NFL To Make 'Coaches Film' Available To Fans (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/22-replays-seem-great-really-seeing-160237483--nfl.html

 

[massraider]

No, he showed that he used to be an ignorant fool like the rest of us mortals, but now is one of the elite thanks to his intimate relationships with Art Modell, Bill Walsh, and I'm sure countless others. Look, I get it. He's been around pro football for much of his life and the trophy is even named after him. I have no doubt he's forgotten more about football than I've ever know. He still comes across as a tool in that article.

Lombardi is a tool. And he's correct. Greg Cosell is saying the same thing. As is Matt Bowen. They can't all be patronizing, elitist DBags, can they?

The All-22 stuff is great to have available, but I won't be using it beyond watching some Raider games that way. I don't think it'll do much good for me fantasy-wise. And beyond my favorite team, and making money in fantasy, I am not too interested in coaches tape. I've seen enough to know that half the time, I can't even figure out which player is which. I'll probably just use resources, like FBG and PFF, that I expect to mine the the data.

If I had my way, I'd watch complete games from the SkyCam angle. Get to see what the QB sees, get to see running lanes open up, etc.

 

[Matt Bitonti]

the critiques of all-22 is exactly why I don't trust "math" sites like PFF or FO. They don't have all the information. Especially with trench players.

For example let's take D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who gave up 9 sacks last year. That's a terrible number and he must be a terrible player (according to the PFF numbers). Players who gave up less sacks for example Andrew Whitworth must be much much better. But Brick started for the AFC in the Pro Bowl, which is voted on 1/3 players, 1/3 coaches and 1/3 fans. Who is right?

The problem with judging an offensive lineman based on sack "stats" is we don't know what the play was, the protection or any context, (and the film won't tell us).

Maybe Brick blocked his man for 5 seconds before the sack. Maybe Mark Sanchez made 1 read, panicked, broke the pocket, and was sacked trying to scramble. Maybe it was a busted play and Mark missed the handoff and was "sacked" trying to make something happen. Maybe the line call was to slide everyone to the right with an overload blitz coming and Brick's man comes free (the QB is supposed to know that the 5 blockers are outnumbered with 6 or 7 rushers and get rid of the ball within 1 or 2 seconds). There's just so many variables and it's easy to assign blame but it's hard to understand exactly what's going on. It also works the other way, when mediocre offensive linemen like the Giants group looks better because of a quick decision made by a franchise QB. Would Eli Manning really rather have David Diehl at Left tackle than Brick? I don't think so, The only way to know is to ask him with a pro bowl ballot.

in situations like this I will believe the players that have to face him and the coaches who have to coach against him, way more than an amateur film scientist breaking down the all-22. People bash the Pro Bowl for being a popularity contest (and there is some truth to that) but I have more faith in that flawed honor than I do the film breakdowns on football math sites.

As a general statement Football is more of an art than a science. It's not like baseball with 162 games and a huge sample size. I know this is a fantasy football site and we are all supposed to be about numbers but with 16 games, let's say 1000 snaps total over the course of the year, is that really enough to make a statistical conclusion? In some categories (rB YPC for example) its more straight forward but it other categories like sack stats it's a crapshoot.

 

[netnalp]

the critiques of all-22 is exactly why I don't trust "math" sites like PFF or FO. They don't have all the information. Especially with trench players. For example let's take D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who gave up 9 sacks last year. That's a terrible number and he must be a terrible player (according to the PFF numbers). Players who gave up less sacks for example Andrew Whitworth must be much much better. But Brick started for the AFC in the Pro Bowl, which is voted on 1/3 players, 1/3 coaches and 1/3 fans. Who is right? The problem with judging an offensive lineman based on sack "stats" is we don't know what the play was, the protection or any context, (and the film won't tell us). Maybe Brick blocked his man for 5 seconds before the sack. Maybe Mark Sanchez made 1 read, panicked, broke the pocket, and was sacked trying to scramble. Maybe it was a busted play and Mark missed the handoff and was "sacked" trying to make something happen. Maybe the line call was to slide everyone to the right with an overload blitz coming and Brick's man comes free (the QB is supposed to know that the 5 blockers are outnumbered with 6 or 7 rushers and get rid of the ball within 1 or 2 seconds). There's just so many variables and it's easy to assign blame but it's hard to understand exactly what's going on. It also works the other way, when mediocre offensive linemen like the Giants group looks better because of a quick decision made by a franchise QB. Would Eli Manning really rather have David Diehl at Left tackle than Brick? I don't think so, The only way to know is to ask him with a pro bowl ballot. in situations like this I will believe the players that have to face him and the coaches who have to coach against him, way more than an amateur film scientist breaking down the all-22. People bash the Pro Bowl for being a popularity contest (and there is some truth to that) but I have more faith in that flawed honor than I do the film breakdowns on football math sites. As a general statement Football is more of an art than a science. It's not like baseball with 162 games and a huge sample size. I know this is a fantasy football site and we are all supposed to be about numbers but with 16 games, let's say 1000 snaps total over the course of the year, is that really enough to make a statistical conclusion? In some categories (rB YPC for example) its more straight forward but it other categories like sack stats it's a crapshoot.

I don't think "He went to the Pro Bowl" is a valid argument when it comes to offensive lineman. In 2010 Shaun Ohara went to the Pro Bowl when he only played 6 games. Giants fans know that Rich Seubert was the offensive line MVP. Ohara even offered to pay for Seubert and his family to take a vacation to Hawaii. Maybe that was a one time hiccup but it's pretty ridiculous that a guy that played 6 games goes to the Pro Bowl. He only got in on name recognition.As for the stat sites. I take their rankings with a grain of salt. Offensive line seems to be one of the harder to evaluate. A sack may get put on Brick, but that could be because he was trying to compensate for the guy next to him blocking the wrong guy.

 

[Matt Bitonti]

I don't think "He went to the Pro Bowl" is a valid argument when it comes to offensive lineman. In 2010 Shaun Ohara went to the Pro Bowl when he only played 6 games. Giants fans know that Rich Seubert was the offensive line MVP. Ohara even offered to pay for Seubert and his family to take a vacation to Hawaii. Maybe that was a one time hiccup but it's pretty ridiculous that a guy that played 6 games goes to the Pro Bowl. He only got in on name recognition.As for the stat sites. I take their rankings with a grain of salt. Offensive line seems to be one of the harder to evaluate. A sack may get put on Brick, but that could be because he was trying to compensate for the guy next to him blocking the wrong guy.

I agree it's flawed but the pro bowl honors are better than the PFF numbers. Reputation can be wrong and players can be picked for political reasons, but 9 times out of 10 it's right. It's completely hypothetical but if we took all best the players who didn't make the pro bowl, made a roster of out them, and had them face either NFC or AFC pro bowl, the pro bowl rosters would win, easily.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't think "He went to the Pro Bowl" is a valid argument when it comes to offensive lineman. In 2010 Shaun Ohara went to the Pro Bowl when he only played 6 games. Giants fans know that Rich Seubert was the offensive line MVP. Ohara even offered to pay for Seubert and his family to take a vacation to Hawaii. Maybe that was a one time hiccup but it's pretty ridiculous that a guy that played 6 games goes to the Pro Bowl. He only got in on name recognition.As for the stat sites. I take their rankings with a grain of salt. Offensive line seems to be one of the harder to evaluate. A sack may get put on Brick, but that could be because he was trying to compensate for the guy next to him blocking the wrong guy.

I agree it's flawed but the pro bowl honors are better than the PFF numbers. Reputation can be wrong and players can be picked for political reasons, but 9 times out of 10 it's right. It's completely hypothetical but if we took all best the players who didn't make the pro bowl, made a roster of out them, and had them face either NFC or AFC pro bowl, the pro bowl rosters would win, easily.

You're talking as if the Pro Bowl is a "game" where anything of value can be judged. In fact, you're talking as if its actually an NFL football game. Its not.

 

[hotboyz]

Im a Huge x's and O's fan I absolutely love this! For years I wished they would show the game from the end zone angle at least if you kno coverages this is awesome to watch really shows how good some schemes and QB's are

 

[Faust]

NFL offering Game Rewind telestrator function

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

It wasn't so long ago that we expressed our fanboy excitement about the news that Coaches Film would be available to fans for the first time via NFL Game Rewind. On Monday, the NFL unveiled another nugget.

Game Rewind will enable fans (and writers) to use a "telestrator" function. You can get your Madden on while drawing over a still frame and saving it to send to your buddies. (Or your enemies.) This should be a cool function among friends who want to share commentary and a tool for the media to explain to their readers how a play worked.

You almost need to see the feature to believe that it's available to anyone, anywhere. We've come a long way with online access to football footage in a short amount of time.

The other big takeaways from the session:

1. Coaches Film will be available to users on the Wednesday following games. The regular broadcast and condensed version of the games will be ready at midnight after Sunday's action.

2. Game Rewind will be available on tablets, including the iPad. This is the biggest news to me. It also will be on some (but not all) Android tablets. The NFL is confident the large majority of tablet owners will be able to get the product.

3. You can purchase Game Rewind now, and it will be ready for use on tablets at some point before the regular season starts. The league will follow up with an exact date.

It's all good news for football junkies. It's also cool for my wife because I no longer will hog the Tivo by taping every game imaginable for later use.

 

[Faust]

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

2. The dawn of coaches tape in fans' hands. I was in the NFL offices Friday, watching a demonstration of the new coaches' tape being made available to fans this fall. (The package of NFL Game Rewind plus coaches' tape will cost $69.99 this year for regular season and playoff games combined, the same price the setup cost last year without the coaches' tape. You can get it here.) And this thought occurred to me: Suppose you're a coach at Moeller High in Cincinnati, and you have a good quarterback and two or three good receivers, and you love the Saints' offense. You know what you can do with this system? You can take individual Saints plays on the All-22 wide-angle view, freeze them, telestrate lines on them, and e-mail them to your quarterback and receivers and say, "Fellas, this is the play we'll be installing in practice tomorrow. Study it.''

For $70, coaches nationwide can get the tape they're used to watching of every NFL play. There might be a little cottage industry the league never thought of, selling tape to coaches from Pop Warner to the Big Ten. "If you wanted to,'' said NFL vice president for digital media Greg Isaacs, "you could create a private network for the coaches on your staff.'' Not to mention attracting the hardcore fan dying to see who blew the coverage on the 3rd-and-long touchdown his defense gave up.

The only problem I see with the availability of the coaches' tape is that many fans now are going to be adamant they can pin blame on players for bad plays or credit players for good plays. As one GM told me, "The problem with that is often I don't even know when I watch tape of our own team who blew the coverage, because you don't always know what the assignment was on a specific play. I have to go down the hall and ask my coaches who was responsible. So I don't expect fans at home to be able to have the answers even after they watched a play three or four times.''

 

[netnalp]

I don't think "He went to the Pro Bowl" is a valid argument when it comes to offensive lineman. In 2010 Shaun Ohara went to the Pro Bowl when he only played 6 games. Giants fans know that Rich Seubert was the offensive line MVP. Ohara even offered to pay for Seubert and his family to take a vacation to Hawaii. Maybe that was a one time hiccup but it's pretty ridiculous that a guy that played 6 games goes to the Pro Bowl. He only got in on name recognition.As for the stat sites. I take their rankings with a grain of salt. Offensive line seems to be one of the harder to evaluate. A sack may get put on Brick, but that could be because he was trying to compensate for the guy next to him blocking the wrong guy.

I agree it's flawed but the pro bowl honors are better than the PFF numbers. Reputation can be wrong and players can be picked for political reasons, but 9 times out of 10 it's right. It's completely hypothetical but if we took all best the players who didn't make the pro bowl, made a roster of out them, and had them face either NFC or AFC pro bowl, the pro bowl rosters would win, easily.

A Probowl team would likely lose to most of the teams from the other conference.

 

[JaxBill]

Some mroe details

The digital products and features include:

NFL Preseason Live - The same package as last year, which allows fans to watch live and on-demand out-of-market preseason games with a $10 price cut.

NFL Game Pass - Fans outside the U.S. can watch all regular season games live and on-demand.

NFL Game Rewind - Priced at various levels, this package allows fans to watch every play of the season after the game has aired on television.

Coaches Film - As described above, fans who purchase the high-end package for Game Rewind will have access to coach's film from the 2012 and 2011 season. The league anticipates that the coach's film from the 2012 games will be available on Wednesdays following the game. Archived footage is expected to be available closer to the start of the season.

Telestrator Function - This was by far the most exciting product reveal from the NFL on Monday's conference call. Fans will be able to break down plays from the game, drawing over still frames with their finger or a mouse. Additionally, fans can save their breakdowns and share them via social media or email.

Tablet availability - For the first time, all of the NFL's digital products will be available to fans on their iPad and most Android tablets.

Fantasy football - NFL.com packed significant upgrades into their online fantasy products, including tablet availability and live auctions.

The NFL's digital products team could not comment on future products, much less the availability of live games online. Nevertheless, it was clear that the league is investing heavily in the digital sphere to enhance the fan experience.

 

[skedssays]

Still waiting for them to release the ipad app.