NFL Debunks Vince Young Wonderlic Rumor (1 Viewer)

[BigJim®]

Two can play this game.

I debunk the NFL and it's silly explanation.

Wow.Who can argue with impeccable logic like that?

We haven't seen your "logic" yet. All I've read went something like, "it was on PFT so it must be wrong."

Then you haven't read this thread.Don't jump into the middle of a thread without reading it, then expect people to rehash their previous posts for you. Jeez...it's like trying to watch TV with a chick.

Pay attention.

Translation: "I haven't made a single valid point yet but you probably don't realize it so I'll pretend I did."

 

[BigJim®]

Some of the mulitple score deals are wild:

Losman got a 31 and a 14?!?

Akili got a 37 and a 15?!?

-QG

Not to mention Young got a 6 and a 16.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Two can play this game.

I debunk the NFL and it's silly explanation.

Wow.Who can argue with impeccable logic like that?

We haven't seen your "logic" yet. All I've read went something like, "it was on PFT so it must be wrong."

Then you haven't read this thread.Don't jump into the middle of a thread without reading it, then expect people to rehash their previous posts for you. Jeez...it's like trying to watch TV with a chick.

Pay attention.

Translation: "I haven't made a single valid point yet but you probably don't realize it so I'll pretend I did."

Translation...BigJim: "I don't feel like actually reading the thread, so I'll make a smartass comment about someone I know nothing about."Whatever makes ya feel better, little man.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Some of the mulitple score deals are wild:

Losman got a 31 and a 14?!?

Akili got a 37 and a 15?!?

-QG

Not to mention Young got a 6 and a 16.

Some people will absolutely believe anything they are told, even by some cheesy psuedo-satire rumor board, especially if it's about someone they envy, don't like, or want to get some "dirt" on.Then they continue to spout it off as "fact", even though they have not one shred of evidence to back them up, other than "I heard it, so it must be true".

Sad.

Pathetic.

 

[fatness]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

 

[Hawk]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

 

[B-Deep]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

While I am not disagreeing, there is something odd going on with this. The league just needs to (and not through other people) tell the entire story. I don't really think there's any conspiracy, but the stories are all jumbled up and there is some explaining to do.While people do take it twice, both scores are reported (I believe). If he took it the first time and they are not reporting his score they need to say exactly why, IF there is any prayer of this story going away.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

While I am not disagreeing, there is something odd going on with this. The league just needs to (and not through other people) tell the entire story. I don't really think there's any conspiracy, but the stories are all jumbled up and there is some explaining to do.While people do take it twice, both scores are reported (I believe). If he took it the first time and they are not reporting his score they need to say exactly why, IF there is any prayer of this story going away.

Many people take the test more than twice. It's common for people to take the Wonderlic multiple times, as the league puts no limit on the number of times you can test. Stupid, if you ask me, but that's the way it is. They didn't ask me. Wait...my phone's ringing...caller ID...nope. Not the NFL. So anyway...Several people at the combine have already taken the test more than once this year, but only Young gets ripped for it. In fact, he's the only one you even hear about testing twice.The NFL does not "report" anyone's score.

 

[cstu]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

 

[BigJim®]

Some of the mulitple score deals are wild:

Losman got a 31 and a 14?!?

Akili got a 37 and a 15?!?

-QG

Not to mention Young got a 6 and a 16.

Some people will absolutely believe anything they are told, even by some cheesy psuedo-satire rumor board, especially if it's about someone they envy, don't like, or want to get some "dirt" on.Then they continue to spout it off as "fact", even though they have not one shred of evidence to back them up, other than "I heard it, so it must be true".

Sad.

Pathetic.

 

[BigJim®]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate. TIA

 

[george]

I may have to take this tonight when I get home. Might also let my 10 year old son take it and see how he does. God I hope he doesn't do better than me. God I hope he does better than VY.

 

[BigJim®]

I may have to take this tonight when I get home. Might also let my 10 year old son take it and see how he does. God I hope he doesn't do better than me. God I hope he does better than VY.

You should both easily be able to surpass VY's 6.HTH

 

[AB in DC]

Two can play this game.

I debunk the NFL and it's silly explanation.

Wow.Who can argue with impeccable logic like that?

We haven't seen your "logic" yet. All I've read went something like, "it was on PFT so it must be wrong."

Then you haven't read this thread.Don't jump into the middle of a thread without reading it, then expect people to rehash their previous posts for you. Jeez...it's like trying to watch TV with a chick.

Pay attention.

Again making up facts to suit your point of view. Looks like it's becoming a habit for you. I suggest that you try quitting cold turkey.

 

[AB in DC]

Then you haven't read this thread.

Don't jump into the middle of a thread without reading it, then expect people to rehash their previous posts for you. Jeez...it's like trying to watch TV with a chick.

Pay attention.

Translation: "I haven't made a single valid point yet but you probably don't realize it so I'll pretend I did."

 

[AB in DC]

This has turned into one giant "he said, she said". Or in this case "these three guys said, these other guys said." We're never going to know the truth of the matter. But to claim that one side has the sole claim to truth and the other side is just making stuff up is just asinine.

 

[B-Deep]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

While I am not disagreeing, there is something odd going on with this. The league just needs to (and not through other people) tell the entire story. I don't really think there's any conspiracy, but the stories are all jumbled up and there is some explaining to do.While people do take it twice, both scores are reported (I believe). If he took it the first time and they are not reporting his score they need to say exactly why, IF there is any prayer of this story going away.

Many people take the test more than twice. It's common for people to take the Wonderlic multiple times, as the league puts no limit on the number of times you can test. Stupid, if you ask me, but that's the way it is. They didn't ask me. Wait...my phone's ringing...caller ID...nope. Not the NFL. So anyway...Several people at the combine have already taken the test more than once this year, but only Young gets ripped for it. In fact, he's the only one you even hear about testing twice.The NFL does not "report" anyone's score.

OK, by report I meant release to the teams, which is as good as reporting because the teams then release it to the world (see ricky williams failed drug test). When teams get the list of wonderlic scores if it records multiple scores for some players, which seems to be the case since we KNOW certain players took it two or more times AND we know their scores, and it DOES NOT have the first score for VY then they should have to explain why.I am not saying he got a 6, I am not calling him dumb, and I in no way consider this a conspiracy. But something happened that the NFL says voided his first test, and since this is a potential top 3 pick they really should explain those circumstances

If they choose not to then he may as well have gotten the 6, because it will be in peoples minds.

 

[Hawk]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate. TIA

I don't have time to look for links, but they are everywhere at this point. Check the websites for the Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio papers. In addition, Mack Brown said yesterday that he was specifically told by the NFL that the 6 was not correct, I posted those quotes in the other VY thread already.

I'm not saying anyone here knows what really happened, but the one thing that has been confirmed is that the 6 was not correct. As for the correct score, its not reported yet. None of the scores have been announced publicly yet except VY's 16 on his second test which was announced by VY's agent.

 

[BigJim®]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate. TIA

I don't have time to look for links, but they are everywhere at this point. Check the websites for the Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio papers. In addition, Mack Brown said yesterday that he was specifically told by the NFL that the 6 was not correct, I posted those quotes in the other VY thread already.

I'm not saying anyone here knows what really happened, but the one thing that has been confirmed is that the 6 was not correct. As for the correct score, its not reported yet. None of the scores have been announced publicly yet except VY's 16 on his second test which was announced by VY's agent.

Whatever, I'm not the one who claimed "repeated" reports. The only difference between you spending time and me spending time is I know the reports you're alluding to don't exist. The ONLY report you'll find is Casserley's, other than the Mack Brown quotes from today (and BTW, what the heck credibility does Mack Brown have on an NFL/Combine issue). There are no other links, there are no other quotes. HTH

 

[pettifogger]

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

Interesting article on Wonderlic test with a sample test.

 

[pettifogger]

BTW someone mentioned JP Losman got a low score. This poster on another site (posting 2004 scores) indicated he got a 31.

For perspective: Maurice Clarett got a 20.

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/forum/t...?TOPIC_ID=12352

 

[toxicbees]

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

Interesting article on Wonderlic test with a sample test.

Wow that sample test is simple.

 

[lod2005]

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

Interesting article on Wonderlic test with a sample test.

Wow that sample test is simple.

That ought to tell anyone with a brain to stay clear of Vince Young. Pick him and enjoy picking in the top half of the draft for years to come.

 

[fatness]

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate.

TIA

LINK

"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.

"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."

 

[BigJim®]

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any  you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate.

TIA

LINK

"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.

"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."

I'll grant that this is another report but frankly this report sounds like the end of a game of telephone, and clearly it was bad info if the test wasn't "corrected." The 2nd paragraph seems to be his own thoughts on the possible problem since that does not appear to be what happend (if it was, the right scoring key would have been used to "correct" the situation). I am glad you pointed out this quote, however, because a test being "improperly given" (i.e. lack of ADA accommodations) does lend more credence to an ADA situation than a test being improperly scored.

 

[redman]

The only people still saying he scored a 6 are showing their agenda, and their ###.

Agenda? Who's got an agenda?

 

[fatness]

The 2nd paragraph seems to be his own thoughts on the possible problem since that does not appear to be what happend (if it was, the right scoring key would have been used to "correct" the situation).

Well, to be honest, Casserly's words about the matter are no more detailed than the words of Floyd Reese; less so, in fact. Casserly just said he had it on good authority that 6 was wrong.I do not believe either of them had been told at the time of their quotes exactly what the problem was with the 6.

 

[roadkill1292]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

Make sure you vote a couple of times in Joe Bryant's conspiracy poll.

 

[guderian]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would the NFL want to protect Young from negative publicity when it would eventually catch up to him on the field? It makes no sense for them to inflate the draft slot of a player only to see him bust--they certainly don't want another Ryan Leaf situation. If a #10-15 pick busts it's no big deal, but if a top 3 pick busts they'll have another Ryan Leaf situation on their hands. If Young has a red flag it's better to let him take the hit now BEFORE he is an NFL player than to wait for it to catch up to him. In fact, if someone wanted to buy into the "NFL wanting to hype a young talent" thesis, wouldn't it be better to let him slip in the draft and go to a better team?

 

[cstu]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would the NFL want to protect Young from negative publicity when it would eventually catch up to him on the field? It makes no sense for them to inflate the draft slot of a player only to see him bust--they certainly don't want another Ryan Leaf situation. If a #10-15 pick busts it's no big deal, but if a top 3 pick busts they'll have another Ryan Leaf situation on their hands. If Young has a red flag it's better to let him take the hit now BEFORE he is an NFL player than to wait for it to catch up to him. In fact, if someone wanted to buy into the "NFL wanting to hype a young talent" thesis, wouldn't it be better to let him slip in the draft and go to a better team?

Unlike the NBA, the NFL doesn't care where a player goes as long as he sells product. The NFL has a lot to lose if people don't jump on the VY bandwagon since they will get at minimum a couple years of hype before the luster wears off. The NFL would still hype a guy like Leaf since they care more about hitting a Vick-type jackpot than busting on a problem player.

 

[guderian]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would the NFL want to protect Young from negative publicity when it would eventually catch up to him on the field? It makes no sense for them to inflate the draft slot of a player only to see him bust--they certainly don't want another Ryan Leaf situation. If a #10-15 pick busts it's no big deal, but if a top 3 pick busts they'll have another Ryan Leaf situation on their hands. If Young has a red flag it's better to let him take the hit now BEFORE he is an NFL player than to wait for it to catch up to him. In fact, if someone wanted to buy into the "NFL wanting to hype a young talent" thesis, wouldn't it be better to let him slip in the draft and go to a better team?

Unlike the NBA, the NFL doesn't care where a player goes as long as he sells product. The NFL has a lot to lose if people don't jump on the VY bandwagon since they will get at minimum a couple years of hype before the luster wears off. The NFL would still hype a guy like Leaf since they care more about hitting a Vick-type jackpot than busting on a problem player.

Yes, but according to the marketing conspiracy theory the NFL would have more "product" to sell if Young went to a team that was .500 last year and they could justify putting them on MNF than if Young went to, say the Saints.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The only people still saying he scored a 6 are showing their agenda, and their ###.

Agenda? Who's got an agenda?

What do David Thomas and Reggie Bush have to do with Vince Young?Nice attempt to make it look as if all those posts were on this subject.

The rest were just responses to stupid speculation, i.e. unfounded rumors.

Again making up facts to suit your point of view. Looks like it's becoming a habit for you. I suggest that you try quitting cold turkey.

OK then, tell me, exactly, what have I made up? Be specific now.LMAO.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate. TIA

The ONLY report you'll find is Casserley's, other than the Mack Brown quotes from today (and BTW, what the heck credibility does Mack Brown have on an NFL/Combine issue). There are no other links, there are no other quotes.

I posted this 2 nights ago on THIS thread...

nashvillecitypaper.com

NFL: Reports of Young’s exam score inaccurate

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

February 27, 2006

INDIANAPOLIS — The buzz around the NFL Combine Saturday and Sunday was that Texas quarterback Vince Young had scored an extremely low 6 on his Wonderlic exam.

And while several reporters said they heard the score was correct and that Young had not done any pre-test preparation for the exam before the Combine, NFL spokesman Steve Alic said the rumors are inaccurate.

“I can tell you absolutely that the score that has been reported on the Internet is inaccurate,” Alic said . “I spoke to the person who graded the test, and he assured me that that number was not correct.”

 

[the hairy scotsman]

BTW someone mentioned JP Losman got a low score.  This poster on another site (posting 2004 scores) indicated he got a 31. 

For perspective: Maurice Clarett got a 20. 

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/forum/t...?TOPIC_ID=12352

For perspective...Dan Marino scored a 14.For a little more perspective, Leinart scored a 35, but it didn't keep him from throwing a critical pick in the Rose Bowl. Not ripping Leinart...just the relevance of the test. Sure, I'd love it if everyone scored higher, but Floyd Reese summed up best...

"I've seen players test in single digits and play 10 years, and I've seen some guys test in the 30s that couldn't walk across the street," said (Tennessee GM Floyd) Reese, who has been in the NFL since 1975.

...and the Raiders love Vince. Sean Jones:

"All I need to know about Vince Young is that he came up with one of the greatest performances ever in the Rose Bowl," Jones said. "In the fourth quarter, I saw (USC coach) Pete Carroll throw every kind of blitz at Vince. I saw Vince read the blitz and beat the blitz.

"I don't care what his Wonderlic score is. The only score I care about is 41-38."

 

[BigJim®]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate. TIA

The ONLY report you'll find is Casserley's, other than the Mack Brown quotes from today (and BTW, what the heck credibility does Mack Brown have on an NFL/Combine issue). There are no other links, there are no other quotes.

I posted this 2 nights ago on THIS thread...

nashvillecitypaper.com

NFL: Reports of Young’s exam score inaccurate

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

February 27, 2006

INDIANAPOLIS — The buzz around the NFL Combine Saturday and Sunday was that Texas quarterback Vince Young had scored an extremely low 6 on his Wonderlic exam.

And while several reporters said they heard the score was correct and that Young had not done any pre-test preparation for the exam before the Combine, NFL spokesman Steve Alic said the rumors are inaccurate.

“I can tell you absolutely that the score that has been reported on the Internet is inaccurate,” Alic said . “I spoke to the person who graded the test, and he assured me that that number was not correct.”

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

Other than the *single* quote attributed to second hand information Charlie Casserly claimed to know, please provide any you have to these "repeated" statements that the 6 was not accurate. TIA

The ONLY report you'll find is Casserley's, other than the Mack Brown quotes from today (and BTW, what the heck credibility does Mack Brown have on an NFL/Combine issue). There are no other links, there are no other quotes.

I posted this 2 nights ago on THIS thread...

nashvillecitypaper.com

NFL: Reports of Young’s exam score inaccurate

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

February 27, 2006

INDIANAPOLIS — The buzz around the NFL Combine Saturday and Sunday was that Texas quarterback Vince Young had scored an extremely low 6 on his Wonderlic exam.

And while several reporters said they heard the score was correct and that Young had not done any pre-test preparation for the exam before the Combine, NFL spokesman Steve Alic said the rumors are inaccurate.

“I can tell you absolutely that the score that has been reported on the Internet is inaccurate,” Alic said . “I spoke to the person who graded the test, and he assured me that that number was not correct.”

[H.I. McDonough voice]Well, OK then.[/H.I. McDonough voice]

 

[fatness]

Make sure you vote a couple of times in Joe Bryant's conspiracy poll.

My post has been in that thread all day.

 

[cstu]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would the NFL want to protect Young from negative publicity when it would eventually catch up to him on the field? It makes no sense for them to inflate the draft slot of a player only to see him bust--they certainly don't want another Ryan Leaf situation. If a #10-15 pick busts it's no big deal, but if a top 3 pick busts they'll have another Ryan Leaf situation on their hands. If Young has a red flag it's better to let him take the hit now BEFORE he is an NFL player than to wait for it to catch up to him. In fact, if someone wanted to buy into the "NFL wanting to hype a young talent" thesis, wouldn't it be better to let him slip in the draft and go to a better team?

Unlike the NBA, the NFL doesn't care where a player goes as long as he sells product. The NFL has a lot to lose if people don't jump on the VY bandwagon since they will get at minimum a couple years of hype before the luster wears off. The NFL would still hype a guy like Leaf since they care more about hitting a Vick-type jackpot than busting on a problem player.

Yes, but according to the marketing conspiracy theory the NFL would have more "product" to sell if Young went to a team that was .500 last year and they could justify putting them on MNF than if Young went to, say the Saints.

How about a team like the Raiders with him throwing to Moss? Seems like that could be a marketing bonanza.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would the NFL want to protect Young from negative publicity when it would eventually catch up to him on the field? It makes no sense for them to inflate the draft slot of a player only to see him bust--they certainly don't want another Ryan Leaf situation. If a #10-15 pick busts it's no big deal, but if a top 3 pick busts they'll have another Ryan Leaf situation on their hands. If Young has a red flag it's better to let him take the hit now BEFORE he is an NFL player than to wait for it to catch up to him. In fact, if someone wanted to buy into the "NFL wanting to hype a young talent" thesis, wouldn't it be better to let him slip in the draft and go to a better team?

Unlike the NBA, the NFL doesn't care where a player goes as long as he sells product. The NFL has a lot to lose if people don't jump on the VY bandwagon since they will get at minimum a couple years of hype before the luster wears off. The NFL would still hype a guy like Leaf since they care more about hitting a Vick-type jackpot than busting on a problem player.

Yes, but according to the marketing conspiracy theory the NFL would have more "product" to sell if Young went to a team that was .500 last year and they could justify putting them on MNF than if Young went to, say the Saints.

How about a team like the Raiders with him throwing to Moss? Seems like that could be a marketing bonanza.

At this point, Young to the Raiders seems likely, imho, if someone else doesn't get him first, and in an offense loaded with that many weapons, I think he could flourish.The Raiders are making no secret of the fact that they love the guy.

 

[AB in DC]

Latest from the RumorMill -- take it as you will

VINCE'S "REAL" SCORE ON FIRST WONDERLIC

A league source tells us that, indeed, Texas quarterback Vince Young's Saturday Wonderlic was re-scored due to a grading error.

And the "real" score was higher than the six that spread through the scouting combine like a flash fire in a balsa wood factory.

But before Vince or agent Major Adams or Longhorns coach Mack Brown uncork the bubbly, the "real" score doesn't quite grant Young unfettered access to the next annual meeting of Mensa.

After further review, he got a seven.

We'd previously questioned the reasoning behind declaring the Saturday report erroneous due to a scoring error, and then giving him the test again on Sunday. Common sense suggests that, if everything is on the up-and-up at the combine, they merely would re-score the first test.

Now, it all makes sense.

 

[-OZ-]

Hey scotsman: 2 scouts leaked that information about Young's score being 6; that was just the first of many sites to report it. Plenty of NFL front office people are aware of that score, his agent is aware of it, the league supposedly gave him a retest since they were aware of it. Wake up.

The league has said (or people quoting the league have said)...repeatedly...that the 6 was not accurate. So who needs to wake up? From what I have read to date, on his second test he got 16, the first test was not a 6, but it has not been confirmed as to what it was (so likely still lower than VY wanted). Also, many players take it more than once, not just Vince.

What makes more sense to you: That 2 scouts would lie about the score or that it was a mistake

or

The NFL wants to protect one of its top young talents from embarrassing negative publicity in the media?

The mere fact that Vince Young supposedly retook it again and the retaken score was immediately reported and not the original score tells me that the NFL spin doctors are hard at work trying to repair VY's image.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would the NFL want to protect Young from negative publicity when it would eventually catch up to him on the field? It makes no sense for them to inflate the draft slot of a player only to see him bust--they certainly don't want another Ryan Leaf situation. If a #10-15 pick busts it's no big deal, but if a top 3 pick busts they'll have another Ryan Leaf situation on their hands. If Young has a red flag it's better to let him take the hit now BEFORE he is an NFL player than to wait for it to catch up to him. In fact, if someone wanted to buy into the "NFL wanting to hype a young talent" thesis, wouldn't it be better to let him slip in the draft and go to a better team?

Unlike the NBA, the NFL doesn't care where a player goes as long as he sells product. The NFL has a lot to lose if people don't jump on the VY bandwagon since they will get at minimum a couple years of hype before the luster wears off. The NFL would still hype a guy like Leaf since they care more about hitting a Vick-type jackpot than busting on a problem player.

Yes, but according to the marketing conspiracy theory the NFL would have more "product" to sell if Young went to a team that was .500 last year and they could justify putting them on MNF than if Young went to, say the Saints.

How about a team like the Raiders with him throwing to Moss? Seems like that could be a marketing bonanza.

At this point, Young to the Raiders seems likely, imho, if someone else doesn't get him first, and in an offense loaded with that many weapons, I think he could flourish.The Raiders are making no secret of the fact that they love the guy.

Decent sized market, die-hard fan base which wouldn't score higher collectively, Randy Moss...Young to Oakland would be ideal from a few perspectives, marketing is just one of them.