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Nipsey said:
It's both comedic and sad that a UNC fan would try to razz beloved Syracuse alumni over a recent close game that SU lost, especially after this story has come out this morning. Syracuse is at the tail end of dealing with CRIPPLING sanctions. Four years of scholarship restrictions. We have 7 active scholarship players, four who are freshman. We got a post-season ban, years of recruiting restrictions, wins vacated. The program has suffered greatly these last 4 years (still got to a Final 4 in the middle of at all but that's another thread). And why did we get these near-death penalty level of punishment? 3 reasons: 1) An assistant secretary wrote a make-up paper for Fab Melo because the kid couldn't speak english. Dumb thing to do for sure and she was fired. 2) 2 players worked at the YMCA running clinics. Two weeks of clinics were cancelled but they got paid anyway. The horror. 3) One player smoked weed and failed a drug test. The NCAA drug policy doesn't exist. It only says if your school has a drug policy you have to follow it. Well, our drug policy says that after the first offense the parents must be notified. Boeheim decided not to call the parents and talked to the kid himself. The player never had another problem. For those 3 offenses we got NCAA purgatory for 4 years, more if you count the years it takes to fully recover. Boeheim lost wins and was publicly shamed. Kids who had nothing to do with anything lost out of their dream and were forced to transfer because we didn't have the scholarship for them any more. (BJ Johnson, one of the players who had to leave had 29 & 23 the other night for LaSalle. You don't think we miss those guys?) A guy like Rakeem Christmas who put his heart and soul into the program wasn't allowed to play in the NCAA tournament his senior year. If you knew what that kid put in you'd know how devastating that was to him. And now, this morning, after this story breaks that UNC and other schools cheated in ways that make anything SU did look petty in comparison, you actually have the balls to gloat about your cheating, dirty, horrible team pulling out a close game against my school, a school that's been through the ringer for offenses that don't come anywhere close to what been alleged went on at UNC, I say to you: print out the post you wrote, crinkle up the paper and jam it right up your ###. When Williams leaves UNC in shame, when your wins and titles are vacated, when your sanctions are announced I will celebrate like nobody has ever celebrated before. And when you're in the midst of crippling sanctions and SU beats UNC on your home floor, I will find you and rub your nose in it like a nose has never been rubbed in anything before. Your program is going down. Your titles will be vacated. Pain is en route. And the rest of the world will rejoice. :finger:
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The sanctions placed on Syracuse (like most NCAA sanctions) were BS. Especially the drug stuff. This post clearly demonstrates that Syracuse people should be smoking more weed, not less.

 
It took the NCAA eight years to finish an investigation on the improprieties within Syracuse's athletic department, and the end result was one of the toughest punishments college sports has ever seen. The NCAA altered the Orange's past, present and future in handing out a penalty that includes the vacation of 108 wins from coach Jim Boeheim's record, and the loss of three scholarships per year for the next four seasons.
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There's no reason for college football and basketball to be "burned down." Just lift the restrictions on income by athletes and help facilitate a smooth, naturally functioning market. Paying people their market value is only a crime on College Sports Planet. 

It's a lot like all the time and money we've wasted prosecuting weed "crimes."

 
roadkill1292 said:
There's no reason for college football and basketball to be "burned down." Just lift the restrictions on income by athletes and help facilitate a smooth, naturally functioning market. Paying people their market value is only a crime on College Sports Planet. 

It's a lot like all the time and money we've wasted prosecuting weed "crimes."
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Disagree.  If it comes down to paying athletes then the pay they receive should be the same if they go to Ohio State or California.   Otherwise, you will just continue to have the same elite teams dominate every year.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Disagree.  If it comes down to paying athletes then the pay they receive should be the same if they go to Ohio State or California.   Otherwise, you will just continue to have the same elite teams dominate every year.
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Paying them the same is the kind of unilateral, and potentially illegal (hi, Christo!) salary cap that's in place now. Athletes have individual commercial liberties. Schools have no right to some kind of mythological "competitiveness."

 
It's truly amazing that the NCAA created itself to fix a problem that it invented, and very clearly doesn't have the tools (e.g. subpoenas, wiretaps) to legitimately address/quell that problem. It's an incredible hustle.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
It's truly amazing that the NCAA created itself to fix a problem that it invented, and very clearly doesn't have the tools (e.g. subpoenas, wiretaps) to legitimately address/quell that problem. It's an incredible hustle.
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You know, the original anti-compensation rules probably made sense in an era when there wasn't very much money to be made from football and basketball. Where the ADs and NCAA went all Corleone Family on us was when the money started pouring in and they just decided to keep it all for themselves.

Unless Kessler wins big time, this will still be a slow pull uphill, however. There are millions of Noonans out there who can't conceive of talented students having leverage in the game (honestly, is there a subject on this board that Noonan isn't on the wrong side of?) and the highest paid suits in those sports are now mostly concerned with protecting their power and income. Don't forget about those Lead1 asholes, either; if things get really grim they'll be fellating a corrupt Congress in return for anti-trust exemption.

 
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Shouldn't the fact that the investigation was 8 FREAKING YEARS LONG tell you something? A cloud over the program for 8 YEARS to find those 3 violations I listed above. Total bull####. You have a school like UNC offering fake classes, players being paid to go there and the NCAA wrapped that sucker up in months. It's a joke. UNC and Duke have been dirty forever. Imagine if the NCAA parked the van at Cameron for 8 years. They'd find bodies.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Disagree.  If it comes down to paying athletes then the pay they receive should be the same if they go to Ohio State or California.   Otherwise, you will just continue to have the same elite teams dominate every year.
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Kids are always going to want to go to the premier programs over the smaller ones, whether money is involved or not. 

 
Nipsey said:
Shouldn't the fact that the investigation was 8 FREAKING YEARS LONG tell you something? A cloud over the program for 8 YEARS to find those 3 violations I listed above. Total bull####. You have a school like UNC offering fake classes, players being paid to go there and the NCAA wrapped that sucker up in months. It's a joke. UNC and Duke have been dirty forever. Imagine if the NCAA parked the van at Cameron for 8 years. They'd find bodies.
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I totally agree. My point is, most major programs are dirty so don’t throw stones. 

 
Capella said:
I totally agree. My point is, most major programs are dirty so don’t throw stones. 
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Some unintentionally commit minor violations and some are Duke, UNC and FSU. Don't even try to muddy the waters with this "everyone is dirty" BS. The NCAA had a personal vendetta against Boeheim and the school. EIGHT YEARS!!! To find out some idiot wrote a paper for a foreign student, a kid smoked a J/Jimmy didn't tell the parents and YMCA clinics got cancelled but $7/hour paychecks still were issued. You got kids at other schools getting suitcases full of money, taking Swahili and banging hookers bought by the coaching staffs and the NCAA looks for a few weeks and walks away. I want all these schools named in this Yahoo report to burn. I want these coaches to leave in shame. I want people arrested. I want fans of these schools to suffer. I want justice!

 
Nipsey said:
Shouldn't the fact that the investigation was 8 FREAKING YEARS LONG tell you something? A cloud over the program for 8 YEARS to find those 3 violations I listed above. Total bull####. You have a school like UNC offering fake classes, players being paid to go there and the NCAA wrapped that sucker up in months. It's a joke. UNC and Duke have been dirty forever. Imagine if the NCAA parked the van at Cameron for 8 years. They'd find bodies.
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This just ain't true. The NCAA investigation into UNC lasted for years.  The Afro-Am class story came out in 2011. The school released the first of two reports on it in 2012. It dragged on forever, just like the Syracuse mess.

Listen, I love the blinding rage directed at the defending national champs (winners of three national titles in the last 12 seasons!) as well as their lesser counterparts in dark blue 8 miles up the road. And I get it. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to move from a lesser conference to the third tier of the ACC and come face to face with the inevitable conclusion that your team had been splashing around in the kiddie pool for decades. So by all means, let it out. But there's no need to make the NCAA look like a well-oiled machine while you do it.

 
Capella said:
Kids are always going to want to go to the premier programs over the smaller ones, whether money is involved or not. 
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True.  I just think back to the days when there were no scholarship limits for football.  Schools like USC would take well over 85 kids and many kids would end up sitting the bench and never see the field.  Meanwhile, schools like Washington State or Oregon couldn't get these kids to commit and the playing field was so uneven.  I don't know what the answer is but I cringe at the idea of an NBA like system in college.

 
TobiasFunke said:
This just ain't true. The NCAA investigation into UNC lasted for years.  The Afro-Am class story came out in 2011. The school released the first of two reports on it in 2012. It dragged on forever, just like the Syracuse mess.

Listen, I love the blinding rage directed at the defending national champs (winners of three national titles in the last 12 seasons!) as well as their lesser counterparts in dark blue 8 miles up the road. And I get it. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to move from a lesser conference to the third tier of the ACC and come face to face with the inevitable conclusion that your team had been splashing around in the kiddie pool for decades. So by all means, let it out. But there's no need to make the NCAA look like a well-oiled machine while you do it.
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Easy to win titles when you buy the top recruits and not have them attend fake Swahili classes. And bull#### UNC went through the same thing. The school began a kid-gloved internal investigation in 2011. The NCAA didn't investigate until years later. It was nowhere near 8 years.

 
"When you get to college, you don’t go to class, you don’t do nothing, you just show up and play ... That’s exactly how it was..."

— Rashad McCants

"No problem."

--NCAA

 
Nipsey said:
Some unintentionally commit minor violations and some are Duke, UNC and FSU. Don't even try to muddy the waters with this "everyone is dirty" BS. The NCAA had a personal vendetta against Boeheim and the school. EIGHT YEARS!!! To find out some idiot wrote a paper for a foreign student, a kid smoked a J/Jimmy didn't tell the parents and YMCA clinics got cancelled but $7/hour paychecks still were issued. You got kids at other schools getting suitcases full of money, taking Swahili and banging hookers bought by the coaching staffs and the NCAA looks for a few weeks and walks away. I want all these schools named in this Yahoo report to burn. I want these coaches to leave in shame. I want people arrested. I want fans of these schools to suffer. I want justice!
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At least when we cheat we win some titles. Boeheim is as filthy as they come and only has one. You should be disgusted. 

 
Nipsey said:
Easy to win titles when you buy the top recruits and not have them attend fake Swahili classes. And bull#### UNC went through the same thing. The school began a kid-gloved internal investigation in 2011. The NCAA didn't investigate until years later. It was nowhere near 8 years.
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We've been buying the top recruits? According to scout.com we've only got two Top 50 recruits on the roster right now, so on top of all the other obstacles we've overcome it looks like there's been some reckless spending on marked-up merchandise too. 

Good thing we've got the best coach in the game, I guess :shrug:

 
TobiasFunke said:
We've been buying the top recruits? According to scout.com we've only got two Top 50 recruits on the roster right now, so on top of all the other obstacles we've overcome it looks like there's been some reckless spending on marked-up merchandise too. 

Good thing we've got the best coach in the game, I guess :shrug:
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LOL @ best coach in the game. Guy is one of the worst in-game coaches ever. Worse than Calipari maybe.

 
Nipsey said:
LOL @ best coach in the game. Guy is one of the worst in-game coaches ever. Worse than Calipari maybe.
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Buying the wrong recruits AND one of the worst in-game coaches ever? Credit to the players for having the heart to overcome such incredible obstacles to win three national titles in 12 years, I suppose :shrug:

 
Good Posting Judge said:
No F's!
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All legit classes too. No Swahili. They take the whole student-athlete thing seriously at SU. I had a friend who was in a small class with Sherman Douglas. Said Sherman was engaged and had perfect attendance. I used to see Billy Owens in library all the time. Kids would come up to him for a high-five but he'd waive them off because he was engrossed in his studies.

 
Nipsey said:
All legit classes too. No Swahili. They take the whole student-athlete thing seriously at SU. I had a friend who was in a small class with Sherman Douglas. Said Sherman was engaged and had perfect attendance. I used to see Billy Owens in library all the time. Kids would come up to him for a high-five but he'd waive them off because he was engrossed in his studies.
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:lmao: :lmao:   f’n Nipsey. :lmao:  

 
Please dear baby JESUS tell me that UK is going to burn down in flames!  Please!  I cannot wait to razz everyone that has given me #### for UofL having to take down their banner.  

 
Nipsey said:
It's both comedic and sad that a UNC fan would try to razz beloved Syracuse alumni over a recent close game that SU lost, especially after this story has come out this morning. Syracuse is at the tail end of dealing with CRIPPLING sanctions. Four years of scholarship restrictions. We have 7 active scholarship players, four who are freshman. We got a post-season ban, years of recruiting restrictions, wins vacated. The program has suffered greatly these last 4 years (still got to a Final 4 in the middle of at all but that's another thread). And why did we get these near-death penalty level of punishment? 3 reasons: 1) An assistant secretary wrote a make-up paper for Fab Melo because the kid couldn't speak english. Dumb thing to do for sure and she was fired. 2) 2 players worked at the YMCA running clinics. Two weeks of clinics were cancelled but they got paid anyway. The horror. 3) One player smoked weed and failed a drug test. The NCAA drug policy doesn't exist. It only says if your school has a drug policy you have to follow it. Well, our drug policy says that after the first offense the parents must be notified. Boeheim decided not to call the parents and talked to the kid himself. The player never had another problem. For those 3 offenses we got NCAA purgatory for 4 years, more if you count the years it takes to fully recover. Boeheim lost wins and was publicly shamed. Kids who had nothing to do with anything lost out of their dream and were forced to transfer because we didn't have the scholarship for them any more. (BJ Johnson, one of the players who had to leave had 29 & 23 the other night for LaSalle. You don't think we miss those guys?) A guy like Rakeem Christmas who put his heart and soul into the program wasn't allowed to play in the NCAA tournament his senior year. If you knew what that kid put in you'd know how devastating that was to him. And now, this morning, after this story breaks that UNC and other schools cheated in ways that make anything SU did look petty in comparison, you actually have the balls to gloat about your cheating, dirty, horrible team pulling out a close game against my school, a school that's been through the ringer for offenses that don't come anywhere close to what been alleged went on at UNC, I say to you: print out the post you wrote, crinkle up the paper and jam it right up your ###. When Williams leaves UNC in shame, when your wins and titles are vacated, when your sanctions are announced I will celebrate like nobody has ever celebrated before. And when you're in the midst of crippling sanctions and SU beats UNC on your home floor, I will find you and rub your nose in it like a nose has never been rubbed in anything before. Your program is going down. Your titles will be vacated. Pain is en route. And the rest of the world will rejoice. :finger:
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:lmao:

I love this post so hard, not because I have a dog in the fight or even that I could perhaps name 3 college players this year, but because of the writing.  The writing, the writing, the writing.  My brain has an erection. 

 
JuniorGong said:
Zero chance Pearl Washington or Derrick Coleman could read past a second grade level
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I never knew Pearl but can tell you with 100% certainty you're wrong about DC. I do know Pearl was beloved in his community and tragically died just a few years back. I'd consider deleting your post.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Disagree.  If it comes down to paying athletes then the pay they receive should be the same if they go to Ohio State or California.   Otherwise, you will just continue to have the same elite teams dominate every year.
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Wow, look at Donny Trump, "Murica lovin, pro-capitalist Noonan over here espousing the virtues of socialism!  

 
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TobiasFunke said:
This just ain't true. The NCAA investigation into UNC lasted for years.  The Afro-Am class story came out in 2011. The school released the first of two reports on it in 2012. It dragged on forever, just like the Syracuse mess.
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The investigation at UNC "dragged on" because the school did everything they could to skate on the charges.

"UNC wasn’t doing things the way the NCAA prefers. But from a reading of the COI’s decision, the NCAA wasn’t able to hone in on specific violations by specific people. The NCAA says it didn’t get enough information from UNC to help prosecute the case.

“Because of this limitation, UNC's decision to support the courses as legitimate combined with a stale and incomplete record that does not allow the panel to drill down to the course and assignment level—even if the panel had wanted to second guess the courses—it cannot conclude academic fraud occurred,” the decision says."

Darren Rovell ✔ @darrenrovell

UNC paid more than $18 million in legal fees in their academic scandal case.

It was worth it.

Just shameful. Cannot believe you could equate the investigation and cover up at UNC to what Syracuse was forced to endure. The school bent over backwards, opened the books to the NCAA and for that they hosed the program and it's legendary coach. UNC lawyered up, Roy played himself (dumb) and they skated. Not this time though. The NCAA didn't like the stench that came out of that place the last time they were there. No way they get to walk again. Goodbye Roy. Goodbye ghost of Dean. Get lost Michael. And so long to the hundreds of thousands of bandwagon Tar Heel fans. Good news for them is Yankee season is around the corner.

 
Nipsey said:
The investigation at UNC "dragged on" because the school did everything they could to skate on the charges.

"UNC wasn’t doing things the way the NCAA prefers. But from a reading of the COI’s decision, the NCAA wasn’t able to hone in on specific violations by specific people. The NCAA says it didn’t get enough information from UNC to help prosecute the case.

“Because of this limitation, UNC's decision to support the courses as legitimate combined with a stale and incomplete record that does not allow the panel to drill down to the course and assignment level—even if the panel had wanted to second guess the courses—it cannot conclude academic fraud occurred,” the decision says."

Darren Rovell ✔ @darrenrovell

UNC paid more than $18 million in legal fees in their academic scandal case.

It was worth it.

Just shameful. Cannot believe you could equate the investigation and cover up at UNC to what Syracuse was forced to endure. The school bent over backwards, opened the books to the NCAA and for that they hosed the program and it's legendary coach. UNC lawyered up, Roy played himself (dumb) and they skated. Not this time though. The NCAA didn't like the stench that came out of that place the last time they were there. No way they get to walk again. Goodbye Roy. Goodbye ghost of Dean. Get lost Michael. And so long to the hundreds of thousands of bandwagon Tar Heel fans. Good news for them is Yankee season is around the corner.
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I’m sorry your lawyers are as terrible as your basketball players.

 
My novice and uninformed read on UNC:  they sacrificed their football program to avoid harsher sanctions and invasive scrutiny to their basketball team.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
I’m sorry your lawyers are as terrible as your basketball players.
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We didn't hide behind attorneys. That's just not what our school is about. It's about openness, taking responsibility and teaching young people to do what is just and right. You'll read this post and chuckle thinking it's a joke but that's because you were never taught that life is not about winning, it's about how you play. It's about the journey, not the destination. If Syracuse had 8 titles and they were UNC or Kentucky level of dirty, I know I wouldn't be proud about them. I surely would never gloat about them. I probably would never tell anyone I even attended the school. Lucky for me I'll never have to do that because we compete the right way. I'll always be proud to let people know where I went to school and what we are all about. If and when UNC receives the death penalty and Roy has to walk away in shame, maybe you can watch and root quietly from a distance for a school like ours, a school that doesn't only celebrate banners and accomplishment but celebrates hard work, playing by the rules and winning not just on the court but in life.

 
Somebody save “At least when we cheat, we win titles” for thread title updates. 

 
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The people in charge offer these kids (or handlers) all this money, then it comes out in public and the people in charge tell the kids they have to sit out.  Makes sense.

 
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