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NFC Championship GB@Seattle (1 Viewer)

Cobb's the best receiver on the team, but not sure he's worth the money if you have Nelson and Adams. Sure it would be great to have them all, but that's a lot of money to one position. Rodgers makes any receiver better, you can have average receivers who look markedly above average with Rodgers. I would let Cobb go, but GB knows what they are doing and will make the right decision in the end.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Packers have allowed the most scrambling yards and the most scrambling TDs this year.

Thankfully Russell Wilson doesn't scramble. :mellow:
If only they had a top linebacker who could keep QB's contained :oldunsure:

 
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Sabertooth said:
I have a pretty good feeling about this game. I love that the Packers have come out a lot more physical this season than years past. Since they beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl they almost leaned a little too much towards being a finesse team. Not this year though. Much tougher mentality.
Then how do you explain their mediocrity on the road?

Don't get me wrong, I like the Packers as a team, but even if Rodgers was 100%, I don't think they'd win this game, and with him not close to 100%, I think they will get pummeled.
As far as best defensive players in this game, while Clay is in the discussion, & everyone is praising Kam C....Bobby Wagner & Earl Thomas are outstanding & they are the difference makers on the Seattle defense. For Seattle, you're making a serious mistake if you under estimate Julius Peppers in this game. You're about to find out just how good he is, even at 34. While the Packers don't have the "Legion of Boom" their DB's, as a group, are second to none & the Seattle WR's scare nobody. Hell even the Bears DB's are laughing at Seattle's WR's.

The biggest key for the Packers is keeping Rodgers healthy for 4 quarters or more if it goes to OT.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]This game is going to be a war...an instant classic. Make no mistake, Whoever wins this game will have earned it, I promise you. This game IS the Super Bowl & everyone knows it.[/SIZE]

 
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MaxThreshold said:
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ImTheScientist said:
Wingnut said:
ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks lead the league in explosive plays on offense this year.
And Green Bay was a CLOSE 2nd.Seattle had more big running plays, Green Bay had more big passing plays.

PUSH.http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-big-play-statistics/2014/
How is it a push when the hawks lead the league in explosive plays?
Reread my post, junior.Hawks had a *few* more big plays. Its not like they ran away from the league in the category. The majority of Seattle's big plays came from Lynch. Green Bays came from the passing game, which has more weapons. D Adams has turned it on lately, which gives Green Bay 3 viable WRs that can do damage.

PUSH.
I think he means hawks lead the league in explosive diarrhea of the mouth plays.
They're a clear cut #1 in that category.NO PUSH.
Hard to take a stat like this seriously when it helped them forge their way to a league-average offense, league-average scoring, and nearly-league-worst passing game.

It's a cute stat, but mostly means that the Seahawks were the leaders in meaningless first downs the offense was ultimately unable to do anything with. :shrug:

If you have the choice, you'd much rather be second (or thirtieth) in that stat, together with elite totals in yards and especially scoring. GB was a much more efficient offense, and all this silly "explosive play" stat details is how often they turned a broken play into a decent gain, along with how rarely they turned a designed play into anything big. :shrug:

 
Hard to take a stat like this seriously when it helped them forge their way to a league-average offense, league-average scoring, and nearly-league-worst passing game.

It's a cute stat, but mostly means that the Seahawks were the leaders in meaningless first downs the offense was ultimately unable to do anything with. :shrug:

If you have the choice, you'd much rather be second (or thirtieth) in that stat, together with elite totals in yards and especially scoring. GB was a much more efficient offense, and all this silly "explosive play" stat details is how often they turned a broken play into a decent gain, along with how rarely they turned a designed play into anything big. :shrug:
I know advanced stats probably aren't your thing, but the Seahawks are a good offense. #1 in rush DVOA, #10 in pass DVOA, #5 overall offensive DVOA. They are very efficient with the ball, and a good offensive team. It'll probably be hard to take these seriously too, since they don't back up your assumptions, but here you go.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

edit: including the playoffs, Seahawks are #4 on offense and #1 on defense. Keep in mind these are efficiency ratings, so if you just look at total points and passing yards, they'll probably blow your mind. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2015/week-19-dvoa-ratings

 
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Hard to take a stat like this seriously when it helped them forge their way to a league-average offense, league-average scoring, and nearly-league-worst passing game.
They were top 10 in total offense, ahead of the Patriots, and only 10 yards per game behind the Packers. They were top 10 in scoring which probably would have been higher had their defense not been #1 in points allowed (lots of victory formation). And when you're number one in rushing (by 400 yards), total passing yards aren't that important (Seattle was 6th in yards per attempt, so when they do pass, it's efficient).

It's Green Bay's defense that looks a bit more 'league average'.

 
Hard to take a stat like this seriously when it helped them forge their way to a league-average offense, league-average scoring, and nearly-league-worst passing game.

It's a cute stat, but mostly means that the Seahawks were the leaders in meaningless first downs the offense was ultimately unable to do anything with. :shrug:

If you have the choice, you'd much rather be second (or thirtieth) in that stat, together with elite totals in yards and especially scoring. GB was a much more efficient offense, and all this silly "explosive play" stat details is how often they turned a broken play into a decent gain, along with how rarely they turned a designed play into anything big. :shrug:
I know advanced stats probably aren't your thing, but the Seahawks are a good offense. #1 in rush DVOA, #10 in pass DVOA, #5 overall offensive DVOA. They are very efficient with the ball, and a good offensive team. It'll probably be hard to take these seriously too, since they don't back up your assumptions, but here you go.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Well DVOA is only part of the story but I 100% stock in what football outsiders does and while its not the end all it does give you a very good idea what the team is doing in that area.

I really like Wilson personally but can't wait for Lynch to be gone so the Seahawks open up the offense a little more for him to see what he really can do.

By the way GB beat:

#2 Running DVOA on the Road - Miami

#3 Running / #4 Passing / #4 Overall DVOA at Home - Dallas

#4 Running DVOA at Home and on the Road - Minnesota

#5 Passing / #6 Overall DVOA at Home - Atlanta

GB is #1 Overall (#2 Passing / #6 Rushing)

Seattle beat:

Week 1 - Packers (#2 Passing / #6 Rushing) - as most know by now completely different team after September

Week 3 - Denver (#3 Passing / #7 Rushing)

Biggest story of this game is that GB's running game is 100x better than the first 5-6 weeks of the season. I personally think Lacy is more important than Rodgers in this game to produce. Now Rodgers needs to be on the field still but Lacy is a huge piece to the game tomorrow.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Packers have allowed the most scrambling yards and the most scrambling TDs this year.

Thankfully Russell Wilson doesn't scramble. :mellow:
If only they had a top linebacker who could keep QB's contained :oldunsure:
TDorBust just had an aneurysm.
They don't I even said they struggle to keep QBs contained but with Clay moving inside it has helped as he was a big offender in losing containment. My point previously to your "stat" about the Packers being the worst against scrambling QBs was that they actually didn't allow the most yards or TDs to QBs this year on the ground. The 2014-15 Packers are not the same as the last decade that would get absolutely torched by running QBs.

I am fine with calling out certain weaknesses about the Packers but this one is very overblown at this point. Not to say Wilson couldn't go off for 100+ yards and 2 TDs on the ground but that has more to do about Wilson and less about the Packers.

 
Packer fans are still feeling the sting of the Hail Mary. Not sure they will ever let that go. Hence

the constant crying.
Yeah...so hurt by it that only one Packer fan has

brought it up in here.

A regular season game almost 3 years ago

really gets to us. :lmao:
The fact that you responded says a lot. ?Time to let it go man.

Edit: Care to look one post above this? ?

 
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We have had recent success, unlike others.....No need to dwell on things that happened 10+ years ago.....unless you are a niners fan, then you tell people to kiss rings from the 90s.

 
I keep hearing the packers are a different team..... You all realize the Hawks are as well?

I was listening to nfl network yesterday, and the consensus was both teams are improved from week 1, the hawks are just more improved. :shrug:

 
25.5 hours to kickoff.

I'll cut to the chase

Mason Crosby with a 55yd FG with the wind as time expires vaulting the Packers to their 6th Super Bowl appearance!

Green Bay 23 Seattle 20

It's going to be a great game no matter which team wins

 
I keep hearing the packers are a different team..... You all realize the Hawks are as well?

I was listening to nfl network yesterday, and the consensus was both teams are improved from week 1, the hawks are just more improved. :shrug:
Thats fine all that matters is who wins anyways, your the last person in the world that would be realistic about the Seahawks.

I guess the bigger question for you is:

Week1 - Did you think the Seahawks were bad? I mean in order to improve they must have been pretty bad as the Packers were horrible the first 3 weeks of the season. People thought the Packers weren't even going to be .500 and the world was crashing down on them.

So question how bad did you think the Seahawks were?

 
I will be rooting for the Packers to win harder than I've ever rooted for them to win in the past. The reason has nothing to do with the opponent. The reason for me is that if the Packers lose, it will most likely be the last Packers game I get to watch with my mom. She's got stage 4 lung cancer and she's starting to head downhill. Prognosis was 6-12 months back in August when we got it. I'd love to be able to watch another Packers Super Bowl victory with her. So I'm really hoping for 2 more games instead of one. I'm hoping they can win them both and go out (at least for her) on top. She's the reason I am a Packer backer living in Michigan.

 
Best of luck to you & your mom sir. That's rough.

Eff cancer

Give her a big green & gold kiss from all the Packer fans on the planet

 
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I will be rooting for the Packers to win harder than I've ever rooted for them to win in the past. The reason has nothing to do with the opponent. The reason for me is that if the Packers lose, it will most likely be the last Packers game I get to watch with my mom. She's got stage 4 lung cancer and she's starting to head downhill. Prognosis was 6-12 months back in August when we got it. I'd love to be able to watch another Packers Super Bowl victory with her. So I'm really hoping for 2 more games instead of one. I'm hoping they can win them both and go out (at least for her) on top. She's the reason I am a Packer backer living in Michigan.
That sucks man. My reasons are 1) I'd love to see Rodgers get another ring, the guy is just awesome fun to watch. 2) my hatred of a division rival that has a better ran organization and has pretty much owned my team the past few years. Am I bitter and jealous? Damn right I am.Also, the lack of class a couple of players have shown during their run (as well as a few fans here) have fueled the fire for me and has made me really want to see them fall flat on their faces.

Just being honest here. Yes, I'm a hater. And yes, I wish my team would go about things like Seattle has. As much as I hate them, they have earned the right to be where they are.

 
Just glad were not playing at Arrowhead the loudest outdoor stadium in the NFL
When were you not playing at arrowhead?
Every fan who doesn't have any good retort always needs to fall back on "You aren't the loudest stadium!", "You pump in noise!", "You stole your slogan!", etc. It's so damn pathetic...
Sort of, yeah, but on the flip side, who cares about being the loudest? Loudest doesn't mean best, even in the context of being loud to make noise to make it difficult for road teams. There are good fans and bad fans everywhere. I just think arguments over who has the best fans are kinda silly, but that's me.

 
Just glad were not playing at Arrowhead the loudest outdoor stadium in the NFL
When were you not playing at arrowhead?
Every fan who doesn't have any good retort always needs to fall back on "You aren't the loudest stadium!", "You pump in noise!", "You stole your slogan!", etc. It's so damn pathetic...
Sort of, yeah, but on the flip side, who cares about being the loudest? Loudest doesn't mean best, even in the context of being loud to make noise to make it difficult for road teams. There are good fans and bad fans everywhere. I just think arguments over who has the best fans are kinda silly, but that's me.
Agreed, it certainly doesn't make you a better fan and I don't think there has ever been any claim as such. We make noise up here because we feel it has a material effect on the outcome of the game and that's part of our home field advantage. I'm merely mentioning that trying to bring down another fan or team in this manner is just weird, yet Seattle fans have heard it all season long. And honestly I shouldn't say anything about it because for the folks I know actually crack up at this; it isn't grating like these people think as much as just shows your ignorance about teams outside of your own. (I debated even writing that last part because I don't want people to stop, but the folks that say this stuff wouldn't stop anyway so I'm in the clear.)

 

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