NHL Off-Season thread:Down goes Kane! (1 Viewer)

[Dickie Dunn]

Listening to Laughlin and Barnaby on NHL Network on the drive in to work, and they already were speculating on the Blue Jackets being in a cap crunch down the road, if they rumors of 6 years/$6.5M AAV for Saad are true.

 

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Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 35s35 seconds ago

Agent Lewis Gross says there is no contract agreement in place at this point between Brandon Saad and the Jackets.

I'm wondering if Chicago thought an offer sheet was imminent and they couldn't afford to match it. So, rather than take a package of picks, they dealt him for this deal that gets them NHL bodies on entry level contracts they can fill out their lineup with.

However, might Columbus consider not matching a potential offer sheet to take the draft picks themselves? Probably not since they seem eager to get back to the playoffs, but they might have a tough decision to make if someone comes in with a huge offer.

Stan has deals in place for PS and BB and is preparing an offer sheet for BS.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Paul MacLean hired as an assistant in Anaheim. Good pickup for the Ducks.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 3m3 minutes ago

Jarmo Kekalainen says Blue Jackets will match any offer sheet for Saad, in case they can't get a deal done by 12 noon. They're working on it

 

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Could the Hawks submit an offer sheet for BS? Not in terms of cap space but in terms of rules.

 

[Billy Bats]

Everybody gets 6.5 million!!! Woohoo!

 

[Billy Bats]

Safe to assume Sharp isn't returning a top 6 fwd, top prospect and 1st rounder?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Could the Hawks submit an offer sheet for BS? Not in terms of cap space but in terms of rules.

I don't think there is anything that says they can't. I also assume that they can go upward to the 10 percent over the cap, but it would screw them pretty good if the Blue Jackets decided to let him go back and take the picks.

 

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Could the Hawks submit an offer sheet for BS? Not in terms of cap space but in terms of rules.

I don't think there is anything that says they can't. I also assume that they can go upward to the 10 percent over the cap, but it would screw them pretty good if the Blue Jackets decided to let him go back and take the picks.

Not if they traded BB and PS for picks.

 

[Hawks64]

Could the Hawks submit an offer sheet for BS? Not in terms of cap space but in terms of rules.

I don't think there is anything that says they can't. I also assume that they can go upward to the 10 percent over the cap, but it would screw them pretty good if the Blue Jackets decided to let him go back and take the picks.

Not if they traded BB and PS for picks.

Have to be your original picks.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Could the Hawks submit an offer sheet for BS? Not in terms of cap space but in terms of rules.

I don't think there is anything that says they can't. I also assume that they can go upward to the 10 percent over the cap, but it would screw them pretty good if the Blue Jackets decided to let him go back and take the picks.

Not if they traded BB and PS for picks.

Have to be your original picks.

I'm sure he's saying that trading Bickell and Sharp would clear the cap space so they wouldn't need to worry about squeezing Saad under the cap. But yes, they would need to have all of their own picks in the designated spots to send back in the even the Jackets (or whoever) decided not to match.

 

[Bill Brasky]

poor Morin, asks out of Chicago and now sent back. probably gets more opportunities now though.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Hayes could have played on the Toews or Kane line if he signed with Chicago.

 

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Finding the positives in the Saad trade

 

[HughHoney]

I agree but apparently there aren't any takers for BB or PS. Stan had to do something. Word is he was getting an offer sheet tomorrow.

I find that hard to believe unless the asking price in return is unreasonable.Everybody knew Chicago was going to have some hard decisions to make, but this one is going to hurt I think.

Agreed. And if you're a Chicago fan wouldn't you rather overpay(lets assume $6.5) Saad and take well below market value on Sharp in a trade, instead of trading Saad and keeping Sharp at 5.9?

 

[Billy Bats]

TMZ saying Mike Richards had some oxys with him.

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/06/30/nhls-mike-richards-nhl-notified-about-oxycodone-drama-at-canadian-border

 

[RUSF18]

Two big pending RFAs getting dealt because of offer sheet fears suddenly has me worried about Stepan.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Two big pending RFAs getting dealt because of offer sheet fears suddenly has me worried about Stepan.

Wonder how NHL veterans feel abut all this money being thrown around for 21- and 22-year-olds.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Red Wings decide to buy out Stephen Weiss.

The Wings were going to buy out Weiss next year, anyway, and decided to move it up a year to further provide an opening for Dylan Larkin, the 2014 first-round pick who has done nothing but impress over the past year. There was some hesitancy on the Weiss decision because ankle surgery for Pavel Datsyuk means he's doubtful for the start of the season, but ultimately, the Wings decided the cap and roster space were preferable to have this summer.

Weiss will cost the Wings six years of dead money against the cap at approximate rates of $1 million, $1 million, $2.5 million, and then three successive years of $1.67 million. But doing so also yields savings of $3.8 million each of the next two years, and then $2.3 million in 2017-18. Having extra wiggle room is especially important in another year because in 2016 Justin Abdelkader and Darren Helm can become unrestricted free agents and restricted free agents include Danny DeKeyser, Riley Sheahan and Petr Mrazek. Those five players easily will go from cost the Wings roughly $8 million combined this season to upwards of $20 million starting in 2016-17.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/06/30/detroit-red-wings-stephen-weiss/29530727/

 

[Hawks64]

I agree but apparently there aren't any takers for BB or PS. Stan had to do something. Word is he was getting an offer sheet tomorrow.

I find that hard to believe unless the asking price in return is unreasonable.Everybody knew Chicago was going to have some hard decisions to make, but this one is going to hurt I think.

Agreed. And if you're a Chicago fan wouldn't you rather overpay(lets assume $6.5) Saad and take well below market value on Sharp in a trade, instead of trading Saad and keeping Sharp at 5.9?

The problem with that is if they sign Saad to 6.5 even if they trade Sharp for pucks it's a wash and they still have to move salary. With Saad at 6.5 when Seabrook is up next year it would be impossible to keep him and Seabrook > Saad for the Hawks.

 

[HellToupee]

I have a soft spot for tough guys but of all the deals the Bruins of made this week the Rinaldo stumps me the most

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Well, what I thought I heard was the way it worked is if the exact deal that Hamilton signed was actually an offer sheet...5.75M average would cost the Bruins 6.9M against the cap if they matched. Seemed odd.

that makes no sense.

Just was reading some offer sheet info. Here's the explanation ...

"When a player accepts an offer sheet and his team declines to match the value of the contract, his former team is entitled to draft pick compensation in the next upcoming draft or drafts based on the averaged yearly salary of the contract. This averaged annual salary is determined by dividing the total compensation by the lesser of the number of years of the Offer Sheet or five years (the latter clause has potentially come into play with one offer sheet---offered to Shea Weber in the 2012 offseason)"

So in Hamilton's case ... $34.5M / 5 = $6.9M. The cap hit remains $5.75M, but the compensation would have been treated as if the cap hit was $6.9M. Based on this link, that would have been two 1sts, plus a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Sharks give Martin Jones a 3-year, $9MM deal. Feels a little high given his limited track record in the NHL (only 34 games played), but they obviously went after him aggressively so you almost had to expect he'd get something similar unless they wanted longer term.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Sharks give Martin Jones a 3-year, $9MM deal. Feels a little high given that his limited track record in the NHL, but they obviously went after him aggressively so you almost had to expect he'd get something similar unless they wanted longer term.

They clearly loved him ... they gave up a 1st (perhaps a high 1st) and a prospect for him. Would have been strange if he signed for peanuts after that.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/brad-treliving-calls-out-boston-smear-campaign-against-dougie-hamilton-234452369.html

“When we went through this process of acquiring Dougie, and I know in my mind there’s been a lot of crap written in the last little bit, we do a lot of research on the player, not only what he does on the ice, but what he does off the ice. I’ve been asked a little bit over the last couple days, and I don’t really want to give it any type of response, but I think it deserves one based on the questions that I’ve been asked.

"There’s a lot of things that keep me up at night, the type of person that Dougie is, the type of teammate that he is, is not one of them. We do a lot of research in terms of the player on the ice, the personality,” Treliving said.

The fact we are questioning the character of a 22-year-old defenseman who’s 6-foot-5 and had 42 points last year is strange for so many reasons.

A. Because he’s 22, and still has some growing up to do like most 22 year olds. It doesn't sound like he did anything horribly wrong.

B. He’s an incredible asset for the Flames, especially as the Battle of Alberta heats up with Connor McDavid heading to Edmonton. He’ll be a top-two blueliner for Calgary for the next six years.

All this does is land Hamilton on the list of Boston athletes kicked to the curb as they head to different organizations to cement their legacies. Tyler Seguin partied too much and Joe Thornton is too chill to lead a team to a championship.

Who’s the next candidate to get ridden out of Beantown? Waiting for the rumor that Milan Lucic skipped the Space Mountain line at Disneyland last week.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I thought Chicago fans were just resigned to him leaving?

no way.

everybody assumed they would get rid of other guys like Sharp to make room to keep him. stupid to let a young stud like that go when you are relying pretty heavily on old wingers like Hossa and Sharp in your top-6.

Saad is 22 and hasn't earned a 6yr $6.5mm contract IMO. Yes, one of the best up and comers, but he was playing with Toews and Hossa for much of the year.

good luck finding his replacement.

Pittsburgh has been hunting wingers for years. They aren't easy to find.

I don't know what it would have cost to keep him, but I'd rather have him at $6MM/year than Bickell at $4MM or Sharp at $5.9MM.

I agree but apparently there aren't any takers for BB or PS. Stan had to do something. Word is he was getting an offer sheet tomorrow.

You guys have circumvented the salary cap for so long, time to pay the piper. Hope you enjoyed the run, it's over.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/brad-treliving-calls-out-boston-smear-campaign-against-dougie-hamilton-234452369.html

“When we went through this process of acquiring Dougie, and I know in my mind there’s been a lot of crap written in the last little bit, we do a lot of research on the player, not only what he does on the ice, but what he does off the ice. I’ve been asked a little bit over the last couple days, and I don’t really want to give it any type of response, but I think it deserves one based on the questions that I’ve been asked.

"There’s a lot of things that keep me up at night, the type of person that Dougie is, the type of teammate that he is, is not one of them. We do a lot of research in terms of the player on the ice, the personality,” Treliving said.

The fact we are questioning the character of a 22-year-old defenseman who’s 6-foot-5 and had 42 points last year is strange for so many reasons.

A. Because he’s 22, and still has some growing up to do like most 22 year olds. It doesn't sound like he did anything horribly wrong.

B. He’s an incredible asset for the Flames, especially as the Battle of Alberta heats up with Connor McDavid heading to Edmonton. He’ll be a top-two blueliner for Calgary for the next six years.

All this does is land Hamilton on the list of Boston athletes kicked to the curb as they head to different organizations to cement their legacies. Tyler Seguin partied too much and Joe Thornton is too chill to lead a team to a championship.

Who’s the next candidate to get ridden out of Beantown? Waiting for the rumor that Milan Lucic skipped the Space Mountain line at Disneyland last week.

Well, supposedly Lucic was in tears on the phone Friday and Sweeney said that was a brutal phone call to make.

But that's not snarky enough to draw ridicule from TMZ ... I mean, Puck Daddy, so we might as well throw that cheap shot in there.

And, oh yeah ... ... lots of those.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yotes to Sin City

Do something right for once Bettman, let them go.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Lucic in tears? Awesome.

 

[Zegras11]

Yotes to Sin City

Do something right for once Bettman, let them go.

Have never understood why the NHL wants to keep them there so badly.

 

[Billy Bats]

Yotes to Sin City

Do something right for once Bettman, let them go.

Not happening. They just opened up the expansion process and LV is a lock to get one, I highly doubt they walk away from the $500 million expansion fee.

 

[Billy Bats]

Happy Brooks Orpik day everyone! Can't wait to see what Sweeney has in mind today. Godspeed to you and yours.

 

[Sheriff66]

RUINZ LOLZ

 

[JaxBill]

Happy Brooks Orpik day everyone! Can't wait to see what Sweeney has in mind today. Godspeed to you and yours.

"Hey, Don ol' buddy. Hexy here. Sorry that the UFA market is so bare. Can I interest you in a slightly used LeCavalier?"

ETA - VLC has a 2 Mil bonus on July 1, so he probably wouldn't get traded until tomorrow at earliest.

 

[Northern Voice]

Yotes to Sin City

Do something right for once Bettman, let them go.

Not happening. They just opened up the expansion process and LV is a lock to get one, I highly doubt they walk away from the $500 million expansion fee.

They can still get that 500M from Seattle/Toronto/Quebec, but pretty strong denials of this one.

 

[Christo]

Pretty sweet deal for Columbus. Anisimov is a decent center who fills a need. Morin and Tropp are solid depth guys. Dano might wind up being pretty good.

Still, Saad has star potential even when you take him away from Chicago imo. I think Paliotta is going to be a solid 2nd pairing defenseman too.

Yeah feels like Stan got fleeced here

What was he supposed to do? They're still over the cap this morning.

 

[Christo]

I thought Chicago fans were just resigned to him leaving?

no way.

everybody assumed they would get rid of other guys like Sharp to make room to keep him. stupid to let a young stud like that go when you are relying pretty heavily on old wingers like Hossa and Sharp in your top-6.

Saad is 22 and hasn't earned a 6yr $6.5mm contract IMO. Yes, one of the best up and comers, but he was playing with Toews and Hossa for much of the year.

good luck finding his replacement.

Pittsburgh has been hunting wingers for years. They aren't easy to find.

I don't know what it would have cost to keep him, but I'd rather have him at $6MM/year than Bickell at $4MM or Sharp at $5.9MM.

I agree but apparently there aren't any takers for BB or PS. Stan had to do something. Word is he was getting an offer sheet tomorrow.

You guys have circumvented the salary cap for so long, time to pay the piper. Hope you enjoyed the run, it's over.

 

[Billy Bats]

Yotes to Sin City

Do something right for once Bettman, let them go.

Not happening. They just opened up the expansion process and LV is a lock to get one, I highly doubt they walk away from the $500 million expansion fee.

They can still get that 500M from Seattle/Toronto/Quebec, but pretty strong denials of this one.

You know they'll want all four. $2 billion > $1.5 billion.

 

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Hawks just signed a 5yr extension with AA. $$$ TBD

 

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Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 15m

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Heard from a great source that Saad is absolutely crushed. He didn't think he'd be getting traded. Seems like a lack of comm w/ agent to me.

Great wakeup call to other players who want to play hardball in negotiations. Careful or you might wakeup in Columbus.

 

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Dobber's take on Richards:

Let's tackle some non-FA stuff first, as a primer as you start your day. Specifically - Mike Richards. From what I've read on Twitter from Bob MacKenzie and Pierre McGuire, as well as Eric Macramalla and TMZ (here). From what I understand, the Kings were trying to move Richards and it looked like Calgary and Edmonton were interested. However, at the Draft, the Kings table took a sudden change of emotion midway through. Team brass had just found out about a June 17th incident at the Canadian border involving Richards and oxycodone pills (a painkiller). The Kings let the Oilers and Flames know, and killed the talks. After reflecting for a week - and I can only assume they spoke to Richards at length to get his side - and discussing with lawyers and the NHL, they placed Richards on waivers with the intent to buy him out. But Tuesday, after he had cleared, they must have received the go-ahead from either the league or the lawyers (or both) and they terminated the contract, citing a "material breach".

The NHLPA is reviewing and will likely dispute the termination, citing the NHL's drug policy and program. If Richards does indeed have an addiction to painkillers, it would go a long way to explain his drastic decline in play. It would also be quite a long-term issue, since his play started declining several years ago. I could be really jumping the gun on the speculation front here, and possibly skipping quite a few steps in terms of the real story, but I'm just speaking from the perspective of a fantasy owner. If he has an addiction then he needs help. And the NHL, the Kings and possibly the Flyers played no small role in his getting addicted. Because it only makes sense that the painkillers were initially prescribed to combat pain from a hockey injury, right? And if that's the case, then the Kings would be on the hook for the contract while Richards is in rehab.


I caution you, I feel like I give the simple answer here and I know there is key information missing. But at first blush, that's how I see it. So this can go one of two ways. One, Richards is an addict and gets help. In which case, don't expect him back this season. He'll get the help he needs and perhaps get another chance next summer. But I think even after getting help, his high-end talent is gone for good. Two, Richards is not an addict. But is a party boy (as was his reputation in Philadelphia), and is not taking his NHL career seriously. And that too would mean that his high-end talent is gone for good because his play declined due to conditioning and attitude. It's lose-lose if you own him in fantasy. So all you can do is pull for him in real life.

 

[JaxBill]

Dobber's take on Richards:

Let's tackle some non-FA stuff first, as a primer as you start your day. Specifically - Mike Richards. From what I've read on Twitter from Bob MacKenzie and Pierre McGuire, as well as Eric Macramalla and TMZ (here). From what I understand, the Kings were trying to move Richards and it looked like Calgary and Edmonton were interested. However, at the Draft, the Kings table took a sudden change of emotion midway through. Team brass had just found out about a June 17th incident at the Canadian border involving Richards and oxycodone pills (a painkiller). The Kings let the Oilers and Flames know, and killed the talks. After reflecting for a week - and I can only assume they spoke to Richards at length to get his side - and discussing with lawyers and the NHL, they placed Richards on waivers with the intent to buy him out. But Tuesday, after he had cleared, they must have received the go-ahead from either the league or the lawyers (or both) and they terminated the contract, citing a "material breach".

The NHLPA is reviewing and will likely dispute the termination, citing the NHL's drug policy and program. If Richards does indeed have an addiction to painkillers, it would go a long way to explain his drastic decline in play. It would also be quite a long-term issue, since his play started declining several years ago. I could be really jumping the gun on the speculation front here, and possibly skipping quite a few steps in terms of the real story, but I'm just speaking from the perspective of a fantasy owner. If he has an addiction then he needs help. And the NHL, the Kings and possibly the Flyers played no small role in his getting addicted. Because it only makes sense that the painkillers were initially prescribed to combat pain from a hockey injury, right? And if that's the case, then the Kings would be on the hook for the contract while Richards is in rehab.


I caution you, I feel like I give the simple answer here and I know there is key information missing. But at first blush, that's how I see it. So this can go one of two ways. One, Richards is an addict and gets help. In which case, don't expect him back this season. He'll get the help he needs and perhaps get another chance next summer. But I think even after getting help, his high-end talent is gone for good. Two, Richards is not an addict. But is a party boy (as was his reputation in Philadelphia), and is not taking his NHL career seriously. And that too would mean that his high-end talent is gone for good because his play declined due to conditioning and attitude. It's lose-lose if you own him in fantasy. So all you can do is pull for him in real life.

I don't think One and Two are mutually exclusive. I think he is an addict who just switched his drug of choice. But yes, considering that his best years depended on him being max effort, it seems like the fire has burned out and his career is basically over.

 

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Dobber on fire in his ramblings. Here's his take on Phoenix moving to LV:

Here is a report saying that the Arizona Coyotes are moving to Las Vegas under a new owner. Gary Bettman denies the report, calling it "garbage".

Here is a report saying that the Atlanta Thrashers are moving to Winnipeg under a new owner. Gary Bettman denies the report, calling it "made up".

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Anisimov got 5 more years for $22.75 MM = $4.55MM/year.

Bieksa signed a 2-year extension for $4MM/year (with no move clause)

 

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Anyone know if the NHL network will have the TSN feed today?

 

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Live coverage of Saad's conference call.

 

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Live coverage of Saad's conference call.

Hilarious listening to CBJ trying to figure out how to do a conference call.

 

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Live coverage of Saad's conference call.

Hilarious listening to CBJ trying to figure out how to do a conference call.

They're going to try again in 20 minutes or ~9:30 CST

 

[RUSF18]

I know having those Cups make things like this very very tolerable, but I'll be really surprised if Chicago fans aren't #####ing in here about Anisimov very soon. Especially with that money/term locked up.

 

[tom22406]

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper

#Flames Giordano now eligible to sign #NHL extension. Hearing starting point on max term is 72m over 8 years.