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Next years RB or WR compared to this years? (1 Viewer)
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
The top RB's will be much better next year, but not as deep as this class. WR's should be good, although no Green or Jones.
offdee
Footballguy
QB: Andrew Luck better than anything in 2011 draft.
RB: Trent Richardson better than anything in 2011 draft. But, 2011 draft much, much deeper. LaMichael James most likely next best after Richardson who is on par with Ryan Williams.
WR: AJ Green better than 2012 WRs. Alshon Jeffrey better than Julio Jones. Justin Blackmon and Julio Jones are similar talents.
RB: Trent Richardson better than anything in 2011 draft. But, 2011 draft much, much deeper. LaMichael James most likely next best after Richardson who is on par with Ryan Williams.
WR: AJ Green better than 2012 WRs. Alshon Jeffrey better than Julio Jones. Justin Blackmon and Julio Jones are similar talents.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Dont forget Kniles Davis, he is going to be a beast. I like Williams this year, but i prefer James at this point, of course alot could change by this time next year.
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Richardson(barring injury) will be a top 15 pick no doubt, I like knile davis as well. The guy I like to drop the most is Lamichael James...Lache Seastrunk is gonna steal more carries than people except (ala Mark Ingram Trent Richardson situation)Overall I believe the rb class at the top is clearly better ,im not sure about the depth yet,that seems to develop throughout the season.
The WR class is clearly a step down from this one. Anyone comparing Jeffery and Blackmon to Julio need to temper there enthusiasm IMO. If you dont agree ask yourself this question. Do you see either Alshon Jeffery or Justin Blackmon going in the top 6 of the draft next year as of now? I dont,After watching Alshons highlights from last year I expect his stock to drop a little bit,Kinda looks like a combination of (big)mike Williams and Brandon Lafell to me. Has a lot of talent but kinda slow and if he doesnt possess a fantastic work ethic i could see him falling out of the first round.
The WR class is clearly a step down from this one. Anyone comparing Jeffery and Blackmon to Julio need to temper there enthusiasm IMO. If you dont agree ask yourself this question. Do you see either Alshon Jeffery or Justin Blackmon going in the top 6 of the draft next year as of now? I dont,After watching Alshons highlights from last year I expect his stock to drop a little bit,Kinda looks like a combination of (big)mike Williams and Brandon Lafell to me. Has a lot of talent but kinda slow and if he doesnt possess a fantastic work ethic i could see him falling out of the first round.
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Did anyone think a year ago that Julio Jones would go in the top 6?
Gamblin'man
Footballguy
Yes, I just expected it to be Cleveland taking him
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
A year ago, you thought Cleveland would be drafting Jones in the top 6? Man, that's some foresight.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
Yea Julio didn't light up the highlight reel. I'm waiting to see Floyd's season as well.
The NFL is in need of as many WRs as college football can dish out. However, the excess of RBs is killing me. No RB on your dynasty team is safe from having a high profile rookie added to teh depth chart in the off season. These drafts are stressful.
The NFL is in need of as many WRs as college football can dish out. However, the excess of RBs is killing me. No RB on your dynasty team is safe from having a high profile rookie added to teh depth chart in the off season. These drafts are stressful.
EBF
Footballguy
I think it has a chance to be better in both areas. I agree with others that Richardson is a better pro prospect than Ingram.
I don't feel that Green and Jones were super elite prospects despite their draft position. As I've said elsewhere, I had Bryant and Thomas rated higher last year. I think Green and Jones have been slightly overrated and have benefited from a weak draft class.
If you look at Blackmon, he was a more dominant college player last year than either of them. He appears to have first round physical tools, so I expect him to be in the top 10 conversation if he has another big season. I'm not so high on Jeffery, but the production is there and he has the height that teams like.
Having said that, much will depend on the events of the 2011 NCAA season. A year ago very few people knew who Cam Newton, Mikel Leshoure, and Justin Blackmon were. Players always emerge.
I don't feel that Green and Jones were super elite prospects despite their draft position. As I've said elsewhere, I had Bryant and Thomas rated higher last year. I think Green and Jones have been slightly overrated and have benefited from a weak draft class.
If you look at Blackmon, he was a more dominant college player last year than either of them. He appears to have first round physical tools, so I expect him to be in the top 10 conversation if he has another big season. I'm not so high on Jeffery, but the production is there and he has the height that teams like.
Having said that, much will depend on the events of the 2011 NCAA season. A year ago very few people knew who Cam Newton, Mikel Leshoure, and Justin Blackmon were. Players always emerge.
The real answer to this question is: No one knows. There are going to be first year starters in college that light it up, and some "sure thing" guys will get injured or under perform. There will also be guys with moderate college production due to situation who light it up at the combine. All these things will change the preconceived notions about the 2012 draft crop.
Boom Switch
Footballguy
I like Knile Davis over James for next year..Jeffrey, Blackmon and Floyd will be as good as the wr's next year imo...
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Like next years draft as of now. I think theres going to be 6-8 elite prospects next year vs the 3 this year.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Winner. /thread
James is not a great NFL prospect, I don't get why so many are in love with a 5'8" - 5'9"/180 - 185lb guy who projects as more of a scatback for the NFL.James is not sniffing the 1st round of the NFL draft and could fall pretty far.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Hes super fast and explosive though. I think he could very well be a 1st round pick if he weighs 190 at the combine and runs a sub 4.4.
James is not sniffing the 1st round of the NFL draft and could fall pretty far.
jurb26
Footballguy
The odds that James is taken in the 1st round are virtually 0. He's not a complete enough player, is undersized, there is almost no way to project him between the tackles as a runner and the position he plays is severely devalued in today's NFL.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Like i said if he weighs in at 190 or above and runs in the 4.3s or better it wouldnt surprise me. The homerun hitter type are the RBs going in the 1st round now. Many of the top backs in the game now weighed in at sub 200 at the combine.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
I will respectfully disagree on the point of Jones and Green being overrated. Blackmon played against clearly inferior competition in a spread offense.He was not a more dominant player than green in any way, shape or form. Georgia was a mess when Green missed the first 4 games going 1-3 and scoring over 31 points only once (against Louisiana-Lafayette).Once green came back they went 5-4 and scoring over 40 points in all 5 of there wins. I understand 5-4 isn't that great of a record but, if you look a little closer you would realize in three of those games they lost, it was by a combined 9 points and the other game was against the national championship winning Auburn Tigers(in that game Green had a stat-line of 9 catches for 164 yards and 2 tds). Also, even in those losses they still scored over 27 points in all but 1 of them.The point is that Green had a humongous impact on the success of the Georgia Bulldogs last year making them into one of the best offenses in the nation when he came back. Not many WRs can do that. Sometimes you have to look beyond the stats when it comes to different styles of offense. Adding onto that point another positive pointing in Greens direction is that he's already played in a pro-style offense so it will be easier for him to come in right away and have some sort of clue as to what he's doing.
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EBF
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SEC homers always talk about "SEC defenses" like they're 10x tougher than anything other prospects face, but if you look at the number of NFL prospects drafted per team over the past decade or so, you'll see that the difference in talent between SEC/Pac-10/Big 10/Big 12 is slim. Basically, dominating in one automatic BCS qualifier super conference isn't any more impressive than dominating in another.
So I don't buy the idea that Blackmon's monstrous campaign in the Big 12 is less significant than what Green or Jones did in the SEC. I think you make a valid point about the system. OSU was a productive offense and their quarterback is probably better than Georgia's or Alabama's.
Still, Blackmon had an INCREDIBLE season last year. 1700+ yards in just 12 games.
100+ yards. Every. Single. Game.
No one was more dominant last year.
So I don't buy the idea that Blackmon's monstrous campaign in the Big 12 is less significant than what Green or Jones did in the SEC. I think you make a valid point about the system. OSU was a productive offense and their quarterback is probably better than Georgia's or Alabama's.
Still, Blackmon had an INCREDIBLE season last year. 1700+ yards in just 12 games.
100+ yards. Every. Single. Game.
No one was more dominant last year.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Next Year is Always Going to be Better!
sihaokills
Footballguy
I think the WR class is better, Jeffery and Blackmon is close to Jones and Green... Micheal Floyd makes it uneven and their are a few more stud WRs out there
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Maybe there is something to playing in a spread offense compared to the NFL. Crabtree was all world in college and looks merely mortal as a pro and he comes from a spread offense as well. What are they saying about Blackmon's negatives and how does it compare to the Crabtree negatives?
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Hasn't Blackmon been in trouble with the police multiple times?
sihaokills
Footballguy
That has been a issue but i think he could develop into a more mature person
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I thought he just had one DWI. Not sure though.
Right now there is a big 5 and likely a couple more will be in that group by years end. More elite talent in 2012 but less depth.
The big 5 are obviously:
Trent Richardson - far better then any 2011 RB
Kniles Davis - as good or better then any 2011 RB
Alshon Jeffery - on AJ green type level
Justin Blackmon - just below aj green/Julio
Andrew Luck - the chosen one
So we have a rock solid top 5 of elite talents much better then this years, plus when a couple more emerge we will have a very nice grouping of top notch prospects throughthe mid 1st of rookie drafts.
The big 5 are obviously:
Trent Richardson - far better then any 2011 RB
Kniles Davis - as good or better then any 2011 RB
Alshon Jeffery - on AJ green type level
Justin Blackmon - just below aj green/Julio
Andrew Luck - the chosen one
So we have a rock solid top 5 of elite talents much better then this years, plus when a couple more emerge we will have a very nice grouping of top notch prospects throughthe mid 1st of rookie drafts.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Huh?People have had both Green and Jones pegged as elite, probable top 10 picks for a lot longer than just last year.
jurb26
Footballguy
Right now there is no way I would put Jeffery on par with Green. He doesn't seem like nearly as fluid an athlete to me and his foot quickness is a notch bellow as well. He is still the best WR in next years class, just not as good as either Green or Jones IMO. I'm going to try and watch him closely this year to see if he changes my mind on that. I also think that Richardson is being overrated a bit. Sure, he is the best RB of the last 2 classes but to say he is far better than Ingram is a stretch. For instance I don't think the separation between Davis and Richardson is nearly a large as most others. Right now I only see the 2012 class as having 2 elite skill players, Luck and Richardson. I don't feel any of the WRs are elite but they could change my mind in 8 months. I think Davis is very, very good but not elite. A guy that I feel isn't getting talked about enough for next year is Matt Barkley. It's not just Luck that is easily a better QB prospect than this years group. Barkley, while not as good as Luck, should grade out a lot better than any of the QBs from this past draft.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah but EBF didn't.You're right, a lot of people had them listed as elite for about 3 years now.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
are you saying you would honestly take Jeffery and Blackmon over Green and Jones...to each his own i suppose
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
This
although I do love Richardson...I may be biased though because I've been rooting for him for a while
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jurb26
Footballguy
Re-reading my post I should clarify that yes, I do think Barkley is the better prospect than Landry Jones. Jones is on par with the top QBs from this year though. So I think there are at least 3 QBs as good or better in 2012.This
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Not that I've ever seen when it comes to Jones. He was coming off a very disappointing season going into this past year.
jurb26
Footballguy
I'm sure if you search you can find the threads. It was pointed out repeatedly that most of Jones difficulty in 2 years ago was due to the fact that he was playing injured almost the entire year. He played to his potential last year because he was healthy.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Sure, people were high on him. Me too. That doesn't mean anyone was predicting he'd go in the top 6 of the NFL Draft. No one even suggested anything like that until after the combine.
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