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NHL Off-Season thread:Down goes Kane! (2 Viewers)
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IC FBGCav
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I can't believe they actually did it but glad they did. I was happy when they signed him long term too. He was playing great but once he got paid he didn't care and stopped trying.
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Parmcat
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Jay Zawaski
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"Richards is part of an ongoing investigation by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for an off-ice incident."
#UhOh https://twitter.com/KatieStrangESPN/status/615903020967137280
Jay Zawaski @JayZawaski670
"Richards is part of an ongoing investigation by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for an off-ice incident."
#UhOh https://twitter.com/KatieStrangESPN/status/615903020967137280
tom22406
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
LOL never seen that before and against a Staal, no wonder he didn't work out in Carolina.
tom22406
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3_0ukjimpw
Even Joe B gets a chuckle out of it during the broadcast.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Sharks give up a 2016 first-round draft pick plus unsigned prospect Sean Kuraly for Martin Jones
Bill Brasky
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Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Yep, so Sweeney turned Lucic into a pair of firsts (one of them Zboril, a solid D), plus Colin Miller and Sean Kuraly (prospect still at Miami-Ohio). Pretty good haul.
Still scratching my head at some of the other stuff ... Rinaldo in particular. But this is a positive sign.
Still scratching my head at some of the other stuff ... Rinaldo in particular. But this is a positive sign.
@DarrenDreger: Sounds like a 6 yr extension coming in Calgary for Hamilton. #TSN
O/U on $$: $36MM?
O/U on $$: $36MM?
Lehner and Jones both fetched a 1st round pick. Goalies still have some value.
Billy Bats
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Parmcat
Canada: Beer, Bacon and Beavers
Workhorse
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Billy Bats
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Yea won't be surprised if it's a lot more, but if they start paying 3 year players 6m/yr, it's gonna get ugly. The bridge deals are dead already?
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Was still right on unders.
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Dickie Dunn
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Right. I think Sweeney can get some heat for the way the deal went down, but when Tavares and Seguin are only making $6M AAV, how in the world does anyone think Hamilton already deserves that much? He absolutely could down the road, but I'm not sure I sign that check now.Yea won't be surprised if it's a lot more, but if they start paying 3 year players 6m/yr, it's gonna get ugly. The bridge deals are dead already?
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Was still right on unders.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
good deal for both sides. what a steal for Calgary
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
2015-16 cap numbers for top defensemen
Subban $9.5M
Weber $7.85M
Suter $7.53M
Letang $7.25M
Campbell $7.14M
Doughty $7M
Phaneuf $7M
Chara $6.91M
Pietrangelo $6.5M
Karlsson $6.5M
Boychuk $6M
Seabrook $5,8M
Burns $5.76M
Markov $5.5M
Enstrom $5.75M
Niskanen $5.75M
Staal $5.7M
Keith $5.53M
Where does/should Hamilton fit in there?
Subban $9.5M
Weber $7.85M
Suter $7.53M
Letang $7.25M
Campbell $7.14M
Doughty $7M
Phaneuf $7M
Chara $6.91M
Pietrangelo $6.5M
Karlsson $6.5M
Boychuk $6M
Seabrook $5,8M
Burns $5.76M
Markov $5.5M
Enstrom $5.75M
Niskanen $5.75M
Staal $5.7M
Keith $5.53M
Where does/should Hamilton fit in there?
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
So Hamilton ends up with $5.75M AAV ... Sweeney and the B's supposedly offered $5.5M AAV.
Bill Brasky
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RUSF18
Footballguy
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Not if the reports are true that he initially asked for as much as $7.5M from the Bruins.
I'm sure Sweeney would have figured out a way to make the extra $250K work if it came down to that. But this reminds people of the way Kessel essentially "demaned" his way out of town.
However, also begs the question of why players like Kessel and Hamilton are looking to get out of dodge after their ELC is up.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
By the way, who wants to be Brad Treviling when it comes time to work new deals for Giordano ($4.025M, UFA after this season), Monahan, Gaudreau, Colborne, Russell, Hiller, etc.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
so which is it, too uppity and didn't fit or he wouldn't sign? I'm sure whatever it is Ruins will conclude it was Dougie's fault.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
Hamilton could be a top-10 defenseman and is a long term top pairing player. Those guys are worth $6MM/year in today's NHL. Easily.
Boston clueless again when it comes to handling young stars.
Boston clueless again when it comes to handling young stars.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
It could be both.so which is it, too uppity and didn't fit or he wouldn't sign? I'm sure whatever it is Ruins will conclude it was Dougie's fault.
Not excusing it, just saying that indications are there is more to this, and it's all very strange.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
You really think the Flames are going to be able to afford to keep all those guys next year? Serious question.yeah, all that young talent. what a nightmare.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
The ones that matter, yes.You really think the Flames are going to be able to afford to keep all those guys next year? Serious question.yeah, all that young talent. what a nightmare.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
That's fair. But how much more is Giordano going to want, knowing that Hamilton is making that much already?The ones that matter, yes.You really think the Flames are going to be able to afford to keep all those guys next year? Serious question.yeah, all that young talent. what a nightmare.
And which other ones matter? Assuming Gaudreau and Monahan, maybe not Colborne or Russell, probably not Hiller. But who takes their place(s)? And at what cost?
Like Rud said, if the price for a "could be" top-10 NHL defenseman is $6M AAV coming off his ELC, then that's why so many GMs are going to find themselves in cap hell sooner rather than later.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
What are you talking about, Calgary is fine. A couple deals that might need to be bought out but most of their redundancy/replaceable players are expiring in the next two years or moveable.That's fair. But how much more is Giordano going to want, knowing that Hamilton is making that much already?The ones that matter, yes.You really think the Flames are going to be able to afford to keep all those guys next year? Serious question.yeah, all that young talent. what a nightmare.
And which other ones matter? Assuming Gaudreau and Monahan, maybe not Colborne or Russell, probably not Hiller. But who takes their place(s)? And at what cost?
Like Rud said, if the price for a "could be" top-10 NHL defenseman is $6M AAV coming off his ELC, then that's why so many GMs are going to find themselves in cap hell sooner rather than later.
Giordano (UFA in 2016, $4MM cap hit now)
Hamilton (signed long-term at $5.75MM per)
Brodie (signed long-term at $4.65MM per)
Wideman (UFA in 2017, $5.25 cap hit now)
Russell (UFA in 2016, $2.6MM cap hit now)
Smid ($3.75MM until 2017)
Engelland ($2.9MM until 2017)
they will almost certainly lock up Giordano before he hits free agency. Probably something around $7MM/year would get it done, depending on how much term they want to give him. That would give them long-term deals with their top-3 defensemen for roughly $17.5MM/year. That's about 25% of the cap right now but it's going to go up.
They let Wideman walk in 2017 when he's 34yo. Try to sign Russel to a new deal at $4MM/year or less to be their #4. I doubt Smid or Engelland are in the long-term plans so both can walk or sign team-friendly deals to stick around as bottom pairing/depth players.
At forward:
Hudler (UFA in 2016, cap hit of $4MM now)
D.Jones (UFA in 2016, cap hit of $4MM now)
Backlund ($3.575MM for 3 years)
Raymond ($3.15MM for 2 years)
Stajan ($3.125MM for 3 years)
Gaudreau (RFA in 2016)
Monahan (RFA in 2016)
Colborne (RFA in 2016)
Bollig ($1.25MM for 2 years)
Bouma (RFA now)
Bennett (RFA in 2018)
Goalies:
Hiller ($4.5MM for 1 more year)
Ramo (UFA now)
So, they have a few guys set to make raises in 2016. Hudler just had a great year, but he's 31yo so he shouldn't cost a ton to sign to an extension. Monahan and Gaudreau both could sign long-term deals or take a bridge deal in the hopes of signing an even bigger deal when they get a bit further along. I assume Calgary would prefer to lock them both up as soon as they can though. I don't see any other big contracts here. Bennett is years away from being a concern.
In goal, they probably let Hiller leave in a year. Have young guys like Ortio and Gillies in place, and maybe they will re-sign Ramo or find another low-cost starter in free agency.
I think they are in pretty good shape actually. even if they give Giordano a short-term deal that's around $7.5MM/year or so, that will be fine because their young forwards aren't going to break the bank right away.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Local Boston radio is saying if that was an offer sheet to Hamilton it would have cost the Ruins 6.9M over 5 years against the cap. Is that true?
it depends on what the other team was willing to give Hamilton. Obviously the offer sheet would have been high to try and get Boston to decline matching it.
In 2012, the Flyers signed Shea Weber to a frontloaded 14-year, $110MM contract. They were pretty sure Nashville wouldn't match it, but they still did.
If Hamilton signed an offer sheet, it most likely would have fallen in one of these ranges:
$5MM to $6.7MM: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round choices as compensation
$6.7MM to $8.4MM: 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round choices as compensation
So, sure, he might have gotten an offer sheet at $7MM/year, but then Boston would have received two first round picks, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick as compensation if they declined to match.
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GTBilly
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Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Well, what I thought I heard was the way it worked is if the exact deal that Hamilton signed was actually an offer sheet...5.75M average would cost the Bruins 6.9M against the cap if they matched. Seemed odd.
Stafford signed a new deal to stick in Winnipeg. $8.7MM over 2 years.
he played well for them last year. should be a good signing without much risk given the term.
he played well for them last year. should be a good signing without much risk given the term.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
I doubt any team would have gone as high as $7M, given the extra 1st that would have had to come back, but who knows.
There were rumors immediately after the trade that Edmonton was a team that was considering an offer sheet. Which would make sense with the Chiarelli connection (not to mention the tendency to overpay). Edmonton supposedly offered similar picks to what Sweeney got from Calgary, but the B's also wanted Nurse as part of the package.
Anders Lee signs a 4-year deal with the Islanders for $15MM.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Dougie's pulling a McGwire: "I don't really want to talk about the past too much. I enjoyed my time in Boston."
Which is fine ... but it doesn't really do much to put the story to rest.
Which is fine ... but it doesn't really do much to put the story to rest.
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too bad the idiots with the Bruins trashing him on his way out couldn't do the same.
at "uppity"
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