NFFC VS: WCOFF or ONLINE HighSTAKES (1 Viewer)

[Fighting Noles]

Looking to play in one for the first time. Debating the "event" ones (NFFC Vs: WCOFF) with a co-manager or something like Fantasy Jungle online which seems to have a "fairer" format but not the "excitement" of an in person draft. Anybody with experience in these feel free to weigh in with your thoughts - both good and bad.... Thanks in advance.

 

[SDJohnny]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...ghlite=%2BWCOFF

this has discussed quite a bit, a lot of good info if you seach WCOFF

 

[Captain Hook]

Having played in both events since their inception, I can give you an unqualified endorsement of each of them. I also strongly prefer the live draft atmosphere of both of them versus online contests (and as far as I know none of the online contests have the potential payout that the Championship events do).

Both events have live drafts in multiple locations:

WCOFF = Las Vegas, Atlantic City and Orlando on Saturday of Opening Week of the season

NFFC = Las Vegas, Chicago, New York City and Tampa on Saturday before the first week

WCOFF = 12 team random draw leagues; payouts to 1st, 2nd and 3rd in each league with all league champions and some percentage of LCG losers advancing to Championship bracket and shot at $300,000

NFFC = 14 team leagues with KDS (submitting draft preference for spots) and this year using 3RR (reversal of draft order starting with the third rouind)

Both events also have auction, draftmaster and high stakes events in their schedules and lower entry satellite leagues conducted online.

I really enjoy meeting new competitors at the events each year as well as catching up with other FF players who have been doing them for years. Makes for a great weekend. There will be quite a few FBG regulars (even some staffers) in Las Vegas for WCOFF, so be sure to seek us out if that is where you decide to compete.

 

[Jason Wood]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

 

[Team Legacy]

I've played every season in WCOFF and since Season 2 in NFFC. The thrill of winning the big prize is what its all about.

 

[Penguin]

WOW, that signature may be a violation of the TOS

 

[Captain Hook]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

You will have to amplify that Jason. Let's say that the total WCOFF entry costs $2000 (that is slightly higher to cover some extra expenses). Winning your 12 team league nets you $7,000. I am willing to bet 7-2 that I can win my league (only 1-5 in the main event but much better in the auction events to date).The league payouts are what entrants should look at as their "bet". You make good money if you win the league; clear more than your expenses if you finish second; and get part of your entry fee back if you finish third.If you win your league or get to your LCG and have a high enough score then you get a ticket on the playoff merry-go-round for the big brass ring [$200,000 in previous years now $300,000 for this season]. The people who have done that to date are no better FF players than you or several here - but they made the bet and took home a payday that pays for their entries for the rest of their FF careers.

 

[Penguin]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

You will have to amplify that Jason. Let's say that the total WCOFF entry costs $2000 (that is slightly higher to cover some extra expenses). Winning your 12 team league nets you $7,000. I am willing to bet 7-2 that I can win my league (only 1-5 in the main event but much better in the auction events to date).The league payouts are what entrants should look at as their "bet". You make good money if you win the league; clear more than your expenses if you finish second; and get part of your entry fee back if you finish third.If you win your league or get to your LCG and have a high enough score then you get a ticket on the playoff merry-go-round for the big brass ring [$200,000 in previous years now $300,000 for this season]. The people who have done that to date are no better FF players than you or several here - but they made the bet and took home a payday that pays for their entries for the rest of their FF careers.

Captain makes a good point, but I've found that the WCOFF Satellite's are a better value and easier to cash. $220 nets you $2000 v.s. around $2k to win $7k at the big dance. Yes, it's not the same atmosphere drafting online as it is in Las Vegas and you do not have the chance at the big prize (but that's a lottery atmosphere if you ask me) The other side of it is that with the Satellite(s) you do not have the additional expense of airfare, extra night(s) hotel stay. Bang per buck and ease of winning the 12 teamer has to go to the Satellite, but the Main Event wins out on total experience & ambiance

 

[Fighting Noles]

That's a good point & it would seem to me that the satellite would be good "experience" if you were trying the Main Event for the first time. Helps to see where guys are going & $220 isn't that much if you're shelling out $1800 for the other...

 

[Jason Wood]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

You will have to amplify that Jason. Let's say that the total WCOFF entry costs $2000 (that is slightly higher to cover some extra expenses). Winning your 12 team league nets you $7,000. I am willing to bet 7-2 that I can win my league (only 1-5 in the main event but much better in the auction events to date).The league payouts are what entrants should look at as their "bet". You make good money if you win the league; clear more than your expenses if you finish second; and get part of your entry fee back if you finish third.If you win your league or get to your LCG and have a high enough score then you get a ticket on the playoff merry-go-round for the big brass ring [$200,000 in previous years now $300,000 for this season]. The people who have done that to date are no better FF players than you or several here - but they made the bet and took home a payday that pays for their entries for the rest of their FF careers.

Hey Captain Hook, All due respect, you're expressing a common mathematical fallacy that's found in nearly all forms of gambling. You FEEL as though you have an edge over your competition and, thus, your odds are better than the 7-2 you see as the entry fee. The thing is, everyone in your league feels the same way. The reality is that you're each going into this with an EV of (% chance of winning)/(7/2 perceived payout). My issue is with total payout.When I put $500 into my local league, as all my buddies do, I know that save for the $80 it costs for MFL, we are paying back 100% of kitty. Realizing that there are costs to set up an event like WCOFF or NFFC, it's reasonable for the house to take a vig, but I have a problem with the size of the vig.Collectively, the entrants are giving up a big % of their pay-in, and that doesn't sit well with me. I realize, for some, the ego stroke of winning a "high stakes" league and/or the experience/excuse of going away to Vegas are worth the fee, but I'd just as soon go to Vegas with my buddies and pay into a high stakes league where our payout is close to 100%.That's just me.

 

[Family Matters]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

You will have to amplify that Jason. Let's say that the total WCOFF entry costs $2000 (that is slightly higher to cover some extra expenses). Winning your 12 team league nets you $7,000. I am willing to bet 7-2 that I can win my league (only 1-5 in the main event but much better in the auction events to date).The league payouts are what entrants should look at as their "bet". You make good money if you win the league; clear more than your expenses if you finish second; and get part of your entry fee back if you finish third.If you win your league or get to your LCG and have a high enough score then you get a ticket on the playoff merry-go-round for the big brass ring [$200,000 in previous years now $300,000 for this season]. The people who have done that to date are no better FF players than you or several here - but they made the bet and took home a payday that pays for their entries for the rest of their FF careers.

Hey Captain Hook, All due respect, you're expressing a common mathematical fallacy that's found in nearly all forms of gambling. You FEEL as though you have an edge over your competition and, thus, your odds are better than the 7-2 you see as the entry fee. The thing is, everyone in your league feels the same way. The reality is that you're each going into this with an EV of (% chance of winning)/(7/2 perceived payout). My issue is with total payout.When I put $500 into my local league, as all my buddies do, I know that save for the $80 it costs for MFL, we are paying back 100% of kitty. Realizing that there are costs to set up an event like WCOFF or NFFC, it's reasonable for the house to take a vig, but I have a problem with the size of the vig.Collectively, the entrants are giving up a big % of their pay-in, and that doesn't sit well with me. I realize, for some, the ego stroke of winning a "high stakes" league and/or the experience/excuse of going away to Vegas are worth the fee, but I'd just as soon go to Vegas with my buddies and pay into a high stakes league where our payout is close to 100%.That's just me.

What's the % they keep? What should they be keeping in order to run a muti million dollar business? I have no problrm with them making a profit and it as they making a huge liability to make the tournament happen. So many things could go wrong over the course of the season that could cost them everything.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

Jason,The vig example doesn't work in a multi-player contest.A vig is given on a straight bet - usually 10% - and you either win or you don't.In these larger contests, you have a shot at winning >100% of your initial contest entry just for winning your 12-14 team league, and then you can move on to possibly win a second prize, possibly even the Grand Prize.Some larger contests give out 90% of their entry fees, but they are conducted online so fewer expenses are incurred. Others that give out in the 70-85% range hold a live event and an afterparty to enhance the experience, so you do get something for your participation even if you don't win a thing.I personally enjoy going to these venues when I can.Back to the original "vig" statement - nearly 10,000 people (maybe they broke that barrier this year, IDK - I think it was 8,000 last year) play in the World Series of Poker. The WSOP has a "rake" or "vig" of about 10%, yet they still play - knowing that it'll be difficult to even break even (I think that's about 10% of the players get to the $). Again, it is about the chance to use their ability and skill to win a major contest.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Where are these "high stakes" online leagues?

 

[_4_]

I am amazed that people are willing to give up the vigs they do...I can't think of any other gambling situation where the house keeps such a big piece of the pie. The new owners of the WCOFF are promising a higher payout, but I'm not clear as to whether it's going to close the gap enough not to remain exorbitant.

You will have to amplify that Jason. Let's say that the total WCOFF entry costs $2000 (that is slightly higher to cover some extra expenses). Winning your 12 team league nets you $7,000. I am willing to bet 7-2 that I can win my league (only 1-5 in the main event but much better in the auction events to date).The league payouts are what entrants should look at as their "bet". You make good money if you win the league; clear more than your expenses if you finish second; and get part of your entry fee back if you finish third.

If you win your league or get to your LCG and have a high enough score then you get a ticket on the playoff merry-go-round for the big brass ring [$200,000 in previous years now $300,000 for this season]. The people who have done that to date are no better FF players than you or several here - but they made the bet and took home a payday that pays for their entries for the rest of their FF careers.

Captain makes a good point, but I've found that the WCOFF Satellite's are a better value and easier to cash. $220 nets you $2000 v.s. around $2k to win $7k at the big dance. Yes, it's not the same atmosphere drafting online as it is in Las Vegas and you do not have the chance at the big prize (but that's a lottery atmosphere if you ask me) The other side of it is that with the Satellite(s) you do not have the additional expense of airfare, extra night(s) hotel stay. Bang per buck and ease of winning the 12 teamer has to go to the Satellite, but the Main Event wins out on total experience & ambiance

You don't know that word.

 

[Captain Hook]

Where are these "high stakes" online leagues?

Both WCOFF and NFFC have "satellite" leagues with varying entry amounts that draft online (RTFantasy Sports for WCOFF and Mock Draft Central for NFFC)Look at:www.wcoff.comand www.fantasyfootballchampionship.com

 

[Penguin]

You don't know that word.

LOL

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Where are these "high stakes" online leagues?

Both WCOFF and NFFC have "satellite" leagues with varying entry amounts that draft online (RTFantasy Sports for WCOFF and Mock Draft Central for NFFC)Look at:www.wcoff.comand www.fantasyfootballchampionship.com

Google high stakes fantasy football and you'll find several others.AFFL is one of the bigger online leagues. PayDay is getting big as well, and Rotobowl also has an online component this year. Both of PayDay and Rotobowl have live events in September.There are a few others, but that's what comes to mind right now.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I've played in the wcoff since it started. The wcoff satellite leagues are the worst deal of them all. You don;t get the experience of the live draft and they take a cut. Your better off getting in a league with 12 people for $200 and then giving the winner the money to buy in to the wcoff.