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[The General]

Are you sitting down?

Bulls' Derrick Rose out for remainder of game with hamstring tightness.

Just saw that on the crawl. Amazing. Hopefully he doesn't use the "I want to be healthy for my son's graduation" line again.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Are you sitting down?

Bulls' Derrick Rose out for remainder of game with hamstring tightness.

Just saw that on the crawl. Amazing. Hopefully he doesn't use the "I want to be healthy for my son's graduation" line again.

Actually, from post game interviews, he wasn't hurt. Thibs didn't like his lack of intensity (my take) and they agreed he wouldn't come out in the second half. I'm sure we'll hear a lot more on this in coming days.

 

[Daywalker]

With Tim Duncan, KG, and LBJ in their primes during Kobe's career I find it hard to pick a season where he was no doubt the best player on earth.

Nash's second mvp season, iirc, is the one Kobe should have won.

Going through Kobe's entire career to see if he was every the "best player on the planet" is something I think we've done in this thread. If not, I did it with some friends.

iirc, There's a 1-2 year period where you might be able to say he was better than Duncan and LeBron wasn't better yet. It's arguable. I would disagree, but it's arguable.

There's a fairly strong argument to be made that Kobe has never been the best player on the planet.

I'd put Duncan ahead of Kobe. Close but easy. Lebron? He has work to do. If Lebron never "leads" a team to another title he will not be ranked ahead of Kobe. I think Lebron will add a few more titles though and surprass Kobe.

But if he doesn't. Kobe winning two titles with Gasol/Bynum more impressive then anything Lebron has ever done. Then you just add those other 3 titles Kobe won.

Another thing if we are talking scrimmages in Dream Team I. I'll take prime Kobe over Lebron in that game.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Thibs keeps Jimmy Butler on the floor for forty minutes: in an already decided game, in the thin of air of Denver, in the second game of a back-to-back, after he had played forty-four minutes the night before.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

With Tim Duncan, KG, and LBJ in their primes during Kobe's career I find it hard to pick a season where he was no doubt the best player on earth.

Nash's second mvp season, iirc, is the one Kobe should have won.

Going through Kobe's entire career to see if he was every the "best player on the planet" is something I think we've done in this thread. If not, I did it with some friends.

iirc, There's a 1-2 year period where you might be able to say he was better than Duncan and LeBron wasn't better yet. It's arguable. I would disagree, but it's arguable.

There's a fairly strong argument to be made that Kobe has never been the best player on the planet.

I'd put Duncan ahead of Kobe. Close but easy. Lebron? He has work to do. If Lebron never "leads" a team to another title he will not be ranked ahead of Kobe. I think Lebron will add a few more titles though and surprass Kobe.

But if he doesn't. Kobe winning two titles with Gasol/Bynum more impressive then anything Lebron has ever done. Then you just add those other 3 titles Kobe won.

Another thing if we are talking scrimmages in Dream Team I. I'll take prime Kobe over Lebron in that game.

Lebron carrying that CLE team from The Island of Misfit Toys is more impressive than anything Kobe has done. If LeBron teams with a prime Shaq, they win more than 3 together.

 

[Kev4029]

Don't look now but the Nuggets have won five in a row and six of seven. I haven't had the opportunity to watch much, but I guess Shaw has settled on a rotation and has quit trying to run so many plays.

 

[No. 16]

Are you sitting down?

Bulls' Derrick Rose out for remainder of game with hamstring tightness.

Just saw that on the crawl. Amazing. Hopefully he doesn't use the "I want to be healthy for my son's graduation" line again.

Actually, from post game interviews, he wasn't hurt. Thibs didn't like his lack of intensity (my take) and they agreed he wouldn't come out in the second half. I'm sure we'll hear a lot more on this in coming days.

I used to like Rose, but he's trending in the Dwight Howard direction now. I still love watching the Bulls because of their big men and Butler....but Rose is starting to sound like a diva.

 

[Village Idiot]

Don't look now but the Nuggets have won five in a row and six of seven. I haven't had the opportunity to watch much, but I guess Shaw has settled on a rotation and has quit trying to run so many plays.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo.Shaw go back to screwing things up so the Nugs will decide to blow up part of the roster at the trade deadline.

 

[No. 16]

Thibs keeps Jimmy Butler on the floor for forty minutes: in an already decided game, in the thin of air of Denver, in the second game of a back-to-back, after he had played forty-four minutes the night before.

Yah it's pretty stupid. Even if you don't believe in rationing minutes to minimize fatigue, you have to do it just to avoid injury.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thibs keeps Jimmy Butler on the floor for forty minutes: in an already decided game, in the thin of air of Denver, in the second game of a back-to-back, after he had played forty-four minutes the night before.

Yah it's pretty stupid. Even if you don't believe in rationing minutes to minimize fatigue, you have to do it just to avoid injury.

Has the worm turned on Thibs? The guy is obviously an excellent coach on the defensive end and a good motivator, but if Chicago doesn't at least get to say Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals this year, fans might start calling for his head. And unlike other coaches he can't rely on the injury excuse, because the perception (fair or not) is that his regular season rotation contributes to injuries.

 

[No. 16]

Thibs keeps Jimmy Butler on the floor for forty minutes: in an already decided game, in the thin of air of Denver, in the second game of a back-to-back, after he had played forty-four minutes the night before.

Yah it's pretty stupid. Even if you don't believe in rationing minutes to minimize fatigue, you have to do it just to avoid injury.

Has the worm turned on Thibs? The guy is obviously an excellent coach on the defensive end and a good motivator, but if Chicago doesn't at least get to say Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals this year, fans might start calling for his head. And unlike other coaches he can't rely on the injury excuse, because the perception (fair or not) is that his regular season rotation contributes to injuries.

I'd still keep him around and see if he can change his ways. He seems like a reasonable guy. With all the technology now I'm pretty sure it's easy to collect enough data to convince the guy to manage minutes better.

Outside of Pop and Carlisle there's very few who are clear cut better than Thibs.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thibs keeps Jimmy Butler on the floor for forty minutes: in an already decided game, in the thin of air of Denver, in the second game of a back-to-back, after he had played forty-four minutes the night before.

Yah it's pretty stupid. Even if you don't believe in rationing minutes to minimize fatigue, you have to do it just to avoid injury.

Has the worm turned on Thibs? The guy is obviously an excellent coach on the defensive end and a good motivator, but if Chicago doesn't at least get to say Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals this year, fans might start calling for his head. And unlike other coaches he can't rely on the injury excuse, because the perception (fair or not) is that his regular season rotation contributes to injuries.

I'd still keep him around and see if he can change his ways. He seems like a reasonable guy. With all the technology now I'm pretty sure it's easy to collect enough data to convince the guy to manage minutes better.

Outside of Pop and Carlisle there's very few who are clear cut better than Thibs.

Yeah that's what I'd do too. Just curious what the vibe is with Bulls fans.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Thibs keeps Jimmy Butler on the floor for forty minutes: in an already decided game, in the thin of air of Denver, in the second game of a back-to-back, after he had played forty-four minutes the night before.

Yah it's pretty stupid. Even if you don't believe in rationing minutes to minimize fatigue, you have to do it just to avoid injury.

Has the worm turned on Thibs? The guy is obviously an excellent coach on the defensive end and a good motivator, but if Chicago doesn't at least get to say Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals this year, fans might start calling for his head. And unlike other coaches he can't rely on the injury excuse, because the perception (fair or not) is that his regular season rotation contributes to injuries.

Certain guys are already on minute restrictions from the front office and medical people: Rose, Noah and Hinrich. If the front office is concerned about Butler's minutes, they could do something about it. Gasol's too although Thibs seems to be more careful with him. Thibs has never believed that high minutes hurt healthy, extremely fit players. Personally I don't think this can be proven one way or the other.

By and large, the fans still support Thibs. Besides injuries, the biggest concern about the Bulls this year is their defense has been bad. In past years, though, it has been common for the defense to improve during the season as new players learn their responsibilities. So there is some hope.

 

[Instinctive]

With Tim Duncan, KG, and LBJ in their primes during Kobe's career I find it hard to pick a season where he was no doubt the best player on earth.

Nash's second mvp season, iirc, is the one Kobe should have won.

Going through Kobe's entire career to see if he was every the "best player on the planet" is something I think we've done in this thread. If not, I did it with some friends.

iirc, There's a 1-2 year period where you might be able to say he was better than Duncan and LeBron wasn't better yet. It's arguable. I would disagree, but it's arguable.

There's a fairly strong argument to be made that Kobe has never been the best player on the planet.

I'd put Duncan ahead of Kobe. Close but easy. Lebron? He has work to do. If Lebron never "leads" a team to another title he will not be ranked ahead of Kobe. I think Lebron will add a few more titles though and surprass Kobe.

But if he doesn't. Kobe winning two titles with Gasol/Bynum more impressive then anything Lebron has ever done. Then you just add those other 3 titles Kobe won.

Another thing if we are talking scrimmages in Dream Team I. I'll take prime Kobe over Lebron in that game.

You didn't understand the premise.

Not "best career." Actually the best player on the planet at the time. Your entire post is unrelated to that.

ETA: Like, if you got to draft all the players in the NBA, who would be picked first?

 

[SWC]

hey brohans i hate kobe and think he should be in jail for rape just sayin bromigos so bam on that one take that to the bank

 

[saintfool]

With Tim Duncan, KG, and LBJ in their primes during Kobe's career I find it hard to pick a season where he was no doubt the best player on earth.

Nash's second mvp season, iirc, is the one Kobe should have won.

Going through Kobe's entire career to see if he was every the "best player on the planet" is something I think we've done in this thread. If not, I did it with some friends.

iirc, There's a 1-2 year period where you might be able to say he was better than Duncan and LeBron wasn't better yet. It's arguable. I would disagree, but it's arguable.

There's a fairly strong argument to be made that Kobe has never been the best player on the planet.

I'd put Duncan ahead of Kobe. Close but easy. Lebron? He has work to do. If Lebron never "leads" a team to another title he will not be ranked ahead of Kobe. I think Lebron will add a few more titles though and surprass Kobe.

But if he doesn't. Kobe winning two titles with Gasol/Bynum more impressive then anything Lebron has ever done. Then you just add those other 3 titles Kobe won.

Another thing if we are talking scrimmages in Dream Team I. I'll take prime Kobe over Lebron in that game.

You didn't understand the premise.

Not "best career." Actually the best player on the planet at the time. Your entire post is unrelated to that.

ETA: Like, if you got to draft all the players in the NBA, who would be picked first?

Without question it would be Timmy, especially given the paucity of true talent of the position(s). Timmy at his best was better than Kobe for sure and you can find the numbers to make the case.

 

[Instinctive]

With Tim Duncan, KG, and LBJ in their primes during Kobe's career I find it hard to pick a season where he was no doubt the best player on earth.

Nash's second mvp season, iirc, is the one Kobe should have won.

Going through Kobe's entire career to see if he was every the "best player on the planet" is something I think we've done in this thread. If not, I did it with some friends.

iirc, There's a 1-2 year period where you might be able to say he was better than Duncan and LeBron wasn't better yet. It's arguable. I would disagree, but it's arguable.

There's a fairly strong argument to be made that Kobe has never been the best player on the planet.

I'd put Duncan ahead of Kobe. Close but easy. Lebron? He has work to do. If Lebron never "leads" a team to another title he will not be ranked ahead of Kobe. I think Lebron will add a few more titles though and surprass Kobe.

But if he doesn't. Kobe winning two titles with Gasol/Bynum more impressive then anything Lebron has ever done. Then you just add those other 3 titles Kobe won.

Another thing if we are talking scrimmages in Dream Team I. I'll take prime Kobe over Lebron in that game.

You didn't understand the premise.

Not "best career." Actually the best player on the planet at the time. Your entire post is unrelated to that.

ETA: Like, if you got to draft all the players in the NBA, who would be picked first?

Without question it would be Timmy, especially given the paucity of true talent of the position(s). Timmy at his best was better than Kobe for sure and you can find the numbers to make the case.

Right up until around 2004-05 it's not really a question that you'd take Duncan. Then there's a bit of an argument to be made, though I'd still take Duncan. Then the answer pretty clearly becomes LeBron.

Now it's probably LeBron, but OMG Anthony Davis.

 

[Soulfly3]

Raps season tickets as of last season was one of my better investments.

Loving it right now.

Watching VC cry was such a bag of mixed emotions... deep down, I know he regrets leaving

 

[sports_fan]

What does everyone think of David Blatt so far? How much of the blame does he deserve for the Cavs slow start?

 

[Synthesizer]

Do the Clippers ever stop complaining or are they like this every game?

 

[Raider Nation]

0-15

 

[modogg]

0-15

Woah Mr. Raiders fan, woah...........

 

[Raider Nation]

0-15

Woah Mr. Raiders fan, woah...........

C'mon mo... tell me you don't want to see 0-82!

 

[AAABatteries]

0-15

Woah Mr. Raiders fan, woah...........

C'mon mo... tell me you don't want to see 0-82!

Would be the greatest thing ever.

 

[modogg]

0-15

Woah Mr. Raiders fan, woah...........

C'mon mo... tell me you don't want to see 0-82!

not when i bet them over 15 wins. Friggin 15 wins man. To be honest, something will need to occur at some point. it isn't like the team is a failing franchise, it is in the middle of a plan. but you can't kill your future players like this for 2 years. At least i can say they should have some credibility next year

 

[Soulfly3]

Dem Raps

Wow

 

[Abraham]

Nice win by Houston. Boogie is a beast.

 

[Raider Nation]

Stu Lantz sounds so defeated.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Weren't the talking heads saying that the Pistons would be better this year? Yeah, that's not right.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Wow, are the Lakers absolutely atrocious on defense. Slow reacting, and bad angles. It was comical to watch Gasol clear a board and then take it coast-to-coast right down the center of the court.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Think I'll just let the title stick around for a bit.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Do the Clippers ever stop complaining or are they like this every game?

Pretty much.

 

[[icon]]

Think I'll just let the title stick around for a bit.

Tied For

 

[mlbnfl]

Think I'll just let the title stick around for a bit.

Tied For

Count this as the tie breaker for now: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400578458

Let us have this. Its been a while.

 

[thecatch]

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11945509

Hey too bad nobody could have foreseen Lance Stephenson ruining a team's chemistry or anything.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Bucks reserves run the Pistons out of their building.

No matter how many times you try it, Drummond-Monroe-Smith isn't going to work.

 

[SWC]

fear the deer three games over five hondo bromigos you can indeed take that to the bank bam

 

[Moe.]

fear the deer three games over five hondo bromigos you can indeed take that to the bank bam

Saw a nifty euro-step from Giannis tonight. I think it started from the 3 pt line. Need to find a link.

 

[Raider Nation]

Let's fix that title, guy.

 

[Moe.]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/11/28/7304469/giannis-antetokounmpo-just-eurostepped-from-the-3-point-line

Yeah, that's nice.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Bucks reserves run the Pistons out of their building.

No matter how many times you try it, Drummond-Monroe-Smith isn't going to work.

The Pistons are playing the 3 of them together less this year, but anything more than never is too much.

Smith is the biggest problem. When he's on the floor, the Pistons have been outscored by 110 points, an average of 10.5 per 48. When he's off the floor, the Pistons are +6 per 48. He's shooting .379 from the field and .433 from the line. He's a cancer.

Monroe has played really well. Drummond hasn't, mostly because Van Gundy insists on developing his post game, which in the long run could be a very good thing. I think those two can co-exist well enough together, but Monroe is as good as gone in the offseason. And they have Smith on the books through 2017. This might get worse before it gets better, and I dunno if the owner is patient enough to let SVG see the job through.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

For my brohan SWC:

https://vine.co/v/OnJUmvTd5th

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Not sure what you call it but I don't think that's a Euro Step.

 

[Instinctive]

Wow. Mavs game had a crazy ending tonight.

Refs seemed wrong a lot this game. Two balls early that clearly went off of Amir Johnson they gave to Toronto, and then one in the 4th Devin Harris knocked out of bounds (fairly obviously) and they gave it to Dallas.

DeRozan's injury looked rough. It was an innocent slip, his leg kept going out, and as soon as he hit the floor he grabbed his groin and flopped around. Looked like a lot of pain. They later said strained groin, and he didn't return.

Dirk needs to get right. His shot is all arms last few games it seems. Just catch and then toss at rim, no real rhythm. Sometimes he gets to step into one and it goes in like we've come to expect but the last week or so...

 

[thecatch]

Bucks reserves run the Pistons out of their building.

No matter how many times you try it, Drummond-Monroe-Smith isn't going to work.

The Pistons are playing the 3 of them together less this year, but anything more than never is too much.

Smith is the biggest problem. When he's on the floor, the Pistons have been outscored by 110 points, an average of 10.5 per 48. When he's off the floor, the Pistons are +6 per 48. He's shooting .379 from the field and .433 from the line. He's a cancer.

Monroe has played really well. Drummond hasn't, mostly because Van Gundy insists on developing his post game, which in the long run could be a very good thing. I think those two can co-exist well enough together, but Monroe is as good as gone in the offseason. And they have Smith on the books through 2017. This might get worse before it gets better, and I dunno if the owner is patient enough to let SVG see the job through.

Rally glad DET wasn't willing to give Smith away to the Kings a couple months ago.

 

[Juxtatarot]

DeRozan will be out with a torn left adductor longus tendon. Might take awhile. Clearly Cliff cursed the Raptors with too many Raptors subtitles.

 

[Moe.]

Good job Cliff, you ****.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Bucks reserves run the Pistons out of their building.

No matter how many times you try it, Drummond-Monroe-Smith isn't going to work.

The Pistons are playing the 3 of them together less this year, but anything more than never is too much.

Smith is the biggest problem. When he's on the floor, the Pistons have been outscored by 110 points, an average of 10.5 per 48. When he's off the floor, the Pistons are +6 per 48. He's shooting .379 from the field and .433 from the line. He's a cancer.

Monroe has played really well. Drummond hasn't, mostly because Van Gundy insists on developing his post game, which in the long run could be a very good thing. I think those two can co-exist well enough together, but Monroe is as good as gone in the offseason. And they have Smith on the books through 2017. This might get worse before it gets better, and I dunno if the owner is patient enough to let SVG see the job through.

Rally glad DET wasn't willing to give Smith away to the Kings a couple months ago.

There's still rumors of that deal being revived.

 

[Raider Nation]

I went looking for Wilt Chamberlain's high school stats for some reason. I figured he was pretty good.

During his prep years, he had individual games in which he scored 90, 74 and 71 points. In his senior year he averaged 44.5 points. In his 90-point game he scored 60 points in 12 minutes of the second half. "But it's nothing," Chamberlain said in the Philadelphia Inquirer in 1991, "when you consider that the team we were playing against was trying to freeze the ball."

Chamberlain led Overbrook to two city championships, logged a 56–3 record and had broken Tom Gola's high school scoring record by scoring 2,252 points, averaging 37.4 points per game.

 

[thecatch]

Bucks reserves run the Pistons out of their building.

No matter how many times you try it, Drummond-Monroe-Smith isn't going to work.

The Pistons are playing the 3 of them together less this year, but anything more than never is too much.

Smith is the biggest problem. When he's on the floor, the Pistons have been outscored by 110 points, an average of 10.5 per 48. When he's off the floor, the Pistons are +6 per 48. He's shooting .379 from the field and .433 from the line. He's a cancer.

Monroe has played really well. Drummond hasn't, mostly because Van Gundy insists on developing his post game, which in the long run could be a very good thing. I think those two can co-exist well enough together, but Monroe is as good as gone in the offseason. And they have Smith on the books through 2017. This might get worse before it gets better, and I dunno if the owner is patient enough to let SVG see the job through.

Rally glad DET wasn't willing to give Smith away to the Kings a couple months ago.

There's still rumors of that deal being revived.

I don't see it. Jason Thompson has been playing good defense for the Kings and Smith has continued to crater.