbed over the NBA's $63.1-million salary cap.

Young is back on a four-year, $21.3-million contract with a player option on the final season.

Kelly received a two-year contract for $3.4 million. The Lakers can once again make him a restricted free agent in 2016.

The Lakers used $1.65 million of their $2.73 million "room exception" on Kelly, leaving $1.08 million still available to spend in free agency -- although that amount remaining is actually less than a minimum salary for a veteran with at least six years of experience.

The organization currently has $55.4 million in official salaries for eight players (Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Jeremy Lin, Carlos Boozer, Julius Randle, Robert Sacre, Young and Kelly). The Lakers have also agreed to re-sign Jordan Hill to a two-year, $18-million contract (second season team option) along with forwards Ed Davis, Wesley Johnson and Xavier Henry, each at a minimum salary.

Even unsigned, Hill takes up $6.8 million in salary cap space.

Second-round pick (46th overall) Jordan Clarkson, who has yet to sign, will increase the roster to 13 players. The Lakers can carry 15 players to the regular season, although a maximum of 20 can be taken to training camp.

While over the cap, the team can still sign players on minimum contracts.

Barring a trade, the Lakers are unlikely to hit $70 million in total salary, well below the NBA's punitive luxury tax line at $76.8 million.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-young-kelly-lakers-over-salary-cap-20140722-story.html

Fun

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

LOCKED AND LOADED

Fun

 

[sporthenry]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

That's stupid. Take Wiggins out and the Cavs can't make a serious offer (assuming LeBron and Kyrie stay, of course).

About as serious as that Bulls offer.

Bulls offer would have other parts -- namely Mirotic and/or McDermott. Honestly, how could anyone seriously compare what the Bulls could offer with a Wiggins-less Cavs offer?

Regardless, though, Wolves would be best served by getting Wiggins.

You'd probably have to include both to say it doesn't compare. Butler, Gibson, McDermott/Mirotic is that much better than Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, and some #1s? Thompson/Waiters are the same age as Mirotic/McDermott respectively.

 

[Sammy3469]

Gibson and Butler are Chicagoese for Asik and Lin, right?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

That's stupid. Take Wiggins out and the Cavs can't make a serious offer (assuming LeBron and Kyrie stay, of course).

About as serious as that Bulls offer.

Bulls offer would have other parts -- namely Mirotic and/or McDermott. Honestly, how could anyone seriously compare what the Bulls could offer with a Wiggins-less Cavs offer?

Regardless, though, Wolves would be best served by getting Wiggins.

You'd probably have to include both to say it doesn't compare. Butler, Gibson, McDermott/Mirotic is that much better than Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, and some #1s? Thompson/Waiters are the same age as Mirotic/McDermott respectively.

Rank the trade value around the league of those 7 players. Bennett is clearly 7th. Waiters, although talented, has lost significant value due to the attitude problems he had with his team. Thompson has underperformed too.

For the Bulls players, Mirotic is valued the highest of the 7. Multiple teams offered the Bulls top 10 picks for him the last few years, and now he's signed. Gibson and Butler are the best of the 7 currently although they are closest to their ceiling.

 

[Village Idiot]

www.prosportsdaily.com/nba/nuggets/
' the denver nuggets have agreed in principle to join a three-way transaction involving minnesota and cleveland. Cleveland would get Kevin Love with agreements for a two year deal extension. Denver will get Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett kevin martin and #1 cavs pick. Minnesota obtains Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler along with # 1 pick

Whoever is the GM in Denver should be flogged if this ever happened.

 

[No. 16]

www.prosportsdaily.com/nba/nuggets/

' the denver nuggets have agreed in principle to join a three-way transaction involving minnesota and cleveland. Cleveland would get Kevin Love with agreements for a two year deal extension. Denver will get Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett kevin martin and #1 cavs pick. Minnesota obtains Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler along with # 1 pick

Whoever is the GM in Denver should be flogged if this ever happened.

No Wiggins? Haha. Flip is terrible. I feel sorry for Tre and Frosty.

 

[simmonjm]

www.prosportsdaily.com/nba/nuggets/

' the denver nuggets have agreed in principle to join a three-way transaction involving minnesota and cleveland. Cleveland would get Kevin Love with agreements for a two year deal extension. Denver will get Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett kevin martin and #1 cavs pick. Minnesota obtains Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler along with # 1 pick

Whoever is the GM in Denver should be flogged if this ever happened.

No Wiggins? Haha. Flip is terrible. I feel sorry for Tre and Frosty.

I don't think he was ever going to get Wiggins. Getting rid of Martin and acquiring the players they did along with a #1 pick is not a bad haul for a player who everyone knows is going to leave at the end of the year.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

No way that's the deal.

Edit: I'd rather have the Denver end of that.

Edit edit: Don't see anything at that url

Edit edit edit: Yeah, I'm panicking

 

[GOB]

I'm not privy to Minnesota's path to success out of all this but I have a hard time thinking it's Gibson and Jimmy Butler.

Those are complimentary pieces. I'm an idiot but I would rather take Bennett and Waiters.

Wiggins should still be the goal. Hell I would take Harrison Barnes over Gibson and Butler.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Joe Cowley @suntimes_hoops 1 minute ago

All the "Bulls are back in the Love sweepstakes'' is coming from the Minnesota side. Don't believe the hype.

 

[Frostillicus]

No way that's the deal.

Edit: I'd rather have the Denver end of that.

Edit edit: Don't see anything at that url

Edit edit edit: Yeah, I'm panicking

Seems fake. And mean.

 

[Short Corner]

IF the Cavs are going to trade Wiggins, doesn't it make more sense to sign him now, wait the 30 days, then trade him so his $5.5 million or whatever counts towards the salary they have to send back to match Love? Love makes $15.7 million. To get to that with Wiggins counting as $0 and without including Varejao they'd have to send Thompson, Bennett, and Waiters. After Wiggins signs they could do it with Wiggins, Bennett, and Haywood.

CLE is under the cap so salaries don't have to match, however, adding Love can't put them over.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Adding Love will take away some of the feel goodness to me of going to the Cavs. I prefer to see Lebron and the young guys learn and go to work together.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft 18m

The Bulls offer gives credence to Cavs fans position of not trading Wiggins.

Dale Cary ‏@Dcary31 2m

@EventHorizon88 @Probballdraft Butler can't even shoot 40% from the field and Taj is 29 years old. No way the T-Wolves are droolin over that

That's stupid. Take Wiggins out and the Cavs can't make a serious offer (assuming LeBron and Kyrie stay, of course).

About as serious as that Bulls offer.

Bulls offer would have other parts -- namely Mirotic and/or McDermott. Honestly, how could anyone seriously compare what the Bulls could offer with a Wiggins-less Cavs offer?

Regardless, though, Wolves would be best served by getting Wiggins.

You'd probably have to include both to say it doesn't compare. Butler, Gibson, McDermott/Mirotic is that much better than Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, and some #1s? Thompson/Waiters are the same age as Mirotic/McDermott respectively.

Rank the trade value around the league of those 7 players. Bennett is clearly 7th. Waiters, although talented, has lost significant value due to the attitude problems he had with his team. Thompson has underperformed too.

For the Bulls players, Mirotic is valued the highest of the 7. Multiple teams offered the Bulls top 10 picks for him the last few years, and now he's signed. Gibson and Butler are the best of the 7 currently although they are closest to their ceiling.

THompson has underperformed compared to what? He's a top 20 rebounder in the league. Averages 12 and 9. He's certainly limited in areas but he's also what 22 years old? Teams like potential, and Waiters and especially Bennett have it in spades.

 

[Kev4029]

www.prosportsdaily.com/nba/nuggets/

' the denver nuggets have agreed in principle to join a three-way transaction involving minnesota and cleveland. Cleveland would get Kevin Love with agreements for a two year deal extension. Denver will get Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett kevin martin and #1 cavs pick. Minnesota obtains Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler along with # 1 pick

Whoever is the GM in Denver should be flogged if this ever happened.

The Nuggets have been trying to dump Faried for a year. Strange trade for both Minnesota and Denver.

 

[Spartans Rule]

www.prosportsdaily.com/nba/nuggets/' the denver nuggets have agreed in principle to join a three-way transaction involving minnesota and cleveland. Cleveland would get Kevin Love with agreements for a two year deal extension. Denver will get Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett kevin martin and #1 cavs pick. Minnesota obtains Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler along with # 1 pick

Whoever is the GM in Denver should be flogged if this ever happened.

Denver is already overcrowded at SG with Afflalo, Harris and Foye. Then they're going to take on two more SGs, one known to complain about PT and one with a bad contract?

Not buying it. It makes too little sense for Denver. Someone trying to create a way for Cleveland to have Wiggins and Love made it up.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Love, Noah and Gasol all playing together?

 

[Premier]

Minnesota obtains Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler along with # 1 pick

 

[Slapdash]

Not sure if this was posted in all the trade noise, but another class move from Silver: http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/22/isaiah-austin-nba-adam-silver-job-degree/

 

[Juxtatarot]

Cavs just traded a 2nd rounder and a million bucks to Utah for 3 non-guaranteed contracts. Either this is getting close or the Cavs are taking a page from Houston's GMing manual.