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NFL viewership off 11% YOY (1 Viewer)

Thats not a totally fair metric. I mean what would baseball be? 5 minutes?  And basketball really more like 50 (with free throws)
Well, baseball is a bore to watch too ;)

I get what you are saying, it's just something I notice more and more as I get into NHL and EPL again.  More bang for the buck for me, and EPL is done in a couple hours.  I still love the idea of football, but I have stopped being able to watch a full game in my old age.  

ETA: Hell, even if we included all the plays, and the time it takes to call in the plays, would that even add up to 1/3 of the air time of the games?  I guessed 80-100 plays/game X 40secs or so... 

 
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Baseball: Per the 2013 WSJ study, Baseball games feature 17 minutes and 58 seconds of action.  Baseball games have been increasing in length (thanks in part to the eighteen annual 4-hour marathons between the glacial Boston Red Sox and equally glacial New York Yankees) over the years.  But, the amount of action has stayed roughly the same.  A 1952 TV broadcast showed about 13 minutes of action but just 9 minutes 45 seconds of commercials. The latest WSJ study found that fully 42 minutes and 41 seconds of between-inning inactivity would be purely commercial time on TV broadcasts.  That means there’s nearly 5 times as many commercials now than 50 years ago.  2015: thanks to new pace of play rules, the average length of a baseball game dropped by 6 minutes from 2014.  2017 update: ESPN published a study of the 2017 playoffs, which have been dragging.  The average MLB playoff game in 2017 has been going 3hrs, 35mins, which is up 10 minutes from 2016 and an astonishing 21 minutes from 2015.  I get that playoffs are more strategic, that pitchers are on quick hooks b/c there’s a finite amount of time, but this 3hrs 35mins is brutal.

Football: Per the WSJ 2010 study, NFL games feature about 11 minutes of action.  The amount of action in football games has been roughly the same since the early 1900s.  There was roughly 13 1/2 minutes of action in 1912, and slightly less in the 2010 study.  Other studies have shown that football generally ranges between 12-17 minutes of action.  Personally I tracked one quarter of an NFL playoff game  a few years ago with these numbers: in 50 minutes of clock time we saw exactly 250 seconds of action (4 minutes, 10 seconds) accompanied by no less than 20 commercials.  And this turned out to be a relatively “easy” quarter: one time out, one two-minute warning and two challenges/reviews.  It could have been a lot worse.  More recent studies have found that things are worsening for the NFL: WP’s Fred Bowen counted the ads in a 2014 NFL game and had seen an astounding 152 advertisements during the game.  152; that was more ads than plays from scrimmage.  Update for 2015: the early returns on the first few weeks of the season show a huge up-tick in penalties, which have slowed the game by four minutes from 2014 and average times are now at 3hrs 10minutes for games.  2017 update: the NFL has made some tweaks and the average game length through 2 weeks is down significantly, to 3hrs 4mins from 3hrs 15minutes in 2016.

Basketball: NBA games average 2 hours and 18 minutes in actual time.  Working backwards (since the clock only runs when the ball is in play and we know there’s exactly 48 minutes of play time) we know that there’s 138-48 = 90 minutes of “down time” of some sort in a typical NBA game.  Not all of that is commercial time but all of it is inaction.  I cannot find any documentation of typical number of commercials so i’ve just split the difference between on-screen inaction and off-screen commercials in the table below.  If you’re a big-time NBA watcher and feel this isn’t fair, please comment as such.

Hockey: The Livestrong piece below (side note: why is Livestrong doing “ball-in-play” studies on Hockey?) quotes average NHL games being 2hours and 19minutes in the 2003-4 season.  Working backwards from this, you have three 20-minute periods and two 17 minute intermissions, which leaves 46 minutes of remaining idle time.  Given that the idle times in Hockey are not nearly as long as those in basketball, I’m going to estimate that about 2/3rds of that 46minutes is commercials.

Soccer: Per the Soccerbythenumbers.com website 2011 study, between 62 and 65 minutes of ball-in-play action is seen on average in the major European pro leagues per game.  For the table below i’ll use 64 minutes as an average.  The duration of pro soccer games is relatively easy to calculate: they fit neatly into a 2 hour window by virtue of its 45minute halves, 15 minute break and an average of 3 minutes added-time on either side of the halves.  45+45+3+3+15 = 111 minutes of a 2 hour/120 minute time period.  Thanks to a bit of fluff on either side of the game, you generally count a soccer broadcast to last 1 hour and 55 minutes.  In the table below i’ve assumed that a huge portion of the intermission is commercial; in fact it is a lot less since most soccer broadcasts have a half-time show and highlights.  So if anything, the # of commercials in soccer broadcasts is less than listed.  Post 2014 World Cup Update: FIFA estimates that the group stage games averaged 57.6 minutes of action per game (if i’m reading their stat page correctly).  I’ll use this as the number going forward, even though World Cup games might be a bit “slower” than your average pro soccer game due to the careful, tactical nature of most of the matches.

 
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Yes, the problems aren't that we have replay, they are how they are implementing it.  Do the same people hang out in college football threads talking about how replay has ruined that game?  College reviews even more plays than the NFL does, yet they do it without the resulting uproar.  If the sport already has an example of a working system, the NFL just needs to further adopt what college is doing right.
They need to go to the NHL system for goal reviews. Everything is centralized in Toronto, people watch on enormous monitors, and they communicate the decision to the ref. Not only is it faster, but you're removing the component of needing to reverse your own call, or the guy on your crew's call. 

 
Yeah.  Certainly some variability in soccer as the piece notes.  Champions League and WC knockout rounds have much more time wasting than a league match will

 
They need to go to the NHL system for goal reviews. Everything is centralized in Toronto, people watch on enormous monitors, and they communicate the decision to the ref. Not only is it faster, but you're removing the component of needing to reverse your own call, or the guy on your crew's call. 
That is what the NFL does now .....

For the 2014 season, senior officiating staff members inside Art McNally GameDay Central in the league’s New York headquarters began consulting directly with the referee during reviews. The move helped ensure that calls are being made consistently across the league.

The review process started in New York. As the referee gathered details about the challenge, replay officials in the stadium and in AMGC compiled the best available angles from the broadcast feed. By the time the referee arrived at the booth, the best replays were queued up and ready for review. The change to a consultation model was aimed at reducing the review’s impact on the length of the game.

While the consultation model largely remains in place today, the Competition Committee voted to make two additional changes before the 2017 season. Final decisions on all replay reviews will now come from designated senior members of the officiating department in AMGC and referees will now view all replay video on wired, hand-held Microsoft Surface tablets.

The revised process is part of the NFL’s ongoing efforts to make the instant replay review process more efficient and consistent.

 
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That is what the NFL does now .....

For the 2014 season, senior officiating staff members inside Art McNally GameDay Central in the league’s New York headquarters began consulting directly with the referee during reviews. The move helped ensure that calls are being made consistently across the league.

The review process started in New York. As the referee gathered details about the challenge, replay officials in the stadium and in AMGC compiled the best available angles from the broadcast feed. By the time the referee arrived at the booth, the best replays were queued up and ready for review. The change to a consultation model was aimed at reducing the review’s impact on the length of the game.

While the consultation model largely remains in place today, the Competition Committee voted to make two additional changes before the 2017 season. Final decisions on all replay reviews will now come from designated senior members of the officiating department in AMGC and referees will now view all replay video on wired, hand-held Microsoft Surface tablets.

The revised process is part of the NFL’s ongoing efforts to make the instant replay review process more efficient and consistent.
Well they haven't done a good job of that.

 
That is what the NFL does now .....

For the 2014 season, senior officiating staff members inside Art McNally GameDay Central in the league’s New York headquarters began consulting directly with the referee during reviews. The move helped ensure that calls are being made consistently across the league.

The review process started in New York. As the referee gathered details about the challenge, replay officials in the stadium and in AMGC compiled the best available angles from the broadcast feed. By the time the referee arrived at the booth, the best replays were queued up and ready for review. The change to a consultation model was aimed at reducing the review’s impact on the length of the game.

While the consultation model largely remains in place today, the Competition Committee voted to make two additional changes before the 2017 season. Final decisions on all replay reviews will now come from designated senior members of the officiating department in AMGC and referees will now view all replay video on wired, hand-held Microsoft Surface tablets.

The revised process is part of the NFL’s ongoing efforts to make the instant replay review process more efficient and consistent.
Read up on the NHL's system. It isn't nearly the same thing. 

 
Read up on the NHL's system. It isn't nearly the same thing. 
Um the NFL met with the NHL and sat with them to see how they ran it before the 2014 season.

The changes from 2014 were a direct result from working with the NHL :shrug:

the Competition Committee voted to make two additional changes before the 2017 season. Final decisions on all replay reviews will now come from designated senior members of the officiating department in AMGC

How is that different?

 
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Um the NFL met with the NHL and sat with them to see how they ran it before the 2014 season.

The changes from 2014 were a direct result from working with the NHL :shrug:

the Competition Committee voted to make two additional changes before the 2017 season. Final decisions on all replay reviews will now come from designated senior members of the officiating department in AMGC

How is that different?
Um NFL refs use Surface Pros. NHL refs use headsets for goal reviews.

 
Just felt like posting somewhere (and this seemed like an appropriate place) that I hate the NFL. I do, I loathe what the league has become. That is all.

 
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Just felt like posting somewhere (and this seemed like an appropriate place) that I hate the NFL. I do, I loathe what the league has become. That is all.
I don't hate the NFL but I do think it's boring and very difficult to watch.   I didn't even make it to halftime with the Pats game last night.  That was awful.  

 
I don't hate the NFL but I do think it's boring and very difficult to watch.   I didn't even make it to halftime with the Pats game last night.  That was awful.  
Agreed.  The reviews take too long, the officiating is dreadful far too often, and the games just aren't entertaining anymore.  Six playoff games thus far and only one so far has been enjoyable from start to finish (Car/NO).  It used to be there were tons of great games every year, but I honestly cannot recall one game from this past regular season that I watched and thought, "Okay, that was a great game." 

 
Agreed.  The reviews take too long, the officiating is dreadful far too often, and the games just aren't entertaining anymore.  Six playoff games thus far and only one so far has been enjoyable from start to finish (Car/NO).  It used to be there were tons of great games every year, but I honestly cannot recall one game from this past regular season that I watched and thought, "Okay, that was a great game." 
Eagles vs Rams. But then I enjoy offense and teams that can put up TDs and not FGs.

 
I've been critical of the NFL and don't watch anymore, but I'm sorry, if you don't love Blake Bortles dropping 42 on the road in the Playoffs, you have no soul. Especially against the stupid Steelers.

Screw it. I'm in. Bring on Bortles v. Foles or Keenum battling for a chip.

 
Terrible game.  Terrible weekend of football.  Who would like 3 of 4 games coming down to the last minute, and the last game being won on a miracle play that will go down as one of the highlights of NFL playoffs history?

 
Terrible game.  Terrible weekend of football.  Who would like 3 of 4 games coming down to the last minute, and the last game being won on a miracle play that will go down as one of the highlights of NFL playoffs history?
Also NFL review rule still sucks ###.

 
At this point, I'm not sure if some of you are being sarcastic, or just incredibly obstinate.
Apparently I don't either.  Me posting that I thought that a game was enjoyable to watch in a football thread somehow prompted a grown adult to use a laughing emoji.  Forgive me if I am of the belief that I'm not the one that looks like the idiot.

 
3 of the 4 games were pretty amazing.  If anything can save the NFL it's game play.  I read somewhere where someone said "just do what you do best" and this was definitely some amazing football.  NFL - stick with what you do best - focus on football. . . get rid of the stupid extra point rule at the end of the game with time expired or let the winning team take a pass instead of that, that was as anti climatic as hell.  Don't make the other team come out of the locker room, it's like kicking a puppy or something, I felt horrible for the Saints there.

 
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Terrible game.  Terrible weekend of football.  Who would like 3 of 4 games coming down to the last minute, and the last game being won on a miracle play that will go down as one of the highlights of NFL playoffs history?
This is what I'm saying.

And then, what you could do is turn the TV off and tell us how bad it was.  That is really the way it should work.

 

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