Leroy Hoard
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Teams playing NE will be all out to be the first to beat the unbeaten team. Teams playing MIA will be all out not to be the first to lose to the winless team.
Guess that New England vs Miami game at the end of the year should be close then.Teams playing NE will be all out to be the first to beat the unbeaten team. Teams playing MIA will be all out not to be the first to lose to the winless team.
Yes, close to their talent levels.Guess that New England vs Miami game at the end of the year should be close then.
Admittedly, the offense looked anemic against the Bills, but the offense (ie, removing the points the defense scored) put up 33-29-30-33 in their 4 other outings. Across all 5 games, the offense is averaging 27 ppg. All the missed kicks could have upped that by a point or two. I am not saying that the offense has been great, but I don't think they have been horrible. They just haven't been consistent. Brady throwing picks deep in the red zone in back-to-back games was atypical, especially since the throws were terrible. I won't argue with anyone saying they played a bunch of tomato can defenses and that they will need to do better against better teams.Offense continues to look marginal.
I agree that they won't go undefeated because teams just don't go undefeated. That being said, I don't see the defense falling off unless they see the injuries the offense has seen. But they still have a month for guys to get healthier before the series of stronger teams rolls in. If the offense continuous to score in the mid to upper 20's, I think the defense most weeks won't give up that many points.Pats fan here. They wont go undefeated. OL is too hurt right now, Wrs are beat up. D is making this team tho.
Well, it's down to NE or SF in the undefeated category. Maybe we should start a SF going 16-0 thread to be fair to them.Everyone seems to agree that NEP will not go undefeated... so there's 3 pages (and counting) of a NE to go Undefeated thread.
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Maybe it's just me being out of it, but the bottom tier of the NFL seems a lot more putrid this year than normal. It's like there are at least half a dozen teams that in a normal year would be drafting first overall. My Bills get to play a bunch of games against that crew so I'm not really complaining, but so does New England and there's just no serious doubt that that adds to their potential for an undefeated season. NYG, WAS, and MIA are all complete gimmies, and those aren't supposed to happen in the NFL.peaking too soon, and a butter soft schedule helps...
Both NE and BUF get MIA x 2, NYJ x 2, WAS, NYG, PIT, and CIN. That’s half a season worth of cupcakes.Maybe it's just me being out of it, but the bottom tier of the NFL seems a lot more putrid this year than normal. It's like there are at least half a dozen teams that in a normal year would be drafting first overall. My Bills get to play a bunch of games against that crew so I'm not really complaining, but so does New England and there's just no serious doubt that that adds to their potential for an undefeated season. NYG, WAS, and MIA are all complete gimmies, and those aren't supposed to happen in the NFL.
if you saw 2007's week 17 game v. NE where the Giants all but had the game won if not for a long bomb to Moss, you KNEW that the SB was going to be a coin toss at best. there was nothing improbable about it, the better team won, if they played 10 times NY beats them over and over. they couldnt stop the Giants front 7. I'll take 100 years of evidence to support the notion that it's impossible to go undefeated - only been done once. this NE is not special by any means, they've played such doormats as the Jets, Redskins, Steelers, Dolphins. how many wins between all of these teams combined? 1? 2? and people say this is the best NE defense they've ever had.LOL. c'mon now, I'll take any of the Willie McGuinnest/bruschii teams over this band of characters, any day of the week. this is a 12-4, 13-3 type team. nothing against that, they'll be the home field team for the playoffs - but they won't go undefeated.pretty funny to say they'll go undefeated on 9/9/2019 , after just going 1-0.The only thing Brady and Bill haven't done in their careers is go undefeated, with the giants improbable win stealing that from them. But what if this is the year? The Pats have a solid d, a great o line and studs at their skill positions.
What better way for the two best to go out than to utterly dominate the field?
The only diff in their schedules is:Both NE and BUF get MIA x 2, NYJ x 2, WAS, NYG, PIT, and CIN. That’s half a season worth of cupcakes.
How has this league become so pathetic?Both NE and BUF get MIA x 2, NYJ x 2, WAS, NYG, PIT, and CIN. That’s half a season worth of cupcakes.
Yes, main reason I got Buffalo Defense on my team.The only diff in their schedules is:
NE vs KC and HOU
BUF vs DEN and TEN
Buff schedule much easier than the Patriots.
It's one year. The league still has lots of parity compared to other professional leagues but ya this year does seem like lots of really good or really bad teams.How has this league become so pathetic?
Only a handfull of teams now considered "worthy opponents" and half the teams are complete garbage.
Here's the recent history of the win totals of the Bottom 8 teams in the league since free agency started. Basically, I added up the worst 8 records and am posting the combine win total for those 8 teams:How has this league become so pathetic?
Only a handfull of teams now considered "worthy opponents" and half the teams are complete garbage.
I just snagged the Jets D to pair with NE D.Yes, main reason I got Buffalo Defense on my team.
if you saw 2007's week 17 game v. NE where the Giants all but had the game won if not for a long bomb to Moss, you KNEW that the SB was going to be a coin toss at best. there was nothing improbable about it, the better team won, if they played 10 times NY beats them over and over. they couldnt stop the Giants front 7. I'll take 100 years of evidence to support the notion that it's impossible to go undefeated - only been done once. this NE is not special by any means, they've played such doormats as the Jets, Redskins, Steelers, Dolphins. how many wins between all of these teams combined? 1? 2? and people say this is the best NE defense they've ever had.LOL. c'mon now, I'll take any of the Willie McGuinnest/bruschii teams over this band of characters, any day of the week. this is a 12-4, 13-3 type team. nothing against that, they'll be the home field team for the playoffs - but they won't go undefeated.pretty funny to say they'll go undefeated on 9/9/2019 , after just going 1-0.
5 mins into the game it's gonna look like GB already won and the confetti cannons littered the field with yellow.If the Pats face the Packers in the Super Bowl, the refs are going to be totally confused about who they should be in the tank for.
Not an impossible thing. Jets are only about 4-1 underdogs, stranger things have happened in the NFL.Calling it now, Jets upset the Pats under the lights this week on MNF.
OK, maybe more of an impossible dream than calling a shot, but putting it out there nonetheless.
Laugh away.
If this happens you have to change your avatar to Johnny U. for a year.Stompin' Tom Connors said:Calling it now, Jets upset the Pats under the lights this week on MNF.
OK, maybe more of an impossible dream than calling a shot, but putting it out there nonetheless.
Laugh away.
I still just can't get ovet ESPN's Baltimore number. They're actually saying Baltimore should be favoured to beat them this week? The vegas spread is -4.5, how can anyone give NE a 42 percent chance to win that game?Anarchy99 said:After 8 weeks . . .
538:
BAL 52% . . . 51% . . . 54% . . . 61% . . . 60% . . . 56% . . . 57%
PHI 51% . . . 57% . . . 61% . . . 58% . . . 62% . . . 69% . . . 64%
DAL 71% . . . 69% . . . 69% . . . 77% . . . 79% . . . 77% . . . 77%
HOU 61% . . . 64% . . . 59% . . . 61% . . . 57% . . . 63% . . . 62%
KCC 61% . . . 60% . . . 58% . . . 65% . . . 71% . . . 70% . . . 72%
CIN 75% . . . 79% . . . 81% . . . 86% . . . 87% . . . 89% . . . 90%
BUF 80% . . . 79% . . . 78% . . . 79% . . . 80% . . . 80% . . . 84%
MIA 90% . . . 92% . . . 94% . . . 95% . . . 96% . . . 93% . . . 93%
0.64% . . . 1.1% . . . 1.3% . . . 3.9% . . . 4.9% . . . 7.3% . . . 8.8%
ESPN's FPI
BAL 42.4% . . . 53.0% . . . 54.1% . . . 62.1% . . . 61.6% . . . 60.9% . . . 62.3%
PHI 54.2% . . . 63.9% . . . 66.1% . . . 62.8% . . . 64.2% . . . 70.6% . . . 68%
DAL 72.3% . . . 74.9% . . . 73.9% . . . 75.3% . . . 75.9% . . . 74.9% . . . 75.3%
HOU 50.5% . . . 58.2% . . . 54.3% . . . 52.3% . . . 48.9% . . . 52.7% . . . 55.8%
KCC 58.2% . . . 60.6% . . . 60.0% . . . 63.7% . . . 64.6% . . . 63.4% . . . 65.5%
CIN 73.5% . . . 83.0% . . . 83.4% . . . 86.8% . . . 85.7% . . . 88.2% . . . 88.9%
BUF 83.3% . . . 85.4% . . . 86.1% . . . 86% . . . 85.3% . . . 88.4% . . . 90.6%
MIA 94.8% . . . 97.9% . . . 98.8% . . . 99% . . . 99.0% . . . 98.7% . . . 98.7%
0.53% . . . 2.0% . . . 2.3% . . . 3.9% . . . 4.8% . . . 7.0% . . . 9,3%
The 42% number was after Week 1 when the Ravens hung 59 points on the Dolphins. The column on the right is their current number (62.3%). I left the other weeks in to track how much the chances of winning each game changed.I still just can't get ovet ESPN's Baltimore number. They're actually saying Baltimore should be favoured to beat them this week? The vegas spread is -4.5, how can anyone give NE a 42 percent chance to win that game?
Ahhh that makes more sense now, my bad.The 42% number was after Week 1 when the Ravens hung 59 points on the Dolphins. The column on the right is their current number (62.3%). I left the other weeks in to track how much the chances of winning each game changed.
NFC is much much tougher then the AFCWell, it's down to NE or SF in the undefeated category. Maybe we should start a SF going 16-0 thread to be fair to them.
SFO has actually passed NE in adjusted scoring per game.NFC is much much tougher then the AFC
If you believe the math models and simulations, NE is only 8-9% to win out (at least according to 538 and ESPN . . . see above). I ran the numbers they used using SF instead, and 538 gives SF a 0.97% chance of going 16-0 while ESPN sees them at 2.89%.SF has been incredible, but their SOS remaining makes it much less likely for them to go undefeated. Seattle twice, Packers, Saints still come - undefeated is very unlikely. NE probably is 50/50 at this point to go undefeated?