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Not me. I live in Missouri and am fasinated by this team. I love to see talent come together and play good basketball. This team fits the bill and is a blast to watch.####### Kentucky... I'm pretty sure outside of the UK fans, everyone hates this team more than any other - Is this general consensus here?
They're an interesting experiment, and I find it fascinating that it's a whole new iteration almost every year. So far we've had a team that's won the NC, and a team that's flamed out in the NIT. And then this year, the under-achieving team who gets it together right at the end. I also think Cal is pretty straight-forward and honest about his players, and is pretty up front about what his program is.Not me. I live in Missouri and am fasinated by this team. I love to see talent come together and play good basketball. This team fits the bill and is a blast to watch.
I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.
Calipari has said repeatedly that he hates the "one-and-done" system. But he is certainly going to do whatever he has to do based on whatever he has at his disposal.I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
Not me. Usually when Kentucky wins the whole thing, so do the Yankees!
No doubt...UK's is the largest basketball fanbase...which will inevitably come with dbags.
I don't know of many knowledgeable fan bases who wouldn't be complaining with the performances they were providing early in the year
No, it's impossible to keep UK's mouth-breathers satisfied. Most reasonable people would be happy to have that amount of talent coming in, and would be willing to take some downs with the ups.
Complaining about one-and-dones struggling in November and December after a similar strategy has netted you a national title, two final fours and three Elite 8 appearances in 4 years is, well, not exactly the opposite of "knowledgeable" I guess, but close. What's the opposite of "ungrateful ###hole"?I don't know of many knowledgeable fan bases who wouldn't be complaining with the performances they were providing early in the year
TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
If you are standing by the bolded, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
Seems like you are remember **** Bennett coached teams or just watched the game against Arizona.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
Mighty tough for Michigan when they use a three-guard offense plus Robinson III, who is more guard than forward. It's rather amazing they managed to hang with Ky. I'm not a fan of the one-and-done, but I enjoyed seeing Ky's talent ..and Michigan's too. It was interesting to hear the announcers make a 'varsity vs. JV' comment during the game - not without merit regarding the power game.Timmay said:
Well, they sell out a 24,000 seat arena every night and the coach has more twitter followers than all the other coaches of major D1 schools put together. Not overly scientific evidence, but...I would love to see how that was determinedgump said:
I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
And a loss to Robert Morris in the NIT. If my team were coming off an NIT debacle like that and they followed up the next year with the performance like Kentucky had this past Nov and Dec, you can be assured I'd be #####ing about itComplaining about one-and-dones struggling in November and December after a similar strategy has netted you a national title, two final fours and three Elite 8 appearances in 4 years is, well, not exactly the opposite of "knowledgeable" I guess, but close. What's the opposite of "ungrateful ###hole"?I don't know of many knowledgeable fan bases who wouldn't be complaining with the performances they were providing early in the year
Now, of course, if they win it all this year, perhaps that will give the fan base something to think about the next time it happens. This pattern hadn't happened with UK yet. It's not like there's a huge history of them magically turning it around all the time.
Very ignorant comment. Kentucky is 46th in the nation scoring 76.4 ppg while WI is 92nd at 73.5 ppg. Not a huge difference considering Kentucky is loaded with NBA draft picks. WI isn't the slow, plodding offense you think it is.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
Number of teeth?How would you do it?I would love to see how that was determinedgump said:
Damned if I know. That's why I asked. I've heard Ohio State has the largest alumni base in the country, but I have no idea how one would gauge "basketball fanbase". I guess self-importance could account for some of it, attendance at home games for some more, and "we travel well" for yet more. Ashley Judd, maybe, to take the championship home?How would you do it?I would love to see how that was determinedgump said:
You know what a West Virginia divorce and a tornado in Oklahoma have in common?Number of teeth?How would you do it?I would love to see how that was determinedgump said:
Combo of Licensed sales, Attendance, Travel, TV ratings, # of Judd's....UK is great across the board.Damned if I know. That's why I asked. I've heard Ohio State has the largest alumni base in the country, but I have no idea how one would gauge "basketball fanbase". I guess self-importance could account for some of it, attendance at home games for some more, and "we travel well" for yet more. Ashley Judd, maybe, to take the championship home?How would you do it?I would love to see how that was determinedgump said:
It's not even going to replay when they do that bothers me. It's how long they take.
You don't know anything about Wisconsin basketball.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
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100%!!!
Somewhere, the definition of what basketball is, got changed. Passing, moving without the ball, cutting, screens is what basketball is. Posting up 1-1 or fast breaks, which were always part of the game, are not the definition of the game. Sorry you think Wisconsin plays a boring brand of basketball. You'll have all off season to wonder how Bucky team ball got the best of the Cats.TobiasFunke said:
Sorry, no. Wisconsin is 92nd in PPG because they score efficiently. If you're 92nd in ppg despite being 4th in adjusted offensive efficiency, you are pretty much the definition of slow and plodding.Very ignorant comment. Kentucky is 46th in the nation scoring 76.4 ppg while WI is 92nd at 73.5 ppg. Not a huge difference considering Kentucky is loaded with NBA draft picks. WI isn't the slow, plodding offense you think it is.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
Well duh. You actually think other SEC states or any state besides KY will root for the big bad wolf in the conference.
They are scoring 3 points a game less the Kentucky. Just because they don't fire up and miss a bunch of shots doesn't mean they are boring.Sorry, no. Wisconsin is 92nd in PPG because they score efficiently. If you're 92nd in ppg despite being 4th in adjusted offensive efficiency, you are pretty much the definition of slow and plodding.Very ignorant comment. Kentucky is 46th in the nation scoring 76.4 ppg while WI is 92nd at 73.5 ppg. Not a huge difference considering Kentucky is loaded with NBA draft picks. WI isn't the slow, plodding offense you think it is.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
I mean being 341st of 351 teams in time of offensive possession is pretty much the definition of slow and plodding as well, the conversation should end right there. There is no better statistic to measure the speed at which your offense plays than, you know, the speed at which your offense plays. But since you insist on bringing the less relevant ppg numbers into the discussion and then saying my comment was ignorant, then I guess I have to address their ppg rankings vs the efficiency ranking as well.
Bottom line- they're boring as ####. Effective, yes, but still very clearly boring as ####.
If he'd only said they are boring, well, that's really just an opinion and everyone's got one, but he also said that Wisconsin's average length of possession indicates (to him) that their goal is "to play as little actual basketball as possible", which of course is just plain old stupid.They are scoring 3 points a game less the Kentucky. Just because they don't fire up and miss a bunch of shots doesn't mean they are boring.Sorry, no. Wisconsin is 92nd in PPG because they score efficiently. If you're 92nd in ppg despite being 4th in adjusted offensive efficiency, you are pretty much the definition of slow and plodding.Very ignorant comment. Kentucky is 46th in the nation scoring 76.4 ppg while WI is 92nd at 73.5 ppg. Not a huge difference considering Kentucky is loaded with NBA draft picks. WI isn't the slow, plodding offense you think it is.I know plenty. For example I know their average possession length on offense is 20.5 seconds, which is 341st of the 351 teams in Division 1. I also know that style of play is boring as #### to watch for any impartial observer. I also know that Wisconsin fans try to justify it by claiming it's somehow "pure" or "disciplined," which is pretty much all they can say.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.The bolded shows you don't know much about what Wisconsin does.TobiasFunke said:I like them a lot. Calipari is maybe the only coach in the country who's somewhat honest about the whole NCAA charade, and he's definitely has the players' collective and individual best interests in mind. Plus they play an entertaining style of basketball- as opposed to say Wisconsin whose goal is generally to play as little actual basketball as possible.fantasycurse42 said:
ETA: Yeah, the fans are another story. Just awful, and definitely sufficient reason to hate them.
They have shot clocks at every level of basketball that draws fans for a reason- because watching teams drive and shoot and score and rebound is way more fun than watching them not do those things.
I mean being 341st of 351 teams in time of offensive possession is pretty much the definition of slow and plodding as well, the conversation should end right there. There is no better statistic to measure the speed at which your offense plays than, you know, the speed at which your offense plays. But since you insist on bringing the less relevant ppg numbers into the discussion and then saying my comment was ignorant, then I guess I have to address their ppg rankings vs the efficiency ranking as well.
Bottom line- they're boring as ####. Effective, yes, but still very clearly boring as ####.
