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Never bench your studs (1 Viewer)

Beau Tocks

Beau Tocks

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When it comes to the hard and fast rule of starting your studs always no matter the matchups, I find too big of a gray area here with that kind of mentality. You could have backups who are rather good and have very favorable matchups as well so the decision becomes quite a bit more clouded. Case in point, I have Brees as an obvious mainstay in my weekly lineups but my backup Dalton going against the Raidiers at home this week and Breesy playing them niners is just too attractive to pass up here this week not to make the switch.

Though this thinking might fly in the face of conventional wisdom let those conservative blue chipper manlovers be damned and let the perverbial dice roll for those now sitting on your bench with the juicy contests that now await.

This is not a WDIS thread but more of a WIGS (Who I'm Gonna Start!!).

Good Luck to those of you who will have the cajones to pull the trigger on the sexy subs these next few weeks. ;)

 
I did not bench a stud on Sunday and lost because of it. (Started Fitzgerald over Alexander and Shorts).

 
It's not because there's not a chance the non stud performs its because you'll feel like a real **** if he doesn't and the stud does.

 
Rather than subscribing to "never bench your studs", I look at it like this:

Will I be more pissed if I lose and I:

a) Sat my stud, started my hunch....and stud goes off.

b) Sat my hunch, started my stud....and my hunch goes off.

99.9% of the time I'm going to be more pissed that I sat my stud and he went off on my bench. So, I start my stud. Besides, they are the ones who got you there.

 
'Beau Tocks said:
When it comes to the hard and fast rule of starting your studs always no matter the matchups, I find too big of a gray area here with that kind of mentality. You could have backups who are rather good and have very favorable matchups as well so the decision becomes quite a bit more clouded. Case in point, I have Brees as an obvious mainstay in my weekly lineups but my backup Dalton going against the Raidiers at home this week and Breesy playing them niners is just too attractive to pass up here this week not to make the switch. Though this thinking might fly in the face of conventional wisdom let those conservative blue chipper manlovers be damned and let the perverbial dice roll for those now sitting on your bench with the juicy contests that now await. This is not a WDIS thread but more of a WIGS (Who I'm Gonna Start!!). Good Luck to those of you who will have the cajones to pull the trigger on the sexy subs these next few weeks. ;)
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Brees statline against San Francsco at Candlestick in last year's playoff game: 462-4-2. I'd take my chances with Bees in the SuperDome.
 
:popcorn:

This oughta be good :)

FWIW, NBYS is a lazy man's credo without merit, built on a foundation of superstition and poor analysis of the numbers.

If NBYS was an actual tried and true, proven axiom, then the game wouldn't be worth playing because we would know the result before the games were ever played, now wouldn't we?

In almost every serious league I have ever been a part of, there is almost always a story every year or two about a situation where some random guy gets a shot at playing just in time for the ff playoffs and wins a team a title. Usually its a backup RB like that Washington RB a few years ago that scored 2 TDs in week 14 or 15 (name with a Q I think). Or a story where a "stud" like AJ should have been benched because he faced Revis and had the guy played Santonio Holmes against a weak Colts secondary, he would have won his league.

 
'MAC_32 said:
One of these years we will get through a season without this thread.Maybe?
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Its tradition...like Thanksgiving.Its fun because it clearly outs which of us are playing the game week to week and which of us are sitting in the same exact spot on the couch, eating the exact same meal, wearing the same clothes every Sunday, going through the same pre-game rituals, turning our beer bottles labels out before kicks while rubbing our lucky beer bottle cap.
 
The whole bench your studs thing is alot like poker.

A higher percetnage of the time you do the correct play and you will win. The luck percentage factor is a constant over time.

Never bench your studs

 
'Shutout said:
:popcorn: This oughta be good :)FWIW, NBYS is a lazy man's credo without merit, built on a foundation of superstition and poor analysis of the numbers.If NBYS was an actual tried and true, proven axiom, then the game wouldn't be worth playing because we would know the result before the games were ever played, now wouldn't we? In almost every serious league I have ever been a part of, there is almost always a story every year or two about a situation where some random guy gets a shot at playing just in time for the ff playoffs and wins a team a title. Usually its a backup RB like that Washington RB a few years ago that scored 2 TDs in week 14 or 15 (name with a Q I think). Or a story where a "stud" like AJ should have been benched because he faced Revis and had the guy played Santonio Holmes against a weak Colts secondary, he would have won his league.
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NBYS deflects responsibility.
 
'Shutout said:
:popcorn: This oughta be good :)FWIW, NBYS is a lazy man's credo without merit, built on a foundation of superstition and poor analysis of the numbers.If NBYS was an actual tried and true, proven axiom, then the game wouldn't be worth playing because we would know the result before the games were ever played, now wouldn't we? In almost every serious league I have ever been a part of, there is almost always a story every year or two about a situation where some random guy gets a shot at playing just in time for the ff playoffs and wins a team a title. Usually its a backup RB like that Washington RB a few years ago that scored 2 TDs in week 14 or 15 (name with a Q I think). Or a story where a "stud" like AJ should have been benched because he faced Revis and had the guy played Santonio Holmes against a weak Colts secondary, he would have won his league.
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Of course there are times when the stud should have been benched! I could tell you anecdotal stories of guys benching their stud and having it blow up in their face.... Which is more likely?There is a reason some players are considered "studs". Personally, I think the term is over-used. True studs should rarely be benched. It does come down to team depth; health, match-ups, etc.
 
'Beau Tocks said:
When it comes to the hard and fast rule of starting your studs always no matter the matchups, I find too big of a gray area here with that kind of mentality. You could have backups who are rather good and have very favorable matchups as well so the decision becomes quite a bit more clouded. Case in point, I have Brees as an obvious mainstay in my weekly lineups but my backup Dalton going against the Raidiers at home this week and Breesy playing them niners is just too attractive to pass up here this week not to make the switch. Though this thinking might fly in the face of conventional wisdom let those conservative blue chipper manlovers be damned and let the perverbial dice roll for those now sitting on your bench with the juicy contests that now await. This is not a WDIS thread but more of a WIGS (Who I'm Gonna Start!!). Good Luck to those of you who will have the cajones to pull the trigger on the sexy subs these next few weeks. ;)
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I'm in a somewhat similar situation this week. Even though Kansas City has been playing poorly, I'm thinking of benching Peyton Manning for Andrew Luck at home against Buffalo. Before anyone declares me crazy, I checked out Peyton's history against Romeo Crennel defenses and it's consistently sub par for PM standards. Meanwhile, Luck plays better at home and he gets the crappy Bills defense (last week's performance against Miami nonwithstanding).
 
Kudos to you for having the balls to do it, I am benching Stafford this week for Capernick or Henne, whichever I get from the BB waivers.

 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont care if Drew Brees is playing the 1970's Steel Curtain defense at home. Im starting him in the Dome
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No kidding. Unless your backup is Aaron Rodgers vs anyone in your 2 team league, Drew Brees is one of the players in the 'never bench' category. Remember Brady vs the blizzard game? He carved up that D. Wasn't it Chicago? With Brees, you start him and if you go down with the ship so be it. You won't look foolish. Bench him and he goes off, you look like the biggest fool ever.
 
'doowain said:
Rather than subscribing to "never bench your studs", I look at it like this:Will I be more pissed if I lose and I:a) Sat my stud, started my hunch....and stud goes off.b) Sat my hunch, started my stud....and my hunch goes off.99.9% of the time I'm going to be more pissed that I sat my stud and he went off on my bench. So, I start my stud. Besides, they are the ones who got you there.
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This. Sometimes, you will be wrong. I'd also add a footnote to this statement.The term "stud" gets assigned to players way too easily. If you use very strict criteria to determine what you consider a "stud", you'll be able to reduce the list of players you just can't bench.
 
This is a compelling, lucid, thoughtful case for being willing to bench your studs...

Overruled.

Never bench your studs.

 
'DiStefano said:
'Shutout said:
'hamster_13 said:
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont care if Drew Brees is playing the 1970's Steel Curtain defense at home. Im starting him in the Dome
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I'm benching Brees for the first time this year for Luck :P
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Outside of a bye week, i can't remember the last time I benched Brees.
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P####. NEVER bench your studs.
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Not saying NEVER. Just saying its a case by case and not an absolute. Just saying, in the case of Brees, I haven't found a reason to bench him. Of course, a lot of other things go into making that decision; such as the fact that my backups over the years have been TJAX and colt McCoy and Donovan McNabb. Its really more like "just play your best option for that week." Brees has been my best option.
 
'lod01 said:
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont care if Drew Brees is playing the 1970's Steel Curtain defense at home. Im starting him in the Dome
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No kidding. Unless your backup is Aaron Rodgers vs anyone in your 2 team league, Drew Brees is one of the players in the 'never bench' category. Remember Brady vs the blizzard game? He carved up that D. Wasn't it Chicago? With Brees, you start him and if you go down with the ship so be it. You won't look foolish. Bench him and he goes off, you look like the biggest fool ever.
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It was Tennessee, and it wasn't that surprising because snow favors the offense. Wind and rain favor the defense, although after the rain stops (when the field is still wet), the advantage returns to the offense.
 
When Rodgers played the Bears I thought about benching him but didnt and it cost me a win that week. So when he revisits the Bears in Week 15 I have the option of playing Freeman against NO. Would I be crazy for doing that? Absolutely not.

 
'Chazzhawk said:
Kudos to you for having the balls to do it, I am benching Stafford this week for Capernick or Henne, whichever I get from the BB waivers.
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You do know that this guy, whoever he is, hasn't been named the starter yet right?

And Stafford is far from a stud.

 
Keep in mind the Bears offense is below average and made the 49ers D look better than their average this season. Other NFC teams like the Giants, Packers, and even the Rams were able to drop some points on them. The Saints are going to score more than 7 points in the Dome. Dalton is a good start too this week, but Brees is unbenchable.

 
If you are considering not starting a player, and they are not currently injured, he is not a stud. It's that simple.

Studs are match proof, close to a lock at a certain number of points each week, and generally the best player on their team. Too many people associate "stud" with draft position or potential when it has nothing to do with either. It's all about consistantly good numbers pretty much every week.

 
I bench people that others would consider"studs" quite regularly...but only when I'm confident that I have a bigger stud (for that week at least) that I can replace them with.

I occasionally get burnt by it (benched Nicks in week 2 this year), but I also profit from it quite a bit (benched Matt Ryan for Carson Palmer this week). It really just comes down to how risk averse you are, and if you're willing to take the ribbing from your friends when you start Daniel Thomas over Matt Forte.

A lot of it depends on your definition of a stud player though. This year, that list is really small for me. At QB, I have Brees, Brady, Rodgers. At RB, I have Arian Foster and Adrian Peterson. At WR I have AJ Green, Percy Harvin, and Brandon Marshall. At TE, I have Graham and Witten (after the Gronk injury).

That's it for me. Anyone else is benchable if they have a terrible matchup and someone else on my roster has a great one.

 
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'duaneok66 said:
'jeeb said:
'Mentos said:
I did not bench a stud on Sunday and lost because of it. (Started Fitzgerald over Alexander and Shorts).
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In what multiverse is Fitzgerald still a stud? :confused:
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in terms of talent, the guy is top 3 in the NFL. Come on people.
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How many fantasy points do you get for 'talent'? Fitz was wr24 going into week 11. Thats not a stud. Nothing against Fitz, its the reality of his situation.
 
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'Mentos said:
I did not bench a stud on Sunday and lost because of it. (Started Fitzgerald over Alexander and Shorts).
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In what multiverse is Fitzgerald still a stud? :confused:
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The one in which people on this forum told me he is a stud and suggested I start him over Shorts this past Sunday. Fitzgerald will now sit on my bench for the rest of the season. He has not helped me in any of my six wins in the league in which he is on my roster. Thankfully, I did not draft him in my other leagues. I am going to the playoffs in those. Fitzgerald may cost me a playoff spot in the one league.

 
Never bench your studs is a good rule.

The problem is that people do not really know how to accurately define a "stud."

So it's not the rule that's the problem ;) .

 
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'Mentos said:
'jeeb said:
'Mentos said:
I did not bench a stud on Sunday and lost because of it. (Started Fitzgerald over Alexander and Shorts).
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In what multiverse is Fitzgerald still a stud? :confused:
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The one in which people on this forum told me he is a stud and suggested I start him over Shorts this past Sunday. Fitzgerald will now sit on my bench for the rest of the season. He has not helped me in any of my six wins in the league in which he is on my roster. Thankfully, I did not draft him in my other leagues. I am going to the playoffs in those. Fitzgerald may cost me a playoff spot in the one league.
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:tshirt:
 
'Beau Tocks said:
When it comes to the hard and fast rule of starting your studs always no matter the matchups, I find too big of a gray area here with that kind of mentality. You could have backups who are rather good and have very favorable matchups as well so the decision becomes quite a bit more clouded. Case in point, I have Brees as an obvious mainstay in my weekly lineups but my backup Dalton going against the Raidiers at home this week and Breesy playing them niners is just too attractive to pass up here this week not to make the switch. Though this thinking might fly in the face of conventional wisdom let those conservative blue chipper manlovers be damned and let the perverbial dice roll for those now sitting on your bench with the juicy contests that now await. This is not a WDIS thread but more of a WIGS (Who I'm Gonna Start!!). Good Luck to those of you who will have the cajones to pull the trigger on the sexy subs these next few weeks. ;)
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
'Beau Tocks said:
When it comes to the hard and fast rule of starting your studs always no matter the matchups, I find too big of a gray area here with that kind of mentality. You could have backups who are rather good and have very favorable matchups as well so the decision becomes quite a bit more clouded. Case in point, I have Brees as an obvious mainstay in my weekly lineups but my backup Dalton going against the Raidiers at home this week and Breesy playing them niners is just too attractive to pass up here this week not to make the switch. Though this thinking might fly in the face of conventional wisdom let those conservative blue chipper manlovers be damned and let the perverbial dice roll for those now sitting on your bench with the juicy contests that now await. This is not a WDIS thread but more of a WIGS (Who I'm Gonna Start!!). Good Luck to those of you who will have the cajones to pull the trigger on the sexy subs these next few weeks. ;)
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This is a risk averse play, and if that is your style, then that's okay, but let's not masquerade it as a "never benching your stud is bogus" thread.
 
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