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Thank god their is someone. Terrible year for mid-major basketball. But still...it's March, something will happen
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NCAA HOOPS THREAD! -- K petitions to get Maui Jim Maui Invitational moved to Transylvania (2 Viewers)
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Bruce Dickinson
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Yeah, not too many mid-major at-large teams this year, even if the conference tournaments go haywire. (Considering Big East to still be a power conference for this exercise)
Northern Iowa beat UNC and Iowa State, but fell off a cliff in conference play. Wichita State is nothing special - probably an at-large team but won't get pod preference or anything like that. So the Valley will be back to one bid unless the Shockers lose the conference finals.
A-10 should be multi-bid: 3 teams, maybe 4.
West Coast is probably two bids.
American will be multi-bid, UConn and Cincinnati are at-large worthy.
But who among the mid-majors are real threats for the Sweet 16? Dayton? Gonzaga? Anyone else?
Northern Iowa beat UNC and Iowa State, but fell off a cliff in conference play. Wichita State is nothing special - probably an at-large team but won't get pod preference or anything like that. So the Valley will be back to one bid unless the Shockers lose the conference finals.
A-10 should be multi-bid: 3 teams, maybe 4.
West Coast is probably two bids.
American will be multi-bid, UConn and Cincinnati are at-large worthy.
But who among the mid-majors are real threats for the Sweet 16? Dayton? Gonzaga? Anyone else?
Instinctive
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St. Mary's is really good. They are WCC. I haven't watched them, but KenPom has Valpo at #20 in the nation (Horizon). He also has Evansville (MVC) ranked pretty high. Gonzaga is up there for him as well. UC Irvine will maybe be interesting with their gigantic center.
Bruce Dickinson
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Ouch. Just an awful showing in Stillwater. Oklahoma State shot the lights out on threes, but they did a great job getting open looks and controlling the game pace, especially in the second half.
Maybe West Virginia is the best team in the Big XII.
Maybe West Virginia is the best team in the Big XII.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Really feel like the title change deserved more love tbh.
The Commish
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Was waiting for a reference to Coach K and his "back issues" 
They better hope they can get Jefferson back quick, but even if they do, I'm not convinced it's going to matter a ton. They are just playing bad basketball all around lately.
They better hope they can get Jefferson back quick, but even if they do, I'm not convinced it's going to matter a ton. They are just playing bad basketball all around lately.Bruce Dickinson
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It's a bit uncouth to S your own D, but you are correct here. The current title is my favorite since you took ownership of naming rights.He really has become the coach everyone says Calipari is, hasn't he?
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Ministry of Pain
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The Canes started off hot, got to #8, then two quick losses. I knew they were not as good as their top 10 ranking but I'm very proud of what Larranaga has done in building the program. I don't believe Miami will ever be a powerhouse at basketball BUT they have access to a lot of good recruits around South Florida that play basketball, should not be that hard to grab 1-2 studs form this area every year. And for goodness sake, why can't we pull kids from the North with these beautiful beaches and babes, they are not going to get that in most places. Plus we have a pro team here that takes an interest any time UM looks good. Most schools do not have a pro team up the street.
On one hand I get that UM is never going to be a Duke/Kentucky but they certainly have the accessories to build a nice program to compete and get to the tourney on a regular basis.
On one hand I get that UM is never going to be a Duke/Kentucky but they certainly have the accessories to build a nice program to compete and get to the tourney on a regular basis.
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Good Posting Judge
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I try to keep it to a minimum.
Seems that way. I don't blame him, I'm all for my team getting the best players they can, regardless of how long they're going to stay. It is pretty comical to contrast them bringing in a couple of clear-cut one-and-dones each year against that letter to Elton Brand that nutty student wrote 15 years ago, or K releasing an official statement saying he didn't support Avery going into the draft.
simsarge
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(Late to the party, I know 2003 Syracuse team had Carmelo and Hakim Warrick who was your prototypical journeyman
Late to the party, I know
Good Posting Judge
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You're right. Obviously Melo takes them out of the running for team that had the least impact, but nobody else on there was really a prospect. Josh Pace did have a 10 year career in New Zealand, so there's that!(Late to the party, I know 2003 Syracuse team had Carmelo and Hakim Warrick who was your prototypical journeyman
Late to the party, I know
Instinctive
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Big game tonight at Maples with Arizona coming to town. Couple things to watch for:
Arizona O-Boards like crazy. They are a gigantic team. They can legitimately throw out a lineup of 7 ft, 6-11, 6-9, 6-6, 6-4 and not really give up much with Tollefsen's shooting.
Arizona's bigs are also slow. Stanford's (Humphrey/Allen) coudl really pull them out from the basket and put them through the ringer.
Trier's out (I think). If the game is close, look for 2 things: York with a high ballscreen, or Allen pushing the ball and going to the basket.
Arizona O-Boards like crazy. They are a gigantic team. They can legitimately throw out a lineup of 7 ft, 6-11, 6-9, 6-6, 6-4 and not really give up much with Tollefsen's shooting.
Arizona's bigs are also slow. Stanford's (Humphrey/Allen) coudl really pull them out from the basket and put them through the ringer.
Trier's out (I think). If the game is close, look for 2 things: York with a high ballscreen, or Allen pushing the ball and going to the basket.
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
WTF is Mich St. wearing??? Are those white capris under Oregon reject unis?
Short Corner
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The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
The glory days of the Thunderdome. After that game, I remember getting a voice mail from my friend who went to UCSB and from the incoherent screaming I could just pick out "beat Vegas" and "couches burning on DP". Jerry Pimm had some players on those teams.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Nice matchups in the SEC-Big 12 challenge this weekend.
Kentucky-Kansas
Oklahoma-LSU
Iowa St. - T A&M
plus others
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/ranking-the-big-12-sec-challenge-games-from-best-to-worst-172054136.html
Kentucky-Kansas
Oklahoma-LSU
Iowa St. - T A&M
plus others
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/ranking-the-big-12-sec-challenge-games-from-best-to-worst-172054136.html
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
In previous seasons, this challenge was played out over a few days in December with little fanfare. I like how they moved it to one day during a relatively dead sports weekend. And with the top half of the SEC exceeding expectations, we've got a good slate of games.
Obviously I'm totally into the main event. UK is 7-3 lifetime against KU at the Phog, and even though most of those were during the Ted Owens era it still stings a little. Jayhawks have been ordinary in road and neutral games this season, but have played a few gems in Lawrence. Hope that continues. Thought about going to it, but instead I'm going to try to hit the return game at Rupp next year - always wanted to see a game there, and this challenge is a great excuse to pursue that item on the ol' sports bucket list.
Definitely going to catch OU-LSU. Seen highlights of Ben Simmons, but haven't seen him play a game from start to finish yet.
Think A&M is going to blow out Iowa State. Lousy matchup for the Cyclones.
The early game that should be really good is West Virginia-Florida. Florida is only 13-7, but they've played a tough schedule and a ton of true road games.
MAC_32
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Rough time to draw the Aggs too. Coming off two top five home wins and they have West Virginia coming in early next week too while A&M just lost to a mediocre Arkansas team they throttled 3 weeks ago. I'd have love to watch this game under different circumstances.
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In The Zone
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Too bad the Gamecocks aren't included. I guess we'll just have to get some payback on Bama today.
Uruk-Hai
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Appropos of nothing, I saw Walt Williams was at the MD/Iowa game the other night. And it got me to wondering how he's kind of a lost figure in MD hoops history. He came to Maryland right after the Bias/Bob Wade fiasco left the program with a de facto death penalty. Gary Williams (who came in on the ###-end of those scandals) credits Williams with cutting years off of Maryland getting back to be a competitive program. Walt was allowed to transfer and play immediately, IIRC, anywhere. He stayed.
The Wizard was a fantastic player - an All-American who stayed home when he could have gone anywhere and enhanced his value. Yet, you rarely hear him mentioned among the greats of Maryland basketball. He'd be on my starting 5 of all-timers there.
Sooooooo.........who are some other great college players who seem to have been forgotten?
A few I can think of real quick:
Darnell Valentine
Jack Givens
Kenny Carr
Donald Williams
Ed O'Bannon
Curtis Staples
The Wizard was a fantastic player - an All-American who stayed home when he could have gone anywhere and enhanced his value. Yet, you rarely hear him mentioned among the greats of Maryland basketball. He'd be on my starting 5 of all-timers there.
Sooooooo.........who are some other great college players who seem to have been forgotten?
A few I can think of real quick:
Darnell Valentine
Jack Givens
Kenny Carr
Donald Williams
Ed O'Bannon
Curtis Staples
Bruce Dickinson
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Great Moments in Perry Ellis History at Kansas
Kudos to the image work here. Some rare photos of Ellis here, including shots of him with Wilt and Danny.
Kudos to the image work here. Some rare photos of Ellis here, including shots of him with Wilt and Danny.
Uruk-Hai
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I think Keith Gatlin spent about 8 years at Maryland. Hell, he might still be there.
Aerial Assault
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PlasmaDogPlasma
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Big win for UF. First ranked win of the year. Unfortunately still 2-5 vs top 50 RPI.
Uruk-Hai
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That's a bubble-helping win, though, if they can go on a little run and get to 20 or so wins
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
NC State had a dude back in the 70s named Hawkeye Whitney. He was Charles Barkley before Charles Barkley. Just a nasty piece of work.
David Greenwood for UCLA in the mid-70s had as much athletic talent as anyone I've ever seen. He must have had a 48" vertical leap out of quicksand. Saw him pin a shot on the backboard above the square. That's all he wanted to do, though - jump.
Austin Carr was the first guy I can remember watching and saying "wow!".
David Greenwood for UCLA in the mid-70s had as much athletic talent as anyone I've ever seen. He must have had a 48" vertical leap out of quicksand. Saw him pin a shot on the backboard above the square. That's all he wanted to do, though - jump.
Austin Carr was the first guy I can remember watching and saying "wow!".
Tau837
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Austin Carr had a lot of injuries in the NBA, but he still had some good years and led the Cavs to their first playoff run. Today he is known as "Mr Cavalier"
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Saw all of these guys play against UMass at some point. The Big Five is so awesome, really wish it got more recognition nationally.
Nothing better than watching basketball at the Palestra. I even got a chance to play a pickup game on the floor about 20 years ago during one of the A-10 tournament weeks.
Uruk-Hai
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I was a Bullets' fan back then and those damned Cav teams were a PITA. I'll have Bingo ####### Smith nightmares until I die
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Macon would have driven me crazy if I were a Temple fan. He played every game like he was playing against a bunch of short, white guys at the YMCA.
Lionel Simmons was a force of nature - a perpetual motion machine. GREAT, great player.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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Ramblin Wreck
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My homer picks are Tom Hammonds and Jarrett Jack. Others are Harold Deane at UVA, Donald Williams at UNC, Keith Booth at Maryland, Greg Buckner at Clemson, and Randolph Childress at Wake.
Uruk-Hai
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Dwayne Schintzius (rip)
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
Was thinking just yesterday what a great college player Jamal Mashburn was and he's not talked about much even here in the heart of Big Blue Nation. Lost in the Elite 8 to the Laettner shot and in the Final 4 to the Fab 5 without a great deal of talent around him.
trader jake
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Walt Williams also rocked the high socks, which was awesome.Other great "forgotten" college Bball players:
Sean Elliott - He really was the beginning of the great run by Arizona basketball. Absolute beast that had a complete game many young players just don't have.
Tony Bennett - HC at Virginia now was once a one man show at UW-Green Bay when his dad **** Bennett was HC there (he later led the Badgers to a Final Four).
Chris Jackson (later Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) - Just a unique player. He had the odd twitches but he was explosive and would absolutely drill open shots. He's largely remembered only for off the court stuff now, but as a player he was so skillful, had the ball on a string.
Lamar Odem - While at Rhode Island he became a must watch. In college he reminded me of a Derrick Coleman type that could do absolutely anything he wanted against college players and would only be stopped by his own actions.
Calbert Chaney & Big Dog Robinson - These two Big10 players could not have been much different but they were so, so good in college around the same time. Each just would rip the heart out of the opposition and always seemed to step up and make plays on the road, silencing crowds.
No college, but still great/forgotten list...
Lloyd Daniels - He was this playground legend I recall reading stories about out of NY, not even sure if it was legit in a time before YouTube clips or Vines. He had drug issues and never made it to school (UNLV). Next thing I know, he's somehow, someway playing for the Spurs when Tark was the HC. In one of his very first games he goes crazy and I couldn't believe it (near triple-double type stat line). Tark was fired early that season and "Sweet Pea" never went off again, but occasionally you'd see this unorthodox play and/or ridiculous pass in traffic that required vision most HOF's didn't have.
Brandon Jennings - He skipped college to play overseas for a year before entering the NBA but he had one of the most impressive McDonald's All-American games ever. He torched defenders and turned a game rife with dunks already into a complete And1 tour like event. I recall he had almost 20 assists and just looked like a ridiculous talent. In one of his first 10 NBA games, he put up 55 and that night I thought we may have another great player on our hands with the moxie to match.
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