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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
If this keeps up, people are going to have a hard time distinguishing between the-QG
and the Bungles. 
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
IF this were confirmed true and no charges are pressed, Goodell will suspend Holmes. Goodell won't like hearing about the bribe.
This story sounds very fishy though, fishy in the sense that it's not real.
road warrior
Footballguy
Wow, another Steeler being framed. Must be an epidemic. 
doowain
Footballguy
What Bengal has been accused of sexual assault (twice!) and assaulting a woman? Not one was ever accused of anything that serious. Way to deflect.Those Pittsburgh guys seem to have a lot of hate for women.If this keeps up, people are going to have a hard time distinguishing between the
anakin
Footballguy
Corey Dillion has a long history of beating women.What Bengal has been accused of sexual assault (twice!) and assaulting a woman? Not one was ever accused of anything that serious. Way to deflect.Those Pittsburgh guys seem to have a lot of hate for women.If this keeps up, people are going to have a hard time distinguishing between the
doowain
Footballguy
Link?Oh....and he's not a Bengal.....but nice try.Corey Dillion has a long history of beating women.What Bengal has been accused of sexual assault (twice!) and assaulting a woman? Not one was ever accused of anything that serious. Way to deflect.Those Pittsburgh guys seem to have a lot of hate for women.If this keeps up, people are going to have a hard time distinguishing between theand the Bungles.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Picked up by PFT (for what that's worth) . . .
Santonio Holmes sued for assault, battery
Posted by Mike Florio on March 29, 2010 9:37 AM ET
Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger isn't the only member of the Steelers currently facing challenges via the legal system.
Receiver Santonio Holmes, the MVP of Super Bowl XLIII, faces a civil lawsuit for assault and battery.
According to CourtHouseNews.com, the suit was filed on March 24, 2010 for an incident occurring only two weeks earlier in Orlando.
Specifically, the incident occurred on March 7 -- only two days after Roethlisberger's latest misadventures. And this possibly proves once again that players learn nothing from the misadventures of their colleagues.
The civil complaint contends that Holmes confronted plaintiff Anshonoe Mills after she refused to leave the arm of a couch in the VIP area of the Rain nightclub. Holmes allegedly "put his hand" in Mills' face while attempting to remove her from the couch. Holmes then allegedly "threw his entire glass cup of liquor" at Mills' face, allegedly causing a laceration below her eyebrow and "blinding her temporarily."
She claims that, outside the club, she asked a police office to "reprimand" Holmes for his conduct. The complaint then alleges that "he" (it's unclear whether the pronoun refers to the officer or Holmes) "proceeded to inform the plaintiff that he was an NFL football player and that he could not face criminal charges." Mills also alleges that Holmes then "offered to give [her] money because he was a [sic] NFL star and could not get into trouble."
Mills claims that she "felt pressure from [Holmes] and the Orlando Police Department not to press chargers," and that while under said pressure he made "a short victim statement incoherently stating that she was hit in the face and bleeding near her eyes, however, intended not to press charges." She claims that the Orlando Police Department failed to write a police report.
Holmes faces claims of assault, battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The owner of the club at which the incident occurred also faces a claim for negligent failure to provide adequate protection. (Hopefully, the security tapes haven't been covered up with new footage.) Mills seeks unspecified damages in excess of the jurisdictional minimum of $15,000.
Stay tuned for more.
UPDATE: I've spoken with attorney Jacques Cooper, who has confirmed that he represents Mills and that the action was filed last week. He said that he has a copy of the "short victim statement," and he asked me to call him back this afternoon to discuss the situation in further detail because, as he explained it, he is in Jacksonville preparing to enter a court hearing.
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Santonio Holmes sued for assault, battery
Posted by Mike Florio on March 29, 2010 9:37 AM ET
Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger isn't the only member of the Steelers currently facing challenges via the legal system.
Receiver Santonio Holmes, the MVP of Super Bowl XLIII, faces a civil lawsuit for assault and battery.
According to CourtHouseNews.com, the suit was filed on March 24, 2010 for an incident occurring only two weeks earlier in Orlando.
Specifically, the incident occurred on March 7 -- only two days after Roethlisberger's latest misadventures. And this possibly proves once again that players learn nothing from the misadventures of their colleagues.
The civil complaint contends that Holmes confronted plaintiff Anshonoe Mills after she refused to leave the arm of a couch in the VIP area of the Rain nightclub. Holmes allegedly "put his hand" in Mills' face while attempting to remove her from the couch. Holmes then allegedly "threw his entire glass cup of liquor" at Mills' face, allegedly causing a laceration below her eyebrow and "blinding her temporarily."
She claims that, outside the club, she asked a police office to "reprimand" Holmes for his conduct. The complaint then alleges that "he" (it's unclear whether the pronoun refers to the officer or Holmes) "proceeded to inform the plaintiff that he was an NFL football player and that he could not face criminal charges." Mills also alleges that Holmes then "offered to give [her] money because he was a [sic] NFL star and could not get into trouble."
Mills claims that she "felt pressure from [Holmes] and the Orlando Police Department not to press chargers," and that while under said pressure he made "a short victim statement incoherently stating that she was hit in the face and bleeding near her eyes, however, intended not to press charges." She claims that the Orlando Police Department failed to write a police report.
Holmes faces claims of assault, battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The owner of the club at which the incident occurred also faces a claim for negligent failure to provide adequate protection. (Hopefully, the security tapes haven't been covered up with new footage.) Mills seeks unspecified damages in excess of the jurisdictional minimum of $15,000.
Stay tuned for more.
UPDATE: I've spoken with attorney Jacques Cooper, who has confirmed that he represents Mills and that the action was filed last week. He said that he has a copy of the "short victim statement," and he asked me to call him back this afternoon to discuss the situation in further detail because, as he explained it, he is in Jacksonville preparing to enter a court hearing.
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
And the Steelers all did steroids in the 70s. Not sure what the relevance is to players on the 2010 roster.-QGCorey Dillion has a long history of beating women.What Bengal has been accused of sexual assault (twice!) and assaulting a woman? Not one was ever accused of anything that serious. Way to deflect.Those Pittsburgh guys seem to have a lot of hate for women.If this keeps up, people are going to have a hard time distinguishing between the
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Who's in charge of doing the background checks there? Ike Turner?
anakin
Footballguy
http://bengals.enquirer.com/2001/09/04/ben...lon_denies.htmlLink?Oh....and he's not a Bengal.....but nice try.Corey Dillion has a long history of beating women.What Bengal has been accused of sexual assault (twice!) and assaulting a woman? Not one was ever accused of anything that serious. Way to deflect.Those Pittsburgh guys seem to have a lot of hate for women.If this keeps up, people are going to have a hard time distinguishing between the
-QGand the Bungles.
wasnt holmes accused of domestic abuse a couple of years ago too?it's getting harder and harder to root for this team. i dont wanna root for bad guys, and anyone who abuses women or animals is a bad guy. get rid of them. if they win 5 games, so be it.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Nope - not even his second offense...As for the Dillon link, that's what from 2001? I stand by my original reply on that particular point.
-QG
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Why is it getting harder to root for the team because of a few idiots? I'm sure that 95% of the guys on the team (like any sports team) are probably classy guys.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
You have met the true conundrum of it all. Talent trumps character with pretty much every team to varying degrees. There's a lot of guys who had problems in college who mature up and you never hear about them again. How much a team puts up with generally has to do with the guy's role on the team. The most classic example was James Harrison and Cedric Wilson.Bengals fans mainly get honked off because we got piled on when our team had that ridiculous run of arrests. Tends to make us less sympathetic to other teams in this regard.-QG
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
The problem is that the 5% of the creeps are the core of the team. Big Ben, Harrison, Holmes...
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Wow, another Steeler being framed. Must be an epidemic.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I agree but it's still not harder for me to root for this team. If they get rid of this core, so be it. I will root for the team even if they are 5-11 with a bunch of "good" guys. If they keep this core, I will still root for the team as a whole knowing that most of the guys are probably "good" guys.
the "few idiots" include the star receiver, quarterback, and linebacker who all combined to win the super bowl. and i would say it gets harder each time another one is guilty of these offenses, which we dont yet know about the last two; they are only accusations at this point. i dont know about you but i find it hard to celebrate the accomplishments of thugs.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Someone has to ask this, what do this do to the value of Mike Wallace.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
that's a shame
squistion
Footballguy
To date no charges have been filed and at worst this seems to be just a civil suit for damages. I could be wrong, but I don't think this will amount to anything. I am hoping, however, that the overreaction I am seeing here will cause the Holmes owners in my leagues to panic and sell low.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
I would say it goes up. Until he is assaulted in the locker room, that is.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
The world is full of bad people. We see a lot of true thugs in the NFL. But we also see a lot of gold-diggers in society who ABSOLUTELY target these guys. And if you think about it, who are the gold-diggers going to go after? Yeah, the guys who already have reputations, because they are much easier targets.
So who's in the wrong? I have no idea. We just have to hope that the justice system gets it right, and base our opinions on the results of the case/suit. I know that isn't always going to be "right", but it's the best we have.
I agree though, that is tiresome to see many recently from the Steelers. I enjoyed the days when the team was known for it's "character" guys but they seem to have lost that (whether justified or not).
So who's in the wrong? I have no idea. We just have to hope that the justice system gets it right, and base our opinions on the results of the case/suit. I know that isn't always going to be "right", but it's the best we have.
I agree though, that is tiresome to see many recently from the Steelers. I enjoyed the days when the team was known for it's "character" guys but they seem to have lost that (whether justified or not).
Instinctive
Footballguy
No police report?
Seems a bit fishy at first glance. We have to remember that while many NFL stars aren't exactly good people...a lot poeple who spend all their time in nightclubs aren't exactly upstanding citizens either.
And the police didn't even take a report? And she didn't press charges? So she's suing in CIVIL court? It all seems a little bit fishy to me.
Though it certainly could be true.
Seems a bit fishy at first glance. We have to remember that while many NFL stars aren't exactly good people...a lot poeple who spend all their time in nightclubs aren't exactly upstanding citizens either.
And the police didn't even take a report? And she didn't press charges? So she's suing in CIVIL court? It all seems a little bit fishy to me.
Though it certainly could be true.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
On the other hand, you also have people who have always been catered to because of their talent, have always gotten what they have wanted, and can't take no for an answer. Somewhere in between is the truth.
road warrior
Footballguy
She claims that, outside the club, she asked a police office to "reprimand" Holmes for his conduct. The complaint then alleges that "he" (it's unclear whether the pronoun refers to the officer or Holmes) "proceeded to inform the plaintiff that he was an NFL football player and that he could not face criminal charges."I think the bolded part pretty much backs up your claim.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Unless of course she's just saying that. In an attempt to get money. Because she burns too much of her income in nightclubs.
i should note that i have a hard time with santonio anyway because of his demonstrations after first downs. remember in the super bowl when he caught that long pass and run to the 6 and ben was trying to spike it...but holmes was in the end zone pounding his chest and telling everyone how great he is? so they called time out. it's hard to run a 2-minute drill with this idiot.
FantasyMan
Footballguy
All of a sudden this woman is an alcoholic who spends all of her time in nightclubs?
You are the only one saying (repeatedly) that this woman is some type of alcoholic. Your argument is baseless and has no merit whatsoever. Maybe if you keep repeating it some more it will become true.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
In Colorado the owner of the liquor license or his agent would have had an obligation to report the disturbance to the police. Failing to do so they would face a show cause hearing on why their license should not be revoked.
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If the story is correct, it was reported in this case. The accuser decided to not press charges under pressure from Holmes and the PD.Also, seems like a harsh law. How is an owner supposed to know of every incident that could be considered against the law? As vocally defended on another thread here, even slapping someone on the wrist can be considered assault.
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SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
All part of Holmgren's master plan.Wow, another Steeler being framed. Must be an epidemic.
doowain
Footballguy
I nearly had an aneurysm reading that last sentence. Whoa....
Instinctive
Footballguy
Um...where exactly did I call anybody anything? I was simply statign that while it may indeed all be true, the likelihood of the image they paint actually being what happened is kinda low.Imagine this:
A woman comes stumbling out of a bar, unable to see. Her face is bleeding and tears streak down her face while she screams for a cop. One comes over, finally, and she tells him what happened. She was assaulted! She's been blinded! That horrible man cut her face open! And the cop responds...
"Well he's an NFL player (because Santonio Holmes is so easily recognized by all cops) so you should definitely not press charges and I am going to risk my job and NOT write a report at all. Have a nice night."
Is that really what we think happened? I'm not saying the woman is an alchoholic, you somehow managed to extrapolate that from nothing. Simply remind yourself that we must allow for the possibility that either party may be in the wrong, not automatically the (relatively) famous guy.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Imagine the woman had gang connections. Upon leaving she got on her cell and called associates who, offended on her behalf, returned with weapons. The decision of the bar management might have endangered many.
Altercations like this can be nothing and most often are nothing. They can also be the seeds of Darrent Williams type incidents.
Posturing, mild violence, disrespect, and liquor are a bad combination.
Altercations like this can be nothing and most often are nothing. They can also be the seeds of Darrent Williams type incidents.
Posturing, mild violence, disrespect, and liquor are a bad combination.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
My apologies.
doowain
Footballguy
Unless you believe she smashed herself in the face with the glass I don't see how she could be to blame.And it's not like this guy is some choir boy. If Larry Fitzgerald were accused here, I'd question it.....but not in this case.
Instinctive
Footballguy
So what you're saying is that your prejudice against the man is eliminatin in your mind the chance that maybe she wasn't bleedign at all, she made it up, spilled her own drink because he bumped into her as he tried to walk by (like a waitress in a restaurant spilling a tray of food because a patron stood up unexpectedly) and then she decided it was a good opportunity to maek some extra cash?It could all be true. But to decide it is true with just a couple of small facts, and some that seem incredibly strange...like I said, a police officer comes upon a woman trying to find help, who can't see and has blood streaming down her face, and decides not to write it up at all, seems a little bit contrived.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Wow. Imagine if Monopoly money was real! Or we could stop imagining stuff and just deal with what we know. Nothing we know has anything to do with the alleged victim being an alcoholic, spending all her time in nightclubs or someone who is broke from spending too much at clubs. She gave part of her side of the story and we are waiting to see Holmes respond.
doowain
Footballguy
Just a little perspective for you Steeler fans....you want to take shots at the Bengals any chance you get, but take a look at the faces/future of your franchise....
For all of the hate you give Chad, he has no arrests, contributes loads to charity, and is a great ambassador for the NFL. Last year, to avoid blackouts, he bought thousands of tickets and handed them out for free to fans.
Our QB also has no arrests, started a children's charity in 2004 and annually has a charity golf tournament.
Take pot shots all you want.....our guys aren't raping women or smashing them in the face. Maybe these things will bring you all down a notch or two.
For all of the hate you give Chad, he has no arrests, contributes loads to charity, and is a great ambassador for the NFL. Last year, to avoid blackouts, he bought thousands of tickets and handed them out for free to fans.
Our QB also has no arrests, started a children's charity in 2004 and annually has a charity golf tournament.
Take pot shots all you want.....our guys aren't raping women or smashing them in the face. Maybe these things will bring you all down a notch or two.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Well, I am a Steeler fan, but I really don't think you or anyone else (except the parties involved) really know if he is innocent or not. The guy could be a convicted serial killer and STILL be the target of a gold-digger in this situation. Like I said before, if you are looking for an easy score, a guy like Holmes is EXACTLY the guy to go after. Probably not real smart, big ego, built-in public bias, and loads of money. Bingo. I'm not saying that's what took place. I'm saying it's very possible. Just like it is very possible Holmes did exactly what she says he did, and very possible the truth is somewhere in between.I try to keep an open mind about all reports like this, because you just never know until all the facts come out. People were absolutely convinced those Duke kids were scum of the Earth (and maybe they are, I don't know), but it turned out a little differently when the facts came to light.
