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I was in one league that did deduct 2 points for missed FGs and XPs but we voted it out. It really is a double penalty for the same result, since in essense you are already losing the three points (or one) that the attempt should bring when the kick is missed.
Why INTs and not fumbles lost?
Unless you play in a TD only league this argument doesn't have much merit. You don't get points for running 10 yards, catching a pass, making a tackle in the NFL either
I think leagues do it beacuse its a "negative result", even though its not a negative score, much like some leagues will deduct points for an INT thrown, a sack taken or, in some leagues, an incompletion. So a kicker missing a FG might result in a lost point.I don't think its crazy to have it. I have played in a few leagues that do it. My biggest "gripe" about it is I prefer to play in leagues where I can easily check stats being broadcast and get an idea of what a player does. A missed FG is not typically included in that. Overall, I think its just preference. You could be lining up for a 50 yarder and that means +5 OR -1. That could definitely swing a fantasy game here or there.
We give more poitns for the longer the FG and deduct only 1 point for MXP and -2 for MFG < 40 yards.This has brought a little more value and put a little thought into picking a kicker without killing him for negative points. I mean missed < 40 and XP are rare so a little penalty helps mix things up.We may increase that to 45 since kicking has improved so much but to penalize for bombs we felt was unfair.Last year FG missed under 40 yards.301-312 = so 11 FGs total.I didn't check XP but I assume that is a low number also.
I would add negative points for drops too we actually could. We use a range for kicking and a kicker should be able to make a sub-30yd with regularity.
Agreed.My league penalizes -2 for missed XP and missed FG <= 39 yard. -1 for missed 40-49. Kicks >= 50 yds get extra bonus point and no penalty for misses.Negative points for negative plays (INTs, fumbles, sacks, etc.) make FF much more interesting IMO. No different than real life.
I just moved sites and my old one is no longer available but looking at my new oneMy top 5 kickers last yearAkers - 12.8Janik. - 11.6Bailey - 10.6Kasay - 10.3Gould - 10.1Overall - David Akers scored the same points as Ponder tied for 41st overall.I beleive these to be accurate if I set up the new scoring system correctly
If you penalize players for throwing INTs and losing fumbles, then penalizing players for missing FGs and XPs is completely justified.My league uses decimal scoring, and kickers receive 0.1 points for each yard of a FG made (46-yarder equals 4.6 points). Likewise, they lose 0.1 points for each yard of a FG missed, starting backwards at 50 yards. In other words, if a kicker misses a 50-yard or longer FG, they lose nothing. If they miss a 46-yarder, they lose 0.4 points. If they miss a 20-yarder, they lose 3.0 points.We also penalize for missed extra points. Missed XP equals losing a full point.
2011 Final Per Game Stats - Kickers1. David Akers ... 12.0 ppg2. Sebastian Janikowski ... 10.6 ppg3. John Kasay ... 9.8 ppg4. Mason Crosby ... 9.5 ppg5. Dan Bailey ... 9.3 ppgOther than defensive players (we start 9 IDPs each week), yes, kickers average the fewest points per game.
penalties are negative plays in the NFL..just not negative 'points'.sacks could be considered negative.
We go decimal scoring for kickers... really adds to their value... Plus can overcome for a lack of attempts1-30 : 3 pts each...31 + : take yardage and divide by 10 ....EX: 27 yard FG : 3 points 45 yard FG : 4.5 points
If I have to have a kicker - I want the 3 points + .1 for every yard over 30 yards scoring. And negative points for misses under 50, the longer the attempt the less points taken away. Harsh XP penalty.But of course, the league I have enjoyed the most is a hyper-competitive 14 team dynasty where we eliminated the K position in favor of an additional flex R/W/T spot.Kicker scoring is random year to year. As is kicker accuracy. I'll have to go find an article or two I've read that track it throughout multiple NFL seasons and link them here this weekend.
Someone... maybe Maurile... did an article or at least a post maybe 6+ years ago trying to correlate kicker scoring with other team statistics. To try to identify whether total yards gained, or 3rd efficiency, or what would be a good predictor of kicker scoring. If I remember correctly, there really wasn't any good one to one correlation.That said, I wonder if yardage points for distance favor strong-legged kickers like Seabass enough that you could correlate kicker rankings to leg strength in such a system. Or how strong the yardage points have to be before a meaningful correlation shows up. One of those things I've meant to investigate but haven't had the time.
