NFC Championship GB@Seattle (3 Viewers)

[ImTheScientist]

lol...packer fans thinking they can win this game

Lol...anyone thinking this game has been played already.

Isn't there a niners offseason thread for you to post in?

 

[smackdaddies]

I'm also not sure Seattle is the better rushing team. Green Bay runs whenever they want to run on anyone they want to run on. At least they did for the last month or so. Lacy hung 100 on Detroit who has a better rush defense than Seattle does. They are going to move the ball on the ground. So is Seattle.

Detroit was ranked 1st in run defense...Seattle was 3rd. Detroit "has a better rush defense." Okay...I guess that's fair..even though it's close and we know Seattle's run D improved in the last half of the season.

Seattle was number 1 in run offense....Green Bay was 11th. You aren't sure "Seattle is the better rushing team."

Alright then.

The thing is, Wilson accounts for a lot of those rushing yards right? Well, I thought about that a little bit (scary I know) and those numbers are skewed quite a bit because of the teams' respective offensive philosophies. Marshawn is phenomenal no doubt. But so is Lacy. Wilson pads those rushing numbers but really isn't close to Rodgers in passing numbers. He's very good, maybe as good as Rodgers even.

Where Wilson might rush for 25 yards on a scramble, Rodgers is more inclined to throw. But on designed runs, I put Lacy up against anyone this week (unless that asthmas thing rears its ugly head again).

We're two homers so I doubt there is going to be a meaningful debate here, but if GB asked Seattle to switch RBs for this game I think Seattle probably doesn't stop laughing until after they win the Super Bowl. On the other hand they would give Seattle Lacy, Starks, and throw in one of their Lombardi trophies to get Lynch for this game.

I know GB fans want to think they have the "next Marshawn Lynch" but I've never seen Lacy throw people around like Lynch has done many, many times over the past three years.

Uhm, Lacy has only been in the league for 2 seasons. Lynch wasn't throwing anybody around until well after he got to Seattle - his 7th year in the league.

Lynch was traded to Seattle in the middle of his 4th year, also the year of the BeastQuake. But I suppose we can compare apples to apples if you'd like. I invite you to watch an Eddie Lacy 2014 compilation and the a 2008 Marshawn Lynch version.

Eddie Lacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiiwx0CJP_U

Marshawn Lynch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdgTIeJWRIs

Maybe I'm seeing only what I want to see, but those two don't even look the same. Lacy looks slow and weak with no wiggle by comparison.

Slow I will give you, at least compared to speedsters

But weak? Put away the crack pipe. He is a freaking bull in the china shop

"by comparison". I see Lacy with a full head of steam run into a defender and fall forward for an extra yard or two. Lynch is almost always gang tackled. Look, I'm not saying Lacy is bad but if you're going to compare the two and say they are "even" I think that's a huge disservice to Marshawn Lynch; he's been one of the best RBs in the game the past 3 years.

1) I never said he was better than lynch, because he is not

2) If you think all he does is "fall forward" for an extra yard, you have not watched him play.

Most yards after contact among running backs the last 2 seasons: 1. Lynch: 1,281 2. Lacy 1,111 Per @ESPNStatsInfo http://es.pn/14ZgjEl

So

So yes, Beast is the beast. But to suggest Lacy is not strong is to not have a grip on reality

So yes,

 

[SproutDaddy]

Pop Quiz:

Which of these quarterbacks has more wins than Russell Wilson since he started as a rookie in 2012?

• Peyton Manning
• Tom Brady
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Andrew Luck
• Matt Ryan
• Phillip Rivers
• Tony Romo
• Joe Flacco
• None of the above

And this matters because he was drafted into an equal situation, right?

He has more wins than Peyton, Brady and Brees. I'm pretty sure they weren't drafted into situations in 2012.

I think you're missing the point. I love Wilson, but that statistic doesn't mean much. As a Saints fan I can only imagine having a defense like Seattle's.

 

[CapnJB]

Pop Quiz:

Which of these quarterbacks has more wins than Russell Wilson since he started as a rookie in 2012?

• Peyton Manning
• Tom Brady
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Andrew Luck
• Matt Ryan
• Phillip Rivers
• Tony Romo
• Joe Flacco
• None of the above

And this matters because he was drafted into an equal situation, right?

He has more wins than Peyton, Brady and Brees. I'm pretty sure they weren't drafted into situations in 2012.

I think you're missing the point. I love Wilson, but that statistic doesn't mean much. As a Saints fan I can only imagine having a defense like Seattle's.

True. It doesn't mean much. Especially to those who dismiss him as a game manager. As a (somewhat obsessive) fan of the Seahawks I've watched every game... mostly drunk... and re-watched every game a few times mostly sober. Wilson is a special kid and it's way too early but I would bet an awful lot that he's on a hall of fame career path.

I posted what I posted because I saw something today that had Wilson with more wins than Peyton during his time with the Broncos. I knew Wilson had more wins than any other QB in his first three years but hadn't looked into the fact that Wilson actually had more wins in that same stretch than any other QB in the league, rookie or otherwise. I know it's not just Wilson who is responsible for those wins but I've seen him take control and carry the team. His 4th quarter comebacks is another stat for another day.

Anywho... in a thread filled with 'OMG MY TEAM 100 UR TEAM 0' I thought it might be an interesting data point. I'll guess I'll just wait for the game to be played.

 

[proninja]

Does it have to be a be all end all star to be interesting and mean something?

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think anyone who knows anything about football thinks Wilson is a game manager. He doesn't put up video game stats but he doesn't need to. I have no doubt that if the Hawks lose Marshawn and can't find a viable replacement, Wilson is going to take big leaps in year end stats. He's basically a shorter faster Aaron Rodgers if you ask me.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Pop Quiz:

Which of these quarterbacks has more wins than Russell Wilson since he started as a rookie in 2012?

• Peyton Manning
• Tom Brady
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Andrew Luck
• Matt Ryan
• Phillip Rivers
• Tony Romo
• Joe Flacco
• None of the above

And this matters because he was drafted into an equal situation, right?

He has more wins than Peyton, Brady and Brees. I'm pretty sure they weren't drafted into situations in 2012.

I think you're missing the point. I love Wilson, but that statistic doesn't mean much. As a Saints fan I can only imagine having a defense like Seattle's.

True. It doesn't mean much. Especially to those who dismiss him as a game manager. As a (somewhat obsessive) fan of the Seahawks I've watched every game... mostly drunk... and re-watched every game a few times mostly sober. Wilson is a special kid and it's way too early but I would bet an awful lot that he's on a hall of fame career path. I posted what I posted because I saw something today that had Wilson with more wins than Peyton during his time with the Broncos. I knew Wilson had more wins than any other QB in his first three years but hadn't looked into the fact that Wilson actually had more wins in that same stretch than any other QB in the league, rookie or otherwise. I know it's not just Wilson who is responsible for those wins but I've seen him take control and carry the team. His 4th quarter comebacks is another stat for another day.

Anywho... in a thread filled with 'OMG MY TEAM 100 UR TEAM 0' I thought it might be an interesting data point. I'll guess I'll just wait for the game to be played.

Good luck finding anyone who dismisses Wilson as a "game manager." I just saw a panel of ESPN analysts all agreeing that Seattle has the stronger offense. It's a strange feelng for Packer fans to be on the wrong end of a media love-fest, but here we are for the second straight week.

 

[Wingnut]

lol...packer fans thinking they can win this game

Lol...anyone thinking this game has been played already.

Isn't there a niners offseason thread for you to post in?

You should know since you hang out 49er threads quite a bit.Pack 27, Seattle 24

 

[seahawk 17]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

 

[The Kerminator]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

 

[Wingnut]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

POTT

 

[The General]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

You ok?

 

[mrmits]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

^this

 

[cubbie5150]

Hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see any scenario other than GB in desperation mode down by 3 scores in the 4th quarter. I'm no Seahawks fan, but they have the personnel & scheme on both sides of the ball to make this one a laugher.

I just want to be entertained, so I hope it's a closer game than I'm anticipating.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

Yup

 

[devouredbychaos]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

Yup

Lol. You guys are gonna be salty as all #### when you lose..to the Pats in Arizona

 

[The Westin]

Pop Quiz:

Which of these quarterbacks has more wins than Russell Wilson since he started as a rookie in 2012?

• Peyton Manning
• Tom Brady
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Andrew Luck
• Matt Ryan
• Phillip Rivers
• Tony Romo
• Joe Flacco
• None of the above

And this matters because he was drafted into an equal situation, right?

He has more wins than Peyton, Brady and Brees. I'm pretty sure they weren't drafted into situations in 2012.

I think you're missing the point. I love Wilson, but that statistic doesn't mean much. As a Saints fan I can only imagine having a defense like Seattle's.

True. It doesn't mean much. Especially to those who dismiss him as a game manager. As a (somewhat obsessive) fan of the Seahawks I've watched every game... mostly drunk... and re-watched every game a few times mostly sober. Wilson is a special kid and it's way too early but I would bet an awful lot that he's on a hall of fame career path.

Wilson is a hell of a player, but people are always going to be a bit skeptical as to how good he really is considering he has the best defense in the NFL and the best running game in the NFL. I think most people believe that there are quite a few QBs in the NFL who would be successful in that scenario. Kind of reminds me of how everyone called Brady a game manager when he was young.

People also forget that Wilson is a large part of the reason they have the #1 running game in the league and his receivers are incredibly average. Most people probably aren't going to put Wilson with the "elite" until he has a season with stellar passing statistics. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's the way it goes.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Seahawks haven't lost by double digits since the Russell Wilson era began. They have only lost by more than a score once. Packer fans predicting a blowout or double digit win are delirious.

 

[Pipes]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Good posting. Both teams will make adjustments based off that first game. The only thing I know about Seattle is they don't have Percy now and his speed killed the Packers that first game. The Packers differences have been acknowledged already...better oline, less AJ Hawk. I'm not sure its enough to make up the difference from the first game....likely not. A gimpy Aaron Rodgers makes things look bleak for the Packers so I'm fully expecting a Seattle victory along the lines of 24-17.

However this is a legacy game for Aaron Rodgers. Already considered one of the best QBs of this generation winning a game like this and getting to a second Super Bowl adds so much to his legacy when talking about the all-time greats. He knows he needs more Super Bowls to be considered one of the best ever and he can't win another if he doesn't get there. I fully expect him to have a monster game because of this. Statistically it won't be his best game of the season but I'm confident it will be his best played game of the season. He likes to play with a chip on his shoulder and with no one giving the Packers much of a shot he has that chip.

 

[Pipes]

Seahawks haven't lost by double digits since the Russell Wilson era began. They have only lost by more than a score once. Packer fans predicting a blowout or double digit win are delirious.

So 1 Packer fan is delirious?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

lol at "the Russell Wilson era"

 

[smackdaddies]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Past performance is important. But the recent past (last 8 games) is more important then the first 8 games of the season.

Packers are far improved on D. And Rodgers is hurt. Both recent events far more important than game 1 events

 

[smackdaddies]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

winner winner, chicken dinner

KP should be called KingTroll Very sweet

 

[JFT Ben]

No one denies that Seattle has a great defense, however, does anyone else think their stats may be a little inflated? Certainly this has minimal bearing on anything and is just pre-game noise, but Packers fans are looking for anything to give them hope and fill the time until the game start.

Here's the Murderer's Row of offenses Seattle played the last 6 weeks in the regular season (QB/leading RB for the game) - four quarterbacks that were backups at the start of the year (plus Kaepernick), one great RB (that they stuffed) in McCoy, and some average to below average RBs. They should have, and did, dominate this segment of the schedule. Credit to them for executing.

week 17: Shawn Hill (backup), Tre Mason (#20 in rushing, 4 tds on the year)
Week 16: Ryan Lindley (#3 Backup), Stephan Taylor (backup, 3.3 yd ave, 1 TD on the year)
Week 15: Kaepernick (very average passer, lower than Kyle Orton on rating, just above Teddy Bridgewater), Carlos Hyde (backup)
Week 14: Mark Sanchez (backup), Shady McCoy (one of the few real RBs they faced and they handled him, #3 rusher)
Week 13: Kaepernick, Frank Gore (#9 rusher, decent, 4 Tds on the year)
Week 12: Drew Stanton (backup), Andre Ellington (#26, 3.3 yd ave, 3 tds on the year

Green Bay's defense is nowhere near as good, and seem to always let teams hang around way too long. That's very troubling since I read Seattle outscored opponents something like 100 points in the second half (I think over the season, but it could be shorter than that) [and in the 4th quarter, in the last six games above they outscored the teams 45-0].

Listening to Packers beat writers and player interviews on the radio this week, they sound loose and that their experience earlier in the year will at least help them mentally with what to expect at the CLink. I don't expect they'll throw much at Sherman though - that guy is awesome. Will be interesting to see the Seattle injury report today - I saw their starting RT and DT did not practice yesterday, not sure if it's anything (listed as knee/shoulder I believe).

 

[zoonation]

Let's face it. The Packers don't stand a chance against the defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody knows it. The Seahawks know it. The Packers know it. Vegas knows it. The NFL knows it. The only reason they are playing the game is for the television revenue. I mean, why else would they be playing it? The Seahawks are far superior to any NFL team. Not only this year but to any NFL team to ever play the game. What amazes me though is that the Seahwak's fans somehow manage to stay so humble.

Yup

lol. need help with that hook?

 

[ImTheScientist]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

 

[The General]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

That argument only woks when talking about defense and the quality of the opposing quarterbacks.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

Run defense is a huge concern for Packers imo. D. Murray ran wild at Lambeau last week, could have had much more than the 120+ yards he ended up with. The Bills were also able to run very effectively on the Pack last month. They did manage to shut down Doug Martin and the Bucs in week 17 ...

 

[ScottyDog]

I'm also not sure Seattle is the better rushing team. Green Bay runs whenever they want to run on anyone they want to run on. At least they did for the last month or so. Lacy hung 100 on Detroit who has a better rush defense than Seattle does. They are going to move the ball on the ground. So is Seattle.

Detroit was ranked 1st in run defense...Seattle was 3rd. Detroit "has a better rush defense." Okay...I guess that's fair..even though it's close and we know Seattle's run D improved in the last half of the season.

Seattle was number 1 in run offense....Green Bay was 11th. You aren't sure "Seattle is the better rushing team."

Alright then.

The thing is, Wilson accounts for a lot of those rushing yards right? Well, I thought about that a little bit (scary I know) and those numbers are skewed quite a bit because of the teams' respective offensive philosophies. Marshawn is phenomenal no doubt. But so is Lacy. Wilson pads those rushing numbers but really isn't close to Rodgers in passing numbers. He's very good, maybe as good as Rodgers even.

Where Wilson might rush for 25 yards on a scramble, Rodgers is more inclined to throw. But on designed runs, I put Lacy up against anyone this week (unless that asthmas thing rears its ugly head again).

We're two homers so I doubt there is going to be a meaningful debate here, but if GB asked Seattle to switch RBs for this game I think Seattle probably doesn't stop laughing until after they win the Super Bowl. On the other hand they would give Seattle Lacy, Starks, and throw in one of their Lombardi trophies to get Lynch for this game.

I know GB fans want to think they have the "next Marshawn Lynch" but I've never seen Lacy throw people around like Lynch has done many, many times over the past three years.

Uhm, Lacy has only been in the league for 2 seasons. Lynch wasn't throwing anybody around until well after he got to Seattle - his 7th year in the league.

Lynch was traded to Seattle in the middle of his 4th year, also the year of the BeastQuake. But I suppose we can compare apples to apples if you'd like. I invite you to watch an Eddie Lacy 2014 compilation and the a 2008 Marshawn Lynch version.

Eddie Lacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiiwx0CJP_U

Marshawn Lynch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdgTIeJWRIs

Maybe I'm seeing only what I want to see, but those two don't even look the same. Lacy looks slow and weak with no wiggle by comparison.

Slow I will give you, at least compared to speedsters

But weak? Put away the crack pipe. He is a freaking bull in the china shop

"by comparison". I see Lacy with a full head of steam run into a defender and fall forward for an extra yard or two. Lynch is almost always gang tackled. Look, I'm not saying Lacy is bad but if you're going to compare the two and say they are "even" I think that's a huge disservice to Marshawn Lynch; he's been one of the best RBs in the game the past 3 years.

1) I never said he was better than lynch, because he is not

2) If you think all he does is "fall forward" for an extra yard, you have not watched him play.

Most yards after contact among running backs the last 2 seasons: 1. Lynch: 1,281 2. Lacy 1,111 Per @ESPNStatsInfo http://es.pn/14ZgjEl

So

So yes, Beast is the beast. But to suggest Lacy is not strong is to not have a grip on reality

So yes,

Cam Chancellor and Bobby Wagner will be tackling Lacy on Sunday, they will not be tackling Lynch. I would not be too confident about the running game prospects if I were a Packer fan.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Yep you're right. The 1st game is exactly how this one will go down.

Bummer

 

[smackdaddies]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

Run defense is a huge concern for Packers imo. D. Murray ran wild at Lambeau last week, could have had much more than the 120+ yards he ended up with. The Bills were also able to run very effectively on the Pack last month. They did manage to shut down Doug Martin and the Bucs in week 17 ...

DeMarco had one good run, and ended up with a per carry average less than Lacy. He had a good game, but in no way was he "running wild".

 

[ImTheScientist]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Yep you're right. The 1st game is exactly how this one will go down.Bummer

Highly likely, go read through packer fan comments before that game and you will see similarities.

 

[Mr.Pack]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

The Packer Defense is putrid, let's face facts here.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Just get it out of the way here.

The Packers have NO chance on Sunday. None.

None

 

[ImTheScientist]

Just get it out of the way here.

The Packers have NO chance on Sunday. None.

None

I agree 100%. Your team will lose the game Sunday but least you will be correct and win the internet on Sunday.

 

[Freelove]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

Run defense is a huge concern for Packers imo. D. Murray ran wild at Lambeau last week, could have had much more than the 120+ yards he ended up with. The Bills were also able to run very effectively on the Pack last month. They did manage to shut down Doug Martin and the Bucs in week 17 ...

DeMarco had one good run, and ended up with a per carry average less than Lacy. He had a good game, but in no way was he "running wild".

Well, Murray clearly had more than one good run. But still, in this context, I think "running wild" refers to the fact that the Seahawks were completely incapable of bottling up the Cowboy offesne, the most important component of which were the 28 Murray carries that led to roughly double the time of possession, leaving the game-managing Seattle offense hopelessly at sea, as they always are when they get punched in the mouth.

Full props to the SEA special teams, since without their handful of miracle plays that game, it would have been a three-TD+ rout. But you guys need to contain Lacy a lot better than that, since once you get behind, Russ and another 47.6 QBR aren't going to get it done. :(

 

[sho nuff]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Watch film yes...but that past performance means exactly squat in the postseason as far as who will win. Not upset GB got routed in game one. If they come back and win this game...that game means what exactly? Nothing other than the Packers didn't get the NFC title game at home (though, that game means no more or less than the Buffalo, Saints, or Detroit losses in terms of record and home field for the playoffs).

Agreed on Lynch and Lacy...both very good powerful backs. One more on the end of his career...one just starting hoping he has a career that goes as long and as well as Lynch.

 

[sho nuff]

Seahawks haven't lost by double digits since the Russell Wilson era began. They have only lost by more than a score once. Packer fans predicting a blowout or double digit win are delirious.

Very few are...and Id guess those in this thread doing it are tongue in cheek acting like...well, you.

HTH

 

[sho nuff]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Good posting. Both teams will make adjustments based off that first game. The only thing I know about Seattle is they don't have Percy now and his speed killed the Packers that first game. The Packers differences have been acknowledged already...better oline, less AJ Hawk. I'm not sure its enough to make up the difference from the first game....likely not. A gimpy Aaron Rodgers makes things look bleak for the Packers so I'm fully expecting a Seattle victory along the lines of 24-17.

However this is a legacy game for Aaron Rodgers. Already considered one of the best QBs of this generation winning a game like this and getting to a second Super Bowl adds so much to his legacy when talking about the all-time greats. He knows he needs more Super Bowls to be considered one of the best ever and he can't win another if he doesn't get there. I fully expect him to have a monster game because of this. Statistically it won't be his best game of the season but I'm confident it will be his best played game of the season. He likes to play with a chip on his shoulder and with no one giving the Packers much of a shot he has that chip.

I think the chip on his shoulder is huge this week...so many people doubting him and them.

He pulls this off...huge legacy game as you say.

 

[sho nuff]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

Forte

McCoy

This DeMarco Murray guy is pretty good.

Minnesota for the year was top half of the league rushing wise.

The point is...the overall number for yards per game for GB is skewed by how terrible they were early in the year.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Watch film yes...but that past performance means exactly squat in the postseason as far as who will win. Not upset GB got routed in game one. If they come back and win this game...that game means what exactly? Nothing other than the Packers didn't get the NFC title game at home (though, that game means no more or less than the Buffalo, Saints, or Detroit losses in terms of record and home field for the playoffs).

Agreed on Lynch and Lacy...both very good powerful backs. One more on the end of his career...one just starting hoping he has a career that goes as long and as well as Lynch.

It means something that the Hawks won... Saying otherwise is being delusional.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Good posting. Both teams will make adjustments based off that first game. The only thing I know about Seattle is they don't have Percy now and his speed killed the Packers that first game. The Packers differences have been acknowledged already...better oline, less AJ Hawk. I'm not sure its enough to make up the difference from the first game....likely not. A gimpy Aaron Rodgers makes things look bleak for the Packers so I'm fully expecting a Seattle victory along the lines of 24-17.However this is a legacy game for Aaron Rodgers. Already considered one of the best QBs of this generation winning a game like this and getting to a second Super Bowl adds so much to his legacy when talking about the all-time greats. He knows he needs more Super Bowls to be considered one of the best ever and he can't win another if he doesn't get there. I fully expect him to have a monster game because of this. Statistically it won't be his best game of the season but I'm confident it will be his best played game of the season. He likes to play with a chip on his shoulder and with no one giving the Packers much of a shot he has that chip.

I think the chip on his shoulder is huge this week...so many people doubting him and them.

He pulls this off...huge legacy game as you say.

The entire Hawks team has a chip on their shoulder. They win this and they win the next they are considered a dynasty.

 

[sho nuff]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Watch film yes...but that past performance means exactly squat in the postseason as far as who will win. Not upset GB got routed in game one. If they come back and win this game...that game means what exactly? Nothing other than the Packers didn't get the NFC title game at home (though, that game means no more or less than the Buffalo, Saints, or Detroit losses in terms of record and home field for the playoffs).

Agreed on Lynch and Lacy...both very good powerful backs. One more on the end of his career...one just starting hoping he has a career that goes as long and as well as Lynch.

It means something that the Hawks won... Saying otherwise is being delusional.

It means that day the Hawks won...and yeah, it affected playoff seeding.

Do you think that win means anything about this game other than it being played in Seattle?

Not how the game progressed or was played...but simply the win or loss?

Talk about delusional.

Did NE beating NY in the regular season when they went undefeated matter when NY beat them in the SB?

Not really...and that was played much closer together.

These teams are both very different than week 1. There are thinkgs both will study as far as how they played situationally...but the outcome of that game means zero right now.

 

[sho nuff]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Good posting. Both teams will make adjustments based off that first game. The only thing I know about Seattle is they don't have Percy now and his speed killed the Packers that first game. The Packers differences have been acknowledged already...better oline, less AJ Hawk. I'm not sure its enough to make up the difference from the first game....likely not. A gimpy Aaron Rodgers makes things look bleak for the Packers so I'm fully expecting a Seattle victory along the lines of 24-17.However this is a legacy game for Aaron Rodgers. Already considered one of the best QBs of this generation winning a game like this and getting to a second Super Bowl adds so much to his legacy when talking about the all-time greats. He knows he needs more Super Bowls to be considered one of the best ever and he can't win another if he doesn't get there. I fully expect him to have a monster game because of this. Statistically it won't be his best game of the season but I'm confident it will be his best played game of the season. He likes to play with a chip on his shoulder and with no one giving the Packers much of a shot he has that chip.

I think the chip on his shoulder is huge this week...so many people doubting him and them.

He pulls this off...huge legacy game as you say.

The entire Hawks team has a chip on their shoulder. They win this and they win the next they are considered a dynasty.

I don't think you understand what chip on their shoulder means...they are considered a great D already...nobody doubting them.

They are a great team and could be a dynasty...congrats I guess.

 

[Burl]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Good posting. Both teams will make adjustments based off that first game. The only thing I know about Seattle is they don't have Percy now and his speed killed the Packers that first game. The Packers differences have been acknowledged already...better oline, less AJ Hawk. I'm not sure its enough to make up the difference from the first game....likely not. A gimpy Aaron Rodgers makes things look bleak for the Packers so I'm fully expecting a Seattle victory along the lines of 24-17.However this is a legacy game for Aaron Rodgers. Already considered one of the best QBs of this generation winning a game like this and getting to a second Super Bowl adds so much to his legacy when talking about the all-time greats. He knows he needs more Super Bowls to be considered one of the best ever and he can't win another if he doesn't get there. I fully expect him to have a monster game because of this. Statistically it won't be his best game of the season but I'm confident it will be his best played game of the season. He likes to play with a chip on his shoulder and with no one giving the Packers much of a shot he has that chip.

I think the chip on his shoulder is huge this week...so many people doubting him and them.

He pulls this off...huge legacy game as you say.

The entire Hawks team has a chip on their shoulder. They win this and they win the next they are considered a dynasty.

I don't think you understand what chip on their shoulder means...they are considered a great D already...nobody doubting them.

They are a great team and could be a dynasty...congrats I guess.

I don't see how Seattle can have a chip on their shoulder when NO ONE is picking Green Bay. For crying out loud, most of the Green Bay fans are picking Seattle. If anyone has got a chip on their should, it is Green Bay for everyone doubting them.

 

[sho nuff]

Past performance is generally the best predictor of future behavior. Those of you who are saying that the first game is not meaningful, are just upset that GB got routed. I guarantee both teams watched film from the first game and got some form of game planning from it.

Lynch and Lacy are very similar RB's and as others have pointed out, they have similar stats. I have posted it before... I call Lacy "Baby Lynch." Seahawk fans need to be less sensitive in the comparison. At this stage Lynch is the better of the two. Lacy getting hurt in game one was a large blow.

GB could win, but won't. A hobbled Rodgers dooms them. Seattle 34 GB 20.

Good posting. Both teams will make adjustments based off that first game. The only thing I know about Seattle is they don't have Percy now and his speed killed the Packers that first game. The Packers differences have been acknowledged already...better oline, less AJ Hawk. I'm not sure its enough to make up the difference from the first game....likely not. A gimpy Aaron Rodgers makes things look bleak for the Packers so I'm fully expecting a Seattle victory along the lines of 24-17.However this is a legacy game for Aaron Rodgers. Already considered one of the best QBs of this generation winning a game like this and getting to a second Super Bowl adds so much to his legacy when talking about the all-time greats. He knows he needs more Super Bowls to be considered one of the best ever and he can't win another if he doesn't get there. I fully expect him to have a monster game because of this. Statistically it won't be his best game of the season but I'm confident it will be his best played game of the season. He likes to play with a chip on his shoulder and with no one giving the Packers much of a shot he has that chip.

I think the chip on his shoulder is huge this week...so many people doubting him and them.

He pulls this off...huge legacy game as you say.

The entire Hawks team has a chip on their shoulder. They win this and they win the next they are considered a dynasty.

I don't think you understand what chip on their shoulder means...they are considered a great D already...nobody doubting them.

They are a great team and could be a dynasty...congrats I guess.

I don't see how Seattle can have a chip on their shoulder when NO ONE is picking Green Bay. For crying out loud, most of the Green Bay fans are picking Seattle. If anyone has got a chip on their should, it is Green Bay for everyone doubting them.

That is because you are thinking logically...

 

[MarcO]

I know packer fans are saying their run defense has improved the second half of the season. I just checked the schedule and what RBs did you actually play that were good?

Run defense is a huge concern for Packers imo. D. Murray ran wild at Lambeau last week, could have had much more than the 120+ yards he ended up with. The Bills were also able to run very effectively on the Pack last month. They did manage to shut down Doug Martin and the Bucs in week 17 ...

DeMarco had one good run, and ended up with a per carry average less than Lacy. He had a good game, but in no way was he "running wild".

Well, Murray clearly had more than one good run. But still, in this context, I think "running wild" refers to the fact that the Seahawks were completely incapable of bottling up the Cowboy offesne, the most important component of which were the 28 Murray carries that led to roughly double the time of possession, leaving the game-managing Seattle offense hopelessly at sea, as they always are when they get punched in the mouth.

Full props to the SEA special teams, since without their handful of miracle plays that game, it would have been a three-TD+ rout. But you guys need to contain Lacy a lot better than that, since once you get behind, Russ and another 47.6 QBR aren't going to get it done. :(

clearly you did not watch this game - Murray had 28 carries and was bottled up most of the game with the exception of 1 drive where he had 46 yards on 4 carries. All of the yards came after the Terrance Williams sideline catch, which clearly rattled the defense. Take away that catch and I think Seattle wins the game despite how poorly they played and how dysfunctional the offense was at that point (Harvin refused to go in at the end of the game leaving Bryan Walters to play his role on offense).

 

[Wingnut]

OK, I'm convinced. Rodgers and Green Bay should just sit with the crowd and watch Seattle go up and down the field unopposed. Most senseless game in NFL history, they should move the line to Seattle -80. And they will still cover.

Seattle 96

Green Bay 0

 

[CapnJB]

OK, I'm convinced. Rodgers and Green Bay should just sit with the crowd and watch Seattle go up and down the field unopposed. Most senseless game in NFL history, they should move the line to Seattle -80. And they will still cover.

Seattle 96

Green Bay 0

Are you having a tantrum? It sounds like you are having a tantrum.

 

[MarcO]

OK, I'm convinced. Rodgers and Green Bay should just sit with the crowd and watch Seattle go up and down the field unopposed. Most senseless game in NFL history, they should move the line to Seattle -80. And they will still cover.

Seattle 96

Green Bay 0

Ridiculous, even the Seahawks can't shut out the Pack