NFL Debunks Vince Young Wonderlic Rumor (1 Viewer)

[P Boy]

From what I heard om the radio is was not a six but a nine, someone got the numbers turned around!

The fax must have been upside down.

 

[fatness]

Very good article on it here: Chron.com article

"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.

"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."

It sounds like they scored it wrong, and the 6 he got was based on grading Test A using Text B correct answers. Here's the real important part for Vince Young:

Young took the test again and scored 16.

 

[Baracuda]

From Rotoworld:

Vince Young scored a 16 on the Wonderlic after re-taking it Sunday.

That's still a low score for a quarterback, but not as mind-numbing as the 6 that was originally reported. A mistake was reportedly made correcting his original test. The lowest score any NFL starting quarterback who started in 2005 was J.P. Losman's 14. This shouldn't be a huge factor in Young's draft status. Feb. 27 - 8:15 am et

Source: Houston Chronicle

 

[fatness]

Also posted there: test was scored wrong

"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.

"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."

Young took it again and got a 16.

 

[ahill84006]

John Clayton just reported this on Mike and Mike too...........

 

[crowe1130]

Maybe they should test the scorers too. How hard can it be to grade a multiple choice test?

And wouldn't you think that this would be an auto-scored pencil sheet like the old SAT?

 

[Futility]

Now we can put this to rest. (Though knowing the Shark Pool, it probably won't happen)

:waitsforconspiracytheories:

 

[nygiants56]

So, we can assume he may have scored an 8, or possibly a 10? Young's handlers should have Vince scoring in the mid-teens for the next test.

given that he probably got 5 free points just for signing his name correctly, this isn't too promising

 

[BigTex]

Now we can put this to rest. (Though knowing the Shark Pool, it probably won't happen)

:waitsforconspiracytheories:

Just reported on a local sports show that Adams (VY agent) has admitted the 6 score and the 16 is his retake.

 

[BigJim®]

The story was garbage, just like PFT is garbage.

Whatever. The rumor was technically 100% correct, but they are now saying the accurately reported 6 score may have been caused by human error. I'd think this would be obvious, but HTH. That people are going out of their way to "debunk" as "an internet rumor" what should technically be described as "an accurate rumor which can be explained away" speaks volumes to me.

 

[matuski]

I'm gonna go ahead and stand by my prediction of BUST either way.

And something is fishy about a "mistake" being made by the scorers... kinda like "my dog ate my homework."

 

[Futility]

Now we can put this to rest. (Though knowing the Shark Pool, it probably won't happen)

:waitsforconspiracytheories:

Just reported on a local sports show that Adams (VY agent) has admitted the 6 score and the 16 is his retake.

That was quicker than I expected.

 

[BigTex]

Now we can put this to rest. (Though knowing the Shark Pool, it probably won't happen)

:waitsforconspiracytheories:

Just reported on a local sports show that Adams (VY agent) has admitted the 6 score and the 16 is his retake.

That was quicker than I expected.

This is the Shark Pool.

 

[fatness]

Young takes Wonderlic.

His score is 6.

The low score receives a lot of publicity.

The league looks at how the test was scored.

The league finds the reported score of 6 was due to incorrect scoring.

Young takes the test again and gets 16.

That's how I'd summarize it.

 

[Your Mom]

John Clayton reported on Mike and Mike that Young's agent, Major Harris (remember him) is the one reporting that young scored a 16. No one else has said that.

 

[ExaltedOne]

So, we can assume he may have scored an 8, or possibly a 10?  Young's handlers should have Vince scoring in the mid-teens for the next test.

given that he probably got 5 free points just for signing his name correctly, this isn't too promising

Official reports now are that he got a 16. Considering McNabb got a 12 and Marino got a 14, I'd say thats decent enough. He may just not be good at taking that kind of test. I took it and it's pretty hard (although I got a 34). The timer is really short.

 

[AB in DC]

That's what it looks like to me.

 

[JAA]

John Clayton reported on Mike and Mike that Young's agent, Major Harris (remember him) is the one reporting that young scored a 16. No one else has said that.

Major Harris is VY's agent?

 

[redman]

In other news, Young wears a sign around his neck, written upside-down, that says, "Breath, breath".

 

[Baracuda]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?! What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round. That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

 

[Your Mom]

John Clayton reported on Mike and Mike that Young's agent, Major Harris (remember him) is the one reporting that young scored a 16.  No one else has said that.

Major Harris is VY's agent?

Clayton said major harris, now cold pizza guy just said major adams. Sorry, i just wrote what i heard. I dont know.

 

[3nOut]

Why not just rescore the original test to get an accurate score instead of having him retake the test?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why not just rescore the original test to get an accurate score instead of having him retake the test?

That's what I was thinking. This smells fishy.

 

[redman]

Why not just rescore the original test to get an accurate score instead of having him retake the test?

This one goes to eleven.

 

[cracKer]

OK, so he scores a 16 with the answers given to him. He would've scored higher, but his Under Armour was so tight that he couldn't read all the way up his forearm.

 

[Kleck.]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?! What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round. That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

Dan Marino also scored a 14.

 

[fatness]

John Clayton reported on Mike and Mike that Young's agent, Major Harris (remember him) is the one reporting that young scored a 16. No one else has said that.

The plot thickens.Palm Beach Post

General managers and team executives were told Young took the Wonderlic test, which most teams use, scoring a 6, one of the lowest results of any high-profile player in league history. The maximum score is 50, and most players manage to at least score double digits. "Was he even trying?" one player asked.

The issue became even cloudier Sunday evening when Houston Texans General Manager Charley Casserly said National Scouting, the agency that administers the test, told him the rumor was false. Official scores will be released to teams next week. "I have been told it was inaccurate by a source good enough for me to stand up here and quote it," Casserly said Sunday. "Otherwise I wouldn't get up here and just say it."

Even after Casserly's statements, two team executives said they weren't willing to believe Young's score was incorrect, standing by the initial information that was given them.

NorthJersey.com

Several team sources confirmed the low score Sunday,

 

[Baracuda]

Interesting point. But, Dan Marino's physical abilities in college dwarfed JP Losman's. I wouldn't even put them in the same ballpark in terms of prospects. I didn't know that about Marino though.

 

[Kleck.]

Why not just rescore the original test to get an accurate score instead of having him retake the test?

The first test was filled with crayon marks and was not legible. I also heard Young put T's and F's in each circle rather than filling in the correct one.

 

[redman]

But they're not saying what it was.

It could have been a 5.

Read the article I linked. They won't have the scores for awhile.

Also, Young was on UT's Athletic Director's Academic Honor Roll for a few semesters.

The story was garbage, just like PFT is garbage.

[insert joke HERE]

 

[fruity pebbles]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?!  What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round.  That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

Dan Marino also scored a 14.

That explains the lack of Superbowl victories.

 

[joffer]

it's 50 questions right? Multiple choice with 5 possible answers? So if I guess blindly on every question I should get around a 10?

sportstalk radio here in Austin isn't talking about the actual score (surprise) as much as they are talking about the pathetically bad advice and representation VY is getting right now. Apparently he wasn't aware he was going to have to take a test?

 

[Kleck.]

Interesting point. But, Dan Marino's physical abilities in college dwarfed JP Losman's. I wouldn't even put them in the same ballpark in terms of prospects. I didn't know that about Marino though.

I absolutely agree.I just thought it was interesting and might give some Bills fans some hope. Even if it is false hope.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

In other news, Young wears a sign around his neck, written upside-down, that says, "Breath, breath".

So. He spelled it himself?

 

[redman]

In other news, Young wears a sign around his neck, written upside-down, that says, "Breath, breath".

So. He spelled it himself?

Next time I get my second cup of coffee before I rag on someone.

 

[Baracuda]

Sadly, I root for two teams, one of them IS the Bills...

 

[jrock]

Maybe this explains why VY runs so much. He has to improvise b/c he is too stupid to learn the plays.

 

[Chitown Mole]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?! What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round. That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

Marino, McNabb, McNair all had 13 - 16 scores....this means one thing. If they build a bridge...don't drive on it. Playing NFL QB? It's gonna be ok.

 

[dickey moe]

Nashville City Paper

NFL: Reports of Young’s exam score inaccurate

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

February 27, 2006

And while several reporters said they heard the score was correct and that Young had not done any pre-test preparation for the exam before the Combine, NFL spokesman Steve Alic said the rumors are inaccurate.

If the bolded part is accurate, this doesn't speak very well of Young. If I had the chance to be the #1 pick at a skill position requiring significant decision-making ability (i.e., QB), the one thing I would want to do is prepare for an intelligence-aptitude test, where the outcome could help affect my draft position and contract offer.

 

[matuski]

Maybe this explains why VY runs so much. He has to improvise b/c he is too stupid to learn the plays.

You are half kidding, but by looking back at the way he was brought along at UT, you could be spot on.

 

[Jason Wood]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?!  What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round.  That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

Marino, McNabb, McNair all had 13 - 16 scores....this means one thing. If they build a bridge...don't drive on it. Playing NFL QB? It's gonna be ok.

How many SB titles do those guys have between them again?

 

[guderian]

FBG's razor -- the most convoluted, complex explanation that requires the complicity of the greatest number of people is best.

 

[Futility]

Maybe this explains why VY runs so much.  He has to improvise b/c he is too stupid to learn the plays.

You are half kidding, but by looking back at the way he was brought along at UT, you could be spot on.

I hope you're half kidding as well. National. Championship.

 

[Da Guru]

Maybe they did not grade the first test on a curve.

U-T has got to love this.

I thought that Texas had a no child gets left behind policy?

 

[Bojang0301]

Young takes Wonderlic.

His score is 6.

The low score receives a lot of publicity.

The league looks at how the test was scored.

The league finds the reported score of 6 was due to incorrect scoring.

Young takes the test again and gets 16.

That's how I'd summarize it.

Too bad simplicity isn't in a lot of these guys vocab. Consiperacy theories and #####ing are more fun I guess.

 

[Bojang0301]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?!  What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round.  That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

Marino, McNabb, McNair all had 13 - 16 scores....this means one thing. If they build a bridge...don't drive on it. Playing NFL QB? It's gonna be ok.

How many SB titles do those guys have between them again?

Arn't you technically ripping on yourself?

 

[BigJim®]

Very good article on it here: Chron.com article

"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.

"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."

It sounds like they scored it wrong, and the 6 he got was based on grading Test A using Text B correct answers. Here's the real important part for Vince Young:

Young took the test again and scored 16.

It doesn't take a 16 Wonderlic to see this makes zero sense. You don't retake the test when the wrong answer key was used... you re-score using the correct answer key. I'm with PFT; many team reps have gone on record saying they believe the initial reports and the NFL should come clean with exactly what happened and why VY was retested instead of being rescored if it wants to maintain credibility. I think most people can see this thing for what it is: This is an absolute smoke screen, damage control, pile of bad smelling do-do.

 

[Jason Wood]

By the way, Losman scored a 14?!?!  What the heck were the Bills thinking trading up to draft him in the first round.  That explains a lot to me about what happened to them.

Marino, McNabb, McNair all had 13 - 16 scores....this means one thing. If they build a bridge...don't drive on it. Playing NFL QB? It's gonna be ok.

How many SB titles do those guys have between them again?

Arn't you technically ripping on yourself?

Absolutely. Ultimately I think those guys DO prove that low Wonderlic scores don't necessarily mean a QB can't be highly successful in the league. But if the ultimate prize is winning a Super Bowl, maybe that little "extra" intangible that separates the SB winning QBs from the rest is intellectual capacity and ability to reason under time pressures.

 

[Futility]

Maybe they did not grade the first test on a curve.

U-T has got to love this.

I thought that Texas had a no child gets left behind policy?

They do. So does your state.

 

[jrock]

Maybe this explains why VY runs so much.  He has to improvise b/c he is too stupid to learn the plays.

You are half kidding, but by looking back at the way he was brought along at UT, you could be spot on.

I hope you're half kidding as well. National. Championship.

Just b/c you win a title in college doesn't make you a great pro prospect. Here's just a few off the top of my head from the past 10 years or so that stunk it up in the pros:Ken Dorsey. Danny Wuerffel. Chris Weinke. Tee Martin. Craig Krenzel. Matt Mauck.