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[sholditch]

Sep 6 The charges brought against Boston will be pursued by the Pinellas Park police starting Thursday, the Tampa Tribune reports.

Recommendation: Despite passing his breathalyzer test at the scene of the crime on August 23, a urine sample turned up at least one illegal substance. Boston was found asleep at the wheel of his car on the day in question and has been practicing with the Bucs since then. The team has yet to release a statement on the matter. "Once we get some information we'll move on accordingly,'' head coach Jon Gruden said. "We'll see for ourselves exactly what is going on with this case, and we'll react accordingly.''

OK, we all know Gruden is not a disciplinarian, but seeing as how this guy was so much on the bubble in the first place, does this kill his value? What are Boston owners doing? Hold or cut for Crayton or someone similar?

 

[CrossEyed]

Dump him. I did.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

O/U on pages, 6

drop this bum already. If something is found Roger will suspend him regardless of what chucky wants

 

[AnonymousBob]

This has already had its own thread and it's been mentioned in the Boston lovefest. Can we merge this?

Also, Crayton is already owned in my league so I'm going to stand pat with Boston until we get more information. We don't know what this alleged illegal substance is.

 

[Sopranos]

This could get interesting. It wasnt an NFL drug test.I wonder how this will be treated..

 

[perry147]

This could get interesting. It wasnt an NFL drug test.I wonder how this will be treated..

 

[switz]

This could get interesting. It wasnt an NFL drug test.I wonder how this will be treated..

NFL drug test found nothing. Boston volunteere a blood test, wouldn't have done so if he was on something. His urine test initially came back negative, then wwas delayed twice on retesting, presumably because it also came back negative.Count me in on the side of those who think this will get thrown out of court. All the lawyer has to do is question the qualifications of the test, ask for calibrations of all the test equipment, ask how well they followed QA procedures, what guarantees Boston's urine didn't accidentally get swapped with somoeone elses, why the test took so long, etc. There's no way this case stands up in court.

 

[Otis]

Whatever they found, if it isn't a banned substance in the NFL, why would he be in trouble with the NFL?

 

[mad sweeney]

Whatever they found, if it isn't a banned substance in the NFL, why would he be in trouble with the NFL?

If it's illegal then you get in trouble. It's actually better of for Boston if it's not a banned NFL substance, just an illegal drug since the penalties are harsher. But considering his history and tenuous hold on a job, any strike against him could be his last.

 

[GregR_2]

Whatever they found, if it isn't a banned substance in the NFL, why would he be in trouble with the NFL?

Because the NFL had a personal conduct policy, and getting in trouble with the law violates it. Regardless if they got in trouble with them for something banned by the league or not.

 

[Ozymandias]

It was probably water. It is illegal to carry more than 4 ounces of water on to a plane, and Boston did say he was headed for the airport.

 

[Capella]

This could get interesting. It wasnt an NFL drug test.I wonder how this will be treated..

NFL drug test found nothing. Boston volunteere a blood test, wouldn't have done so if he was on something. His urine test initially came back negative, then wwas delayed twice on retesting, presumably because it also came back negative.Count me in on the side of those who think this will get thrown out of court. All the lawyer has to do is question the qualifications of the test, ask for calibrations of all the test equipment, ask how well they followed QA procedures, what guarantees Boston's urine didn't accidentally get swapped with somoeone elses, why the test took so long, etc. There's no way this case stands up in court.

ok. glad you have this all figured out.

 

[Da Guru]

They have to find something, otherwise that cop looks like a jackass!

 

[DoubleG]

They have to find something, otherwise that cop looks like a jackass!

Oh good, we have the requisit conspiracy theorists posting in the thread too. Add Maurice Stovall and relax.

 

[Dirk Digler]

it's codiene or some other pain killers which NFL players routinely chew up like candy.

 

[FavreCo]

Could they be grasping at 'it's illegal to be driving while having this 'substance' in your system'? Are there drugs of that nature that are considered legal unless you are driving with them in your system....like alcohol is at a certain level?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Really sounds like Pinellas Park is trying to save face...he passed the field sobriety test, he wasn't drunk...they send the urine sample out to some nuclear testing facility and wait how long for the results to come back? Any lawyer will get this tossed out of court and Boston should file discrimination charges against PP Police. I had a St Pete officer pull me over 1 time while I was near my apartment...I was drunk and pulled out of a gas station with no lights on at 2 AM...he let me go and to this day I think it's because I was white and he was white and about my age.

 

[Club Leftwich]

Jimmy Smith got no punishment from the league the first time cops found coke in his system (but no coke on him or in his car). He got suspended when he failed a league test later. That was under the old commish though.

 

[The Moz]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed !

Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

 

[DoubleG]

Jimmy Smith got no punishment from the league the first time cops found coke in his system (but no coke on him or in his car). He got suspended when he failed a league test later. That was under the old commish though.

Do not underestimate this point.

 

[glock]

Jimmy Smith got no punishment from the league the first time cops found coke in his system (but no coke on him or in his car). He got suspended when he failed a league test later. That was under the old commish though.

Do not underestimate this point.

Yeah- this commish is changing the NFL logo. Brrrr...

 

[Foosball God]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

So question...?

Is it standard for the police to re-test someone's urine 3-4x when it keeps coming up negative?

 

[switz]

Duke Lacrosse player attorneys are seeking $30 million in a defamation of character civil lawsuit from the city of Durham from the false allegations in the Duke rape case.

I wonder if this has anything to do with how intent the Fla police are to prove something merited arresting Boston.

 

[DoubleG]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

Hey now, don't go interjecting fact and common sense here. This thread is about wild speculation and conspiracy theories only. You miss the memo?

 

[switz]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

Hey now, don't go interjecting fact and common sense here. This thread is about wild speculation and conspiracy theories only. You miss the memo?

Hey, my wife got a ticket because she was driving after taking Sudafed.

 

[faulkfan]

They have to find something, otherwise that cop looks like a jackass!

Lets be honest here, the cop looks like a jackass no matter what in this case. His superiors should beat him about the head and shoulders with a ####ty diaper for how poorly he handled that situation. If you're going to arrest the guy then just do it, don't make him jump through hoops first. Oh, and don't deny him his legal right to representation.I like Boston and I still didn't pick him in a 12 team keeper league with a 19 man roster (no one else did either) so that should give you an idea of what I think of his value. I am glad to wait and see if he gets on the field and how he performs to make this decision. If he ends up playing and someone else gets him before me I'm betting that his numbers aren't so impressive as to be of any real concern to me.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

They have to find something, otherwise that cop looks like a jackass!

Lets be honest here, the cop looks like a jackass no matter what in this case. His superiors should beat him about the head and shoulders with a ####ty diaper for how poorly he handled that situation. If you're going to arrest the guy then just do it, don't make him jump through hoops first. Oh, and don't deny him his legal right to representation.

This has been beaten to death. Subjectively, the cop appeared obnoxious. Objectively, I've seen no credible argument that he didn't go by the book. From what I can tell, he was in no obligation to delay the test in order to give Boston time to call his lawyer.At any rate, this whole thing does seem fishy and I'd give 3-1 odds that Boston comes out unscathed by the NFL.

 

[mad sweeney]

Duke Lacrosse player attorneys are seeking $30 million in a defamation of character civil lawsuit from the city of Durham from the false allegations in the Duke rape case.

I wonder if this has anything to do with how intent the Fla police are to prove something merited arresting Boston.

Wouldn't dragging it out and insisting they have something and proceeding with charges make it even worse if they do indeed have nothing?

 

[glock]

So question...?Is it standard for the police to re-test someone's urine 3-4x when it keeps coming up negative?

As many times as it takes to pull a false positive.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Crayon Add

Boston Drop

Well, midnight strikes for cinderella

 

[Ozymandias]

Crayon AddBoston DropWell, midnight strikes for cinderella

The good thing about Crayon is that it's erasable.

 

[Foosball God]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

Hey now, don't go interjecting fact and common sense here. This thread is about wild speculation and conspiracy theories only. You miss the memo?

Hey, my wife got a ticket because she was driving after taking Sudafed.

I'm not denying that Sudafed could make you drowsy and affect your driving. I'm saying Ephedrine would not be an illegal drug if it showed up on a blood test.

 

[Jaysus]

I was drunk and pulled out of a gas station with no lights on at 2 AM...

Driving drunk, cheating on the wife.... you are one quality human being my friend. Quality.

 

[geoff8695]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

Hey now, don't go interjecting fact and common sense here. This thread is about wild speculation and conspiracy theories only. You miss the memo?

Hey, my wife got a ticket because she was driving after taking Sudafed.

I'm not denying that Sudafed could make you drowsy and affect your driving. I'm saying Ephedrine would not be an illegal drug if it showed up on a blood test.

Keep in mind that one can be 'under the influence' of an over the counter drug and still be charged and convicted of DUI for impaired driving. That's why the drug company puts the small print is on the packaging warning against operating heavy machinery and/or driving while taking their product.

 

[az_prof]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

Hey now, don't go interjecting fact and common sense here. This thread is about wild speculation and conspiracy theories only. You miss the memo?

Hey, my wife got a ticket because she was driving after taking Sudafed.

I'm not denying that Sudafed could make you drowsy and affect your driving. I'm saying Ephedrine would not be an illegal drug if it showed up on a blood test.

Keep in mind that one can be 'under the influence' of an over the counter drug and still be charged and convicted of DUI for impaired driving. That's why the drug company puts the small print is on the packaging warning against operating heavy machinery and/or driving while taking their product.

Keep in mind that if the cops and city continue to pursue this it will go to court; and I can't see a jury of his peers convicting Boston for having too much Sudafed in his system, especially when you see him on that tape looking perfectly cogent.

 

[mad sweeney]

Heard it was Ephedrine -- you know like sudafed ! Cops have absolutley NOTHING at all here. Whoever the chief was messed up - he should have just appologized to DB for mistaken DUI arrest and His officer made a mistake - and that would of been it.

Sudafed is not illegal.

Hey now, don't go interjecting fact and common sense here. This thread is about wild speculation and conspiracy theories only. You miss the memo?

Hey, my wife got a ticket because she was driving after taking Sudafed.

I'm not denying that Sudafed could make you drowsy and affect your driving. I'm saying Ephedrine would not be an illegal drug if it showed up on a blood test.

Keep in mind that one can be 'under the influence' of an over the counter drug and still be charged and convicted of DUI for impaired driving. That's why the drug company puts the small print is on the packaging warning against operating heavy machinery and/or driving while taking their product.

Keep in mind that if the cops and city continue to pursue this it will go to court; and I can't see a jury of his peers convicting Boston for having too much Sudafed in his system, especially when you see him on that tape looking perfectly cogent.

Has it been confirmed that ephedra or Sudafed was the drug? Only reference to it I've seen is a poster saying "I heard it was..."

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I was drunk and pulled out of a gas station with no lights on at 2 AM...

Driving drunk, cheating on the wife.... you are one quality human being my friend. Quality.

Was like 10 years ago, and I don't drive drunk at all anymore...Jaysus it must be so nice to be perfect and odor free such as yourself.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I was drunk and pulled out of a gas station with no lights on at 2 AM...

Driving drunk, cheating on the wife.... you are one quality human being my friend. Quality.

Was like 10 years ago, and I don't drive drunk at all anymore...Jaysus it must be so nice to be perfect and odor free such as yourself.

Regular bathing and deodorant helps.

 

[Otis]

Something is definitely amiss here. After all this time and press, if it came back positive, what reason does the police department have not to release the info on whatever the substance is? It would vindicate them.

This is so stupid.

 

[Footballhead]

The lesson here is if asked for urine sample. don't give a buckett full.

 

[Da Guru]

I am wondering if I got pulled over by my local police dept..passed a sobiety test, passed the first urine test..would they still be pursuing a case against me?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Did`nt boston beat a drug charge while he was with arizona? Maybe this is them trying to make up for that one getting dropped?

 

[mad sweeney]

I am wonderinf if I got pulled over by my local police dept..passed a sobiety test, passed the first urine test..would they still be pursuing a case against me?

Probably only if they had to wake you up from being passed out in the driving lane with the car in gear and no idea where you were plus being miles past where you say you were headed. And your eyes were doing the jitterbug. If they had actually pulled Boston over, I would be solidly in the overly excessive camp, but they didn't. He was passed out at a red light. I think people tend to forget that when looking at this case.

 

[DoubleG]

Sep 6 The charges brought against Boston will be pursued by the Pinellas Park police starting Thursday, the Tampa Tribune reports.

Recommendation: Despite passing his breathalyzer test at the scene of the crime on August 23, a urine sample turned up at least one illegal substance. Boston was found asleep at the wheel of his car on the day in question and has been practicing with the Bucs since then. The team has yet to release a statement on the matter. "Once we get some information we'll move on accordingly,'' head coach Jon Gruden said. "We'll see for ourselves exactly what is going on with this case, and we'll react accordingly.''

OK, we all know Gruden is not a disciplinarian, but seeing as how this guy was so much on the bubble in the first place, does this kill his value? What are Boston owners doing? Hold or cut for Crayton or someone similar?

For those hypothesizing that it's Sudafed, please note the bolded part in the OP. Sudafed is not illegal. If the substance (or substances?) is illegal (whether it's on the list of NFL banned substances or not) - odds are, Boston will see some time off, due to a code of conduct violation. Whether that comes sooner or later is anyone's guess. If the OP's source is correct (and I'm not saying it is) - then it looks like there is a high probability of suspension.

 

[Tom Baker]

I am wonderinf if I got pulled over by my local police dept..passed a sobiety test, passed the first urine test..would they still be pursuing a case against me?

Probably only if they had to wake you up from being passed out in the driving lane with the car in gear and no idea where you were plus being miles past where you say you were headed. And your eyes were doing the jitterbug. If they had actually pulled Boston over, I would be solidly in the overly excessive camp, but they didn't. He was passed out at a red light. I think people tend to forget that when looking at this case.

Nobody's forgetting this. Believe me. With you here to remind us every ten minutes, no one has forgotten. Jesus . . .

 

[mad sweeney]

I am wonderinf if I got pulled over by my local police dept..passed a sobiety test, passed the first urine test..would they still be pursuing a case against me?

Probably only if they had to wake you up from being passed out in the driving lane with the car in gear and no idea where you were plus being miles past where you say you were headed. And your eyes were doing the jitterbug. If they had actually pulled Boston over, I would be solidly in the overly excessive camp, but they didn't. He was passed out at a red light. I think people tend to forget that when looking at this case.

Nobody's forgetting this. Believe me. With you here to remind us every ten minutes, no one has forgotten. Jesus . . .

Trying to get another thread locked? The poster asked about being pulled over, I reminded him that Boston was not pulled over. No need for you to come in and get pissy and try to make it argumentative.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

Something is definitely amiss here. After all this time and press, if it came back positive, what reason does the police department have not to release the info on whatever the substance is?

If the police are the ones releasing information confirming that there was something discovered what is the reason for not revealing what it was?

 

[AnonymousBob]

There's more speculation going on in this thread than what goes on over at PFT.

 

[ThinGrayLine]

I am wonderinf if I got pulled over by my local police dept..passed a sobiety test, passed the first urine test..would they still be pursuing a case against me?

Probably only if they had to wake you up from being passed out in the driving lane with the car in gear and no idea where you were plus being miles past where you say you were headed. And your eyes were doing the jitterbug. If they had actually pulled Boston over, I would be solidly in the overly excessive camp, but they didn't. He was passed out at a red light. I think people tend to forget that when looking at this case.

Good point. It's easier to criticize the police than it is to consider what led up to Boston's arrest. As far as passing the field sobriety tests, it looked to me like he failed the two standardized tests (the walk and turn test and the one legged stand.)Edit: After watching the video it blows my mind anyone would think the cop was rude or obnoxious. He was completely professional.