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awesome that they had to cut the minority who likes smoking weed, but the drunken frat boy rapist is ok.
yahoo wouldn't let me put "rapist" in the comments.
I agee with DOHITS.If im the rams I dont want this distraction anywhere near my franchise, leonard little not withstanding.and I certainly wouldnt give up #1 overall for him. #33 maybe.
There was some rumor out there (probably unfounded) that said Steelers might offer Big Ben and their #1 for the Bradford rights.That's insane value for the Rams and if true they'd be fools to not take it.
Would not blame the Rams for passing on this if true. Not at all.
Either you're not very smart, or you're just trying to stir #### up.
I would understand if they passed on him (assuming the rumor I mentioned is the one offered). I simply think it would be a mistake. Fans get over things. Big Ben will likely never be a popular guy but this will die down a bit. Guys like Leonard Little and Jerramy Stevens are still in the league. Vick got a reprieve in the NFL.There is a risk he'll get into trouble again (which would be a suspension or possible eventual jail time) but there's a risk a draft pick will bust.
If St. Louis could land an elite qb who is locked up for 6 years at a relatively inexpensive price AND get a late first round pick, their team could very quickly go from a pushover to a group that could make a very strong push to win their division.If Big Ben stays out of trouble and performs well he would eventually be looked at as a guy who turned his life around. It's of course all a gamble but the entire draft itself is a gamble. At least with Ben you know you're getting a guy who is a very good qb.But again, I would totally understand if they declined this alleged deal. Imo it's a risk that is well worth rolling the dice.I would understand if they passed on him (assuming the rumor I mentioned is the one offered). I simply think it would be a mistake. Fans get over things. Big Ben will likely never be a popular guy but this will die down a bit. Guys like Leonard Little and Jerramy Stevens are still in the league. Vick got a reprieve in the NFL.There is a risk he'll get into trouble again (which would be a suspension or possible eventual jail time) but there's a risk a draft pick will bust.If St. Louis could land an elite qb who is locked up for 6 years at a relatively inexpensive price AND get a late first round pick, their team could very quickly go from a pushover to a group that could make a very strong push to win their division.If Big Ben stays out of trouble and performs well he would eventually be looked at as a guy who turned his life around. It's of course all a gamble but the entire draft itself is a gamble. At least with Ben you know you're getting a guy who is a very good qb.But again, I would totally understand if they declined this alleged deal. Imo it's a risk that is well worth rolling the dice.
How few remember now that Favre had a big drinking problem and drug problem. Balt fans and the league sure have forgotten Ray Lewis murder situation as well. Time passes and this will die down and the next thing the media will fixate on will come along. Ben needs to clean up his act and just bury himself in becoming the best qb for the Steelers that he can for this to happen as well.
For the same reason the Steelers want to get rid of him, he's got character issues. He's the face of the franchise and he obviously has little respect for women and their right to say no. If you owned a team, would you want that guy to be what you stand for? If you traded for him now, after knowing all this that's the rep you'd get.Personally, I think the Steelers would be best to stand behind this guy if he's willing to get some help. Help on making better decisions etc....I wouldn't just abandon him unless he was unwilling to make a change for himself.
How is a drinking/painkiller addiction remotely comparable to multiple rape allegations?
In terms of how as time passes history is reflected upon different.How is a drinking/painkiller addiction remotely comparable to multiple rape allegations?How few remember now that Favre had a big drinking problem and drug problem. Balt fans and the league sure have forgotten Ray Lewis murder situation as well. Time passes and this will die down and the next thing the media will fixate on will come along. Ben needs to clean up his act and just bury himself in becoming the best qb for the Steelers that he can for this to happen as well.
And some people say weed has no negative effects...
Favre's problem was a personal problem, not a public problem. If you want an analogy using a Packer try Mossy Cade, or more recently Mark Chmura. Chmura crapped the sheets awefully badly. His allegations involved a drunken minor insted of a drunken 20 year old. At the time the Packers distanced themselves from him quite rapidly. Now, a dozen years later, time healing wounds, they are getting ready to enshrine him in their HOF.As for a trade to the Rams the Rams have Football Operation concerns and business valuation concerns. Since the Club is for sale I believe analysis here should be on whether any offered trade would increase or decrease the value of the franchise. I don't have any expertise to opine on that, but I have to believe that is a major consideration during this draft.I would understand if they passed on him (assuming the rumor I mentioned is the one offered). I simply think it would be a mistake. Fans get over things. Big Ben will likely never be a popular guy but this will die down a bit. Guys like Leonard Little and Jerramy Stevens are still in the league. Vick got a reprieve in the NFL.There is a risk he'll get into trouble again (which would be a suspension or possible eventual jail time) but there's a risk a draft pick will bust.If St. Louis could land an elite qb who is locked up for 6 years at a relatively inexpensive price AND get a late first round pick, their team could very quickly go from a pushover to a group that could make a very strong push to win their division.If Big Ben stays out of trouble and performs well he would eventually be looked at as a guy who turned his life around. It's of course all a gamble but the entire draft itself is a gamble. At least with Ben you know you're getting a guy who is a very good qb.But again, I would totally understand if they declined this alleged deal. Imo it's a risk that is well worth rolling the dice.
Sure, fair. But when you hear the name Leonard Little, what's the first thing you think? I think "go drive drunk and murder someone else #######". When I hear Ray Lewis, I immediately think "wait to get away with it OJ". When I think of Favre? He didn't harm anyone else by being drunk, on painkillers. He just hurt himself. Anyway, just seems like a weird comparison.In terms of how as time passes history is reflected upon different.How is a drinking/painkiller addiction remotely comparable to multiple rape allegations?
I should have scrolled down. Chmura the babysitter rapist is a much better comparison than Favre. And when the name Chmura is mentioned in Green Bay, it always elicits a shake of the head followed by something like "what a pig, how do you screw your 17 year old babysitter?"Favre's problem was a personal problem, not a public problem. If you want an analogy using a Packer try Mossy Cade, or more recently Mark Chmura. Chmura crapped the sheets awefully badly. His allegations involved a drunken minor insted of a drunken 20 year old. At the time the Packers distanced themselves from him quite rapidly. Now, a dozen years later, time healing wounds, they are getting ready to enshrine him in their HOF.As for a trade to the Rams the Rams have Football Operation concerns and business valuation concerns. Since the Club is for sale I believe analysis here should be on whether any offered trade would increase or decrease the value of the franchise. I don't have any expertise to opine on that, but I have to believe that is a major consideration during this draft.I would understand if they passed on him (assuming the rumor I mentioned is the one offered). I simply think it would be a mistake. Fans get over things. Big Ben will likely never be a popular guy but this will die down a bit. Guys like Leonard Little and Jerramy Stevens are still in the league. Vick got a reprieve in the NFL.There is a risk he'll get into trouble again (which would be a suspension or possible eventual jail time) but there's a risk a draft pick will bust.
You think people look at Favre and Rae Carruth the same after all this time has passed?In terms of how as time passes history is reflected upon different.How is a drinking/painkiller addiction remotely comparable to multiple rape allegations?How few remember now that Favre had a big drinking problem and drug problem. Balt fans and the league sure have forgotten Ray Lewis murder situation as well. Time passes and this will die down and the next thing the media will fixate on will come along. Ben needs to clean up his act and just bury himself in becoming the best qb for the Steelers that he can for this to happen as well.
Fans in St Louis would probably embrace him. 
Cowboys and Raiders get a rap for taking on problem children. Fact is, the Ram are the worst organization in the NFL in this regard. No other team is even close to the scum that the Rams keep on their team. I bet Ben and Leonard would be quite the duo.
My team is San Francisco. I'd prefer Ben didn't go to St. Louis because it would improve their team. If I were in charge of San Francisco I would trade as low a pick as possible to get this guy. If I had to give up the first pick in the first round I would do it in a heartbeat. I would then schedule a press conference and give a stern warning, offer forgiveness, and really, really push the Singletary angle and his ability to turn players into responsible young men.If he had no incidents after one to two years people would point to Samurai Mike and say he smacked some sense into another athlete.Frankly, owners want to make money. Long term, winning and publicity do just that. Let the public talk about the team because of Big Ben, hope they become a winning franchise, but push Gore/Willis/Singletary as the face of the team and the guys who are keeping Ben "in check".ETA: I think Ben is scum. But he's scum who can help you win. And I wouldn't be opposed to cutting/trading him if he had another incident on the team. So it could certainly backfire but everything is a gamble to some degree.
No. One of them was convicted of a heinous crime and one was not.You think people look at Favre and Rae Carruth the same after all this time has passed?In terms of how as time passes history is reflected upon different.How is a drinking/painkiller addiction remotely comparable to multiple rape allegations?How few remember now that Favre had a big drinking problem and drug problem. Balt fans and the league sure have forgotten Ray Lewis murder situation as well. Time passes and this will die down and the next thing the media will fixate on will come along. Ben needs to clean up his act and just bury himself in becoming the best qb for the Steelers that he can for this to happen as well.
You would want the Steelers to draft a 4-3 DT and have retreads like Leftwich and Bulger at qb. No thanks.
Yeah. I think Suh is more of a sure thing than Bradford
So you want the Steelers to overhaul their 3-4 defense to a 4-3 on top of playing a subpar qb?Yeah. I think Suh is more of a sure thing than Bradford
do you work for the steelers?
When has the #1 ever been worth 3 top 20 picks?
I was assuming the Steelers wouldn't be parting with their own first rounder.
I used to think along these lines too and was overjoyed when Terell Owens came to Dallas. Your mind tells you that you get a great player, how could a team possibly be better without that great player than with him?? It just doesn't add up, accept it does add up with the intagibles of what it takes to win a thing like a championship.Now, Ben's won a couple championships but that was before all of these allegations. How do you keep a tightly run ship like the Steelers when you have the NO. 1 guy doing the things he's doing?Now, as I mentioned if I were the Steelers I'd keep this guy but it would have to be under certain restrictions and that would be he'd need to get some help. I would then hope that this guy would face his teammates and tell them how sorry he was and that his behavior has been wrong etc..... we've all made mistakes, if a guy truly wants to change then I'd stand behind someone like that, that's a big IF though.
When Peyton Manning came out. Worth six top 20 picks.
Leonard Little aside, who are we talking about here?Fans in St Louis would probably embrace him.
Cowboys and Raiders get a rap for taking on problem children. Fact is, the Ram are the worst organization in the NFL in this regard. No other team is even close to the scum that the Rams keep on their team. I bet Ben and Leonard would be quite the duo.
Seahawks were much too slow to rid themselves of that trash.
I thought they already did this a few yrs ago?
I'm talking liquidation of all assets.
If you're not sure, the chances are you do not.
This is what's ridiculous to me. Though I'd do the same thing if I were the owner. They're saying they won't tolerate this behavior and they'll ignore his words and watch his actions but in reality they're doing just the opposite.Just goes to show you nearly every player can be dumped if they become too big a pain, but elite qb's are so incredibly rare to find they're held to a different standard.Which is another reason the Broncos were fools with Cutler but that's for another thread.
