NE Running It Up = YES (1 Viewer)

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

To all those who want to trash what may very well prove to be the greatest team of all time at least you now have some amunition. Don't talk 2 me about spygate unless u can make a coherent argument as to how it has anything to do with the way NE has oblitereated their first 9 (oops I mean 8 ) opponents.

Let me also concede (however grudgingly) that there now is at least a sliver of evidence that maybe, just maybe there is something to the theory that NE might be interested in the TD passing record. I really don't think so, but given what happened, I can't simply discount it as easily as I could in week 6. IMO the TD passing record takes a back seat to an undefeated season which takes a back seat to a SB win. However, while I admit that I believe the TD is passing record is not on NEs radar, I do believe an undefeated season is something NE will "go for" should the oportunity present itself (IE they get past INDY and are 15-0 facing the NYG).

Write this down; Tom Brady will NOT set the TD passing record because:

A. Most of NEs remaining games will be played outdoors and Nov-Dec weather in the Northeast is not conducive to throwing the football.

B. When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

I don't agree with the play calling when up by 38-0, but listening the BS directed at NE thus far this year I don't have any problem with them saying effu to all the haters.

Pats Haters stand right up and pile on with regard to running it up; but if u want to whine about cheating please be specific (Goodell is on record as saying NE had no advantage in game 1) with your accusations.

 

[dickey moe]

The only way Brady will fail to beat the TD record is if he gets injured. End of story.

 

[bentley]

We needed another thread on this. Thanks.

 

[HellToupee]

We needed another thread on this. Thanks.

 

[cobalt_27]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

To all those who want to trash what may very well prove to be the greatest team of all time at least you now have some amunition. Don't talk 2 me about spygate unless u can make a coherent argument as to how it has anything to do with the way NE has oblitereated their first 9 (oops I mean 8 ) opponents.

Let me also concede (however grudgingly) that there now is at least a sliver of evidence that maybe, just maybe there is something to the theory that NE might be interested in the TD passing record. I really don't think so, but given what happened, I can't simply discount it as easily as I could in week 6. IMO the TD passing record takes a back seat to an undefeated season which takes a back seat to a SB win. However, while I admit that I believe the TD is passing record is not on NEs radar, I do believe an undefeated season is something NE will "go for" should the oportunity present itself (IE they get past INDY and are 15-0 facing the NYG).

Write this down; Tom Brady will NOT set the TD passing record because:

A. Most of NEs remaining games will be played outdoors and Nov-Dec weather in the Northeast is not conducive to throwing the football.

B. When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

I don't agree with the play calling when up by 38-0, but listening the BS directed at NE thus far this year I don't have any problem with them saying effu to all the haters.

Pats Haters stand right up and pile on with regard to running it up; but if u want to whine about cheating please be specific (Goodell is on record as saying NE had no advantage in game 1) with your accusations.

Did Charley Casserly have anything to say about the Pats jamming communications between opposing coordinators and QBs? What happened today with the Skins not having communication between their booth and sideline coaches?Not that this means anything at all. But, there sure seems to be very antiquated/poor technology at Gillette, I guess.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

We needed another thread on this. Thanks.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

 

[mbuehner]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

End of argument.

 

[Joe Bryant]

We needed another thread on this. Thanks.

I don't think we've had this point of view from a big Patriots fan though.Good post. I can see what NERevival is saying. Although I think Brady gets the TD record.J

 

[bentley]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

End of argument.

Seriously? They're doing to take care of the 9-11th tiebreaker in the worst division in football? This post is just dumb enough to make the seventeenth thread on the topic today interesting.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

NP, we can aggree to dissagree; I understand what you are saying about BB and I agree. However, in this instance I can't rationalize the play selection.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

End of argument.

Seriously? They're doing to take care of the 9-11th tiebreaker in the worst division in football? This post is just dumb enough to make the seventeenth thread on the topic today interesting.

 

[twitch]

NER, I completely agree. The TD pass with a 38 point lead and downs still left to burn clock with leave me without excuse. But we've seen how ugly its been all year for these guys from a distance, with all the hate, resentment, and jealousy. And the fact that NOT ONE SINGLE HEAD COACH spoke out on behalf of Belichick to provide even the slightest speck of public support. I cant say I support the late scores. nor do I support the video cheating. But I dont find it impossible to understand the approach. good piece.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

We needed another thread on this. Thanks.

I don't think we've had this point of view from a big Patriots fan though.Good post. I can see what NERevival is saying. Although I think Brady gets the TD record.J

Thanks J, I appreciate the acknowledgement; I think u understand that I didn't agree or applaud what my team did and I wasn't afraid to say so.

 

[B Maverick]

going for it on 4th down in two consecutive series while within FG range is the epitime (sp?) of running it up and shows a lack of class by NE. A FG puts you up 41-0 with under 10 to go in the 4th. The next series a fg puts you up 44-0 (or 44-7). Absolutely no need to go for it. And no need to continue to pass up like that when the def has shut down everything the skins did.

Sorgi came in with 9 to go in the 4th.

LT was out most of the 4th.

both games were closer then NE's.

 

[destro]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

End of argument.

I love when people definitively and authoritatively declare to all that the weak point they just made was the "end of argument."

 

[duece2626]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.

It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

You can't be serious when you say this.

 

[freelander]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

So, after today, do you not wonder about previous allegations ?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

NER, I completely agree. The TD pass with a 38 point lead and downs still left to burn clock with leave me without excuse. But we've seen how ugly its been all year for these guys from a distance, with all the hate, resentment, and jealousy. And the fact that NOT ONE SINGLE HEAD COACH spoke out on behalf of Belichick to provide even the slightest speck of public support. I cant say I support the late scores. nor do I support the video cheating. But I dont find it impossible to understand the approach. good piece.

Gruden, Martz, and Billick all made comments at the time that could be construed as as implied support. MANY retired coaches also implicitly or explicitly pointed to the immaterial nature of the infractions, including Parcells, Johnson, and Switzer. Tomlin and Dungy expressed the opposite opinion, but given the ties to Polian, Childress and the Rooneys this is not surprising.

 

[thayman]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

To all those who want to trash what may very well prove to be the greatest team of all time at least you now have some amunition. Don't talk 2 me about spygate unless u can make a coherent argument as to how it has anything to do with the way NE has oblitereated their first 9 (oops I mean 8 ) opponents.

Let me also concede (however grudgingly) that there now is at least a sliver of evidence that maybe, just maybe there is something to the theory that NE might be interested in the TD passing record. I really don't think so, but given what happened, I can't simply discount it as easily as I could in week 6. IMO the TD passing record takes a back seat to an undefeated season which takes a back seat to a SB win. However, while I admit that I believe the TD is passing record is not on NEs radar, I do believe an undefeated season is something NE will "go for" should the oportunity present itself (IE they get past INDY and are 15-0 facing the NYG).

Write this down; Tom Brady will NOT set the TD passing record because:

A. Most of NEs remaining games will be played outdoors and Nov-Dec weather in the Northeast is not conducive to throwing the football.

B. When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

I don't agree with the play calling when up by 38-0, but listening the BS directed at NE thus far this year I don't have any problem with them saying effu to all the haters.

Pats Haters stand right up and pile on with regard to running it up; but if u want to whine about cheating please be specific (Goodell is on record as saying NE had no advantage in game 1) with your accusations.

I don't mind them running up the score. But it is still a stupid thing to do, would your thoughts be any different if you had a big injury when the Pats were up 38-0 in the 4th? Not to mention the fact that the biggest game of their regular season schedule is next week.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Don't you think too that Moss would like the WR TD record too? After all the "he's not hall of fame worthy" talk with his stint in Oakland... if he break's Rice's single season TD record this year, how can he not go to the hall of fame? seems every game Brady wants to get Moss a TD... so it doesn't seem far fetched to me if they both break the records...

Also football is a game of momentum, if you have it, you want to keep it, since it is tough to get back... crazy things have happened in the past where teams throw up 30+ points in a 4th quarter to win. (Monday night games in recent history...)

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

NP, we can aggree to dissagree; I understand what you are saying about BB and I agree. However, in this instance I can't rationalize the play selection.

I am a big NE fan, and I usually avoid these threads. I think that we are going to see this all season for four reasons. I will list them in what I perceive the order of importance to NE.1) NE had Indy down 21-3 near the end of the first half in the AFC Championship game and lost the game. It was humiliating for the entire team and coaching staff. The offense couldn't get first downs. The D couldn't stop Indy when it mattered. Wr's dropped balls. The scheme to slow down Dallas Clark failed. Everyone player and coach eased off, at least a little, at some point in that game- if only for a play or two.Since they moment, they have, to quote a friend of mine "Driven it like they stole it." They signed free agents. They traded for players. They vowed- never again. The moment Belichick senses a moment of complacency, he can simply say 21-3. They are out for blood on every play.2) They are pissed about the "tainted title" thing.3) They have some concerns about their D. They have bouts where they let teams March down the field. They remember Indy. 4) Indy has had their number the past couple of years and they simply want to destroy them.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.

It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

You can't be serious when you say this.

Did you happen to watch the AFC Championship game last year?

 

[thayman]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.

It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

You can't be serious when you say this.

Did you happen to watch the AFC Championship game last year?

I'm sure he fears combacks, probably more so than most coaches after the AFC Championship game last year. But that arguement isn't worth anything if one of the key starters gets hurt in a blowout.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

So, after today, do you not wonder about previous allegations ?

No, I don't wonder because I have watched every game and I understood the rational behind the play calling. However, if you have a specifc instance in mind I am more than willing to discuss.

 

[geoff8695]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.

It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it does.sincerely,

Inigo Montoya

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

To all those who want to trash what may very well prove to be the greatest team of all time at least you now have some amunition. Don't talk 2 me about spygate unless u can make a coherent argument as to how it has anything to do with the way NE has oblitereated their first 9 (oops I mean 8 ) opponents.

Let me also concede (however grudgingly) that there now is at least a sliver of evidence that maybe, just maybe there is something to the theory that NE might be interested in the TD passing record. I really don't think so, but given what happened, I can't simply discount it as easily as I could in week 6. IMO the TD passing record takes a back seat to an undefeated season which takes a back seat to a SB win. However, while I admit that I believe the TD is passing record is not on NEs radar, I do believe an undefeated season is something NE will "go for" should the oportunity present itself (IE they get past INDY and are 15-0 facing the NYG).

Write this down; Tom Brady will NOT set the TD passing record because:

A. Most of NEs remaining games will be played outdoors and Nov-Dec weather in the Northeast is not conducive to throwing the football.

B. When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

I don't agree with the play calling when up by 38-0, but listening the BS directed at NE thus far this year I don't have any problem with them saying effu to all the haters.

Pats Haters stand right up and pile on with regard to running it up; but if u want to whine about cheating please be specific (Goodell is on record as saying NE had no advantage in game 1) with your accusations.

I don't mind them running up the score. But it is still a stupid thing to do, would your thoughts be any different if you had a big injury when the Pats were up 38-0 in the 4th? Not to mention the fact that the biggest game of their regular season schedule is next week.

I am not sure that I follow?I don't agree with what they did, I think it was bad sportsmanship & bad karma. I thought I made that fairly clear.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

To all those who want to trash what may very well prove to be the greatest team of all time at least you now have some amunition. Don't talk 2 me about spygate unless u can make a coherent argument as to how it has anything to do with the way NE has oblitereated their first 9 (oops I mean 8 ) opponents.

Let me also concede (however grudgingly) that there now is at least a sliver of evidence that maybe, just maybe there is something to the theory that NE might be interested in the TD passing record. I really don't think so, but given what happened, I can't simply discount it as easily as I could in week 6. IMO the TD passing record takes a back seat to an undefeated season which takes a back seat to a SB win. However, while I admit that I believe the TD is passing record is not on NEs radar, I do believe an undefeated season is something NE will "go for" should the oportunity present itself (IE they get past INDY and are 15-0 facing the NYG).

Write this down; Tom Brady will NOT set the TD passing record because:

A. Most of NEs remaining games will be played outdoors and Nov-Dec weather in the Northeast is not conducive to throwing the football.

B. When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

I don't agree with the play calling when up by 38-0, but listening the BS directed at NE thus far this year I don't have any problem with them saying effu to all the haters.

Pats Haters stand right up and pile on with regard to running it up; but if u want to whine about cheating please be specific (Goodell is on record as saying NE had no advantage in game 1) with your accusations.

Did Charley Casserly have anything to say about the Pats jamming communications between opposing coordinators and QBs? What happened today with the Skins not having communication between their booth and sideline coaches?Not that this means anything at all. But, there sure seems to be very antiquated/poor technology at Gillette, I guess.

Even after the tenth time you posted this today, it still doesn't make sense.

 

[Enforcer]

When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

Congrats on being able to look into the hearts and minds of other people. Bet that will come in handy when you're asking your kids about the broken lamp ten years from now.

 

[duece2626]

I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.

It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

You can't be serious when you say this.

Did you happen to watch the AFC Championship game last year?

Yep, sure did. I don't think that comparing that to being up 42-0 in the 4th Q when you've completely dominated the opponent the entire game the same thing.

 

[freelander]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

So, after today, do you not wonder about previous allegations ?

No, I don't wonder because I have watched every game and I understood the rational behind the play calling. However, if you have a specifc instance in mind I am more than willing to discuss.

No, of course, I, like most, have no "specific" instances to discuss just as there is no "specific" answers to what was found or not ... hey , the PATS are likely the best there ever was, the problem you have is dealing with the baggage. Good luck.

 

[thayman]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway.

To all those who want to trash what may very well prove to be the greatest team of all time at least you now have some amunition. Don't talk 2 me about spygate unless u can make a coherent argument as to how it has anything to do with the way NE has oblitereated their first 9 (oops I mean 8 ) opponents.

Let me also concede (however grudgingly) that there now is at least a sliver of evidence that maybe, just maybe there is something to the theory that NE might be interested in the TD passing record. I really don't think so, but given what happened, I can't simply discount it as easily as I could in week 6. IMO the TD passing record takes a back seat to an undefeated season which takes a back seat to a SB win. However, while I admit that I believe the TD is passing record is not on NEs radar, I do believe an undefeated season is something NE will "go for" should the oportunity present itself (IE they get past INDY and are 15-0 facing the NYG).

Write this down; Tom Brady will NOT set the TD passing record because:

A. Most of NEs remaining games will be played outdoors and Nov-Dec weather in the Northeast is not conducive to throwing the football.

B. When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

I don't agree with the play calling when up by 38-0, but listening the BS directed at NE thus far this year I don't have any problem with them saying effu to all the haters.

Pats Haters stand right up and pile on with regard to running it up; but if u want to whine about cheating please be specific (Goodell is on record as saying NE had no advantage in game 1) with your accusations.

I don't mind them running up the score. But it is still a stupid thing to do, would your thoughts be any different if you had a big injury when the Pats were up 38-0 in the 4th? Not to mention the fact that the biggest game of their regular season schedule is next week.

I am not sure that I follow?I don't agree with what they did, I think it was bad sportsmanship & bad karma. I thought I made that failry clear.

I completly scrolled past one of your paragraphs. Sorry....too much after watching my Skins getting spanked

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

When push comes to shove all Brady cares about is winning.

Congrats on being able to look into the hearts and minds of other people. Bet that will come in handy when you're asking your kids about the broken lamp ten years from now.

Did u miss the part of my post where I conceded it might be possible that TB and the NE might be interested in the TD passing record?I didn't think I had to preface my comment with IMO and or "with everything I have observed about the guy", but if it makes you feel better I will amend the statement to include that.

 

[Statorama]

One of these days, Brady is going to rub the wrong teams nose in it. The Redskins have no cajones, but some team is going to get a little ticked off when Brady is taking seven step drops during a 45-0 fourth quarter blowout and send him out on a stretcher. Wouldn't take much for a couple of 300 pounders to "play through the whistle" and make Brady a pancake.

 

[thayman]

One of these days, Brady is going to rub the wrong teams nose in it. The Redskins have no cajones, but some team is going to get a little ticked off when Brady is taking seven step drops during a 45-0 fourth quarter blowout and send him out on a stretcher. Wouldn't take much for a couple of 300 pounders to "play through the whistle" and make Brady a pancake.

Why because they have the class to not take a cheap shot?? I'm happy my team doesn't resort to bush league moves. Everyone trashes Bellicheck and the Patriots because they are "bush league" but then encourage plays like that?

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

The Steelers will end all this talk if Indy fails to get it done.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

So, after today, do you not wonder about previous allegations ?

No, I don't wonder because I have watched every game and I understood the rational behind the play calling. However, if you have a specifc instance in mind I am more than willing to discuss.

No, of course, I, like most, have no "specific" instances to discuss just as there is no "specific" answers to what was found or not ... hey , the PATS are likely the best there ever was, the problem you have is dealing with the baggage. Good luck.

I am not going to let u off that easy. If you want to put an asterisk next to all of NEs SB wins then that is a seperate arguement. FWIW, I can counter and say the the NFL commisoner is on record as saying NEs video gate had no affect on any of their playoff or SB games (see Inside NFL Bob Costas conversation); but regardless that has ZERO to do with what NE has done this year. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?If u put all that aside, do u have any evidence (other than sum1 who got their ### pounded and whined about it) that any of NEs wins THIS YEAR can be attributed to cheating?

Please present your evidence.

 

[-Crippler-]

I respectfully disagree. To quote myself from another thread:

Empirical evidence suggests that Belichick considers any lead less than 40 points unsafe if there is meaningfull time on the clock. From a selfish, uninformed perspective, I agree with him. At 38-0 I wanted more points on the board. At 45-0, I wanted Brady out.It is helpful interpreting Belichick's actions not in terms of an emotional desire to punish others [edited to add or willingness to jeopardize a SB run for the sake of a TD record] but as borderline paranoid behavior. I have no doubt that he FEARED a comeback until 45-0.

Anyone who thinks this way probably should go back to finish grade school. Not even the Patriots themselves would be able to come back from 38 points to win that game in that amount of time.I'm not saying they were running up the score...I'm just saying that I saw zero intelligence in your reasoning.

 

[GregR_2]

...However, when NE passed in the RZ while leading 38-0 with aprox 10 mins to go I have to admit that (even though I have Brady on 3 of my fantasy teams) I do not think it was the right thing to do. NE should have run the ball and in all likelyhood would have scored the td anyway....

Thanks for the post NE_REVIVAL. Nice to see someone who can view his team doing something poor and admit it. Way too many people just rubber stamping anything wrong their team does.

 

[Statorama]

One of these days, Brady is going to rub the wrong teams nose in it. The Redskins have no cajones, but some team is going to get a little ticked off when Brady is taking seven step drops during a 45-0 fourth quarter blowout and send him out on a stretcher. Wouldn't take much for a couple of 300 pounders to "play through the whistle" and make Brady a pancake.

Why because they have the class to not take a cheap shot?? I'm happy my team doesn't resort to bush league moves. Everyone trashes Bellicheck and the Patriots because they are "bush league" but then encourage plays like that?

I'm not saying pull a Charles Martin, but damn, let the guy know you're there. Give him a good hit every now and then.What I'm saying is, some Albert Haynesworth type mother is going to clothesline the hell out of Brady one of these days if the Patriots aren't careful. I'm talking full on "The Longest Yard" style.

 

[thayman]

One of these days, Brady is going to rub the wrong teams nose in it. The Redskins have no cajones, but some team is going to get a little ticked off when Brady is taking seven step drops during a 45-0 fourth quarter blowout and send him out on a stretcher. Wouldn't take much for a couple of 300 pounders to "play through the whistle" and make Brady a pancake.

Why because they have the class to not take a cheap shot?? I'm happy my team doesn't resort to bush league moves. Everyone trashes Bellicheck and the Patriots because they are "bush league" but then encourage plays like that?

I'm not saying pull a Charles Martin, but damn, let the guy know you're there. Give him a good hit every now and then.What I'm saying is, some Albert Haynesworth type mother is going to clothesline the hell out of Brady one of these days if the Patriots aren't careful. I'm talking full on "The Longest Yard" style.

I agree that some no account player will take a cheap shot, and when they do I hope they get a massive fine and suspension. I don't care what the reasons are, taking cheap shots like that is the epitome of Bush League.

 

[Statorama]

One of these days, Brady is going to rub the wrong teams nose in it. The Redskins have no cajones, but some team is going to get a little ticked off when Brady is taking seven step drops during a 45-0 fourth quarter blowout and send him out on a stretcher. Wouldn't take much for a couple of 300 pounders to "play through the whistle" and make Brady a pancake.

Why because they have the class to not take a cheap shot?? I'm happy my team doesn't resort to bush league moves. Everyone trashes Bellicheck and the Patriots because they are "bush league" but then encourage plays like that?

I'm not saying pull a Charles Martin, but damn, let the guy know you're there. Give him a good hit every now and then.What I'm saying is, some Albert Haynesworth type mother is going to clothesline the hell out of Brady one of these days if the Patriots aren't careful. I'm talking full on "The Longest Yard" style.

I agree that some no account player will take a cheap shot, and when they do I hope they get a massive fine and suspension. I don't care what the reasons are, taking cheap shots like that is the epitome of Bush League.

Exactly. There's a lot of guys out there that wouldn't have won any Lady Bing trophies if you know what I mean.I'm still shocked when Brady runs and he isn't just brutally hammered.

 

[bro1ncos]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

End of argument.

Not saying this is the end of the arguement, but points scored has affect in all NFL tiebreakers. So if that is the the case then I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. I remember a few years ago when the Pack and Panthers came down to the final game of the year and point differental was going to be the tiebreaker and it was close so both teams were trying to run up the score as much as possible. So these 10th or 11th tiebreakers can come into play.

 

[jabarony]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

So, after today, do you not wonder about previous allegations ?

No, I don't wonder because I have watched every game and I understood the rational behind the play calling. However, if you have a specifc instance in mind I am more than willing to discuss.

No, of course, I, like most, have no "specific" instances to discuss just as there is no "specific" answers to what was found or not ... hey , the PATS are likely the best there ever was, the problem you have is dealing with the baggage. Good luck.

I am not going to let u off that easy. If you want to put an asterisk next to all of NEs SB wins then that is a seperate arguement. FWIW, I can counter and say the the NFL commisoner is on record as saying NEs video gate had no affect on any of their playoff or SB games (see Inside NFL Bob Costas conversation); but regardless that has ZERO to do with what NE has done this year. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?If u put all that aside, do u have any evidence (other than sum1 who got their ### pounded and whined about it) that any of NEs wins THIS YEAR can be attributed to cheating?

Please present your evidence.

I agree. Everyone know BB turned in all the tapes he's piled up over the past 7 years. And the ones he didn't turn in self-destructed one week after their original taping. Therefore, it is obvious that since they stopped stealing the other teams' playcalling in week 1, there is no way they have any advantage whatsoever.Patriot-hatahs go home you losahs!

 

[thayman]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

End of argument.

Top AFC teams in no particular order.....Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Chargers. The Patriots play all 3 or them H2H is the first tie-breaker. So the argument of running up the score in order to secure a better playoff spot doesn't really work.

 

[urbanhack]

I like Brady's hat.

 

[thayman]

I like Brady's hat.

it was rather stylish.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Anyone who thinks this way probably should go back to finish grade school. Not even the Patriots themselves would be able to come back from 38 points to win that game in that amount of time.

I'm not saying they were running up the score...I'm just saying that I saw zero intelligence in your reasoning.

Then the other team should simply concede the game, or take every starter out of the game, or just take kneels. The reason why teams don't do this is precisely because there's always a 1 in a 1,000 or 1,000,000 shot of winning a game.. and they can't ignore that possibility. And we see these ridiculous comebacks every now and then.If the other team chooses not to concede, NE has every reason to remain competitive and not let up.

 

[thayman]

Anyone who thinks this way probably should go back to finish grade school. Not even the Patriots themselves would be able to come back from 38 points to win that game in that amount of time.

I'm not saying they were running up the score...I'm just saying that I saw zero intelligence in your reasoning.

Then the other team should simply concede the game, or take every starter out of the game, or just take kneels. The reason why teams don't do this is precisely because there's always a 1 in a 1,000 or 1,000,000 shot of winning a game.. and they can't ignore that possibility. And we see these ridiculous comebacks every now and then.If the other team chooses not to concede, NE has every reason to remain competitive and not let up.

Yeah but they are playing for a season, not one game. If Brady tweaked something and couldn't go next week would you have considered that a reason to let up?

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone who has paid attention over the last 7 years knows that I am as big a Pats fan as you will ever find. NE has falsely been accused of running up the score in the past and up until today, much like shooting fish in a barrell I can easily justify why NE did exactly what I want my HC and my team to do (bring it on if u think otherwise).

So, after today, do you not wonder about previous allegations ?

No, I don't wonder because I have watched every game and I understood the rational behind the play calling. However, if you have a specifc instance in mind I am more than willing to discuss.

No, of course, I, like most, have no "specific" instances to discuss just as there is no "specific" answers to what was found or not ... hey , the PATS are likely the best there ever was, the problem you have is dealing with the baggage. Good luck.

I am not going to let u off that easy. If you want to put an asterisk next to all of NEs SB wins then that is a seperate arguement. FWIW, I can counter and say the the NFL commisoner is on record as saying NEs video gate had no affect on any of their playoff or SB games (see Inside NFL Bob Costas conversation); but regardless that has ZERO to do with what NE has done this year. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?If u put all that aside, do u have any evidence (other than sum1 who got their ### pounded and whined about it) that any of NEs wins THIS YEAR can be attributed to cheating?

Please present your evidence.

I agree. Everyone know BB turned in all the tapes he's piled up over the past 7 years. And the ones he didn't turn in self-destructed one week after their original taping. Therefore, it is obvious that since they stopped stealing the other teams' playcalling in week 1, there is no way they have any advantage whatsoever.Patriot-hatahs go home you losahs!

U r a hater and I should not waste my time; but explain how even if BB had def signal tapes of every team in the NFL, just exactly does NE take advantage of that when all an opposing team has to do is A. change their signals or B. have 1 or 2 decoys sending in the signals?Hate if u want to hate, but your accusations are laughable