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BILLIEVE said:
OMG! Ponies! said:
Christo said:
BILLIEVE said:
You can't press charges so automatically sue the player, which is 10x easier to win because of the difference between preponderance of the evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Hmmmmmmm, Ponies! probably thinks the standard of proof is irrelevant if you refuse to press charges.
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how's life as a paralegal? good to see you've got the legal terminology on lock down after 10 years of working around attorneys. always wanted to be an attorney, didn't you? just hard to set the time aside to attend law school at night after you knocked up your sister in high school. sad story. seen it a million times.
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Wait... are you bashing me right now or Christo?

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fixed.
 
Sweet Love said:
As an outside observer, I love how you AFC North teams go at one another. Honestly, as I type this I am really not sure what is so intriguinging about it, but it is like the US or People magazine I see at the supermarket check out every third day, I have to pick it up and read it...
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Kinda like going to a Jets game and slowing down as you walk by the fan getting tasered to watch :excited: -QG
 
OMG! Ponies! said:
BILLIEVE said:
OMG! Ponies! said:
Christo said:
BILLIEVE said:
You can't press charges so automatically sue the player, which is 10x easier to win because of the difference between preponderance of the evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Hmmmmmmm, Ponies! probably thinks the standard of proof is irrelevant if you refuse to press charges.
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how's life as a paralegal? good to see you've got the legal terminology on lock down after 10 years of working around attorneys. always wanted to be an attorney, didn't you? just hard to set the time aside to attend law school at night after you knocked up your sister in high school. sad story. seen it a million times.
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Wait... are you bashing me right now or Christo?

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(Rotoworld) The criminal case involving Santonio Holmes and the woman suing him in civil court was closed after the woman declined to press charges. Analysis: The two appeared to resolve their differences after holding a private discussion away from police. While also refusing medical attention, the woman declared that she did not want to press charges or get Holmes into trouble. Regardless, the meeting hasn't stopped the woman from seeking a cash settlement from Holmes.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
(Rotoworld) The criminal case involving Santonio Holmes and the woman suing him in civil court was closed after the woman declined to press charges. Analysis: The two appeared to resolve their differences after holding a private discussion away from police. While also refusing medical attention, the woman declared that she did not want to press charges or get Holmes into trouble. Regardless, the meeting hasn't stopped the woman from seeking a cash settlement from Holmes.
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which would likely be her second. she's trying to double dip.
 
Despite the fact that Holmes appears to be/might be/is a bad human being, I doubt this woman gets a penny for this.

Though, it's obvious the Steelers have a real quality tandem in Roeth-Holmes of which the Pittsburgh faithful should be awfully proud.

 
-- Woman Declined to Press Charges Against Holmes --Tue Mar 30, 2010 --from FFMastermind.com#NBC Sports reports in a copy of the incident report from the Orlando Police Department related to Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes' alleged battery on March 7th, the police say the case is now closed due to the victim's declination to prosecute Holmes at the time of the incident. One aspect of the report stands out. After Holmes and the woman now suing Holmes in a civil case told their stories to the police, the woman asked to speak to Holmes alone. "She then asked this officer if she could speak to Holmes alone. I said yes and Holmes agreed to speak with her. They then walked several feet away from me and had a conversation. This officer observed Mills smiling and rubbing Holmes face just moments after walking off together. Five minutes later the two returned and Mills advised this officer that they had resolved the matter and that she did not wish to press charges or get Holmes into any trouble. Mills had a small abrasion that was less than 1/4' over her right eye. She refused medical attention. Mills wrote a sworn written statement in which she declined to prosecute."
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cobalt_27 said:
Despite the fact that Holmes appears to be/might be/is a bad human being, I doubt this woman gets a penny for this.
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Holmes will probably settle with her for an affordable amount. It's the path of least resistance, it would be good to be out of the news as quickly as possible.
 
Teams are going to have to start writing a "no electronic social networking" clause into the contracts of some of these boneheads.

 
phthalatemagic said:
FantasyMan said:
Holmes has since deleted his tweet telling a fan to kill himself, reported by PFT here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-twitter-style/

Another site has a screenshot of it before it was deleted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/s...i_n_519104.html

"shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Pretty classy.
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Tomlin runs a pretty tight ship.
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:bag: I'm sure Belichick has video of it.

 
phthalatemagic said:
FantasyMan said:
Holmes has since deleted his tweet telling a fan to kill himself, reported by PFT here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-twitter-style/

Another site has a screenshot of it before it was deleted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/s...i_n_519104.html

"shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Pretty classy.
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Tomlin runs a pretty tight ship.
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I am sure that Holmes got Tomlin's approval before he posted it.
 
Idiot Boxer said:
phthalatemagic said:
FantasyMan said:
Holmes has since deleted his tweet telling a fan to kill himself, reported by PFT here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-twitter-style/

Another site has a screenshot of it before it was deleted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/s...i_n_519104.html

"shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Pretty classy.
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Tomlin runs a pretty tight ship.
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:) I'm sure Belichick has video of it.
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Not trying to make a coy point here, I'm sincerely curious. What is the greater sporting world sin? Cheating to win or playing legit with verifiable pieces of #### as your players? I know you'll want to argue the premise because neither choice accurately reflects either franchise, but please play along. Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than the other here. Just asking what you and others think.
 
phthalatemagic said:
Idiot Boxer said:
phthalatemagic said:
FantasyMan said:
Holmes has since deleted his tweet telling a fan to kill himself, reported by PFT here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-twitter-style/

Another site has a screenshot of it before it was deleted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/s...i_n_519104.html

"shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Pretty classy.
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Tomlin runs a pretty tight ship.
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;) I'm sure Belichick has video of it.
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Not trying to make a coy point here, I'm sincerely curious. What is the greater sporting world sin? Cheating to win or playing legit with verifiable pieces of #### as your players? I know you'll want to argue the premise because neither choice accurately reflects either franchise, but please play along. Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than the other here. Just asking what you and others think.
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So you are arguing there are not jerks and low-lifes on the Patriots?
 
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phthalatemagic said:
Idiot Boxer said:
phthalatemagic said:
FantasyMan said:
Holmes has since deleted his tweet telling a fan to kill himself, reported by PFT here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-twitter-style/

Another site has a screenshot of it before it was deleted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/s...i_n_519104.html

"shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Pretty classy.
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Tomlin runs a pretty tight ship.
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;) I'm sure Belichick has video of it.
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Not trying to make a coy point here, I'm sincerely curious. What is the greater sporting world sin? Cheating to win or playing legit with verifiable pieces of #### as your players? I know you'll want to argue the premise because neither choice accurately reflects either franchise, but please play along. Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than the other here. Just asking what you and others think.
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If you're talking about the 'integrity of the game on the field' I would say cheating on the field is worse. If you're talking about rooting interest and general morality, I would compare the crimes. Preferable to have a bad-### jaywalker than a f'n cheater but that's better than being a rapist.
 
Godsbrother said:
phthalatemagic said:
Idiot Boxer said:
phthalatemagic said:
FantasyMan said:
Holmes has since deleted his tweet telling a fan to kill himself, reported by PFT here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-twitter-style/

Another site has a screenshot of it before it was deleted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/s...i_n_519104.html

"shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Pretty classy.
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Tomlin runs a pretty tight ship.
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;) I'm sure Belichick has video of it.
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Not trying to make a coy point here, I'm sincerely curious. What is the greater sporting world sin? Cheating to win or playing legit with verifiable pieces of #### as your players? I know you'll want to argue the premise because neither choice accurately reflects either franchise, but please play along. Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than the other here. Just asking what you and others think.
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So you are arguing there are not jerks and low-lifes on the Patriots?
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No, I am not.
 
phthalatemagic said:
Godsbrother said:
phthalatemagic said:
Not trying to make a coy point here, I'm sincerely curious. What is the greater sporting world sin? Cheating to win or playing legit with verifiable pieces of #### as your players? I know you'll want to argue the premise because neither choice accurately reflects either franchise, but please play along. Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than the other here. Just asking what you and others think.
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So you are arguing there are not jerks and low-lifes on the Patriots?
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No, I am not.
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I think each team has a few pieces of #### on the roster so I think I would at least like to be legit on the field.
 
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Godsbrother said:
phthalatemagic said:
Godsbrother said:
phthalatemagic said:
Not trying to make a coy point here, I'm sincerely curious. What is the greater sporting world sin? Cheating to win or playing legit with verifiable pieces of #### as your players? I know you'll want to argue the premise because neither choice accurately reflects either franchise, but please play along. Again, I'm not trying to say one is better than the other here. Just asking what you and others think.
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So you are arguing there are not jerks and low-lifes on the Patriots?
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No, I am not.
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I think each team has a few pieces of #### on the roster so I think I would at least like to be legit on the field.
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After IB's Belichick had videos of Tomlin running a tight ship post, I thought to myself "Would would be worse? A team comprised of jerks, or a team comprised of cheaters". Yeah, I comparison of Steelers and Patriots inspired the thought, but I'm not trying to make direct comparisons here. I honestly just wanted some folks' opinions. I guess you are in defense mode with all the stuff the Steelers have done lately so you are reading into my question, but I'm not trying to draw direct comparisons here. Yes, the Patriots have some awful people on the team, and I've defended none of them.
 
OMG! Ponies! said:
Christo said:
OMG! Ponies! said:
Christo said:
OMG! Ponies! said:
nice work, plaintiff. your likelihood of success is slim. generally, civil suits based on criminal acts that you refused to press charges regarding don't usually fair well.
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What's your experience in this area of the law?
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a lot, actually.
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Somehow, I doubt this.
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as much as i desire to prove myself and my legal acumen to you, i'll refrain. but i hope you know how much it hurts me deep inside that you doubt me.
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Doubt it all you want, Christo, but he's spot on. If she wasn't concerned enough about the assault to press charges, a jury could have a hard time thinking it warrants a cash award in civil court. In other words, she'll not only have to prove that what she says happened actually happened, she'll have to give the jury a good reason why she didn't press charges or it'll hurt her when it comes time for the jury to put a $ amount on her physical pain and mental anguish. They could believe her account of what happened and still give her an award of $1 because they don't think she was that hurt, physically or emotionally.I also have some experience in this area of the law and, like Ponies!, I won't post my real world credentials on a fantasy football message board. If you think we're full of it, just pick up the phone, grab the yellow pages and poll the local bar members.
 
Holmes case closed; suit proceedsWednesday, March 31, 2010By Jonathan D. Silver, Pittsburgh Post-GazetteAnshonae MillsPolice in Orlando, Fla., announced Tuesday that they had closed their case involving Santonio Holmes because the alleged victim, a 21-year-old college student who has sued him for assault in a nightclub, declined to prosecute.Even as the Orlando Police Department made its decision not to pursue Anshonae Mills' allegations, details of her own criminal past emerged -- arrests last year for assaulting a man in an episode of "dating violence" and arguing with a woman over a seat at a sports stadium.Although the criminal investigation against Mr. Holmes is over, Ms. Mills' lawsuit against the Pittsburgh Steelers' receiver is proceeding. Her attorneys showed no indication of backing down, and one questioned the timing of the police department's release Tuesday of Ms. Mills' statement and a police report completed earlier in the day about the March 7 incident."That's a new report that was just ... filed. We're looking into that. That's new information. These facts have just conveniently come up now," attorney Jacques L. Cooper said.During an afternoon news conference in Orlando, Mr. Cooper's legal partner, Reganel Reeves, did not answer a question about a vague allegation made in the suit that Mr. Holmes and the Orlando police pressured Ms. Mills to not press charges.Ms. Mills sued Mr. Holmes last week for assault, battery and intentional infliction of emotional distress after a dispute at Rain, an Orlando nightclub.Ms. Mills accused Mr. Holmes, 26, of throwing a liquor glass at her, cutting her below the eyebrow, following an argument over a seat in the VIP lounge. She also sued the club's owners, J.J. Whispers Group Inc., for not protecting her.In a police report that was completed at 5:56 a.m. Tuesday, an off-duty officer working at the club wrote that Ms. Mills identified Mr. Holmes as the person who struck her with a glass.Mr. Holmes denied it and told police that a female club patron had thrown the glass that struck Ms. Mills.Mr. Holmes told officers that Ms. Mills took his seat when he stepped away and she refused to give it back. Mr. Holmes said Ms. Mills grabbed his wrist. When he snatched it away, the report said, she "got in his face" and used a racial epithet.The officer, unable to resolve the conflicting stories, told the two he would file charges against Mr. Holmes."Mills then asked this officer if she could speak to Holmes alone. I said yes and Holmes agreed to speak with her. They then walked several feet away from me and had a conversation," the report said."This officer observed Mills smiling and rubbing Holmes' face just moments after walking off together. Five minutes later the two returned and Mills advised this officer that they had resolved the matter and that she did not wish to press charges or get Holmes into any trouble."Mr. Reeves denied that his client used any racial slur. As for the officer's depiction of Ms. Mills' conduct while talking to Mr. Holmes in front of the officer, he said, "Our client did not rub his face or smile with him after the incident. ... We stand by our client's position."That morning, Ms. Mills filled out a statement to police in which she wrote: "A drink was thrown in my face. I was hurt bleeding but I refuse to prosecute the perpetrator for the incident."The suit claims that Ms. Mills, "feeling pressured made a short victim statement incoherently stating that she was hit in the face and bleeding near her eyes, however, intended not to press charges."Neither Mr. Holmes nor his agent, Joel Segal, could be reached for comment.Executives with J.J. Whispers Group Inc. did not return messages.Ms. Mills, a senior at the University of Central Florida, was charged in October by the Orange County Sheriff's Office with trespassing and resisting an officer without violence, both misdemeanors.A police report states that Ms. Mills took someone else's ticketed seat at the university's Bright House Networks Stadium. She refused to get up and resisted an officer's efforts to get her to leave. She was found guilty in February.In June, university police charged Ms. Mills with dating violence, battery and trespassing at an apartment.Ms. Mills and a man in the residence told police that she pushed him into a wall, creating a hole. The man, who had scratch marks on his neck, told Ms. Mills to leave but she refused, according to a witness.A court ordered Ms. Mills to have no contact with the alleged victim. The case is pending.Mr. Cooper had no comment on his client's criminal record.
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Let me preface this post by saying I think Santonio Holmes is a punk and that I wish he was not a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Having cleared that up -- this is an obvious money grab. I doubt that she was seriously hurt or suffered any emotional distress. She doesn't sound like a very nice person and it is too bad she is suing Holmes because the two of them deserve each other.

 
Godsbrother said:
Let me preface this post by saying I think Santonio Holmes is a punk and that I wish he was not a Pittsburgh Steeler. Having cleared that up -- this is an obvious money grab. I doubt that she was seriously hurt or suffered any emotional distress. She doesn't sound like a very nice person and it is too bad she is suing Holmes because the two of them deserve each other.
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Holmes is not a model citizen, but I don't understand all the hate. I'm glad he's a Steeler.This woman is looking for a lottery ticket.
 
Godsbrother said:
Let me preface this post by saying I think Santonio Holmes is a punk and that I wish he was not a Pittsburgh Steeler. Having cleared that up -- this is an obvious money grab. I doubt that she was seriously hurt or suffered any emotional distress. She doesn't sound like a very nice person and it is too bad she is suing Holmes because the two of them deserve each other.
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WTH GB?Holmes isn't the most mature person in the world, but his ability to command consistent safety attention, beat press coverage with ease, and threaten the deep seam is far more compelling to me than any off-field silliness.He helps the Steelers win games bottom line. I care far more about that fact than if he makes a good neighbor.Couldn't be happier he's a Steeler.
 
(Rotoworld) The woman suing Santonio Holmes over a March 7 nightclub incident has changed her mind and now wants the receiver to face criminal charges.

Analysis: The woman originally declined to press charges and stated that she didn't want to get Holmes in trouble. Despite the woman's obvious flakiness, police have chosen to re-activate the case that was closed on Tuesday. The woman is also seeking $15,000 in a civil suit while Holmes and his lawyer adamantly deny his involvement.

 
identikit said:
(Rotoworld) The woman suing Santonio Holmes over a March 7 nightclub incident has changed her mind and now wants the receiver to face criminal charges.

Analysis: The woman originally declined to press charges and stated that she didn't want to get Holmes in trouble. Despite the woman's obvious flakiness, police have chosen to re-activate the case that was closed on Tuesday. The woman is also seeking $15,000 in a civil suit while Holmes and his lawyer adamantly deny his involvement.
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You didn't pay, now I will make you pay.
 
anakin said:
identikit said:
(Rotoworld) The woman suing Santonio Holmes over a March 7 nightclub incident has changed her mind and now wants the receiver to face criminal charges.

Analysis: The woman originally declined to press charges and stated that she didn't want to get Holmes in trouble. Despite the woman's obvious flakiness, police have chosen to re-activate the case that was closed on Tuesday. The woman is also seeking $15,000 in a civil suit while Holmes and his lawyer adamantly deny his involvement.
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You didn't pay, now I will make you pay.
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Wow, talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
identikit said:
(Rotoworld) The woman suing Santonio Holmes over a March 7 nightclub incident has changed her mind and now wants the receiver to face criminal charges.

Analysis: The woman originally declined to press charges and stated that she didn't want to get Holmes in trouble. Despite the woman's obvious flakiness, police have chosen to re-activate the case that was closed on Tuesday. The woman is also seeking $15,000 in a civil suit while Holmes and his lawyer adamantly deny his involvement.
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Re-activate the case is PR talk from police. No charges will be filed against Holmes.
 
treat88 said:
Godsbrother said:
Let me preface this post by saying I think Santonio Holmes is a punk and that I wish he was not a Pittsburgh Steeler. Having cleared that up -- this is an obvious money grab. I doubt that she was seriously hurt or suffered any emotional distress. She doesn't sound like a very nice person and it is too bad she is suing Holmes because the two of them deserve each other.
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WTH GB?Holmes isn't the most mature person in the world, but his ability to command consistent safety attention, beat press coverage with ease, and threaten the deep seam is far more compelling to me than any off-field silliness.He helps the Steelers win games bottom line. I care far more about that fact than if he makes a good neighbor.Couldn't be happier he's a Steeler.
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I guess I've just grown tired of his antics. :lmao: I do think this woman is full of crap though.
 
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