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New Tavon Austin Thread? (1 Viewer)

These Clowns Ruined the first one with 2 pages concussion B.S.

after seeing how much Bradford loves that slot receiver I see huge things for Austin. The thing that separates him from most small guys is his instincts. I'm thinking 60/1100 some rushing attempts and 7-10 TD's. admin feel free to delete my post but I jumped on to read about Austin and read about Newton and concussions.

 
I agree that got out of hand. But really, what else are we going to talk about a week or two before camp? Give it another week or so and all that stuff will go away.

 
These Clowns Ruined the first one with 2 pages concussion B.S.

after seeing how much Bradford loves that slot receiver I see huge things for Austin. The thing that separates him from most small guys is his instincts. I'm thinking 60/1100 some rushing attempts and 7-10 TD's. admin feel free to delete my post but I jumped on to read about Austin and read about Newton and concussions.
18.3 ypc?

 
These Clowns Ruined the first one with 2 pages concussion B.S.

after seeing how much Bradford loves that slot receiver I see huge things for Austin. The thing that separates him from most small guys is his instincts. I'm thinking 60/1100 some rushing attempts and 7-10 TD's. admin feel free to delete my post but I jumped on to read about Austin and read about Newton and concussions.
18.3 ypc?
Mad skillz? :shrug:

 
These Clowns Ruined the first one with 2 pages concussion B.S.

after seeing how much Bradford loves that slot receiver I see huge things for Austin. The thing that separates him from most small guys is his instincts. I'm thinking 60/1100 some rushing attempts and 7-10 TD's. admin feel free to delete my post but I jumped on to read about Austin and read about Newton and concussions.
18.3 ypc?
Mad skillz? :shrug:
With Rodgers placing the ball perfectly to Cobb on the majority of his catches, Cobb was in the ~12 YPC range.

People certainly have some lofty expectations for this guy.

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs
That would be one of the best rookie WR seasons of all time.

I'm coming around on Austin as a dynasty prospect but these rookie season projections are a little over the top.

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs
That would be one of the best rookie WR seasons of all time.

I'm coming around on Austin as a dynasty prospect but these rookie season projections are a little over the top.
I'm aware, realize a lot of my projection is based on several things not just his talent.

1. Situation (4 parter):

  • His situation is perfect, he's coming into an offense with a very talented QB who has never had any weapons around him. Bradford loves to play with this type of player we saw it last year in limited time with Amendola's success and Bradford has come out publicly and said great things about throwing to Tavon this season. In this situation he's also the clear cut WR1 on the team.
  • Limited running game. The lack of the running game this season means that Bradford will likely be throwing the ball more frequently. Which just means more opportunities to get the ball into Austin's hands and let him work his YAC magic.
  • It's very rare that a rookie WR comes into the league as the #1 WR on the team with almost no other elite options to throw too. I can't really think of the last time that really really happened to a player who was going onto a decent team with good coaching. Most #1 WRs get between 80-90 receptions in a year and being that Austin is a possession receiver with insane after the catch abilities I really don't see my projections of 90 receptions as over the top at all.
  • He's taking over for Amendola... last season Amendola had 63 receptions in 11 games (one of those games he went out fairly early in with an injury that sidelined him for weeks). That put him on pace for 91 receptions on the season. The offense hasn't changed much and I have no doubt that Austin is leaps and bounds more talented a route runner, ball handler and play maker than Amendola ever could imagine to be. So why is it 'over the top' that Austin take over for Amendola and get 90 receptions?
2. Talent: This guys talent is through the roof. We have never seen a player like him, ever. You can compare him to Harvin, Amendola and Welker all you want but they aren't remotely close to the same style of player. It's a very wrong comparison. There is no comparison. Honestly, there's no correct way to make these projections. If you don't believe in him and you're projecting way below what is likely even feasible as his floor. If you do like him you're going to project his ceiling. But we have no idea how a player of his caliber will perform in the NFL until we see it because we've never seen a Tavon Austin before. This isn't like Calvin or Larry Fitz where you go "Yeah... he's amazing just look at those measurable. He's like the same player as <insert HOF WR here> with better <insert WR talent here>". Personally, I'm buying on the guy in a big way. I made moves in two different dynasty leagues to acquire him as I don't see how the guy fails. If the guy does hit I think my projections are completely reasonable though.

 
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These Clowns Ruined the first one with 2 pages concussion B.S.

after seeing how much Bradford loves that slot receiver I see huge things for Austin. The thing that separates him from most small guys is his instincts. I'm thinking 60/1100 some rushing attempts and 7-10 TD's. admin feel free to delete my post but I jumped on to read about Austin and read about Newton and concussions.
18.3 ypc?
Mad skillz? :shrug:
With Rodgers placing the ball perfectly to Cobb on the majority of his catches, Cobb was in the ~12 YPC range.

People certainly have some lofty expectations for this guy.
I didn't say I agreed with it, only what I thought the poster was thinking. I think the yards are high and the catches are low. Something more in the range of 70-75 catches and say 850-900 yards receiving and I'm going to say maybe 150 yards rushing

 
These Clowns Ruined the first one with 2 pages concussion B.S.

after seeing how much Bradford loves that slot receiver I see huge things for Austin. The thing that separates him from most small guys is his instincts. I'm thinking 60/1100 some rushing attempts and 7-10 TD's. admin feel free to delete my post but I jumped on to read about Austin and read about Newton and concussions.
18.3 ypc?
Mad skillz? :shrug:
Those are like Desean Jackson's 2nd year numbers... he's just not gonna be used like that I don't think. He may take some short ones to the house, but not to that mark, I don't think.

I made moves in two different dynasty leagues to acquire him as I don't see how the guy fails.
Those are some major rose colored glasses man. I'm as high on him as most anyone, but you'd have to be delusional to not envision a scenario where he fails.

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs
That would be one of the best rookie WR seasons of all time.

I'm coming around on Austin as a dynasty prospect but these rookie season projections are a little over the top.
I'm aware, realize a lot of my projection is based on several things not just his talent.

1. Situation (4 parter):

  • His situation is perfect, he's coming into an offense with a very talented QB who has never had any weapons around him. Bradford loves to play with this type of player we saw it last year in limited time with Amendola's success and Bradford has come out publicly and said great things about throwing to Tavon this season. In this situation he's also the clear cut WR1 on the team.
  • Limited running game. The lack of the running game this season means that Bradford will likely be throwing the ball more frequently. Which just means more opportunities to get the ball into Austin's hands and let him work his YAC magic.
  • It's very rare that a rookie WR comes into the league as the #1 WR on the team with almost no other elite options to throw too. I can't really think of the last time that really really happened to a player who was going onto a decent team with good coaching. Most #1 WRs get between 80-90 receptions in a year and being that Austin is a possession receiver with insane after the catch abilities I really don't see my projections of 90 receptions as over the top at all.
  • He's taking over for Amendola... last season Amendola had 63 receptions in 11 games (one of those games he went out fairly early in with an injury that sidelined him for weeks). That put him on pace for 91 receptions on the season. The offense hasn't changed much and I have no doubt that Austin is leaps and bounds more talented a route runner, ball handler and play maker than Amendola ever could imagine to be. So why is it 'over the top' that Austin take over for Amendola and get 90 receptions?
2. Talent: This guys talent is through the roof. We have never seen a player like him, ever. You can compare him to Harvin, Amendola and Welker all you want but they aren't remotely close to the same style of player. It's a very wrong comparison. There is no comparison. Honestly, there's no correct way to make these projections. If you don't believe in him and you're projecting way below what is likely even feasible as his floor. If you do like him you're going to project his ceiling. But we have no idea how a player of his caliber will perform in the NFL until we see it because we've never seen a Tavon Austin before. This isn't like Calvin or Larry Fitz where you go "Yeah... he's amazing just look at those measurable. He's like the same player as <insert HOF WR here> with better <insert WR talent here>". Personally, I'm buying on the guy in a big way. I made moves in two different dynasty leagues to acquire him as I don't see how the guy fails. If the guy does hit I think my projections are completely reasonable though.
I'm not sure we can make the assumption that Austin is the "clear cut WR1 on the team". It's possible that he leads the team in targets, but it's not a given by any means and if he does I don't think he'll outpace Chris Givens or Jared Cook by a wide margin.

Austin is likely more talented than Amendola, but not only was Amendola the only show in town, he also was more experienced in the NFL. It's hardly a given that Austin gets what Amendola was on pace for last season.

You tacidly admit that you project him "at his ceiling" - which assumes his ceiling is the best rookie WR season since Randy Moss, and to me projecting some one at his ceiling (even if it was obtainable) is "over the top."

I feel like I overprojected Austin at 72-965-5 with 65 yards rushing and a TD (you'd probably call that his floor). So yes a projection that has him as the best rookie WR since 1998, is a little over zealous. Perhaps you'll end up being right when all is said and done, but I have a hard time seeing it from a rookie in what is supposed to be a balanced offense.

 
Wow kool-aide on this guy is over the top.

I would expect 60-900-5 as a promising rookie season.

 
New thread, same ridiculous projections. Why even start a new one? We already know how over the top some of you guys are about Austin. This horse is dead.

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs
That would be one of the best rookie WR seasons of all time.

I'm coming around on Austin as a dynasty prospect but these rookie season projections are a little over the top.
Most #1 WRs get between 80-90 receptions in a year and being that Austin is a possession receiver with insane after the catch abilities I really don't see my projections of 90 receptions as over the top at all.
I love when people flat out make crap up to try and validate their projections. 13 WR1s caught 80 passes last year. That is not most, it's not even half. Add to that that Bradford has produced exactly one 80 catch WR ever. 90 catches for a rookie? lol.

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs
That would be one of the best rookie WR seasons of all time.

I'm coming around on Austin as a dynasty prospect but these rookie season projections are a little over the top.
Most #1 WRs get between 80-90 receptions in a year and being that Austin is a possession receiver with insane after the catch abilities I really don't see my projections of 90 receptions as over the top at all.
I love when people flat out make crap up to try and validate their projections. 13 WR1s caught 80 passes last year. That is not most, it's not even half. Add to that that Bradford has produced exactly one 80 catch WR ever. 90 catches for a rookie? lol.
Maybe he's thinking of Fantasy WR1s? :shrug:

 
2013 Projections - 370 catches for 8,926 yards with 47 TDs...

...and that's just in week 1.

No better football player has ever graced the earth we walk on.

 
I'm a huge Austin believer. Like, WR1 sooner rather than later level believer.

But 20 YPR is insane. His value will be in the quantity of receptions he has, and the YAC he gains. I highly doubt he's utilized often as a deep threat, and that would have to be his primary function in the offense to have such a high YPR. That is Given's role.

 
What's the point of starting a new one? Are the people that ruined the other one not supposed to see this one or something? "Oh, a new thread, I guess I'm going to change my opinion of this player now and post something more conservative." Maybe some of us would like to read all the info on a single player in a single thread so people's opinions on players are easy to find. Stop creating new threads for no reason other than you were unhappy with the previous one.

 
What's the point of starting a new one? Are the people that ruined the other one not supposed to see this one or something? "Oh, a new thread, I guess I'm going to change my opinion of this player now and post something more conservative." Maybe some of us would like to read all the info on a single player in a single thread so people's opinions on players are easy to find. Stop creating new threads for no reason other than you were unhappy with the previous one.
This is exactly how the OP should be mocked as he obviously started this thread with that thinking.

 
I'm a huge Austin believer. Like, WR1 sooner rather than later level believer.

But 20 YPR is insane. His value will be in the quantity of receptions he has, and the YAC he gains. I highly doubt he's utilized often as a deep threat, and that would have to be his primary function in the offense to have such a high YPR. That is Given's role.
You're probably right. 20 YPR for a slot receiver isn't likely no matter how elusive he is.

 
20 YPC is crazy high. But he is going to do a LOT better with YAC than Amendola did. That guy had no YAC. He caught the ball and was wrapped up immediately.

For those that are low on the guy, and I know this will only fuel the crazy mad love already in this thread and others, but I heard a quote from James Laurinitis. One of the local radio guys interviewed him at a golf tournament. Might've been Albert Pujols charity tourney. They asked him about tackling Austin. And he laughed and said something like, "tackling? I'd just like to be able to touch him." Evidently he took very little hits from the LB's in mini camps and Laurinitis is a pretty good LB.

 
Sure I'll say 18.3 ypc is kind of crazy, but I also think 60 receptions is on the incredibly low end for what is almost sure to be the clear cut #1 receiving option on an offense current devoid of a real running game. Austin will be a success, it's just a matter of if he rides the skirts as a WR2 or if he takes those steps to being an elite unstoppable force that some believe he can be. Honestly, with the current state of the offense I feel like he's going to be a force this season. So my projections for him are around this:

90 receptions, 1100 yards, 12.2ypr, 8 TDs - 20 rushes, 220 yards, 11.2ypc, 2 TDs
That would be one of the best rookie WR seasons of all time.

I'm coming around on Austin as a dynasty prospect but these rookie season projections are a little over the top.
I'm aware, realize a lot of my projection is based on several things not just his talent.

1. Situation (4 parter):

  • His situation is perfect, he's coming into an offense with a very talented QB who has never had any weapons around him. Bradford loves to play with this type of player we saw it last year in limited time with Amendola's success and Bradford has come out publicly and said great things about throwing to Tavon this season. In this situation he's also the clear cut WR1 on the team.
  • Limited running game. The lack of the running game this season means that Bradford will likely be throwing the ball more frequently. Which just means more opportunities to get the ball into Austin's hands and let him work his YAC magic.
  • It's very rare that a rookie WR comes into the league as the #1 WR on the team with almost no other elite options to throw too. I can't really think of the last time that really really happened to a player who was going onto a decent team with good coaching. Most #1 WRs get between 80-90 receptions in a year and being that Austin is a possession receiver with insane after the catch abilities I really don't see my projections of 90 receptions as over the top at all.
  • He's taking over for Amendola... last season Amendola had 63 receptions in 11 games (one of those games he went out fairly early in with an injury that sidelined him for weeks). That put him on pace for 91 receptions on the season. The offense hasn't changed much and I have no doubt that Austin is leaps and bounds more talented a route runner, ball handler and play maker than Amendola ever could imagine to be. So why is it 'over the top' that Austin take over for Amendola and get 90 receptions?
2. Talent: This guys talent is through the roof. We have never seen a player like him, ever. You can compare him to Harvin, Amendola and Welker all you want but they aren't remotely close to the same style of player. It's a very wrong comparison. There is no comparison. Honestly, there's no correct way to make these projections. If you don't believe in him and you're projecting way below what is likely even feasible as his floor. If you do like him you're going to project his ceiling. But we have no idea how a player of his caliber will perform in the NFL until we see it because we've never seen a Tavon Austin before. This isn't like Calvin or Larry Fitz where you go "Yeah... he's amazing just look at those measurable. He's like the same player as <insert HOF WR here> with better <insert WR talent here>". Personally, I'm buying on the guy in a big way. I made moves in two different dynasty leagues to acquire him as I don't see how the guy fails. If the guy does hit I think my projections are completely reasonable though.
Can the OP change the title of the thread to "Tavon Austin Hype Train" please? I might even get on.

 
You people aren't going to believe Tavon's speed. I was watching him tonight at the scrimmage, and wow, he's unreal. He cuts at full speed and nobody, I mean nobody can cover him one on one. He is electifying. And another thing, Jared Cook and Sam Bradford are going to blow up this year.

Carry on

 
Have I mention Tavon Austin is a poor mans Jarius Wright.
Funny.
Not really.
Not even close...
I know I feel bad that St. Louis gave up a 1st round pick for him.
Is this all you've got?
We go from dissecting every little nuance in reality or perceived reality in the other thread to this. I iagreed that we needed a new thread, but maybe I'll go back to the other one with this kind of discussion.

 
Ok I'll get serious. Jarius Wright is like a tenth of a second slower, more explosive on the jump test 38"to 32"-, Same speed on the 20 yard shuttle. Had a considerable edge in average yards per reception in college 17 to 11. Five less Tds 24-29 receiving on about a100 less catches. Has great hands. Good route runner, played in a tougher division.

 
Ok I'll get serious. Jarius Wright is like a tenth of a second slower, more explosive on the jump test 38"to 32"-, Same speed on the 20 yard shuttle. Had a considerable edge in average yards per reception in college 17 to 11. Five less Tds 24-29 receiving on about a100 less catches. Has great hands. Good route runner, played in a tougher division.
Workout numbers are just workout numbers. It doesn't mean they have the same skill-set. Tavon is probably the most elusive guy in the NFL already, and his long-speed is ridiculous too. If he'll stay as impressively healthy as he did in college is a legit question mark, but he's electric. I DO think Jarius is underrated, but if Wright was really comparable to Tavon (and by comparison, possibly Harvin and Cobb, as well) I don't think they would have gone out and drafted Patterson. You're alleging that they basically already had a fairly similar YAC monster on the roster in Wright, if he really is a Tavon clone. But his own team didnt recognize it? I just don't see it. Tavon and Jarius are pretty different on the field, no matter what their workout numbers say.

 
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Ok I'll get serious. Jarius Wright is like a tenth of a second slower, more explosive on the jump test 38"to 32"-, Same speed on the 20 yard shuttle. Had a considerable edge in average yards per reception in college 17 to 11. Five less Tds 24-29 receiving on about a100 less catches. Has great hands. Good route runner, played in a tougher division.
Workout numbers are just workout numbers. It doesn't mean they have the same skill-set. Tavon is probably the most elusive guy in the NFL already, and his long-speed is ridiculous too. If he'll stay as impressively healthy as he did in college is a legit question mark, but he's electric. I DO think Jarius is underrated, but if Wright was really comparable to Tavon (and by comparison, possibly Harvin and Cobb, as well) I don't think they would have gone out and drafted Patterson. You're alleging that they basically already had a fairly similar YAC monster on the roster in Wright, if he really is a Tavon clone. But his own team didnt recognize it?I just don't see it. Tavon and Jarius are pretty different on the field, no matter what their workout numbers say.
I think he's actually trying to say that Jarius Wright is crap and Tavon is a copy of Tavon Austin. Which is a completely obnoxious statement.

 
I said this in the other thread. I heard a quote by James Laurinitis when he was in town for Adam Wainright's golf tourney. They asked him how hard it was to tackle Austin. He said, "Tackle him? I just wish I could touch him."

Laurinitis is a damn good MLB. Nobody is laying a finger on this guy in camp so far. That being said, sooner or later someone will ring his bell. If he hops back up like no big deal I will finally breath a sigh of relief as that is my only concern on him.

 

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