What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

New Dynasty Draft - Vets only (1 Viewer)

Pick Ovr Selection Date/Time Comments1.09 9. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Fri Mar 9 12:39:55 p.m. CT 20072.01 13. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Mar 9 2:01:22 p.m. CT 20072.04 16. Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Mar 9 2:50:16 p.m. CT 20072.10 22. Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 3:17:40 p.m. CT 2007 :shock: :shock: :shock: 4.06 42. Barber, Marion DAL RB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007 7.11 83. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR ® Sun Mar 11 9:37:39 p.m. CT 2007
Real solid squad there. He'll have to add some WRs, but he's off to a good start. The first four picks are proven stars. I personally would have had a little trouble taking Barber that high, but he has the potential to justify it if he ever becomes a starter. The presence of Rudi and Westbrook on the roster means he can probably afford to be patient. Holmes is looking like a quality value this year.
ummm, that's not a team. I believe that's a list of his 'good' picks from the draft.
 
Pick Ovr Selection Date/Time Comments1.09 9. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Fri Mar 9 12:39:55 p.m. CT 20072.01 13. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Mar 9 2:01:22 p.m. CT 20072.04 16. Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Mar 9 2:50:16 p.m. CT 20072.10 22. Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 3:17:40 p.m. CT 2007 :shock: :shock: :shock: 4.06 42. Barber, Marion DAL RB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007 7.11 83. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR ® Sun Mar 11 9:37:39 p.m. CT 2007
Real solid squad there. He'll have to add some WRs, but he's off to a good start. The first four picks are proven stars. I personally would have had a little trouble taking Barber that high, but he has the potential to justify it if he ever becomes a starter. The presence of Rudi and Westbrook on the roster means he can probably afford to be patient. Holmes is looking like a quality value this year.
ummm, that's not a team. I believe that's a list of his 'good' picks from the draft.
:bag:
 
Crenshaw Gangbangers totally had me:LaDanian TomlinsonPeyton ManningReggie WayneAnd then totally lost me:Ladell BettsRandy MossJake CutlerVincent JacksonI don't mind grabbing Manning in the 2nd, but when L.Betts becomes your #2 RB, you don't have the flexibility to reach for a 2nd QB.
Betts is a big :yes: with Norwood on the board. If you're going to draft a backup make it one who'll probably have a starting job by next year.Moss was ok, I wouldn't do it but if you're going to go out a limb for someone he's the one. Cutler was a bad move, with it being a TE-required league he should have known that there'd be a run on TE's before he'd pick again.
 
This is a new Dynasty start up draft, PPR, vets only. Rookie draft to follow the NFL draft.Thought some might have one coming up and be interested. this is the first 9 rounds, I can post more if anyone is actually interested.Youth was definitely the flavor here...

Code:
Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments 1.05 5. BIG FISH Gore, Frank SFO RB Fri Mar 9 10:03:45 a.m. CT 2007 2.08 20. BIG FISH Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Fri Mar 9 3:12:07 p.m. CT 2007 3.05 29. BIG FISH Johnson, Andre HOU WR Fri Mar 9 4:02:57 p.m. CT 2007  4.08 44. BIG FISH Harrison, Marvin IND WR Sat Mar 10 7:23:27 a.m. CT 2007 5.05 53. BIG FISH Owens, Terrell DAL WR Sat Mar 10 1:23:40 p.m. CT 2007 6.02 62. BIG FISH Jordan, Lamont OAK RB Sun Mar 11 12:55:48 p.m. CT 2007 8.02 86. BIG FISH Lewis, Jamal BAL RB Mon Mar 12 10:06:41 a.m. CT 2007 9.11 107. BIG FISH Rhodes, Dominic IND RB Tue Mar 13 12:35:49 p.m. CT 2007
That's a win now team.
I would have liked to go younger but the value kept dropping to me with older player.I like all my picks until Rhodes also(I just wanted to lock up that powerhouse Oaktown backfield).here are my 10th and 11th round picksMcMichael, Randy MIA TE 10.08 Williams, Reggie JAC WR 11.05 Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1Def 1K 1flex RB/WR/TE.....1 PPR
I hate skimping on TE in a TE-required league, especially PPR. There just aren't that many guys that you can count on and McMichael is going to a bad team for TE's (I don't think they've had a TE catch even 40 passes since they've been in STL).
 
I don't get the page 1 comments about Travis Henry going early. HE's a talented back who is finally playing in an insanely successful running back system. Why wouldn't he end up having an enormous season like the TD's, Mike Anderson's, Olandis Gary's, and Reuben Droughns (sp) before him? I'd say he's 2nd only to TD on that list in talent.

I think Henry has a monstrous season.

 
9.08 104. Colts Win Branch, Deion SEA WR Tue Mar 13 12:15:54 p.m. CT 2007

This is my favorite value pick of the draft. If Jackson leaves, I will like it even more.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I don't get the page 1 comments about Travis Henry going early. HE's a talented back who is finally playing in an insanely successful running back system. Why wouldn't he end up having an enormous season like the TD's, Mike Anderson's, Olandis Gary's, and Reuben Droughns (sp) before him? I'd say he's 2nd only to TD on that list in talent. I think Henry has a monstrous season.
Personally I had no problem with where he was drafted. I passed on him because I don't like Shanny, and you never know what he'll do. Denver could (and rpobably will) draft a RB somewherre in the draft. Only Shanny knows what that will mean. None of those guys you mentioned since TD ever had a second season did they? Shanny is evil, I want nothing to do with him.
 
Pick Ovr Selection Date/Time Comments1.09 9. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Fri Mar 9 12:39:55 p.m. CT 20072.01 13. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Mar 9 2:01:22 p.m. CT 20072.04 16. Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Mar 9 2:50:16 p.m. CT 20072.10 22. Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 3:17:40 p.m. CT 2007 :unsure: :D :no: 4.06 42. Barber, Marion DAL RB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007 7.11 83. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR ® Sun Mar 11 9:37:39 p.m. CT 2007
Real solid squad there. He'll have to add some WRs, but he's off to a good start. The first four picks are proven stars. I personally would have had a little trouble taking Barber that high, but he has the potential to justify it if he ever becomes a starter. The presence of Rudi and Westbrook on the roster means he can probably afford to be patient. Holmes is looking like a quality value this year.
MB3 is the SOD.He did quite well, but he needs WR help.
 
Pick Ovr Selection Date/Time Comments1.09 9. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Fri Mar 9 12:39:55 p.m. CT 20072.01 13. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Mar 9 2:01:22 p.m. CT 20072.04 16. Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Mar 9 2:50:16 p.m. CT 20072.10 22. Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 3:17:40 p.m. CT 2007 :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: 4.06 42. Barber, Marion DAL RB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007 7.11 83. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR ® Sun Mar 11 9:37:39 p.m. CT 2007
Real solid squad there. He'll have to add some WRs, but he's off to a good start. The first four picks are proven stars. I personally would have had a little trouble taking Barber that high, but he has the potential to justify it if he ever becomes a starter. The presence of Rudi and Westbrook on the roster means he can probably afford to be patient. Holmes is looking like a quality value this year.
MB3 is the SOD.He did quite well, but he needs WR help.
Jeff, you're bullish on MB3, but not everyone is quite so optimistic about him right now. I'd lump him in with someone like Michael Turner or Ladell Betts. He has more value than those guys because he should get more playing time, but they all fall into the category of "good players who aren't starters." Now maybe MB3 will get the nod over Julius, but I find it tough to believe he'll get the touches necessary to be anything better than a RB2 next year.
 
Pick Ovr Selection Date/Time Comments

1.09 9. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Fri Mar 9 12:39:55 p.m. CT 2007

2.01 13. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Mar 9 2:01:22 p.m. CT 2007

2.04 16. Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Mar 9 2:50:16 p.m. CT 2007

2.10 22. Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 3:17:40 p.m. CT 2007 :bag: :D :angry:

4.06 42. Barber, Marion DAL RB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007

7.11 83. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR ® Sun Mar 11 9:37:39 p.m. CT 2007
Real solid squad there. He'll have to add some WRs, but he's off to a good start. The first four picks are proven stars. I personally would have had a little trouble taking Barber that high, but he has the potential to justify it if he ever becomes a starter. The presence of Rudi and Westbrook on the roster means he can probably afford to be patient. Holmes is looking like a quality value this year.
MB3 is the SOD.
:yes: And...how did no one see this blunder?

4.05 41. Brees, Drew NOS QB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007

4th round? Are you kidding me? Someone took VY ahead of him? HAHAHA.

 
Pick Ovr Selection Date/Time Comments

1.09 9. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Fri Mar 9 12:39:55 p.m. CT 2007

2.01 13. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Mar 9 2:01:22 p.m. CT 2007

2.04 16. Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Mar 9 2:50:16 p.m. CT 2007

2.10 22. Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 3:17:40 p.m. CT 2007 :shock: :shock: :shock:

4.06 42. Barber, Marion DAL RB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007

7.11 83. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR ® Sun Mar 11 9:37:39 p.m. CT 2007
Real solid squad there. He'll have to add some WRs, but he's off to a good start. The first four picks are proven stars. I personally would have had a little trouble taking Barber that high, but he has the potential to justify it if he ever becomes a starter. The presence of Rudi and Westbrook on the roster means he can probably afford to be patient. Holmes is looking like a quality value this year.
MB3 is the SOD.
:goodposting: And...how did no one see this blunder?

4.05 41. Brees, Drew NOS QB Fri Mar 9 9:57:12 p.m. CT 2007

4th round? Are you kidding me? Someone took VY ahead of him? HAHAHA.
VY is Mike Vick2....only smarter ;)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Shake and Bake

1.12 Portis, Clinton

2.01 Johnson, Rudi

3.12 Gates, Antonio

4.01 Houshmandzadeh, T.J.

5.12 Jackson, Darrell

7.10 Crumpler, Alge

7.11 Holmes, Santonio

7.12 Coles, Laveranues

8.01 Roethlisberger, Ben

9.12 Watson, Ben

Love this team, talk about some insane value at most of those picks. Gates at 3.12 is the true S.O.D. I don't like Housh that early with legit WR1's still on the board, but the owner grabbed some of the other WR's I would have considered there much later. (Coles at 7.12?!?!) I'm assuming this team has the rookie 1.01 as well since it drafted last so that takes care of his RB3.

Did I miss something on starting requirements though? Why all those TE's? I guess you could start Gates in your flex if you need to and Crumpler was great value, but I see no need to draft Watson also.

 
Shake and Bake1.12 Portis, Clinton2.01 Johnson, Rudi3.12 Gates, Antonio4.01 Houshmandzadeh, T.J.5.12 Jackson, Darrell7.10 Crumpler, Alge7.11 Holmes, Santonio7.12 Coles, Laveranues8.01 Roethlisberger, Ben9.12 Watson, BenLove this team, talk about some insane value at most of those picks. Gates at 3.12 is the true S.O.D. I don't like Housh that early with legit WR1's still on the board, but the owner grabbed some of the other WR's I would have considered there much later. (Coles at 7.12?!?!) I'm assuming this team has the rookie 1.01 as well since it drafted last so that takes care of his RB3.Did I miss something on starting requirements though? Why all those TE's? I guess you could start Gates in your flex if you need to and Crumpler was great value, but I see no need to draft Watson also.
:popcorn: Particularly if this guy has the #1 rookie pick, as you are guessing.
 
Hi Im Team Colts Win

I thought I got some great value like Parker at 1.08

And to me Henry went a bit late. Maybe I have to much faith in the Den run game but I could see him putting up top 10 RB numbers.

After a trade here is the team I would start most weeks

QB Brees

RB Parker

RB Henry

Flex C Taylor

WR Lee Evens

WR Chambers

WR Branch / Henderson

TE Cooley

Thanks for the input.

 
Did I miss something on starting requirements though? Why all those TE's? I guess you could start Gates in your flex if you need to and Crumpler was great value, but I see no need to draft Watson also.
He traded Gates for (essentially) the rookie 1.3 (other picks were involved, but that was the meat of the trade)
 
Shake and Bake1.12 Portis, Clinton2.01 Johnson, Rudi3.12 Gates, Antonio4.01 Houshmandzadeh, T.J.5.12 Jackson, Darrell7.10 Crumpler, Alge7.11 Holmes, Santonio7.12 Coles, Laveranues8.01 Roethlisberger, Ben9.12 Watson, BenLove this team, talk about some insane value at most of those picks. Gates at 3.12 is the true S.O.D. I don't like Housh that early with legit WR1's still on the board, but the owner grabbed some of the other WR's I would have considered there much later. (Coles at 7.12?!?!) I'm assuming this team has the rookie 1.01 as well since it drafted last so that takes care of his RB3.Did I miss something on starting requirements though? Why all those TE's? I guess you could start Gates in your flex if you need to and Crumpler was great value, but I see no need to draft Watson also.
He traded Gates for the rookie 1.03 pick. So his TEs are now Crumpler and Watson, and he picks 1.01 and 1.03.
 
Did I miss something on starting requirements though? Why all those TE's? I guess you could start Gates in your flex if you need to and Crumpler was great value, but I see no need to draft Watson also.
He traded Gates for (essentially) the rookie 1.3 (other picks were involved, but that was the meat of the trade)
Ahh, okay. That makes a lot of sense when he got Crumpler there in 7th. So now he has the 1.1 and 1.3 which could net him CJ and his RB3 or 2 top rookie RB's. Very nicely done.
 
Yea, that guy's team is nasty. Every pick was a good one. Factor in Peterson and CJ/Lynch, and you have to think he's off to a huge head start.

 
this is looking like my team most weeks:

QB - V Young (T Romo if needed)

RB - Addai

RB - MJD

WR - R Brown

WR - Cotchery

WR - Furrey

TE - Gates

Flex - T Bell / B Marshall / L Washington / D Clark

I like this team a lot. Little weak in wideouts, but PPR helps with Furrey and Gates. If T Bell starts and has improved even just a little (like, not fumbling), this team could be very good.

 
this is looking like my team most weeks:QB - V Young (T Romo if needed)RB - AddaiRB - MJDWR - R BrownWR - CotcheryWR - FurreyTE - GatesFlex - T Bell / B Marshall / L Washington / D ClarkI like this team a lot. Little weak in wideouts, but PPR helps with Furrey and Gates. If T Bell starts and has improved even just a little (like, not fumbling), this team could be very good.
Love the Gates pickup. Other than that, way too much speculation here. Young, Addai, MJD, Cotchery, Furrey, and Brown? There's not a single proven talent in that entire bunch. A couple of these guys will turn into stars for you, but I think you let the 2006 season impact your thinking too much. Come 2009, you might not have a single top 20 WR. Cotchery is a WR2. He just signed a nice extension, but he's not exactly a reliable option at this point and his one good season (last year) wasn't truly outstanding. Furrey? The Brandon Stokley of 2006. Reggie Brown? Interesting, but not very compelling as an FF WR1. More of a WR3. Addai, Young, and Drew? All very promising, but none reliable.Sorry to be harsh. Just my opinion. You have to find the right balance in dynasty leagues, and I think you've leaned too heavily towards "youth/potential/upside." From my experience, teams like this rarely contend for the first 2-3 years.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Yea, that guy's team is nasty. Every pick was a good one. Factor in Peterson and CJ/Lynch, and you have to think he's off to a huge head start.
In his particular case I think it would make a lot of sense to take CJ at 1.01 and take whichever back was left over at 1.03. Unless he prefers getting both RB's of course in which case he could take the RB he prefers and see what the 1.02 pick does.
 
Shake and Bake here...

Let me first say that this has been a great draft so far. Very small percentage of "gasp" picks, and a good group of owners to be involved with.

For the record, I don't own Santonio Holmes. Here's what I have so far:

1.12 Portis, Clinton

2.01 Johnson, Rudi

3.12 Gates, Antonio (traded with 6:01 for 7:10, 11:10 and the number 3 pick in the rookie draft)

4.01 Houshmandzadeh, T.J.

5.12 Jackson, Darrell

7.10 Crumpler, Alge

7.12 Coles, Laveranues

8.01 Roethlisberger, Ben

9.12 Watson, Ben

10:01 Dunn, Warrick

11:10 Baskett, Hank

11:12 Bradley, Mark

12:01 Dillon, Corey

I felt like the way the draft was going, I was getting solid but slightly aged players at the 12/1 turn. I made the Gates deal to set me up with the 1st and 3rd picks in the rookie draft, which should yield me some solid talent.

Losing Gates was hard, but I am happy with getting Crumpler and especially Watson where I got him.

I think this is an average team really. But it could change if my rookie 1 and 3 pan out.

 
My picks:

1.03 3. Big Boy Johnson, Larry KCC RB Fri Mar 9 7:42:04 a.m. PT 2007

2.10 22. Big Boy Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 1:17:40 p.m. PT 2007

3.03 27. Big Boy Holt, Torry STL WR Fri Mar 9 1:56:42 p.m. PT 2007

4.10 46. Big Boy Turner, Michael SDC RB Sat Mar 10 7:53:54 a.m. PT 2007

5.03 51. Big Boy McNabb, Donovan PHI QB Sat Mar 10 11:17:51 a.m. PT 2007

6.10 70. Big Boy Green, Ahman GBP RB Sun Mar 11 1:13:02 p.m. PT 2007

7.03 75. Big Boy Winslow, Kellen CLE TE Sun Mar 11 3:16:35 p.m. PT 2007

8.10 94. Big Boy Henry, Chris CIN WR Mon Mar 12 10:07:55 a.m. PT 2007

9.03 99. Big Boy Curry, Ronald OAK WR Mon Mar 12 9:09:31 p.m. PT 2007

10.10 118. Big Boy Brown, Chris TEN RB Tue Mar 13 11:50:18 a.m. PT 2007

11.03 123. Big Boy Smith, Alex SFO QB Tue Mar 13 2:06:36 p.m. PT 2007

12.10 142. Big Boy Williams, Ricky FA RB Wed Mar 14 7:38:57 a.m. PT 2007

LARRY JOHNSON-First pick was quite easy, i got the leftovers of the top 3. :loco:

STEVE SMITH-Second pick was pretty easy as well. After seeing guys like henry and TJ fly off the board in the second, i was more than happy getting SS with the 22nd overall pick. 19.5 a game in our league scoring good for 14th overall. :lmao:

TORRY HOLT-Third pick was pretty easy as well for me. I hated not being able to pick up a rb2 in this spot, but with the likes of caddy, KJ,Taylor, Lendale,edge left on the board, i didnt really want to go that route in the third round. I did want to go MB3 here but i felt it was a little too early for him. :unsure:

MICHAEL TURNER-Fourth pick, the pick ive gotten the most s### for. Probably my riskiest pick of the draft. Taking back to back wr's kinda hurt my team. With only JJ, and norwood (who i really thought about taking) on the board, i went with the best overall ability. I like turner ALOT, (did i say ALOT) and think as soon as he is given a job he will be a stud. :wub:

DONOVAN MCNABB-Fifth pick, started to get tough here. With my team needs i probably should of went JJ here. But I felt there was gonna be a qb run so i said what the hey and took Mcnabb. Was the number 1 qb in terms of ppg, 24.18. Probably could of gone younger, and most guys did go younger. But i held off and got a young qb later. :yes:

AHMAN GREEN-Personally with the way rb's were flying off the board i didnt think i would land Ahman. Hopefully he starts for one year for me, i know they arent paying him 5 mil to be in a rbbc. Could be a wasted pick but i had to have a rb2, even though he might be a rb3/4.I really wanted Vernon Davis but i decided to take a risk and see if he would fall to me. The teams picking after my ahman pick both only had a few rbs. So i knew green would not make it back to me. :bag:

KELLEN WINSLOW-Kicked myself in the butt on this one. Vernon didnt make it back to me. But life goes on, and KW is now on my team, guy was a BEAST last year. Hopefully his knee holds up. Besides he is a SOLDIER, right? :lmao:

CHRIS HENRY-Liked the kids talent. Probably will be suspended but cant argue the fact that this kid is clutch. Palmer will be looking his way.Maybe the best wr on his team as far as talent? :lmao:

RONALD CURRY-Another tough situation for me, but last 6 weeks of the year this guy was huge. 17th overall in our scoring, maybe Moss gets dealt? Me hopes so. :shock:

CHRIS BROWN- With my rbs, i had to take a flyer sometime. :bag: :X

ALEX SMITH-Loved this pick, debated for a minute about it. Campbell or Smith, Smith or Campbell. Im a 49ers homer, I go Alex. :wub:

RICKY WILLIAMS-Another flyer pick, hopefully he goes somewhere or does something. Word out is he is getting tested 2-3 times a week. And he is at 220 right now. Maybe he comes back, he still has the talent. :bag:

Overall Im satisfied with my team, I got alot of quality players imo. If my team sucks because of no rb2, i can always look forward to next years draft! I should have a decent starting lineup barring inurys and if Mcnabb and KW fully recover. This is the great part about doing drafts in March, everyone is right! :D

 
Love the Gates pickup. Other than that, way too much speculation here. Young, Addai, MJD, Cotchery, Furrey, and Brown? There's not a single proven talent in that entire bunch. A couple of these guys will turn into stars for you, but I think you let the 2006 season impact your thinking too much. Come 2009, you might not have a single top 20 WR.
you are correct. I definitely went the speculation route. We'll see how it turns out. But this is easily the most "fun" team I have had :thumbup: FWIW, Furrey was a 10th round pickup - very pleased to get him there.
 
My picks:1.03 3. Big Boy Johnson, Larry KCC RB Fri Mar 9 7:42:04 a.m. PT 2007 2.10 22. Big Boy Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Mar 9 1:17:40 p.m. PT 2007 3.03 27. Big Boy Holt, Torry STL WR Fri Mar 9 1:56:42 p.m. PT 2007 4.10 46. Big Boy Turner, Michael SDC RB Sat Mar 10 7:53:54 a.m. PT 2007 5.03 51. Big Boy McNabb, Donovan PHI QB Sat Mar 10 11:17:51 a.m. PT 2007 6.10 70. Big Boy Green, Ahman GBP RB Sun Mar 11 1:13:02 p.m. PT 2007 7.03 75. Big Boy Winslow, Kellen CLE TE Sun Mar 11 3:16:35 p.m. PT 2007 8.10 94. Big Boy Henry, Chris CIN WR Mon Mar 12 10:07:55 a.m. PT 2007 9.03 99. Big Boy Curry, Ronald OAK WR Mon Mar 12 9:09:31 p.m. PT 2007 10.10 118. Big Boy Brown, Chris TEN RB Tue Mar 13 11:50:18 a.m. PT 2007 11.03 123. Big Boy Smith, Alex SFO QB Tue Mar 13 2:06:36 p.m. PT 2007 12.10 142. Big Boy Williams, Ricky FA RB Wed Mar 14 7:38:57 a.m. PT 2007
This too is a very nice squad IMHO.
 
BIG FISH - Pts Bye Drafted

Bulger, Marc STL QB 331.65 7 5.11

Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB (I) 59.45 8 13.05

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB 151.40 5 2.08

Gore, Frank SFO RB 354.00 7 1.05

Jordan, Lamont OAK RB (I) 74.80 3 6.02

Lewis, Jamal BAL RB 200.70 7 8.02

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB 152.20 6 9.11

Harrison, Marvin IND WR 320.60 6 4.08

Johnson, Andre HOU WR 261.50 5 3.05

Owens, Terrell DAL WR 292.00 3 5.05

Williams, Reggie JAC WR 142.60 6 11.05

Clark, Desmond CHI TE 146.60 7 12.08

McMichael, Randy MIA TE 144.00 8 10.08

13 Total Players

Update Big Fish through round 13

 
MB3 is the SOD.He did quite well, but he needs WR help.
Jeff, you're bullish on MB3, but not everyone is quite so optimistic about him right now. I'd lump him in with someone like Michael Turner or Ladell Betts. He has more value than those guys because he should get more playing time, but they all fall into the category of "good players who aren't starters." Now maybe MB3 will get the nod over Julius, but I find it tough to believe he'll get the touches necessary to be anything better than a RB2 next year.
Again, read my post about his fantasy points per touch. He was 2nd last year. Player FPTs/TouchJones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB ® 1.29Barber, Marion DAL RB 1.28Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 1.19Bush, Reggie NOS RB ® 1.10Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 1.06Jackson, Steven STL RB 0.96Jones, Kevin DET RB 0.95Gore, Frank SFO RB 0.89Dillon, Corey NEP RB 0.88Addai, Joseph IND RB ® 0.86Johnson, Larry KCC RB 0.82Betts, Ladell WAS RB 0.82A ton of info comes out of this list. LJ at 12 tells me he was overworked to produce so much. The Top 10 are telling in both Addai and Dillon make the list, a surprise.Only 5 players had over 1 FP/touch (with significant touches). MB3 is 2nd. The coaching staff recognize this and will give him touches accordingly.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
MB3 is the SOD.

He did quite well, but he needs WR help.
Jeff, you're bullish on MB3, but not everyone is quite so optimistic about him right now. I'd lump him in with someone like Michael Turner or Ladell Betts. He has more value than those guys because he should get more playing time, but they all fall into the category of "good players who aren't starters." Now maybe MB3 will get the nod over Julius, but I find it tough to believe he'll get the touches necessary to be anything better than a RB2 next year.
Again, read my post about his fantasy points per touch. He was 2nd last year. Player FPTs/Touch

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB ® 1.29

Barber, Marion DAL RB 1.28

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 1.19

Bush, Reggie NOS RB ® 1.10

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 1.06

Jackson, Steven STL RB 0.96

Jones, Kevin DET RB 0.95

Gore, Frank SFO RB 0.89

Dillon, Corey NEP RB 0.88

Addai, Joseph IND RB ® 0.86

Johnson, Larry KCC RB 0.82

Betts, Ladell WAS RB 0.82

A ton of info comes out of this list. LJ at 12 tells me he was overworked to produce so much. The Top 10 are telling in both Addai and Dillon make the list, a surprise.

Only 5 players had over 1 FP/touch (with significant touches). MB3 is 2nd. The coaching staff recognize this and will give him touches accordingly.
It's an interesting stat, but I think your interpretation of its implications is flawed. Barber scored an abnormally high number of TDs. To me, this could actually mean he's overrated and not the opposite. Barber was the primary goal line back for Dallas. If a considerable percentage of his carries came close to the goal line, then doesn't it follow that his FF production would be a little bit inflated (because he'd be starting closer the end zone than the average NFL starter)? He has a natural advantage over all of the full-time backs in the NFL because a higher percentage of his carries occur in the red zone (most starters have to "earn" all of their goal line opportunities, but he was able to "steal" some from JJ). Basically, he was given TDs that he didn't earn.

If he happens to assume a full-time starting role, his number of red zone carries probably wouldn't increase significantly, but his number of non-red zone carries would definitely increase. This would result in a decrease in his fantasy points per touch. So it seems like his high standing on your list might merely be a function of his role.

IMO, guys like Reggie Bush, LT2, and MJD are on the list because they're big play threats who score an usual amount of TDs (because they break long runs). But my guess is that Barber is only in the same statistical company because a higher percentage of his carries came in the red zone (and not because he breaks long runs).

Out of curiosity, how does Brandon Jacobs compare? I bet he'd be pretty high too.

Now this doesn't mean Barber isn't a quality player, but I still think it will be tough to justify ranking him in your top 20 dynasty RBs dynasty until he appears to have the inside track on a starting role.

 
EBF said:
It's an interesting stat, but I think your interpretation of its implications is flawed. Barber scored an abnormally high number of TDs. To me, this could actually mean he's overrated and not the opposite.
Barber's last season is very reminessant of Willis McGahee's 2004 season (13TDs) . Albeit MaGahee had a lot further to fall. IIRC, he was going in the top 5 after that season. Even if Barber does come crashing to earth, at 4.06, it is hard to argue that he is overrated.
 
EBF said:
It's an interesting stat, but I think your interpretation of its implications is flawed. Barber scored an abnormally high number of TDs. To me, this could actually mean he's overrated and not the opposite.
Barber's last season is very reminessant of Willis McGahee's 2004 season (13TDs) . Albeit MaGahee had a lot further to fall. IIRC, he was going in the top 5 after that season. Even if Barber does come crashing to earth, at 4.06, it is hard to argue that he is overrated.
I don't think MBIII is great value at 4.06 it's still RBBC in Dallas and I don't think he puts up 16 total TD's again in 2007. I think it was a good pick with upside.
 
Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments 1.05 5. BIG FISH Gore, Frank SFO RB Fri Mar 9 10:03:45 a.m. CT 2007 2.08 20. BIG FISH Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Fri Mar 9 3:12:07 p.m. CT 2007 3.05 29. BIG FISH Johnson, Andre HOU WR Fri Mar 9 4:02:57 p.m. CT 2007 4.08 44. BIG FISH Harrison, Marvin IND WR Sat Mar 10 7:23:27 a.m. CT 2007 5.05 53. BIG FISH Owens, Terrell DAL WR Sat Mar 10 1:23:40 p.m. CT 2007 5.11 59. BIG FISH Bulger, Marc STL QB Sun Mar 11 11:04:05 a.m. CT 2007 6.02 62. BIG FISH Jordan, Lamont OAK RB Sun Mar 11 12:55:48 p.m. CT 2007 8.02 86. BIG FISH Lewis, Jamal BAL RB Mon Mar 12 10:06:41 a.m. CT 2007 9.11 107. BIG FISH Rhodes, Dominic IND RB Tue Mar 13 12:35:49 p.m. CT 2007Big Fish is the one to beat.......just sayin' :shock:
this team better win '07, 'cuz they're looking @AARP in a year or 2! :popcorn:
 
MB3 is the SOD.

He did quite well, but he needs WR help.
Jeff, you're bullish on MB3, but not everyone is quite so optimistic about him right now. I'd lump him in with someone like Michael Turner or Ladell Betts. He has more value than those guys because he should get more playing time, but they all fall into the category of "good players who aren't starters." Now maybe MB3 will get the nod over Julius, but I find it tough to believe he'll get the touches necessary to be anything better than a RB2 next year.
Again, read my post about his fantasy points per touch. He was 2nd last year. Player FPTs/Touch

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB ® 1.29

Barber, Marion DAL RB 1.28

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 1.19

Bush, Reggie NOS RB ® 1.10

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 1.06

Jackson, Steven STL RB 0.96

Jones, Kevin DET RB 0.95

Gore, Frank SFO RB 0.89

Dillon, Corey NEP RB 0.88

Addai, Joseph IND RB ® 0.86

Johnson, Larry KCC RB 0.82

Betts, Ladell WAS RB 0.82

A ton of info comes out of this list. LJ at 12 tells me he was overworked to produce so much. The Top 10 are telling in both Addai and Dillon make the list, a surprise.

Only 5 players had over 1 FP/touch (with significant touches). MB3 is 2nd. The coaching staff recognize this and will give him touches accordingly.
It's an interesting stat, but I think your interpretation of its implications is flawed. Barber scored an abnormally high number of TDs. To me, this could actually mean he's overrated and not the opposite. Barber was the primary goal line back for Dallas. If a considerable percentage of his carries came close to the goal line, then doesn't it follow that his FF production would be a little bit inflated (because he'd be starting closer the end zone than the average NFL starter)? He has a natural advantage over all of the full-time backs in the NFL because a higher percentage of his carries occur in the red zone (most starters have to "earn" all of their goal line opportunities, but he was able to "steal" some from JJ). Basically, he was given TDs that he didn't earn.

If he happens to assume a full-time starting role, his number of red zone carries probably wouldn't increase significantly, but his number of non-red zone carries would definitely increase. This would result in a decrease in his fantasy points per touch. So it seems like his high standing on your list might merely be a function of his role.

IMO, guys like Reggie Bush, LT2, and MJD are on the list because they're big play threats who score an usual amount of TDs (because they break long runs). But my guess is that Barber is only in the same statistical company because a higher percentage of his carries came in the red zone (and not because he breaks long runs).

Out of curiosity, how does Brandon Jacobs compare? I bet he'd be pretty high too.

Now this doesn't mean Barber isn't a quality player, but I still think it will be tough to justify ranking him in your top 20 dynasty RBs dynasty until he appears to have the inside track on a starting role.
Intriguing interpretation EBF. :shock: Brandon Jacobs, as you probably looked already, had 111 traditional FP's and 11 receptions on just 96 carries and 9 TDs. That's 122 PTs on 107 touches. Nice example of what you implied.

I think the next level of understanding of this stat would be to break the points down by % (TDs, rec, yds).

The difference I see in Jacobs and MB3 is that Jacobs had a worse running performance (4.4 yards vs. 5.1) than for his partner (Tiki), where ase MB3 did better (4.8 vs. 4.1 for JJones).

The stat needs more interpretation, but I'm still touting MB3 over any other alleged 2nd RB in the league.

 
MB3 is the SOD.

He did quite well, but he needs WR help.
Jeff, you're bullish on MB3, but not everyone is quite so optimistic about him right now. I'd lump him in with someone like Michael Turner or Ladell Betts. He has more value than those guys because he should get more playing time, but they all fall into the category of "good players who aren't starters." Now maybe MB3 will get the nod over Julius, but I find it tough to believe he'll get the touches necessary to be anything better than a RB2 next year.
Again, read my post about his fantasy points per touch. He was 2nd last year. Player FPTs/Touch

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB ® 1.29

Barber, Marion DAL RB 1.28

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 1.19

Bush, Reggie NOS RB ® 1.10

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 1.06

Jackson, Steven STL RB 0.96

Jones, Kevin DET RB 0.95

Gore, Frank SFO RB 0.89

Dillon, Corey NEP RB 0.88

Addai, Joseph IND RB ® 0.86

Johnson, Larry KCC RB 0.82

Betts, Ladell WAS RB 0.82

A ton of info comes out of this list. LJ at 12 tells me he was overworked to produce so much. The Top 10 are telling in both Addai and Dillon make the list, a surprise.

Only 5 players had over 1 FP/touch (with significant touches). MB3 is 2nd. The coaching staff recognize this and will give him touches accordingly.
It's an interesting stat, but I think your interpretation of its implications is flawed. Barber scored an abnormally high number of TDs. To me, this could actually mean he's overrated and not the opposite. Barber was the primary goal line back for Dallas. If a considerable percentage of his carries came close to the goal line, then doesn't it follow that his FF production would be a little bit inflated (because he'd be starting closer the end zone than the average NFL starter)? He has a natural advantage over all of the full-time backs in the NFL because a higher percentage of his carries occur in the red zone (most starters have to "earn" all of their goal line opportunities, but he was able to "steal" some from JJ). Basically, he was given TDs that he didn't earn.

If he happens to assume a full-time starting role, his number of red zone carries probably wouldn't increase significantly, but his number of non-red zone carries would definitely increase. This would result in a decrease in his fantasy points per touch. So it seems like his high standing on your list might merely be a function of his role.

IMO, guys like Reggie Bush, LT2, and MJD are on the list because they're big play threats who score an usual amount of TDs (because they break long runs). But my guess is that Barber is only in the same statistical company because a higher percentage of his carries came in the red zone (and not because he breaks long runs).

Out of curiosity, how does Brandon Jacobs compare? I bet he'd be pretty high too.

Now this doesn't mean Barber isn't a quality player, but I still think it will be tough to justify ranking him in your top 20 dynasty RBs dynasty until he appears to have the inside track on a starting role.
:banned: Outstanding post. Nicely done, EBF. One thing that has sat in the back of my mind is a stat on Barber that I heard towards the end of the year...and it sounded so unfitting when I heard it. During a late-season (or maybe the playoff game), I remember the announcer saying that Barber was actually subpar in short-yardage situations this year. How bizarre. A part-time RB with 16 TDs is a poor short-yardage runner? He must have done horribly on 3rd & long and 4 & long in between the 20's.

 
Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments

1.05 5. BIG FISH Gore, Frank SFO RB Fri Mar 9 10:03:45 a.m. CT 2007

2.08 20. BIG FISH Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Fri Mar 9 3:12:07 p.m. CT 2007

3.05 29. BIG FISH Johnson, Andre HOU WR Fri Mar 9 4:02:57 p.m. CT 2007

4.08 44. BIG FISH Harrison, Marvin IND WR Sat Mar 10 7:23:27 a.m. CT 2007

5.05 53. BIG FISH Owens, Terrell DAL WR Sat Mar 10 1:23:40 p.m. CT 2007

5.11 59. BIG FISH Bulger, Marc STL QB Sun Mar 11 11:04:05 a.m. CT 2007

6.02 62. BIG FISH Jordan, Lamont OAK RB Sun Mar 11 12:55:48 p.m. CT 2007

8.02 86. BIG FISH Lewis, Jamal BAL RB Mon Mar 12 10:06:41 a.m. CT 2007

9.11 107. BIG FISH Rhodes, Dominic IND RB Tue Mar 13 12:35:49 p.m. CT 2007

Big Fish is the one to beat.......just sayin' :D
this team better win '07, 'cuz they're looking @AARP in a year or 2! :ph34r:
Rav here is my updated roster.......I think it looks pretty young :mellow: ....(age)Player YTD Pts Drafted

Gore, Frank SFO RB 354.00 1.05 (23)

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB 151.40 2.08 (29) But he had a vacation last year so he should be fresh!

Johnson, Andre HOU WR 261.50 3.05 (25) One of the best young WR's in the game

Harrison, Marvin IND WR 320.60 4.08 (34) Can Wayne remove the pebble from his hand(I think not)

Owens, Terrell DAL WR 292.00 5.05 (33) I just like this guy...Great locker Room Guy Great teammate can't say enough good things about TO

Bulger, Marc STL QB 331.65 5.11 (29) Has a lot of Targets

Jordan, Lamont OAK RB (I) 74.80 6.02 (28) Top 10 pick last year...Horrible season for Oak..he can't be worse!

Lewis, Jamal BAL RB 200.70 8.02 (27) Last chance to prove he is still a starter

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB 152.20 9.11 (27) "How do you feel about alcoholics?"........"I like alcoholics?"

McMichael, Randy MIA TE 144.00 10.08 (27) STL did not bring him in to block

Williams, Reggie JAC WR 142.60 11.05 (23) People forget he is that young

Clark, Desmond CHI TE 146.60 12.08 (29) He is what he is.

Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB (I) 59.45 13.05 (29) #1 QB in 2000,2002,2003,2004........I see a return to form in 2007

Johnson, Bryant ARI WR 138.00 14.08 (25) FA after this season

Bruce, Isaac STL WR 212.80 15.05 (34) Young at heart

Morris, Maurice SEA RB 82.20 15.10 (27) This guy just is not that good.

16 Total Players

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments

1.05 5. BIG FISH Gore, Frank SFO RB Fri Mar 9 10:03:45 a.m. CT 2007

2.08 20. BIG FISH Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Fri Mar 9 3:12:07 p.m. CT 2007

3.05 29. BIG FISH Johnson, Andre HOU WR Fri Mar 9 4:02:57 p.m. CT 2007

4.08 44. BIG FISH Harrison, Marvin IND WR Sat Mar 10 7:23:27 a.m. CT 2007

5.05 53. BIG FISH Owens, Terrell DAL WR Sat Mar 10 1:23:40 p.m. CT 2007

5.11 59. BIG FISH Bulger, Marc STL QB Sun Mar 11 11:04:05 a.m. CT 2007

6.02 62. BIG FISH Jordan, Lamont OAK RB Sun Mar 11 12:55:48 p.m. CT 2007

8.02 86. BIG FISH Lewis, Jamal BAL RB Mon Mar 12 10:06:41 a.m. CT 2007

9.11 107. BIG FISH Rhodes, Dominic IND RB Tue Mar 13 12:35:49 p.m. CT 2007

Big Fish is the one to beat.......just sayin' :D
this team better win '07, 'cuz they're looking @AARP in a year or 2! :excited:
Rav here is my updated roster.......I think it looks pretty young :( ....(age)Player YTD Pts Drafted

Gore, Frank SFO RB 354.00 1.05 (23)

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB 151.40 2.08 (29) But he had a vacation last year so he should be fresh!

Johnson, Andre HOU WR 261.50 3.05 (25) One of the best young WR's in the game

Harrison, Marvin IND WR 320.60 4.08 (34) Can Wayne remove the pebble from his hand(I think not)

Owens, Terrell DAL WR 292.00 5.05 (33) I just like this guy...Great locker Room Guy Great teammate can't say enough good things about TO

Bulger, Marc STL QB 331.65 5.11 (29) Has a lot of Targets

Jordan, Lamont OAK RB (I) 74.80 6.02 (28) Top 10 pick last year...Horrible season for Oak..he can't be worse!

Lewis, Jamal BAL RB 200.70 8.02 (27) Last chance to prove he is still a starter

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB 152.20 9.11 (27) "How do you feel about alcoholics?"........"I like alcoholics?"

McMichael, Randy MIA TE 144.00 10.08 (27) STL did not bring him in to block

Williams, Reggie JAC WR 142.60 11.05 (23) People forget he is that young

Clark, Desmond CHI TE 146.60 12.08 (29) He is what he is.

Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB (I) 59.45 13.05 (29) #1 QB in 2000,2002,2003,2004........I see a return to form in 2007

Johnson, Bryant ARI WR 138.00 14.08 (25) FA after this season

Bruce, Isaac STL WR 212.80 15.05 (34) Young at heart

Morris, Maurice SEA RB 82.20 15.10 (27) This guy just is not that good.

16 Total Players
I see that this has been mentioned before, but your first 6 picks are phenomenal. After that, though, whew...it's like Hitler at the Maagan Bridge -- down to shut-ins, cripples & teenagers.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
1.03 3. Big Boy Johnson, Larry KCC RB

2.10 22. Big Boy Smith, Steve CAR WR

3.03 27. Big Boy Holt, Torry STL WR

4.10 46. Big Boy Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.03 51. Big Boy McNabb, Donovan PHI QB

6.10 70. Big Boy Green, Ahman GBP RB

7.03 75. Big Boy Winslow, Kellen CLE TE

8.10 94. Big Boy Henry, Chris CIN WR

9.03 99. Big Boy Curry, Ronald OAK WR

10.10 118. Big Boy Brown, Chris TEN RB

11.03 123. Big Boy Smith, Alex SFO QB

12.10 142. Big Boy Williams, Ricky FA RB

13.03 147. Big Boy Schaub, Matt ATL QB

14.10 166. Big Boy Battle, Arnaz SFO WR

15.03 171. Big Boy Robinson, Michael SFO RB ®

16.10 190. Big Boy Gould, Robbie CHI PK

updated

 
I guess I can reply. I didn't know our draft was going to be discussed. Here goes. btw hate the 7 spot.

1.07 Laurence Maroney.... thought he was the best on the board, no dillon to steal TDs, good team and coach.

2.06 Carson Palmer.... I admit to a bit of a homer pick here. But I knew he wouldn't fall back to 3.07.

3.07 Marques Colston.... meh guess you could look at this either way.. its a dynasty.. I drafted accordingly.

4.06 Marion Barber... you've seen the discussion. my idea was that I needed a solid RB2.. he is young and should be a solid RB2 for years... unless he becomes a solid RB1

Traded 5.07 and 6.06 for 5.09 and 6.04 + third round rookie pick

5.09 Mark Clayton... is there another reciever in Balt?

6.04 Hines Ward... Hate the Steelers, but he gets the ball. this was my proven veteran pick.. even though he cries a lot.

7.07 Phillip Rivers... Seen too many teams get slammed by QB injuries.. wanted to take some risk out of that happening.. maybe a reach with Palmer in the fold, but its all good.

8.06 Tony Gonzalez... What?? no love for TG being the 8th TE off the board and getting him in the 8th round?? he is old.. not sure where he will play, but still solid value IMO.

9.07 Vernand Morency... OK needed a RB?? if GB doesn't get anyone else, could be a steal.. then again, could be a disaster

10.06 Michael Clayton... had one Clayton.. why not the other?? Hoping he gets back to the early production he showed. He just needs someone to throw him the ball.

Team to date

QB

Carson Palmer

Phillip Rivers

Seneca Wallace

RB

Laurence Maroney

Marion Barber

Vernand Morency

Mewelde Moore

Musa Smith

WR

Marques Colston

Michael Clayton

Mark Clayton

Hines Ward

Joe Jurevicious

Chad Jackson

Mike Williams

Brandon Stokely

TE

Tony Gonazalez

PK

Shayne Graham

DEF

Ravens

 
Final Shake and Bake Roster

Garcia, Jeff PHI QB 21.12

Losman, J.P. BUF QB 14.01

Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 8.01

Dillon, Corey NEP RB 12.01

Dunn, Warrick ATL RB 10.01

Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 2.01

Portis, Clinton WAS RB 1.12

Baskett, Hank PHI WR ® 11.10

Bradley, Mark CHI WR 11.12

Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR 7.12

Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR 4.01

Jackson, Darrell SEA WR 5.12

Martin, Ruvell GBP WR 20.01

McDonald, Shaun STL WR 19.12

Moulds, Eric HOU WR 24.01

Crumpler, Alge ATL TE 7.10

Shiancoe, Vishante NYG TE 22.01

Watson, Ben NEP TE 9.12

Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK ® 17.12

Kasay, John CAR PK 23.12

Vinatieri, Adam IND PK 15.12

Panthers, Carolina CAR Def 16.01

Patriots, New England NEP Def 13.12

Seahawks, Seattle SEA Def 18.01

I have picks 1:01, 1:03, 2:01, 3:01 and 4:01 in the Rookie Draft. I think this is a fairly average team that will look much better after the rookie draft. Overall I am happy with it; there were a few times where guys I wanted got taken a couple of picks before my turn.

Thoughts welcome...

 
Final Roster:

McNabb, Donovan PHI QB (I) 5.03

Schaub, Matt ATL QB 13.03

Smith, Alex SFO QB 11.03

Brown, Chris TEN RB 10.10

Dayne, Ron HOU RB 21.03

Green, Ahman GBP RB 6.10

Houston, Cedric NYJ RB 24.10

Johnson, Larry KCC RB 1.03

Robinson, Michael SFO RB ® 15.03

Turner, Michael SDC RB 4.10

Williams, Ricky FA RB 12.10

Battle, Arnaz SFO WR 14.10

Curry, Ronald OAK WR 9.03

Henry, Chris CIN WR 8.10

Holt, Torry STL WR 3.03

Johnson, Keyshawn CAR WR 19.03

Smith, Steve CAR WR 2.10

Walter, Kevin HOU WR 22.10

Wilford, Ernest JAC WR 18.10

Smith, Alex TBB TE 17.03

Winslow, Kellen CLE TE 7.03

Akers, David PHI PK 20.10

Gould, Robbie CHI PK 16.10

49ers, San Francisco SFO Def 23.03

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top