NFL at the Pasadena Rose Bowl voted down again (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

As a resident of Pasadena CA I got to vote yesterday on whether the Pasadena Rose Bowl would be allowed to enter negotiations with the NFL for it to be used to host a franchise (with a subsequent renovation, etc.) in Measure A.

As of right now it's reported that Measure A has gone down to defeat with 72% voting against it.

Another blow against pro ball in Los Angeles.

I know it's not earthshattering news, but I thought some people might be interested.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Good news hopefully with an NFL game in Toronto next year (cross fingers) - we can prove we are more worthy of a franchise than LA

 

[simsarge]

Hasn't there been like half a dozen teams leave the LA area?

 

[dgreen]

I know it will never happen, but I think they should play the SB in Pasadena every year. Having the SB in some of these 70,000-seat stadiums is kind of weak.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Pasedena should just be forgotten. I can never understand the love for havign a pro team there. Rose Bowl parking and streets in the area are a nightmare and not remotely built to handle UCLA games - much less Pro games.

Colesium or somewhere towards Anaheim.

Although as I have said before - I like my variety of solid games without a team here. I'd watch and support a local team -- but tickets would likely be out of my price range anyway.

 

[Sopranos]

If you build it they will come

 

[whhwalker]

I know it will never happen, but I think they should play the SB in Pasadena every year. Having the SB in some of these 70,000-seat stadiums is kind of weak.

 

[Gr00vus]

I know it will never happen, but I think they should play the SB in Pasadena every year. Having the SB in some of these 70,000-seat stadiums is kind of weak.

I think it should be in either San Diego or Hawaii every year, of course the time change for Hawaii could be a bit much.L.A. would be good for a super bowl too but there just isn't a stadium that could handle it here right now.

 

[John Mamula]

As a resident of Pasadena CA I got to vote yesterday on whether the Pasadena Rose Bowl would be allowed to enter negotiations with the NFL for it to be used to host a franchise (with a subsequent renovation, etc.) in Measure A.As of right now it's reported that Measure A has gone down to defeat with 72% voting against it.Another blow against pro ball in Los Angeles.I know it's not earthshattering news, but I thought some people might be interested.

the rose bowl is not a nfl caliber stadium, and the owners like to use LA as leverage to stick it to the fans of their own city using it as a bargaining chip that they can move at any time.gdb that dump.

 

[John Mamula]

Pasedena should just be forgotten. I can never understand the love for havign a pro team there. Rose Bowl parking and streets in the area are a nightmare and not remotely built to handle UCLA games - much less Pro games.Colesium or somewhere towards Anaheim.Although as I have said before - I like my variety of solid games without a team here. I'd watch and support a local team -- but tickets would likely be out of my price range anyway.

i'd love to go to an nfl game every week and park on the 17th fairway and then wait an hour to get out of the parking lot let alone getting home.

 

[Gr00vus]

All discussions about the Rose Bowl assume a major rennovation, a massive new parking structure (usually proposed to be underground) and usually a complete gentrification of the surrounding area (meaning the replacement of the soccer fields, open areas, etc. with an outdoor mall/shopping area). None of the plans ever involve simply plopping a team down at the Rose Bowl as is. Similarly with the Colisseum in L.A.

Regardless of all that traffic to and from the Rose Bowl would be awful - there's no fixing the access issue - and that is usually THE major reason these efforts are voted down by the citizens here.

 

[gump]

I know it will never happen, but I think they should play the SB in Pasadena every year. Having the SB in some of these 70,000-seat stadiums is kind of weak.

The game is last on the list for the NFL. It's all about the events, hotels, restaurants, golf courses, weather, transportation, and which owner they owe a favor to.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

still very worried that the chargers move north. national city or chula vista I can handle, not teh OC, or anahiem

 

[NoFBinLA]

All discussions about the Rose Bowl assume a major rennovation, a massive new parking structure (usually proposed to be underground) and usually a complete gentrification of the surrounding area (meaning the replacement of the soccer fields, open areas, etc. with an outdoor mall/shopping area). None of the plans ever involve simply plopping a team down at the Rose Bowl as is. Similarly with the Colisseum in L.A.Regardless of all that traffic to and from the Rose Bowl would be awful - there's no fixing the access issue - and that is usually THE major reason these efforts are voted down by the citizens here.

Of course they were talking remodel. But the parking structure, the rest of the redevelopement -- who the heck ever thinks Pasdedena will ever vote that in? It's a nice area -- what the hell do they even need the team there for? They don't - and the public has, once again, let the idiots who keep painting pie in the sky pictures know what they feel.If this effort dies, and LA remains teamless, the same friggin dance will play out again next go-around because those in charge don't get it. Pasadena doesn't want a team. They don't want their town thrown into upheavel. And they have the politcal clout and money to stop it every time.

 

[ren hoek]

screw LA. how many opportunities have they pissed away to support an NFL franchise?

i'd personally like to see another small town like Green Bay get a pro football team. Anchorage has always been my favorite idea for a new NFL franchise.

 

[NoFBinLA]

screw LA. how many opportunities have they pissed away to support an NFL franchise?

i'd personally like to see another small town like Green Bay get a pro football team. Anchorage has always been my favorite idea for a new NFL franchise.

That's funny....

Wait, were you serious?

 

[ren hoek]

screw LA. how many opportunities have they pissed away to support an NFL franchise?

i'd personally like to see another small town like Green Bay get a pro football team. Anchorage has always been my favorite idea for a new NFL franchise.

That's funny....

Wait, were you serious?

Why wouldn't I have been? There are quite a few snags but it'd still be feasible.

 

[Gr00vus]

Of course they were talking remodel. But the parking structure, the rest of the redevelopement -- who the heck ever thinks Pasdedena will ever vote that in? It's a nice area -- what the hell do they even need the team there for? They don't - and the public has, once again, let the idiots who keep painting pie in the sky pictures know what they feel.If this effort dies, and LA remains teamless, the same friggin dance will play out again next go-around because those in charge don't get it. Pasadena doesn't want a team. They don't want their town thrown into upheavel. And they have the politcal clout and money to stop it every time.

You are 100% correct, most of us here don't want any of that, although if it really came to pass that the Rose Bowl itself might be shut down completely I think it would be a much closer issue. I just wanted to clear up the seeming implication that the idea was to put a team into the Rose Bowl as is, which is incorrect and could have confused others not as familiar with the situation.

 

[Gr00vus]

screw LA. how many opportunities have they pissed away to support an NFL franchise?

You don't get it. People in L.A. don't care if we have a team or not - in fact many of us DON'T want one. It's always people outside the area and maybe a couple of local business/political types with an agenda who try to shove this stuff down our throats. We're not pissing anything way, the NFL is desparately trying to get back into the 2nd biggest U.S. market and failing miserably. I for one refuse to pony up my tax money to provide a cushy place for some lousy owner to get fat and CHARGE ME MONEY to attend some expansion team's game, deal with the traffic, etc. into the bargain. Forget it.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Hasn't there been like half a dozen teams leave the LA area?

Oh, dunno. Is 2 like half a dozen?

 

[NoFBinLA]

Of course they were talking remodel. But the parking structure, the rest of the redevelopement -- who the heck ever thinks Pasdedena will ever vote that in? It's a nice area -- what the hell do they even need the team there for? They don't - and the public has, once again, let the idiots who keep painting pie in the sky pictures know what they feel.If this effort dies, and LA remains teamless, the same friggin dance will play out again next go-around because those in charge don't get it. Pasadena doesn't want a team. They don't want their town thrown into upheavel. And they have the politcal clout and money to stop it every time.

You are 100% correct, most of us here don't want any of that, although if it really came to pass that the Rose Bowl itself might be shut down completely I think it would be a much closer issue. I just wanted to clear up the seeming implication that the idea was to put a team into the Rose Bowl as is, which is incorrect and could have confused others not as familiar with the situation.

Absolutely understandable. Gotcha.

Why wouldn't I have been? There are quite a few snags but it'd still be feasible.

You have been to Anchorage, right? I keed, I keed. Kinda.Regardless, I doubt you'll see another team move into a small market town again for a loooooong time -- and Anchorage is pretty darn small time. Although I do have to say, I enjoy visiting it, even if it is dark alot in winter, colder than a witches teat and populated by killer moose.

 

[This_Guy]

screw LA. how many opportunities have they pissed away to support an NFL franchise?

You don't get it. People in L.A. don't care if we have a team or not - in fact many of us DON'T want one. It's always people outside the area and maybe a couple of local business/political types with an agenda who try to shove this stuff down our throats. We're not pissing anything way, the NFL is desparately trying to get back into the 2nd biggest U.S. market and failing miserably. I for one refuse to pony up my tax money to provide a cushy place for some lousy owner to get fat and CHARGE ME MONEY to attend some expansion team's game, deal with the traffic, etc. into the bargain. Forget it.

I think most people outside of LA don't get it (including the NFL). The NFL needs LA. LA doesn't need the NFL. Until the NFL starts negotiating from this point of view a deal wont get done.The one thing that is scary from Pasadena's and the Rose Bowl's point of view is "who is going to pay to keep the Rose Bowl a working facility?" Without a large influx of money from somewhere the stadium is going to become more and more outdated and less usable. The NFL was one of the only opportunities to get the money to pay for this. At some point (as Gr00vus said) Pasadena is going to be looking at an extinct stadium and the NFL wont be there to save them.The more I read the more I am convinced Anaheim will get the first team to the LA market. They are the only place that seems to actually wants the NFL, has a site, and has some political momentum. Under any scenario though it looks like it is going to be a while to we have football in LA.

 

[This_Guy]

Of course they were talking remodel. But the parking structure, the rest of the redevelopement -- who the heck ever thinks Pasdedena will ever vote that in? It's a nice area -- what the hell do they even need the team there for? They don't - and the public has, once again, let the idiots who keep painting pie in the sky pictures know what they feel.If this effort dies, and LA remains teamless, the same friggin dance will play out again next go-around because those in charge don't get it. Pasadena doesn't want a team. They don't want their town thrown into upheavel. And they have the politcal clout and money to stop it every time.

You are 100% correct, most of us here don't want any of that, although if it really came to pass that the Rose Bowl itself might be shut down completely I think it would be a much closer issue. I just wanted to clear up the seeming implication that the idea was to put a team into the Rose Bowl as is, which is incorrect and could have confused others not as familiar with the situation.

Absolutely understandable. Gotcha.

Why wouldn't I have been? There are quite a few snags but it'd still be feasible.

You have been to Anchorage, right? I keed, I keed. Kinda.Regardless, I doubt you'll see another team move into a small market town again for a loooooong time -- and Anchorage is pretty darn small time. Although I do have to say, I enjoy visiting it, even if it is dark alot in winter, colder than a witches teat and populated by killer moose.

There is almost no chance the NFL ends up in a small market. The money equation will never balance. If the NFL expands you are taking about a billion dollars to get a franchise. What business person is going to sink that kind of money into a less profitable market?

 

[NoFBinLA]

I think most people outside of LA don't get it (including the NFL). The NFL needs LA. LA doesn't need the NFL. Until the NFL starts negotiating from this point of view a deal wont get done.The one thing that is scary from Pasadena's and the Rose Bowl's point of view is "who is going to pay to keep the Rose Bowl a working facility?" Without a large influx of money from somewhere the stadium is going to become more and more outdated and less usable. The NFL was one of the only opportunities to get the money to pay for this. At some point (as Gr00vus said) Pasadena is going to be looking at an extinct stadium and the NFL wont be there to save them.The more I read the more I am convinced Anaheim will get the first team to the LA market. They are the only place that seems to actually wants the NFL, has a site, and has some political momentum. Under any scenario though it looks like it is going to be a while to we have football in LA.

Right on. I used to hate the idea of a team down in Anaheim until I realised how far I drove to see the Jets when I was living on Lawng Island. It'd be better with a decent train system - I dunno I haven't looked to see if you can get there via rail. But ultimately it really isn't that far.Anyway, yeah, alot of folks don't care - there is a ton of stuff to keep us occupied, Direct TV, college ball - we're not lacking for anythign to do. The NFL is lacking the #2 market though.But usually it's not just the NFL that seems a bit unrealistic in dealing with LA - the people in charge of these efforts here in LA usually seem pretty confused an clueless as well.

 

[This_Guy]

I agree 100% about Anaheim NoFBinLA. It wouldn't really matter much for me in terms of a drive, but I think it would be much better to have it further north.

I also agree about politicians in LA being confused. They all have too much of a vested interest in the Coliseum being the home of the NFL. I don't think the public wants it there and I think a team will not draw as well if they play there.

The AEG stadium proposal a few years ago was the best I've seen. Putting it right downtown would have been really perfect and a nice center piece to a lot of the other projects going in down there. A Chavez Ravine site would also work really well. The land is already there and mostly unused during the football season. The problem is the politicians shooting down these ideas before they have a chance to be considered.

I'd like to have a local team so I could check out some games each year but really it doesn't matter.

 

[Gr00vus]

I was downtown last night for the Lakers at Staples. I can't believe how much it's changed just since last June. Whole buildings have gone up in that span, seemingly all apartments/condos. They're also turning the parking lot north of Staples into some kind of outdoor mall area. I think they're eating up the available space that a staduim could occupy on the east side of the 110. Things go back to the Colosseum at this point if you want to be near down town, and that area could really use an upgrade. It's really not that distant from "downtown" either. I wish they could do something there like what was done with Staples, no tax payer money went into that one and it's been a huge success.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I agree 100% about Anaheim NoFBinLA. It wouldn't really matter much for me in terms of a drive, but I think it would be much better to have it further north.I also agree about politicians in LA being confused. They all have too much of a vested interest in the Coliseum being the home of the NFL. I don't think the public wants it there and I think a team will not draw as well if they play there.The AEG stadium proposal a few years ago was the best I've seen. Putting it right downtown would have been really perfect and a nice center piece to a lot of the other projects going in down there. A Chavez Ravine site would also work really well. The land is already there and mostly unused during the football season. The problem is the politicians shooting down these ideas before they have a chance to be considered.I'd like to have a local team so I could check out some games each year but really it doesn't matter.

AEG was the best idea -- politcal crap blew it up IIRC.And yeah, I'd always prefer to have a team nearby (I don't mind the drive to SD, but I can't do that very often) but I don't want to get hosed to bring one here.And I'd rather not steal another city's team, as long as we're talking about it....

 

[cstu]

All discussions about the Rose Bowl assume a major rennovation, a massive new parking structure (usually proposed to be underground) and usually a complete gentrification of the surrounding area (meaning the replacement of the soccer fields, open areas, etc. with an outdoor mall/shopping area). None of the plans ever involve simply plopping a team down at the Rose Bowl as is. Similarly with the Colisseum in L.A.Regardless of all that traffic to and from the Rose Bowl would be awful - there's no fixing the access issue - and that is usually THE major reason these efforts are voted down by the citizens here.

Of course they were talking remodel. But the parking structure, the rest of the redevelopement -- who the heck ever thinks Pasdedena will ever vote that in? It's a nice area -- what the hell do they even need the team there for? They don't - and the public has, once again, let the idiots who keep painting pie in the sky pictures know what they feel.If this effort dies, and LA remains teamless, the same friggin dance will play out again next go-around because those in charge don't get it. Pasadena doesn't want a team. They don't want their town thrown into upheavel. And they have the politcal clout and money to stop it every time.

The mayor said a few months ago that the Coliseum is the only location for a new team. Pasadena is not and has not been a serious consideration for a long time now - and for good reason. I don't see how this vote changes anything for bringing a team to LA.

 

[NoFBinLA]

All discussions about the Rose Bowl assume a major rennovation, a massive new parking structure (usually proposed to be underground) and usually a complete gentrification of the surrounding area (meaning the replacement of the soccer fields, open areas, etc. with an outdoor mall/shopping area). None of the plans ever involve simply plopping a team down at the Rose Bowl as is. Similarly with the Colisseum in L.A.

Regardless of all that traffic to and from the Rose Bowl would be awful - there's no fixing the access issue - and that is usually THE major reason these efforts are voted down by the citizens here.

Of course they were talking remodel. But the parking structure, the rest of the redevelopement -- who the heck ever thinks Pasdedena will ever vote that in? It's a nice area -- what the hell do they even need the team there for? They don't - and the public has, once again, let the idiots who keep painting pie in the sky pictures know what they feel.If this effort dies, and LA remains teamless, the same friggin dance will play out again next go-around because those in charge don't get it. Pasadena doesn't want a team. They don't want their town thrown into upheavel.

And they have the politcal clout and money to stop it every time.

The mayor said a few months ago that the Coliseum is the only location for a new team. Pasadena is not and has not been a serious consideration for a long time now - and for good reason. I don't see how this vote changes anything for bringing a team to LA.

Well by this effort I was more talking about the effort to bring a team to LA, not just to Pas. If LA doesn't get a team, the moment it comes up again, someone will bring Pas back up -- rather than just admit it ain't gonna happen.And the Mayor don't doesn't (grammer down) control Anaheim. I may think the Coliseum is the most likely, but it doesn't mean the NFL hasn't given Anaheim a serious gander - because they have.

Anything can happen or more likely nothing can happen.....

 

[Gr00vus]

The mayor said a few months ago that the Coliseum is the only location for a new team. Pasadena is not and has not been a serious consideration for a long time now - and for good reason. I don't see how this vote changes anything for bringing a team to LA.

Of course the mayor of Los Angeles is going to say that. I don't care if Mayor McCheese says otherwise, the Rose Bowl will always be a consideration as long as it's there and there's no team near Los Angeles, regardless of the fantasy land the L.A. mayor would like to live in. Heck there have been 5 super bowls thrown at the Rose Bowl since the last time they had one in the Colosseum. The vote is just another string in a series of messages to the powers that be that the people of L.A. and the surrounding areas aren't going to take the shaft just so the NFL and a couple of fat cats can tap into the market.

 

[This_Guy]

The Pasadena vote was also relevant because of recent developments with the Coliseum. The Coliseum commission basically said if the NFL doesn't act soon they will blow them off because they need to negotiate with USC. If they make a deal with USC without the NFL it will limit the ability to put an NFL team in the Coliseum. That opened another door for Pasadena to contend, if they wanted too. The vote was just another indication that they don't.

Gr00vus, do you live in Pasadena?

 

[Gr00vus]

Gr00vus, do you live in Pasadena?

 

[NoFBinLA]

Mayor McCheese

 

[redman]

As a resident of Pasadena CA I got to vote yesterday on whether the Pasadena Rose Bowl would be allowed to enter negotiations with the NFL for it to be used to host a franchise (with a subsequent renovation, etc.) in Measure A.As of right now it's reported that Measure A has gone down to defeat with 72% voting against it.Another blow against pro ball in Los Angeles.I know it's not earthshattering news, but I thought some people might be interested.

Howdy, neighbor, from up the hill in Altadena. You ever catch games at the Crown City Brewery? Attila the Hun has nothing on the Pasadena board that oversees redevelopment (necessary to make the NFL happen at the aging Rose Bowl). We're in a funny metropolitan area in that the NFL needs us more than we need the NFL.

 

[This_Guy]

Gr00vus, do you live in Pasadena?

Sorry I should have caught that in your initial post.What was the general feeling among the public in Pasadena about this? Do they generally have no interest in having an NFL team or are there other factors at work?

 

[cstu]

The mayor said a few months ago that the Coliseum is the only location for a new team. Pasadena is not and has not been a serious consideration for a long time now - and for good reason. I don't see how this vote changes anything for bringing a team to LA.

Of course the mayor of Los Angeles is going to say that. I don't care if Mayor McCheese says otherwise, the Rose Bowl will always be a consideration as long as it's there and there's no team near Los Angeles, regardless of the fantasy land the L.A. mayor would like to live in. Heck there have been 5 super bowls thrown at the Rose Bowl since the last time they had one in the Colosseum. The vote is just another string in a series of messages to the powers that be that the people of L.A. and the surrounding areas aren't going to take the shaft just so the NFL and a couple of fat cats can tap into the market.

Pasadena is mainly a consideration because of the Rose Bowl, but even then it's not the ideal layout for the NFL and people behind it don't want it changed for historical reasons. The other problem is that the people of Pasadena are worried about the changes to the city's culture that an NFL team will bring. The area around the Coliseum would greatly benefit from the development the NFL will require. A deal at the Coliseum should get done because it's in a good location and economically it makes sense for the area.

 

[redman]

The mayor said a few months ago that the Coliseum is the only location for a new team. Pasadena is not and has not been a serious consideration for a long time now - and for good reason. I don't see how this vote changes anything for bringing a team to LA.

Of course the mayor of Los Angeles is going to say that. I don't care if Mayor McCheese says otherwise, the Rose Bowl will always be a consideration as long as it's there and there's no team near Los Angeles, regardless of the fantasy land the L.A. mayor would like to live in. Heck there have been 5 super bowls thrown at the Rose Bowl since the last time they had one in the Colosseum. The vote is just another string in a series of messages to the powers that be that the people of L.A. and the surrounding areas aren't going to take the shaft just so the NFL and a couple of fat cats can tap into the market.

Pasadena is mainly a consideration because of the Rose Bowl, but even then it's not the ideal layout for the NFL and people behind it don't want it changed for historical reasons. The other problem is that the people of Pasadena are worried about the changes to the city's culture that an NFL team will bring. The area around the Coliseum would greatly benefit from the development the NFL will require. A deal at the Coliseum should get done because it's in a good location and economically it makes sense for the area.

The Rose Bowl's not a bad site for the NFL's purposes with some upgrades, but the effect upon the surrounding area is probably not so good. The Rose Bowl essentially sits in the middle of a large public park area which is in turn surrounded by low density residential housing. It's a pretty odd locale for a stadium by today's standards. Freeway access is only so-so. The concerns that the City of Pasadena has are certainly legitimate.

 

[cstu]

This is worse news for getting the NFL in LA:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl...eadlines-sports

Coliseum scales back on NFL

By Sam Farmer, Times Staff Writer

November 2, 2006

Even as it said it was not closing the door on the NFL, the Coliseum Commission took steps Wednesday to scale back the money spent in that pursuit.

In its regular monthly meeting, the commission dropped its contracts with outside legal counsel and $10,000-per-month lobbyist Richard Lichtenstein, who were retained for the last three years to pursue a potential NFL deal.

Yvonne B. Burke, commission president, was among the commissioners who emphasized they are not ready to give up on the possibility the stadium could be home to an NFL team, despite signs NFL interest has cooled.

"We should have every opportunity to talk about a wide range of options," she said. "We still hope that we can get an NFL team, and we hope that we can have this stadium ultimately become a state-of-the-art facility."

But there's little likelihood of the NFL taking significant action in L.A. anytime soon. Team owners made it clear last week they are focused on other priorities, chief among them digesting the new revenue-sharing plan and collective-bargaining agreement.

The commission is facing a dramatic rent increase by the state and USC's lease at the Coliseum expires after the 2007 football season. Burke and others on the nine-member commission said it's possible to proceed on lease talks with USC without foreclosing on the NFL option.

But County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who serves on the commission, said the group soon must choose whether to continue pursuing the NFL or take action on other options.

"I don't think we have leverage with the NFL," he said. "I think we're talking to ourselves."

At their fall meetings in New Orleans last week, NFL owners were told by league staff the cost of a Los Angeles-area stadium — one they would bankroll — could reach $1 billion. Several owners said they were not interested in paying that and L.A. was not a priority.

While agreeing the commission should not close the door on the NFL, David Israel, a state appointee to the commission, said, "There's precious little left to negotiate."

The future of the Sports Arena is also an important issue, said Bill Chadwick, a commission member who said the group should take proposals for other possible uses for that 11-acre site.

 

[nxmehta]

LA should just pass a damn law preventing the NFL from ever coming to our city. No one wants a team here. I'm fine with watching my Sunday Ticket to get the games I want. Pasadena will NEVER tolerate the NFL at the Rose Bowl- they are annoyed enough with an annual bowl game. Pasadena is full of very wealthy folks who don't want the additional traffic and hassle in their city. It's hard enough to go up and down the freaking 110 when there isn't a game in town. It's not gonna happen.

Seriously though, if the NFL wants in LA, where the hell are you going to put this team? Downtown is already stuffed with convention centers, the Staples Center, Disney Hall, the MOCA, etc. the list goes on. It's not going to get put in the Coliseum. You're going to have to build a stadium for this team- it's not going to be able to use an existing one. Where's it going to go? Santa Monica? Hollywood? The Valley? All these places are either filled to bursting or awful locations. And traffic is about as bad as it can get. Also, if a team does come here, who is going to be able to afford to watch them? You thought Lakers' tickets were expensive...

All in all this is a dumb idea. Arnold and the greedy mofos who are pushing for this should keep their mouths shut. Put the team in Anaheim instead.

 

[Red Apples]

LA should just pass a damn law preventing the NFL from ever coming to our city. No one wants a team here. I'm fine with watching my Sunday Ticket to get the games I want. Pasadena will NEVER tolerate the NFL at the Rose Bowl- they are annoyed enough with an annual bowl game. Pasadena is full of very wealthy folks who don't want the additional traffic and hassle in their city. It's hard enough to go up and down the freaking 110 when there isn't a game in town. It's not gonna happen.Seriously though, if the NFL wants in LA, where the hell are you going to put this team? Downtown is already stuffed with convention centers, the Staples Center, Disney Hall, the MOCA, etc. the list goes on. It's not going to get put in the Coliseum. You're going to have to build a stadium for this team- it's not going to be able to use an existing one. Where's it going to go? Santa Monica? Hollywood? The Valley? All these places are either filled to bursting or awful locations. And traffic is about as bad as it can get. Also, if a team does come here, who is going to be able to afford to watch them? You thought Lakers' tickets were expensive...All in all this is a dumb idea. Arnold and the greedy mofos who are pushing for this should keep their mouths shut. Put the team in Anaheim instead.

i want the nfl in LA.

 

[Oaktown]

Gr00vus, do you live in Pasadena?

Sorry I should have caught that in your initial post.What was the general feeling among the public in Pasadena about this? Do they generally have no interest in having an NFL team or are there other factors at work?

I live in Pasadena too and it was remarkable how against everyone was against it. I would love to have a team here in some ways for selfish reasons, but I can absolutely see all the arguments against it and the bill really seemed to give the NFL a lot of power over the stadium, and not just for games. I got stuff in the mail twice a day to vote no on Measure A and NEVER got one thing in favor of it. Im actually suprised it was only 72% no.

 

[gump]

LA should just pass a damn law preventing the NFL from ever coming to our city. No one wants a team here. I'm fine with watching my Sunday Ticket to get the games I want. Pasadena will NEVER tolerate the NFL at the Rose Bowl- they are annoyed enough with an annual bowl game. Pasadena is full of very wealthy folks who don't want the additional traffic and hassle in their city. It's hard enough to go up and down the freaking 110 when there isn't a game in town. It's not gonna happen.

This describes well why LA, while huge in population, is nowhere near the sports market of the comparably-sized NE cities like NY, Boston, and Philly. The passion for sports is simply not there to nearly the same degree.

 

[redman]

LA should just pass a damn law preventing the NFL from ever coming to our city. No one wants a team here. I'm fine with watching my Sunday Ticket to get the games I want. Pasadena will NEVER tolerate the NFL at the Rose Bowl- they are annoyed enough with an annual bowl game. Pasadena is full of very wealthy folks who don't want the additional traffic and hassle in their city. It's hard enough to go up and down the freaking 110 when there isn't a game in town. It's not gonna happen.

This describes well why LA, while huge in population, is nowhere near the sports market of the comparably-sized NE cities like NY, Boston, and Philly. The passion for sports is simply not there to nearly the same degree.

There's also not the tradition of a single team here. The Rams were the closest thing to that and they were in Anaheim for the last 20+ years of their existence in "Los Angeles". The Raiders always were carpet baggers. It's not like the Redskins being in Washington for 70 years, or the Giants or Eagles for even longer. The truth is that the NFL has really screwed up its relationship with LA, and that screw up has been going on for decades.

LA fans are fine otherwise. The Lakers and Dodgers continually are around their leagues' lead in attendance and revenue. We're even finding that the Clippers, too, have a growing fan base around here.

The best place to watch an NFL game remains in front of the TV. LA folks like me often root for other cities' teams anyway, so why would we want blackouts affecting us?

 

[gump]

LA should just pass a damn law preventing the NFL from ever coming to our city. No one wants a team here. I'm fine with watching my Sunday Ticket to get the games I want. Pasadena will NEVER tolerate the NFL at the Rose Bowl- they are annoyed enough with an annual bowl game. Pasadena is full of very wealthy folks who don't want the additional traffic and hassle in their city. It's hard enough to go up and down the freaking 110 when there isn't a game in town. It's not gonna happen.

This describes well why LA, while huge in population, is nowhere near the sports market of the comparably-sized NE cities like NY, Boston, and Philly. The passion for sports is simply not there to nearly the same degree.

There's also not the tradition of a single team here. The Rams were the closest thing to that and they were in Anaheim for the last 20+ years of their existence in "Los Angeles". The Raiders always were carpet baggers. It's not like the Redskins being in Washington for 70 years, or the Giants or Eagles for even longer. The truth is that the NFL has really screwed up its relationship with LA, and that screw up has been going on for decades.

LA fans are fine otherwise. The Lakers and Dodgers continually are around their leagues' lead in attendance and revenue. We're even finding that the Clippers, too, have a growing fan base around here.

The best place to watch an NFL game remains in front of the TV. LA folks like me often root for other cities' teams anyway, so why would we want blackouts affecting us?

The Bucs had only been in Tampa for 20 years when the stadium vote passed there.But good point about the past teams. And I didn't mean it as a rip at LA fans. Just that I don't think the market should be compared to the NY's and Boston's. Could you imagine what an area like that would do to get a franchise back in the premier sports league in the country if they somehow lost it?

 

[Doug B]

There's also not the tradition of a single team here. The Rams were the closest thing to that and they were in Anaheim for the last 20+ years of their existence in "Los Angeles".

I was going to bring up the Rams' history ... but as an outsider, I hadn't realized that their move to Anaheim might have felt like "leaving town" to Angeleno fans.Orange County, from the outside, still seems like an excellent market, with a ready and willing fan base. Is that more or less true?

 

[Gr00vus]

To answer a previous question, though I think it's become somewhat evident in this thread, the majority of the people of Pasadena are either apathetic or against having an NFL team located here. Definitely anyone living within a few miles of the Rose Bowl is dead set against it.

If your curious, I myself voted against it this time.

There are rabid sports fans in Los Angeles. They may arrive late and leave early (I'm not one such) but there are a ton of people that are very passionate about their sports teams. The Lakers are the darlings of the city, with the Dodgers somewhat behind (due to their lack of success in recent years). The Lakers are really a significant part of the "L.A. lifestyle" above and beyond just being a basketball fan. When the Raiders were here, well it was pretty crazy. So the fans aren't really the problem other than they've been jerked around once too many times by NFL teams to care about them.

In my opinon, if L.A. were to try for a team it should be located at a rebuilt Colosseum location, with an accompanying sprucing up of the surrounding neighborhood, without taxpayer money. That would be great for the city in many ways. Also it should be an expansion, not a relocation. Do you realize that none of the L.A. area teams are currently native to where they originated? It'd be nice to have one franchise like that. Of course I wouldn't argue if the Chargers wanted to move up here, but I think they really belong in San Diego.

However for myself, I like not having a team here.

@Redman: You know I've never gone to Crown City to watch games - is it a good place for that?

 

[redman]

@Redman: You know I've never gone to Crown City to watch games - is it a good place for that?

They have every game and it's easy viewing. Hundreds (literally) of beers on tap, and the food's decent for bar food. I haven't been there this year as - for some reason - my Redskins have been on network TV a lot out here, but that's where I go when I want to catch a game. Do I sense a *shudder* Pasadena cornhole?

 

[redman]

There's also not the tradition of a single team here. The Rams were the closest thing to that and they were in Anaheim for the last 20+ years of their existence in "Los Angeles".

I was going to bring up the Rams' history ... but as an outsider, I hadn't realized that their move to Anaheim might have felt like "leaving town" to Angeleno fans.Orange County, from the outside, still seems like an excellent market, with a ready and willing fan base. Is that more or less true?

Yes, Orange County is certainly capable of supporting a pro sports team - the Angels demonstrate that. However, with regards to football it wasn't just where the Rams moved, it was also the fact that Georgia Frontieri never really seemed to try to ingratiate her team with the L.A. area - remember that she's from St. Louis so the move back there didn't necessarily arise from a set of economic concerns. They were an Orange County team in many respects, and that's part of what Al Davis took advantage of when he moved the Raiders here in 1982. LA supported the Raiders but only 13 years later they took off again. It's certainly a very odd history for the #2 market in the U.S. You'd think teams would have sunk deep roots and stayed here.

 

[Gr00vus]

@Redman: You know I've never gone to Crown City to watch games - is it a good place for that?

They have every game and it's easy viewing. Hundreds (literally) of beers on tap, and the food's decent for bar food. I haven't been there this year as - for some reason - my Redskins have been on network TV a lot out here, but that's where I go when I want to catch a game. Do I sense a *shudder* Pasadena cornhole?

I've been there for other refreshment oriented situations, but for whatever reason I never thought to go there to watch football. Indeed I didn't even know they had any t.v's at the place. I've been in the same boat as you as the Chargers have been on "normal" t.v. every week so far. Hmmmmm......

 

[Gr00vus]

it was also the fact that Georgia Frontieri never really seemed to try to ingratiate her team with the L.A. area - remember that she's from St. Louis so the move back there didn't necessarily arise from a set of economic concerns. They were an Orange County team in many respects

A lot of the nonchalant/negative sentiment had to do with the move from L.A. to Anaheim in the first place, I know it alienated many people who were fans of the Los Angeles Rams. Pro football in L.A.has had a very checkered and distasteful history thus far - not the best way to cultivate good feelings.