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NFL Labor Pains, Parts 1-6 (1 Viewer)

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I made a statement in a<u><b><i> MOCKS R US</i></b></u> thread about the record number of players placed on the IR this year. Read an article about the injuries and was thinking how the player's injury risk would increase with an 18 game season, a key component of the CBA negoiations.

I was looking to find the article, to post as back-up, and came across this series. I never did find the article I was looking for.

This is good read if you're interested. From <u>Andrew Brandt</u> at the <i><b><u>National Football Post :</i></b></u>

<a href="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Labor-pains-part-six.html" target="_blank">http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-La...s-part-six.html</a>

Here's a link to "100 CBA Facts You Need To Know"......some more lite reading material:

<a href="http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-News/100-CBA-Facts-You-Need-to-Know/" target="_blank">http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-New...u-Need-to-Know/</a>

Ah, Spring approaches! Isn't there some deal about "March coming in like a lion"?

 
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It annoyed me to hear so often "out for the year" with like 3 weeks left.

That had to skew the stats.

IIRC This was about the time teams were signing UFL guys too not that 100 went to NFL teams, but this was clearly a let's sign someone and see how he works out type move. These replacement players were likely to be "camp bodies" next summer too.

If anything it's like a workaround to give them two rounds of "future contracts" that scrubs sign in December with teams.

It's annoying but it's such a drop in the ocean of the CBA here.

 
It annoyed me to hear so often "out for the year" with like 3 weeks left.

That had to skew the stats.
I'm not able to back this up with stastical evidence but I did read somewhere that the majority of IR's players were placed there during the pre-season.
IIRC This was about the time teams were signing UFL guys too not that 100 went to NFL teams, but this was clearly a let's sign someone and see how he works out type move. These replacement players were likely to be "camp bodies" next summer too.

If anything it's like a workaround to give them two rounds of "future contracts" that scrubs sign in December with teams.

It's annoying but it's such a drop in the ocean of the CBA here.
Part #6 is all about the 18 game schedule, where "camp bodies" turn into rostered players. Turns out that the 18 game schedule becomes one of the key issues in the negoiations, as revenue from the whole long line of revenue generators kicks in for those two extra weeks. There's a players side, an owner's side, an advertising side and on and on.The FFB side is what we're interested in. What effect does all that have on FFB? That's what we should be looking at.

For starters, there's the lessening of injuies on the front end, i.e in the preseason. The guys on the roster bubble. They get two weeks less of camp time, of developmental time. That effects the rookie's, particularly the guys that learn "under fire" in game situations or that don't have the exposure to the complicated mental side of the game (read rookie WR's).

Does it lessen the injuries on the front end, though? Probably on the front end of the equation, it does: less beating up on each other in pratice. It places the 2-deep at each roster position into game mode where they begin earlier, thus placing a burden on re-hab and the timing of the return from previous year's injuries. Live action sooner = effect on re-hab.

OK, let's stay with the vets and see what happens on the back end. Long season = attrition over time. If your concern is the "madding injuries" in the final weeks, just figure that equation gets worse, not better. Smart teams with good roster depth will spread the work load and will prosper. Rebuilding teams with poor roster depth find it harder to compete. How ever, the odds of a scrub "coming out of nowhere (depth player, including the taxi squad) will increase. Studs at season start become after thoughts and scrubs at season start become more of a factor. That's a "general statement" and it applies more to the high injury risk players (RB's, QB's) and less to the lesser injury risk players (WR's).

If your in a Blid Bid League, in a Leagues that top sets the "moves", this is more of a factor. Trade deadline weeks will have to change accordingly: Week #10 deadlines become Week #12 deadlines.

I'll highlight the opperative part of this discussion and let's see if there's a whole bunch more points that come into play:

The FFB side is what we're interested in. What effect does all this have on FFB?

 
It annoyed me to hear so often "out for the year" with like 3 weeks left.That had to skew the stats.
I'm not able to back this up with stastical evidence but I did read somewhere that the majority of IR players were placed there during the pre-season.
This is fine by me. As I understand it, teams are amidst this last minute push to sign players to squeeze under the roster limit, they are analyzing 31 other teams waivers and here's these guys that get hurt or are hurting.If they IR them, then the CBA rules kick in and (I think) it depends on their experience to gauge what percent of their salary they will get and what percent goes against the cap. The process really sounds like a pain in the neck a tiny "cross to bear" so I can't imagine GMs going way out of their way to use it. Some sure, but not in an overdone manner.I think by FFB you mean fantasy football-As far as for FF, the NFL IR is fantastic. Questionable, doubtful, probably ....woohoo I know for sure that this guy isn't playing AND in most leagues I can then put him on an FF IR and free up a roster spot so I love NFL IR for FF. Feels like finally some definitive information I can work with.
 
I think one issue that will be key to FFB next year is how the bye weeks will be handled. I know every year one of the things that I have with me during a draft is a chart with all the bye weeks on it. I have wondered for a while how the bye week situation would work out if they went to 18 games. I have heard that they may go to 2 bye weeks for each team. But I have not been able to find anything on the internet stating how the bye weeks would be handled. Does anyone know? Or have anywhere to try to find this out.

 
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I think one issue that will be key to FFB next year is how the bye weeks will be handled. I know every year one of the things that I have with me during a draft is a chart with all the bye weeks on it. I have wondered for a while how the bye week situation would work out if they went to 18 games. I have heard that they may go to 2 bye weeks for each team. But I have not been able to find anything on the internet stating how the bye weeks would be handled. Does anyone know? Or have anywhere to try to find this out.
I think its a foregone conclusion that they go to 2 bye weeks. There is a segment of players that is dead set against going to 18 games and one way to appease them would be the extra bye week.In 1993 the league had 16 games, 2 bye weeks and the season lasted 18 weeks. Byes were in weeks 3 through 12. I'd expect something similar to this with the byes starting in week 3 or 4 and extending somewhere between week 12 or 14. Ideally, you'd want teams to have a bye early in the season and later in the season (5 or 6 weeks apart) but obviously this is easier said than done.
 
I think one issue that will be key to FFB next year is how the bye weeks will be handled. I know every year one of the things that I have with me during a draft is a chart with all the bye weeks on it. I have wondered for a while how the bye week situation would work out if they went to 18 games. I have heard that they may go to 2 bye weeks for each team. But I have not been able to find anything on the internet stating how the bye weeks would be handled. Does anyone know? Or have anywhere to try to find this out.
I've looked for any information that pertains to that topic. It's a detail that's certainly a possiblilty but it's difficult to see how the schedule makers would fit that it.The mathematical combinations become a factor as it's hard enough to set it up now with one bye week. The MOCKS R US early mocks/survivor drafts would become a thing of the past of there were two bye weeks.

Here's a link from 6 pm today discussing the NFLPA Boycotting the Scouting Combine.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFLPA-...ng-combine.html

We're talking War now. It'll be interesting to see if the NFLPA can pull this "Rookie Lock-Out" off: forcast is for ugly come last week of February.

 
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Toads said:
It won't happen. It's in the individual players' interest to attend the Combine.
Sound of rubber hitting the road: when do the players become behooven to the NFLA? When does a Rookie class bargaining chip become an issue of importance: with the Vets, with the Rookies, with the Owner's, with the public, with Fantasy Football ?Here's a link that appears in Part #1 under "lockout preparations" entitled ""The NFL Lockout Checklist".

http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-New...kout-Checklist/

The combine is just another chip in the negoiations......but, it's the first NFLPA chip (see "Proven Performance Plan"....the formal term for "Rookie Wage Scale") leading to War.

The facts just continue to pile up: this is gonna get interesting before it get's solved. Rember, the Owner's keep the $4 Billion if it falls apart.....and money talks.

 
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Toads said:
It won't happen. It's in the individual players' interest to attend the Combine.
Sound of rubber hitting the road: when do the players become behooven to the NFLA? When does a Rookie class bargaining chip become an issue of importance: with the Vets, with the Rookies, with the Owner's, with the public, with Fantasy Football ?Here's a link that appears in Part #1 under "locklist preparations" entitled ""The NFL Lockout Checklist".

http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-New...kout-Checklist/

The combine is just another chip in the negoiations......but, it's the first chip leading to War.
So... if that was written by the NFLPA, why are they writing the NFL Owners checklists?
 
Toads said:
It won't happen. It's in the individual players' interest to attend the Combine.
Sound of rubber hitting the road: when do the players become behooven to the NFLA? When does a Rookie class bargaining chip become an issue of importance: with the Vets, with the Rookies, with the Owner's, with the public, with Fantasy Football ?Here's a link that appears in Part #1 under "locklist preparations" entitled ""The NFL Lockout Checklist".

http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-New...kout-Checklist/

The combine is just another chip in the negoiations......but, it's the first chip leading to War.
So... if that was written by the NFLPA, why are they writing the NFL Owners checklists?
It's the Owner's check list, generated from their perspective. The NFLPA perspective is not published but it's easy to spot the NFL stategy as it unfolds once you've got the list. One of the items on the check list (Proven Performance Plan-Rookie Wage Scale) is what the Combine is about.
 
Toads said:
It won't happen. It's in the individual players' interest to attend the Combine.
Sound of rubber hitting the road: when do the players become behooven to the NFLA? When does a Rookie class bargaining chip become an issue of importance: with the Vets, with the Rookies, with the Owner's, with the public, with Fantasy Football ?Here's a link that appears in Part #1 under "locklist preparations" entitled ""The NFL Lockout Checklist".

http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-New...kout-Checklist/

The combine is just another chip in the negoiations......but, it's the first chip leading to War.
So... if that was written by the NFLPA, why are they writing the NFL Owners checklists?
It's the Owner's check list, generated from their perspective. The NFLPA perspective is not published but it's easy to spot the NFL stategy as it unfolds once you've got the list. One of the items on the check list (Proven Performance Plan-Rookie Wage Scale) is what the Combine is about.
Yes. I was being facetious. I think you are making a leap from the owners declining the NFLPAs rookie wage scale to locking out the combine. Maybe there's something I'm missing? And the NFLPA really needs to hire a better PR firm. The stuff they are putting out right now (like what you linked) is flat out awful.whoops - I meant NFLPA boycotting the combine. Either way, I don't think it's going to happen.

 
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I think you are making a leap from the owners declining the NFLPAs rookie wage scale to locking out the combine.
It isn't me making the connection. I'm just reading and reporting.
Maybe there's something I'm missing?
Possibly, yes.The Combine is set for Feb 23rd to March 1st. The CBA expires on March 3rd. The combine becomes the first hard chip in the time process.

It makes perfect sense to put the hard stop in place....the combine can always be rescheduled....it's not a time sensitive process. As is the draft production....there is nothing magic about the schedule. The magic "drop dead" date is March 3rd.

And the NFLPA really needs to hire a better PR firm. The stuff they are putting out right now (like what you linked) is flat out awful.

whoops - I meant NFLPA boycotting the combine. Either way, I don't think it's going to happen.
Read Parts one through six and report back. You seem to think that the popularity of the sport means that the players will take the back seat as well as supplying the vaseline for the process.Rember what Upshaw said: "Once the salary cap expires, it's never coming back." RIP Gene Upshaw, the crafter of the process. The new guy has no history of doing what Upshaw did and he did it well.

Cap expires march 3rd. Combine starts February 23rd....an interesting time line. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that the combine doesn't start on February 23rd. The deal gets done prior to March 3rd and the combine, and other time related functions, gets re-scheduled accordingly :goodposting:

 
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Thanks. Yeah, now I saw the link you added earlier in the thread regarding a reporter passing on some rumors that the NFLPA was going to boycott the combine. I'm in disbelief the incoming rookies will do that. I guess we shall see about that.

Do I think the popularity of the sport means the players will take a back seat, etc? Not just because of that, no. Enough of the players aren't independently wealthy and cannot maintain/alter their lifestyles to fit a strike/lockout season. That's a huge reason the players will fold.

 
Cap expires march 3rd. Combine starts February 23rd....an interesting time line. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that the combine doesn't start on February 23rd. The deal gets done prior to March 3rd and the combine, and other time related functions, gets re-scheduled accordingly :bag:
I'd take you up on both of those bets.The Combine goes off as scheduled. Very few rookies decline to attend. Maybe a few more than normal, but that's it. Too many projected mid-rounders and lower want to go to the Combine and perform well to improve their draft position. Draft position is the sole determinant of their upcoming income. The rookie wage scale is a done deal. There's no chance of getting rid of it by engaging into a mass boycott. There's also a very small chance the two sides come to an agreement by March 3rd. They are just too far apart right now. I've seen some disputes come together in a short time period as that deadline approaches, but this doesn't look to be one of them. The players are being asked to take a big paycut. They are pissed off and I predict they aren't going to fold until they start missing real paychecks in the fall. Meanwhile, the owners are united, and have the leverage. No way they crack before the players do. They'll wait the players out.
 
I think asking most of those kids to skip the Combine is unbelievably selfish by the veterans not not something that will a) engender any goodwill with the fans or b) make one bit of difference to the owners. These young guys NEED the Combine in many cases and not participating could literally cost them millions in some cases, and ROSTER spots in others. And the elite of the elite skip the Combine anyway, because they're the select few who know they'll get drafted without the dog and pony show.

 
I think asking most of those kids to skip the Combine is unbelievably selfish by the veterans not not something that will a) engender any goodwill with the fans or b) make one bit of difference to the owners. These young guys NEED the Combine in many cases and not participating could literally cost them millions in some cases, and ROSTER spots in others. And the elite of the elite skip the Combine anyway, because they're the select few who know they'll get drafted without the dog and pony show.
I guess it was back in the 80's when there were NFL picket lines at the stadiums. I could look it up but the details of the date are not important.What I was doing at the time was getting autographs from the players on some strike related items.....pieces of history. The players were united and crossing the picket line was ugly....it was a sad day in Black Rock.At what point do the Rookies have enough information to unite behind the Vets? At what point do the rookies become informed enough to realize that they are members, either defacto or future, of the Union picket line they are anticipating crossing?And, the agents: what leads them to an understanding of the issues at hand? The issue at hand is a renogiated CBA that slots Rookie salaries and reduces the take, harming the clients and the agents alike.In the previous picket era, the united stand was spured on by the name players that participated. Once the facts are explained to the Rookies, and their agents, by the likes of Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or several of a long line of stars that the NFLPA will align, the scope of the issue(s) will become clear.Today is the sixth. the combine is scheduled to start on the 23rd: 2-1/2 weeks. The battle will be won, the deal struck, prior to the 23rd. With that in mind, and with the history of the negoiators (Goodel and Smith don't have the one-on-one relationship the Tags and Upshaw basically hammered out the last CBA), the serious deal making will not happen until the last hour.For the players to bye pass there big opportunity to force the issue makes no sense.
 
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I think the combine definitely goes off as scheduled. As others have stated most of these rookies NEED this event to eventually get a contract. I understand why the NFLPA is asking these kids not to show up, but the rookies aren't yet part of the NFLPA UNTIL they sign their first deal. And no contracts can get signed until a new CBA is in place.

I think both sides are way closer to a deal than either are letting on. We know how this plays out:

- An 18 game schedule with 2 byes likely starting in 2012. I expect the NFLPA will want more studies done regarding injures before this gets implemented.

- Lower rookie cap for the first 15-20 picks. This helps both the veterans and the owners.

- Better health coverage for the players

- Expanded rosters

- Salary cap stays in place. The players want the cap too as it guarantees a MINIMUM that a club must spend. The cap went away and so did the minimums.

- Independent arbitration hearings for rulings on discipline that Goodell imposes

- Some expense/revenue carve outs for the owners that won't be included in total revenue/costs

and the whole negotiation becomes what eventual percentage of total revenues do the players end up with. But despite us all knowing where this likely lands, I think there will be massive posturing and gamesmanship that drags out this process until late July. It's going to suck for a lot of us as free agents will be in limbo, training camps will be rushed, some preseason games might be killed, etc. There will also be essentially a "dark period" where the only news we hear is about DUIs and arrests as no one will be practicing.

 
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I think the combine definitely goes off as scheduled. As others have stated most of these rookies NEED this event to eventually get a contract. I understand why the NFLPA is asking these kids not to show up, but the rookies aren't yet part of the NFLPA UNTIL they sign their first deal.

And no contracts can get signed until a new CBA is in place.
David, thanks for chiming in. The input is appropriate and the isssues are complicated beyond the short list you've mentioned. The big list of the issues is well defined in Parts 1-6.What is important here is how the Fantasy Football (FFB) related items sift out. In your scenario:

1) The Combine and 2) the Rookie Draft get done.

The net effect of the delayed contract signings will be the effect in the FA market. UFA's and RFA signings are pushed to a date that is far removed from the schedule we are used to. We'll know which teams select which Rookies but the FA's will be left in the same state as they are now.....they will be resigned by their current teams or on the free market and there will be no indication of where they are headed other than what information the Rookie draft yields.

Start up Dynasty Leagues will be effected: no Vet draft until team acquisitions are complete. Forcing that type of draft in that type of League makes no sense what so ever.

The Mocks R Us crowd will inherit the uncertainty that comes with unsigned FA's and that will have an effect until it's ironed out.

The dark period you speak of will be the pits as there will essentialy be no FFB during this time....no conversations on the nature of relativity. It seems like the majority of the FFB populace doesn't want to be bothered by the idea that it won't be business as usual.

No use confusing them with the facts. :X

 
I think the combine definitely goes off as scheduled. As others have stated most of these rookies NEED this event to eventually get a contract. I understand why the NFLPA is asking these kids not to show up, but the rookies aren't yet part of the NFLPA UNTIL they sign their first deal.

And no contracts can get signed until a new CBA is in place.
David, thanks for chiming in. The input is appropriate and the isssues are complicated beyond the short list you've mentioned. The big list of the issues is well defined in Parts 1-6.What is important here is how the Fantasy Football (FFB) related items sift out. In your scenario:

1) The Combine and 2) the Rookie Draft get done.

The net effect of the delayed contract signings will be the effect in the FA market. UFA's and RFA signings are pushed to a date that is far removed from the schedule we are used to. We'll know which teams select which Rookies but the FA's will be left in the same state as they are now.....they will be resigned by their current teams or on the free market and there will be no indication of where they are headed other than what information the Rookie draft yields.

Start up Dynasty Leagues will be effected: no Vet draft until team acquisitions are complete. Forcing that type of draft in that type of League makes no sense what so ever.

The Mocks R Us crowd will inherit the uncertainty that comes with unsigned FA's and that will have an effect until it's ironed out.

The dark period you speak of will be the pits as there will essentialy be no FFB during this time....no conversations on the nature of relativity. It seems like the majority of the FFB populace doesn't want to be bothered by the idea that it won't be business as usual.

No use confusing them with the facts. :lmao:
Hi Toads,Yes, I definitely see it being a change from business as usual. More so obviously for the dynasty guys than the pure redrafters.

A couple of things that I see on this.

Not every negotiation is like this but in my opinion, this one getting resolved is all about one thing - Pain. Meaning how painful things become for each side.

And "pain" here is most easily defined as lost revenue.

It's a generalization, but it's my opinion that the owners are much more able to tolerate this pain than are players. Some of you here know professional athletes. One of my best friends is a financial advisor with his portfolio consisting of a significant number of pro athletes. There are exceptions of course, but by and large, most of these guys are regular guys that have landed incredibly well paying jobs. Many are ill equipped to handle this giant influx of money. And many set their lives up in a way that they need a consistent (and large) stream of income coming in. When that stream shuts off, there is going to be pain. For some, significant pain.

The trouble for us as fans that want a quick resolution is the way that teams pay players. They are not normally receiving checks this time of year. Thus, they are not currently feeling any real pain. Once these players start missing paychecks, you'll see a radically different situation.

The other group that IS feeling pain now are the Free Agents. An unrestricted Free Agent that misses out on a big payday right now with a huge bonus up front is feeling the pain right now. So you have that.

In the same way, the #1 draft pick that would likely have had a pre draft contract and big bonus starts feeling that pain in April. Although the pain isn't as severe in some ways because it's money he's not tasted yet.

So for me, I'm watching the pain. And how it's affecting people. For a good example, look at the "I'll smash ur face in" blow up between Antonio Cromartie and Matt Hasselbeck. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm guessing Cromartie's impatience is primarily fueled by the pain he's feeling as a free agent right now.

And that leads me to my second point. As was mentioned on Bill Simmons' podcast recently, I think Twitter saves the league. Meaning I think there is no way the union unity doesn't crumble once you have 50 players tweeting like Cromartie. I don't know how strongly the NFLPA can muzzle their guys but I have to believe they won't be effective in keeping them quiet. We've never had a time in history where players have such an unfiltered public voice. And I think this bites them.

I'm hopeful for an earlier resolution, but from what I see, it seems like there isn't enough pain for either side right now for anything meaningful to happen. Hope I'm wrong there.

J

 
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Yes, I definitely see it being a change from business as usual. More so obviously for the dynasty guys than the pure redrafters. A couple of things that I see on this.Not every negotiation is like this but in my opinion, this one getting resolved is all about one thing - Pain. Meaning how painful things become for each side.And "pain" here is most easily defined as lost revenue.It's a generalization, but it's my opinion that the owners are much more able to tolerate this pain than are players. Some of you here know professional athletes. One of my best friends is a financial advisor with his portfolio consisting of a significant number of pro athletes. There are exceptions of course, but by and large, most of these guys are regular guys that have landed incredibly well paying jobs. Many are ill equipped to handle this giant influx of money. And many set their lives up in a way that they need a consistent (and large) stream of income coming in. When that stream shuts off, there is going to be pain. For some, significant pain.The trouble for us as fans that want a quick resolution is the way that teams pay players. They are not normally receiving checks this time of year. Thus, they are not currently feeling any real pain. Once these players start missing paychecks, you'll see a radically different situation.The other group that IS feeling pain now are the Free Agents. An unrestricted Free Agent that misses out on a big payday right now with a huge bonus up front is feeling the pain right now. So you have that. In the same way, the #1 draft pick that would likely have had a pre draft contract and big bonus starts feeling that pain in April. Although the pain isn't as severe in some ways because it's money he's not tasted yet.So for me, I'm watching the pain. And how it's affecting people. For a good example, look at the "I'll smash ur face in" blow up between Antonio Cromartie and Matt Hasselbeck. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm guessing Cromartie's impatience is primarily fueled by the pain he's feeling as a free agent right now.And that leads me to my second point. As was mentioned on Bill Simmons' podcast recently, I think Twitter saves the league. Meaning I think there is no way the union unity doesn't crumble once you have 50 players tweeting like Cromartie. I don't know how strongly the NFLPA can muzzle their guys but I have to believe they won't be effective in keeping them quiet. We've never had a time in history where players have such an unfiltered public voice. And I think this bites them.I'm hopeful for an earlier resolution, but from what I see, it seems like there isn't enough pain for either side right now for anything meaningful to happen. Hope I'm wrong there.J
I agree that twitter and other social media is going to create the appearance of disunity among players. But at the same time, I think the image of disunity won't have as much of an impact on the actual impasse in negotiations.This isn't going to be a strike, where players who are dissatisfied can cross the picket lines and start getting paychecks again. It's a lockout, and so work will not resume until a new deal is made. And a new deal has to be approved by > 50% of all players in the union. So if a minority of players start complaining long and loud, that may convince some others that rejecting the owners offer isn't worth it. But a majority? That's going to require a lot of pain before that happens. But yes, it's going to get ugly, and the players' whining will only strengthen the owners' resolve. Meaning there will be little to no movement from their position, and making a deal take even longer to be reached.
 
Yes, I definitely see it being a change from business as usual. More so obviously for the dynasty guys than the pure redrafters. A couple of things that I see on this.Not every negotiation is like this but in my opinion, this one getting resolved is all about one thing - Pain. Meaning how painful things become for each side.And "pain" here is most easily defined as lost revenue.It's a generalization, but it's my opinion that the owners are much more able to tolerate this pain than are players. Some of you here know professional athletes. One of my best friends is a financial advisor with his portfolio consisting of a significant number of pro athletes. There are exceptions of course, but by and large, most of these guys are regular guys that have landed incredibly well paying jobs. Many are ill equipped to handle this giant influx of money. And many set their lives up in a way that they need a consistent (and large) stream of income coming in. When that stream shuts off, there is going to be pain. For some, significant pain.The trouble for us as fans that want a quick resolution is the way that teams pay players. They are not normally receiving checks this time of year. Thus, they are not currently feeling any real pain. Once these players start missing paychecks, you'll see a radically different situation.The other group that IS feeling pain now are the Free Agents. An unrestricted Free Agent that misses out on a big payday right now with a huge bonus up front is feeling the pain right now. So you have that. In the same way, the #1 draft pick that would likely have had a pre draft contract and big bonus starts feeling that pain in April. Although the pain isn't as severe in some ways because it's money he's not tasted yet.So for me, I'm watching the pain. And how it's affecting people. For a good example, look at the "I'll smash ur face in" blow up between Antonio Cromartie and Matt Hasselbeck. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm guessing Cromartie's impatience is primarily fueled by the pain he's feeling as a free agent right now.And that leads me to my second point. As was mentioned on Bill Simmons' podcast recently, I think Twitter saves the league. Meaning I think there is no way the union unity doesn't crumble once you have 50 players tweeting like Cromartie. I don't know how strongly the NFLPA can muzzle their guys but I have to believe they won't be effective in keeping them quiet. We've never had a time in history where players have such an unfiltered public voice. And I think this bites them.I'm hopeful for an earlier resolution, but from what I see, it seems like there isn't enough pain for either side right now for anything meaningful to happen. Hope I'm wrong there.J
I agree that twitter and other social media is going to create the appearance of disunity among players. But at the same time, I think the image of disunity won't have as much of an impact on the actual impasse in negotiations.This isn't going to be a strike, where players who are dissatisfied can cross the picket lines and start getting paychecks again. It's a lockout, and so work will not resume until a new deal is made. And a new deal has to be approved by > 50% of all players in the union. So if a minority of players start complaining long and loud, that may convince some others that rejecting the owners offer isn't worth it. But a majority? That's going to require a lot of pain before that happens. But yes, it's going to get ugly, and the players' whining will only strengthen the owners' resolve. Meaning there will be little to no movement from their position, and making a deal take even longer to be reached.
Yes, it's good to remember the differences between a lockout and a strike. When the union fractures, it won't be a "dam bursting" event as it was in 87 when Joe Montana crossed the picket line to go back to work. Once he crossed, it was over. With this, I see things getting closer to the summer and the discord among players that becomes public via them not being able to shut up on Twitter and other outlets start to get more and more obvious until the pressure is enough to get something done.J
 
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If twitter saves the NFL in 2011 I might sit up and take notice. I hope it might, but I'm an old fart, so what do I know.

 
I agree the players will crumble. Honestly, what's their bargaining chip? And do we think half of them have saved enough money to withstand a lockout.

 
- Some expense/revenue carve outs for the owners that won't be included in total revenue/costs
These PSLs were borderline clever by the owners and NFLN was an excellent move by the league. However, there's a ton of money there. Tebow's "never seen anything like it" jersey sales surely muddied the waters for sales projections amidst negotiations. Too many powerful voice/influential owners bought new stadiums. Gene passing away is an enormous issue due to his familiarity dealing with the league. Each side wants too much IMO and does not seem reasonable.I think we all know what the solution is. The fan's going to pay. We will make up the difference here to satisfy both sides. Everything will be more expensive and geesh they might even think of a new way to charge us like making the games in 3D and charging us 20 bucks for glasses we have to wear. The fans are sooo going to take the hit here. And we're too addicted to move onto another sport or another league so we'll just be sheep led along here.
 
Today's news from the home front:

1) today's negotiating session is cancelled, as is

2) next week's NFL Owners meeting in Philly.

Not encouraging signs. The 18 game schedule, the rookie wage scale....those appear to "not be deal breakers." The Owner's are the forcing the issue as to how to "divy up an additional $billion$ in revenues."

Tough stuff, there. How'd you like to be negotiating that issue....."an extra $billion."

There doesn't appear to be a real good shot at getting this done by March 4th when the CBA expires.

 
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“There has not been enough progress…status quo is not acceptable”

Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke with Mike Florio for his Pro Football Talk Live webcast today on NBCSports.com.

Commissioner Goodell discussed a range of topics, but the focus was on negotiations for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The current CBA runs through March 3.

“I’m not satisfied with the current pace,” he said. “There has not been enough progress in collective bargaining over the last three or four weeks that there should be. There hasn’t been a sense of urgency from the union side. We would like to see those negotiations continue very aggressively because we have a very short period of time to get this done. We believe this deal should be done by the March period. If it’s not done by March, it is going to be harder to reach an agreement and it is going to be less attractive for the players, the clubs and the fans. This is something that needs to get done quickly. It needs urgency and it needs a very strong commitment to making progress and not just meeting but making progress.”

Goodell raised the NFLPA’s “internal deadline” that was included in a December 1 letter from NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith to players, stating that the union’s deadline to agree to a new CBA had passed. Union president Kevin Mawae made similar comments on a media conference call last week.

“It is not just a matter of meeting or saying that you’re meeting,” Commissioner Goodell said. “It is about having a serious commitment to reaching an agreement. There was a lot of discussion a few weeks ago about an internal deadline that the NFLPA had that has since passed. I’m not sure what that means. There is a lot of discussion about what is going to happen in March with respect to either a de-certification or a lockout by the owners.

“This is going to have to be a negotiated settlement,” the commissioner continued. “That’s what it takes. It takes a commitment to negotiating an agreement that works for the players, works for the clubs and most importantly works to keep our great game going for our fans. There is a deal to be done here. We’ve got to get it done.”

Commissioner Goodell also addressed what the NFL clubs are looking for a new labor agreement.

“Fairness first off. The CBA is about the future of our game and making sure we do what is necessary to improve the quality of the game,” Goodell said. “That means addressing the player safety issues. That means addressing retired players and the way we pay our rookies, the quality of our preseason and making sure that the business model works so that the future for players, teams and everyone can continue to benefit by building and growing what has become a tremendous success.”

Florio asked about the potential of a lockout and its impact.

“I would tell you that I think we need to do everything we can to reasonably avoid a lockout,” Commissioner Goodell said. “It is not good for the fans and for the game itself. I don’t believe it is good for the players or the clubs at the end of the day. I will do everything I can and work night and day trying to avoid that.”

Commissioner Goodell concluded by stating that the status quo is not acceptable.

“There has to be a fair system in place that takes our game forward and goes into the future,” he said. “The status quo of what we have right now is not acceptable. We have to fix the system and get it done properly so that it is fair for the players and the clubs and long term will be good for the game. There are a number of things that have to be addressed with the current system. We’ve talked about the rookie compensation system. We’ve talked about the significant requirement that needs to be made in investing in stadiums and the cost of operating these stadiums. We’ve talked about retired players. We’ve talked about the forfeiture issue, which needs to be addressed in a responsible fashion. There are a number of issues that are facing our game that we have to address going forward. I would also put into that our drug program. As someone who thinks he is protecting the integrity of the game – that’s one of my major priorities – we have to make sure that we have the best possible drug program in place. That is something we have to improve in the context of our collective bargaining agreement.”

Following is a complete transcript of the Commissioner’s interview with Florio:

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0Current and former players: Commissioner Goodell works “to make the NFL a better place”… “He cares about players around the league”

In a front-page profile of Commissioner Roger Goodell, USA Today’s Jon Saraceno writes that “Goodell has embraced his job with a forceful yet collaborative management style, aimed at resolving conflicts and tackling controversial issues head-on.”

“Roger tries to make the National Football League a better place,” said retired player John Wooten, chairman of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, which promotes diversity in NFL executive and coaching positions. “He also wants the league to be what it should be in terms of character.”

Current players also spoke of the Commissioner as the steward of the game.

“He challenged me to be the best citizen that I can be,” said Philadelphia quarterback Michael Vick. “I consider him to be a role model. He cares not only about me but about players around the league. It’s nothing (phony). He is real and genuine.”

Added New York Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora, who accompanied Goodell on a USO tour of Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008, “He is cool, funny and down to earth. He is not what most people would expect. And he is a good man.”

Player health and safety, Saraceno points out, has been a focus. “Goodell, the architect of the NFL’s controversial crackdown on gratuitous on-field violence, hasn’t been intimidated by change, he has embraced it,” he writes.

“I think it has had an impact on the way everyone is playing the game,” Commissioner Goodell said of the stricter enforcement against illegal hits. “(Players) are more conscious of making sure they don’t lead with their head and don’t hit in the head area. That is a good thing for the game. The No. 1 priority for us is player safety.”

Saraceno also discusses the labor negotiations, writing, “Goodell will try to facilitate a peaceful resolution to a labor dispute that threatens the NFL, a $9 billion-a-year business and the nation’s most popular professional league.”

“I have been very clear from the standpoint that we are not where we need to be,” the Commissioner said. “We need to get an agreement. We are not as close as I would like to be. We have a lot more work to be done. I have said it publicly and I will say it again: If everyone gives a little, everyone will get a lot, especially our fans. That is something we have to do.”

 
Any chance the 18 game talk is just a bluff from the owners? The players give in the $1 billion in revenue and the owners keep the 16 game schedule. Seems like a good way to make the loss of $1 billion sound like a win for the players. Or do we think the owners plan to hold out for both?

 
Any chance the 18 game talk is just a bluff from the owners? The players give in the $1 billion in revenue and the owners keep the 16 game schedule. Seems like a good way to make the loss of $1 billion sound like a win for the players. Or do we think the owners plan to hold out for both?
I don't think so. I think the 18 game schedule is being used by the owners as a way to expand revenue to the extent that they can decrease the players' take as a % of overall revenue without reducing the gross dollar amount that the players' receive. The players are arguing that the NFL wants them to work more for less money. I think the owners are trying to spin this as "work more for the same money, or work the same for less money."
 
Any chance the 18 game talk is just a bluff from the owners? The players give in the $1 billion in revenue and the owners keep the 16 game schedule. Seems like a good way to make the loss of $1 billion sound like a win for the players. Or do we think the owners plan to hold out for both?
I don't think so. I think the 18 game schedule is being used by the owners as a way to expand revenue to the extent that they can decrease the players' take as a % of overall revenue without reducing the gross dollar amount that the players' receive. The players are arguing that the NFL wants them to work more for less money. I think the owners are trying to spin this as "work more for the same money, or work the same for less money."
Yeah, just amazing how the owners have all the power here. It makes you wonder how all the other major professional sports got such good deals.
 
Any chance the 18 game talk is just a bluff from the owners? The players give in the $1 billion in revenue and the owners keep the 16 game schedule. Seems like a good way to make the loss of $1 billion sound like a win for the players. Or do we think the owners plan to hold out for both?
I don't think so. I think the 18 game schedule is being used by the owners as a way to expand revenue to the extent that they can decrease the players' take as a % of overall revenue without reducing the gross dollar amount that the players' receive. The players are arguing that the NFL wants them to work more for less money. I think the owners are trying to spin this as "work more for the same money, or work the same for less money."
Yeah, just amazing how the owners have all the power here. It makes you wonder how all the other major professional sports got such good deals.
They didn't. The NFL players got the best deal out of all the major sports. It doesn't seem that way because there are so many football players on team rosters so that the money gets divided up a lot. But the NFL players share a heck of a lot more money than any of the other sports. It's just that in basketball, there are so many fewer players overall that each player gets more in gross money.Also, both the NBA and Major League Baseball also have their collective bargaining agreements expiring this year. The NFL's is the most public because it's hitting first in the calendar. But this could literally be the year of no sports.
 
A couple of things that I see on this.Not every negotiation is like this but in my opinion, this one getting resolved is all about one thing - Pain. Meaning how painful things become for each side.And "pain" here is most easily defined as lost revenue.It's a generalization, but it's my opinion that the owners are much more able to tolerate this pain than are players. Some of you here know professional athletes. One of my best friends is a financial advisor with his portfolio consisting of a significant number of pro athletes. There are exceptions of course, but by and large, most of these guys are regular guys that have landed incredibly well paying jobs. Many are ill equipped to handle this giant influx of money. And many set their lives up in a way that they need a consistent (and large) stream of income coming in. When that stream shuts off, there is going to be pain. For some, significant pain.The trouble for us as fans that want a quick resolution is the way that teams pay players. They are not normally receiving checks this time of year. Thus, they are not currently feeling any real pain. Once these players start missing paychecks, you'll see a radically different situation.The other group that IS feeling pain now are the Free Agents. An unrestricted Free Agent that misses out on a big payday right now with a huge bonus up front is feeling the pain right now. So you have that. In the same way, the #1 draft pick that would likely have had a pre draft contract and big bonus starts feeling that pain in April. Although the pain isn't as severe in some ways because it's money he's not tasted yet.So for me, I'm watching the pain. And how it's affecting people. For a good example, look at the "I'll smash ur face in" blow up between Antonio Cromartie and Matt Hasselbeck. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm guessing Cromartie's impatience is primarily fueled by the pain he's feeling as a free agent right now.And that leads me to my second point. As was mentioned on Bill Simmons' podcast recently, I think Twitter saves the league. Meaning I think there is no way the union unity doesn't crumble once you have 50 players tweeting like Cromartie. I don't know how strongly the NFLPA can muzzle their guys but I have to believe they won't be effective in keeping them quiet. We've never had a time in history where players have such an unfiltered public voice. And I think this bites them.I'm hopeful for an earlier resolution, but from what I see, it seems like there isn't enough pain for either side right now for anything meaningful to happen. Hope I'm wrong there.J
This is absolutely spot-on. I think this absolutely gets resolved, it will be the players that ultimately cave, and we 100% will have football for an entire 2011 season.We're early in the offseason here, and everyone's minding their best behavior. But, as we get into April and May...these guys have got nothing to do but to tweet about how bored they are or how this whole process is b.s. Come June, many will will have debtors coming to collect. Tweets will be everywhere with these bored, broke football players saying stupid things that only bored, broke football players could say. And, then more will come in to say the same thing, and then it grows and grows to the point that you really have no unity, anymore, and the players just want to get their paychecks back. Deal gets signed by July, training camps, trades, everything accelerated...and like that...we have 2011 season.
 
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports

Feb 13, 11:50 am EST

Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson mocked quarterbacks Peyton Manning(notes) and Drew Brees(notes) during a Feb. 5 negotiating session with the NFL Players Association, says three league sources, a sign of disrespect that the union hopes solidifies its members in the pending labor battle with the NFL.

Panthers owner Jerry Richardson.

“[Richardson] was extremely condescending to them, especially toward Peyton,” a source said. “[Richardson] was the only person on either side who was contentious. Everybody else was respectful. They might have said, ‘I disagree with your point,’ but at least they were respectful. [Richardson] was not.”

Apparently, Richardson was particularly sarcastic when Manning started to talk about players’ safety. At one point, Richardson evidently said, “What do you know about player safety?”

Richardson was unavailable for comment. A league source denied that there was any contentious discussion between the team owner and anyone from the union’s side.

“Mr. Richardson is a former player and made clear his respect and affection for the players during the meeting,” the source said.

While negotiations between the NFL and the NFLPA have historically been marked by contentious moments, Richardson’s outburst may be especially telling for the players.

“If he’s willing to talk to [Manning] and [brees] that way, what do you think it says about what he and the other owners think about the rest of the players?” the source said, rhetorically. “Now, it really only matters if [Richardson] is representing the opinion of 23 or even eight other owners, but it has to make you wonder.”

Richardson, who is the only former NFL player to own a team, has been considered one of the staunchest proponents of hard-line tactics in the current negotiations. Last March, Richardson addressed the rest of the NFL owners at the league’s annual spring meeting with a fiery speech. Richardson said the owners had to “take back our league” during the negotiations with players.

“We signed a [expletive] deal last time and we’re going to stick together and take back our league and [expletive] do something about it,” Richardson said, as reported by Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports.

That has been interpreted as a clear indication that Richardson and some other owners want to break the NFLPA and get players to give greater concessions. The owners are currently holding firm on a request to have an additional $1 billion in expenses be removed from the pool of shared revenue.

Currently, the NFL grosses approximately $9 billion annually. Of that, $1 billion is given to the owners off the top for expenses. After that, the remaining $8 billion is split with 60 percent ($4.8 billion) going to the players and 40 percent (another $3.2 billion for a total of $4.2 billion) going to owners.

Under the owners’ proposal, the first $2 billion would go to them. The owners have tried to sell that idea by saying the money would go toward reinvestment in the game to help grow the overall amount of money that is shared.

The players are currently unwilling to accept the owners’ proposal and are facing the likelihood of having the owners lock out the players after the March 3 deadline. In response, the union would likely decertify, leaving it vulnerable.

In that regard, Richardson’s comments to Manning could backfire on the owners. In 1987, for instance, the NFL was able to split the union in large part by creating what was known as the Quarterback Club, a marketing arm that led several top quarterbacks to stop supporting the union. In the case of Manning, who is not a player representative or member of the NFLPA’s executive board, his opinion carries great weight throughout the NFL. Last August, Manning said he would be completely supportive of the union’s cause at the proper time, but has largely stayed in the background.

Having him fully behind the union could be important to maintaining unity.

 
Topic of Player's meeting on Monday, 2/13:

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Combine boycott talk on table Feb 13, 2011 Solution to end owner, union stalemate Feb 10, 2011:

While the idea of boycotting the NFL scouting combine later this month remains a long shot, at best, four sources said over the weekend that momentum for some type of protest is growing and is expected to be a point of discussion Monday during a conference call between NFL Players Association officials and agents.

The idea of a boycott or similar action is in response to NFL’s hard-line offers regarding the slotting of rookie contracts, according to the sources.

While it’s widely believed that a fix is necessary for the explosion in guaranteed money for top draft picks, the union and agents are increasingly frustrated by the NFL’s hard-line approach.

 
Isn't Richardson one of the cheapest owners in the NFL? Sounds like he wants to get every possible nickel he can yet isn't all that concerned about putting a good product on the field for his own team. And so he's going to need to take that money from the players, because Jerrah Jones doesn't want to share with him anymore.

Also, how about the "Union" hoping the disrespectful talk sparks the players to get behind them? They just sound weak to me. They are outmatched by the league owners who have much less chance of blinking in this lockout than the players do. The money and insurance stops and there will be players caving. I don't see the union staying unified at all through this thing. The owners still get paid in 2011 whether there's football or not thanks to that horrible contract that DirectTV made with the NFL.

 
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Good interview with Hunter Hillenmeyer from the Mully & Hanley show in Chicago today. Article from NFP.

Chicago Bears linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer referred to a potential lockout for players on March 4 as “impending,” but he hasn’t abandoned all hope that a deal gets done before then.Hillenmeyer and his wife had their first child five weeks ago and he pointed out that medical insurance ceases in less than three weeks for players if a new CBA isn’t hammered out. That’s a very real thing for all players.Hillenmeyer, who is an alternate player rep for the Bears, discussed a variety of the issues in play right now this morning on The Mully & Hanley Show on the Score, WSCR-670 AM in Chicago. Here is a sampling:So you’re calling a lockout “impending?”HH: I guess that is the mind-set players have to have. We need to be prepared for something like that because the problem comes that if people assume it’s going to get worked out then they’re not prepared for something prolonged where things will get a little tight for some guys.How will players remain unified when the checks aren’t coming in?Nobody knows exactly how that would play out. It’s not a strike where they can then go and negotiate with specific players and say, ‘Listen, we know you need to get paid, why don’t you come play for this.’ It’s a lockout. It’s not like they would be able to divide and conquer and go after certain players to get them to bail on the strike. Because that wouldn’t be what is going on. Looking at our league and the history of how labor disputes have gone, there’s not really a precedent to go by.Does it look like the owners are following a checklist of things to accomplish on their way to a lockout?HH: If you look at the trajectory of what’s happened vs. what happened in the NHL, because I think the key from the owners’ perspective would be to negotiate to impasse and that’s actually a legal term when it comes down to negotiations. I’ve been in a negotiating session and I have a pretty good pulse on how things go and there’s not a lot of rational negotiating going on. They proposed the very first thing – 18 percent pay cuts – without much justification and we’ve had five, six, seven different versions of a response since then and there hasn’t been what I would call any substantive coming off of that very first anchor by them yet. And they know that’s not going to get a deal done. They know there is no chance that offer is going to work and so for me as a player hoping that cooler heads prevail and there is going to be football, it is kind of a frustrating exercise.Can NFL owners really cry poor?HH: If people push them on it, they don’t cry poor. They cry, ‘We’re not making enough.’ They try to elude to it and try to imply that is the case but you can’t find that quote anywhere.Where do you stand on an 18-game schedule?HH: You hear so much about player safety as it pertains to concussions and as it pertains to any injury and you see things like the Packers sort of squeaking into the playoffs with all of these injuries and countless people on injured reserve and it really does make the issue hit home. The NFL got a positive response on pushing the envelope for player safety and then turning around and saying, ‘Oh wait, we want to add a couple games to your season.’ There is just a disconnect. There is some sincerity lacking somewhere. As a player you wonder what is going on in their head if they claim that player safety is such a priority yet they are doing everything they can to eek a few more dollars out of us.Is it important for players that the public view owners as the bad guys in this situation?HH: Honestly, I want to be very clear, I don’t expect fans to care about this. I know they care because they want the season to play out like it always does, but I don’t think that fans are going to take sides. I am a football fan on top of playing and I want there to be football too. That sentiment is the prevailing one among players. We can fight this war of words in the media and sort of jostle in the court of public opinion, but fans just want there to be football and I totally understand that and I don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for me. The average working man like out there doesn’t get paid nearly what an average football player does. I don’t expect them to feel sorry for us. It is a disconnected from reality situation with the dollar signs that both sides of the situation are making. I just want it to get done. I want it to be done in a fair way. It’s the biggest pie in professional sports. Surely we can find a way to divide it up and make sure everybody is getting a number and whatever else comes with that, health benefits, that they feel comfortable with.Is there any chance a deal gets done before March 4:HH: I don’t want to say there is no chance but I certainly think the setting of our negotiations, where there are a half-dozen or so lawyers on each side, owners, players, outside legal counsel, the key people in (Jeff) Pash and (Jeffrey) Kessler, key people from our side, to me that is not going to be the setting where a deal gets done. To me, the way it has to happen, and it’s started happening, that De and Roger and I don’t know who else is involved in that, Jerry (Richardson), and a couple people on our side, four or five people get into a room and hammer out ‘This is the way it needs to work out. This is our best case for how things are going to work out.’ And then those two guys go in their separate directions and sell it. De (Smith) to the players and Roger (Goodell) to the owners because there are just too many factors. There is health care, there is revenue sharing, there is big market vs. small market teams, veterans vs. rookies, the size of the pie of itself. There are just too many inter-related factors to sit in a room with 20 people and hammer out every little detail to a point where everyone will say, ‘OK, I am comfortable with that.’ There needs to be a best case, here’s what we can do quick and dirty and then you hammer out the final details from there and we haven’t gotten to that point yet.
 
Player unity does not matter. They can all tweet whatever they want but as individuals all over the country they can't do anything. It would take the players actually showing unity and coming together to vote out the current NFLPA leadership to change things. That will certainly not happen if there's no season occurring to bring the players together.

 
Player unity does not matter. They can all tweet whatever they want but as individuals all over the country they can't do anything. It would take the players actually showing unity and coming together to vote out the current NFLPA leadership to change things. That will certainly not happen if there's no season occurring to bring the players together.
I have been reading how NFLPA leadership has been the problem for since 1987. Nonsense. The players are the problem. They will always cave.
 
The mathematical combinations become a factor as it's hard enough to set it up now with one bye week. The MOCKS R US early mocks/survivor drafts would become a thing of the past of there were two bye weeks.
WRONG again. If the survivor leagues can survive you, they'll survive an add'l bye week.
 
Player unity does not matter. They can all tweet whatever they want but as individuals all over the country they can't do anything. It would take the players actually showing unity and coming together to vote out the current NFLPA leadership to change things. That will certainly not happen if there's no season occurring to bring the players together.
I have been reading how NFLPA leadership has been the problem for since 1987. Nonsense. The players are the problem. They will always cave.
How do they exert their influence then?Let's say we end up having up to 50 players tweeting all of their problems with this. I can see how this might make the NFL take a harder line in their side, but how does this change what NFLPA leadership is going to do? What tangible effect do those tweets have? I don't see any unless those players can actually do something. It's not like they can cross a picket line here.
 
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NFL says players' union is 'surface bargaining' so it can file suit

The NFL confirmed that it filed an unfair labor practice charge with the National Labor Relations Board against the NFL Players Association on Monday.

The charge states that the players' union has failed to bargain in good faith as a result of its strategy to "disclaim interest" (or "decertify") and file antitrust litigation against the NFL following expiration of the collective bargaining agreement March 3.

The NLRB is an independent federal agency, based in Washington D.C., that enforces the nation's labor laws and referees labor-management disputes.

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The league made the filing as a proactive measure to protect against possible decertification by the players' union.

The filing itself is a public document, in which the NFL claims the NFLPA has engaged in "surface bargaining" and tactics designed to avoid reaching an agreement before the CBA expires so the union can file antitrust litigation against the league.

NFLPA officials met with every team during the course of the season to vote on possible decertification in the event of a lockout or labor impasse, and the measure passed.

The NFLPA has rejected the claim against it and once again pointed out that league owners opted out of the current CBA. The union has previously said it expects the owners to lock out players.

The league's filing Monday stated that measures taken by the union, coupled with what would be widely expected to follow decertification -- an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL by an individual player or groups of players -- aren't aimed at reaching a new agreement.

The filing referred to this strategy as "a ploy and an unlawful subversion of the collective bargaining process, there being no evidence whatsoever of any (let alone widespread) disaffection with the union by its members. It is both the reason for and proof of the NFLPA's failure to approach these negotiations with a sincere desire to reach a new agreement at the bargaining table as opposed to the courthouse.

"The NFLPA's statements and conduct over the course of the last 20 months plainly establish that it does not intend to engage in good faith collective bargaining with the NFL after the CBA expires or otherwise meet its obligations under Section 8(d) of the Act, and that it instead will pursue its goals on behalf of the players by pretending to disclaim interest as their Section 9(a) representative and then sue the NFL under the antitrust laws. The union's strategy amounts to an unlawful anticipatory refusal to bargain."

The NFLPA decertified in 1989, then returned as a union in 1993, when a contract that provided for free agency was reached with the league. That landmark CBA was renewed or restructured several times since 1993, including in 2006. The owners opted out of that most recent deal in 2008.

The league's complaint refers to the NFLPA's past use of decertification and the fact that the union later reformed. To that end, the complaint states: "The NFLPA's threat to use a sham disclaimer of interest after expiration of the CBA is the same tactic that it employed in 1989 when its representatives falsely swore that its disclaimer was 'permanent.'

"The union's purpose in doing so is to evade its collective bargaining obligations under the National Labor Relations Act, to seek to use antitrust litigation to enjoin a lawful lockout, and once again attempt to achieve its bargaining objectives under the coercive guise of an antitrust settlement. This plan by the union has produced 20 months of surface bargaining as the union has run out the clock in order to disclaim interest after expiration of the CBA."

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Under the heading "Basis of the Charge," the NFL said in the filing that during current negotiations, the union delayed the scheduling of bargaining sessions, failed to "respond in a timely and/or meaningful manner" to owners' contract proposals and insisted on "disclosure of financial data to which the NFLPA has no legal right and then suspending negotiations unless and until such data is produced."

The NFLPA issued the following statement after the NFL filed its claim: "The players didn't walk out and the players can't lock out. Players want a fair, new and long-term deal. We have offered proposals and solutions on every issue the owners have raised. This claim has absolutely no merit."

The NFL hasn't missed games because of labor strife since 1987, when the players went on strike and the owners continued the season with replacement players.

The biggest issue separating the sides now is how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues; under the old deal, the owners receive $1 billion off the top, and they want to increase that to $2 billion before players are given their share.

Among the other significant points in negotiations: the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games, a rookie wage scale and benefits for retired players.

The NFL and union went more than two months without holding any formal bargaining sessions, until a meeting Feb. 5, the day before the Super Bowl. The sides met again once last week but called off a second meeting that had been scheduled for the following day.

 
This is an interesting preemptive move by ownership. Optically, it would see the owners are the ones impeding progress. They're the ones threatening a lockout (versus the NFLPA threatening a strike), and they are the ones who walked out of the bargaining session and canceled subsequent sessions as well as a planned owners meeting. Yet, looking deeper we see that all 32 teams already approved a vote for decertification if it comes to that, and ownership knows from prior labor battles that decertification is really the only mechanism that "worked" for the players in the past. But some legal pundits have suggested that a decertification claim wouldn't be as likely to succeed this time, because of the precedent set by the players decertifying, suing, getting what they wanted, and THEN becoming a union again. We'll see, but no matter what this can't be characterized as good news for those hoping for an 11th hour settlement.

 
This is an interesting preemptive move by ownership. Optically, it would see the owners are the ones impeding progress. They're the ones threatening a lockout (versus the NFLPA threatening a strike), and they are the ones who walked out of the bargaining session and canceled subsequent sessions as well as a planned owners meeting. Yet, looking deeper we see that all 32 teams already approved a vote for decertification if it comes to that, and ownership knows from prior labor battles that decertification is really the only mechanism that "worked" for the players in the past. But some legal pundits have suggested that a decertification claim wouldn't be as likely to succeed this time, because of the precedent set by the players decertifying, suing, getting what they wanted, and THEN becoming a union again. We'll see, but no matter what this can't be characterized as good news for those hoping for an 11th hour settlement.
Not good news for a settlement, but that didn't look promising before this. I hope it's a sign that the union will really attempt decertification. That's probably our best chance of having a full season.
 
NFL says players' union is 'surface bargaining' so it can file suit

The NFL confirmed that it filed an unfair labor practice charge with the National Labor Relations Board against the NFL Players Association on Monday.

The charge states that the players' union has failed to bargain in good faith as a result of its strategy to "disclaim interest" (or "decertify") and file antitrust litigation against the NFL following expiration of the collective bargaining agreement March 3.

The NLRB is an independent federal agency, based in Washington D.C., that enforces the nation's labor laws and referees labor-management disputes.
I don't pretend to understand everything going on in this thing but they were talking about the NLRB on Mike & Mike this morning. Apparently the NLRB was involved in the MLB strike when owners were trying to decertify the player's union. So the NFL owners are digging in their heals with this move and getting more lawyers involved. And the worst kind of lawyers.....the Washington D.C. flavor.

Things are not looking good for 2011 imho.

 
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So the NFL owners are digging in their heals with this move and getting more lawyers involved. And the worst kind of lawyers.....the Washington D.C. flavor.
Yeah, those D.C. lawyers are the worst. :shiver:For those of you thinking the owners are taking a hard line, this latest move shows they are taking the hardest line possible. This was a gigantic F YOU to the players. A declaration that the days of owners and players being a partnership are over and done with, and the owners aren't going to move one inch off their offer.
 
Noticed a few stories on PFT where fans could potentially take action.

Someone with better knowledge of the situation please explain to me why NFL cities with stadiums built thanks to millions of taxpayer dollars can't attempt to press owners toward a deal being made instead of a lockout, with the potential of a lawsuit on the horizon recouping millions lost by the city due to a lack of football games.

Any potential there?

 

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