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NHL Off-Season thread:Down goes Kane! (1 Viewer)

Hawks64 said:
chet said:
Christo said:
After another weak Dallas goal . . . KANE!
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My son was disgusted with me when I told him that I voted for Darling instead of CC in the all star game. I truly believe that CC is an average NHL goalie at best.
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Before his ankle injury I would disagree and in the playoffs last year he stole that Wild series. Right now he's average at best, poor starts and then locking it down. I do have a bit of a man-crush on Darling though, he has the potential to be very very good.
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What about Raanta?

Count me in the somewhat disappointed in Crawford camp. At least at this point in time.

On a tangent, 6 games in a row I believe for Rundblad and he's looking pretty good.

 
Northern Voice said:
I don't think there was really any doubt before this week, but McDavid is going #1. The passes he's made tonight are unreal.
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Yeah he just seems to be a notch above Eichel.

I'm shocked the Russians beat Sweden the way they did.They will give Canada a good fight the way they are playing but I can't see them hanging around for 3 full periods.

 
chet said:
MIN

WTF?
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worst effort I've seen in two seasons. everyone whining about goaltending. IMO that's the least of their worries. team in front of the net has been below average for a month now. Saturday night they didn't even show up. the team in October and most of November better resurface quick, this week would be ideal since they play some of the games in hand with 4 Tuesday-Sunday against SJ, NSH, and CHI twice.

 
Northern Voice said:
does nhl numbers have the feature where you can edit/add free agents and build your own roster?
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no. that's one of the features capgeek added which made it cool.

but I just like using nhlnumbers to figure out what players make, how many years left on their deals, etc.

 
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ditka311 said:
Hawks64 said:
chet said:
Christo said:
After another weak Dallas goal . . . KANE!
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My son was disgusted with me when I told him that I voted for Darling instead of CC in the all star game. I truly believe that CC is an average NHL goalie at best.
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Before his ankle injury I would disagree and in the playoffs last year he stole that Wild series. Right now he's average at best, poor starts and then locking it down. I do have a bit of a man-crush on Darling though, he has the potential to be very very good.
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What about Raanta?

Count me in the somewhat disappointed in Crawford camp. At least at this point in time.

On a tangent, 6 games in a row I believe for Rundblad and he's looking pretty good.
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IMO Darling is the better goalie now and has the better potential. Much better rebound control than Raanta. Rundbland is good but he's no TVR ;)

 
Bill Brasky said:
chet said:
MIN

WTF?
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worst effort I've seen in two seasons. everyone whining about goaltending. IMO that's the least of their worries. team in front of the net has been below average for a month now. Saturday night they didn't even show up. the team in October and most of November better resurface quick, this week would be ideal since they play some of the games in hand with 4 Tuesday-Sunday against SJ, NSH, and CHI twice.
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Oof, tough stretch. You guys are in trouble, but there's a lot of season left.

 
has Bonino even scored a goal since we declared him the big winner of the great Kesler deal? I bet he's still getting sheltered minutes too. weird.

 
Bill Brasky said:
has Bonino even scored a goal since we declared him the big winner of the great Kesler deal? I bet he's still getting sheltered minutes too. weird.
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no goals since 12/13. only 1 point since then.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/boninni01/scoring/2015/

meanwhile, Kesler has a primary assist on a short-handed goal, an OT goal, and 3 more points in that time span.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/keslery01/scoring/2015/

he's also winning over 55% of his faceoffs and ranks 4th overall in faceoff draws won this year (behind Giroux, Bergeron, and the amazing Tyler Bozak).

 
Canada choked like this back in 2011 against Russia, but I think these guys will hold on. ***ale may be the goat though.

 
Good game. Great effort from Russia after a rough start.

Congrats Canada.

Man, it would be so awesome to get Reinhart and McDavid on the Sabres next year.

 
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Im reading about the Red Army movie coming out.

Im no historian and you guys have a ton of knowledge. Would those Soviet teams wreck the great NHL teams (oilers, islanders, habs) or do the NHL teams take them.

Talking 7 game series. Obviously they can be had in one game

 
I was listening to the NHL channel on Sirius XM on the way in to work and the phone guest was Bill Watters, I know he used to work in the Leafs front office, but he absolutely skewered Kessel in the segment I heard. Said both management and the team president approached Kessel about possibly moving to LW and Kessel refused to even consider it. Also said Kessel was sucking wind on the bench the other night after his penalty shot in Boston, and intimated that the Leafs would never win anything as long as they try to build their team around him.

Scores goals, though.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
I was listening to the NHL channel on Sirius XM on the way in to work and the phone guest was Bill Watters, I know he used to work in the Leafs front office, but he absolutely skewered Kessel in the segment I heard. Said both management and the team president approached Kessel about possibly moving to LW and Kessel refused to even consider it. Also said Kessel was sucking wind on the bench the other night after his penalty shot in Boston, and intimated that the Leafs would never win anything as long as they try to build their team around him.

Scores goals, though.
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Wilbur is easily one of the most knowledgeable hockey men in Toronto making him one of the best in the world.(crack on our city all you want but it is the center of the hockey universe and we have interns at local tv stations that know more about hockey and the nhl than most "hockey guys" in US media. Pity our team is an enigma and the organization is horribly flawed)

 
AcerFC said:
Im reading about the Red Army movie coming out.

Im no historian and you guys have a ton of knowledge. Would those Soviet teams wreck the great NHL teams (oilers, islanders, habs) or do the NHL teams take them.

Talking 7 game series. Obviously they can be had in one game
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Only team that could beat them in a 7 game series would be the 70's Flyers. And it would be over in two games since the Ruskies would go home after 2.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
I was listening to the NHL channel on Sirius XM on the way in to work and the phone guest was Bill Watters, I know he used to work in the Leafs front office, but he absolutely skewered Kessel in the segment I heard. Said both management and the team president approached Kessel about possibly moving to LW and Kessel refused to even consider it. Also said Kessel was sucking wind on the bench the other night after his penalty shot in Boston, and intimated that the Leafs would never win anything as long as they try to build their team around him.

Scores goals, though.
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Carlyle played him 25 minutes on Friday night, the first game of back to backs. The Leafs preached all offseason spreading ice time and playing all 4 lines more. Maybe #1 reason Carlyle is finally gone.

Kessel is awesome, Leafs still need a #1 centre, (and Phaneuf is good too but they still need a #1 defenceman) like they have for several years. Kessel is Patrick Kane, who's a great player but likely doesn't have the cups he does without Toews/Keith/Seabrook etc...

 
Northern Voice said:
Dickie Dunn said:
I was listening to the NHL channel on Sirius XM on the way in to work and the phone guest was Bill Watters, I know he used to work in the Leafs front office, but he absolutely skewered Kessel in the segment I heard. Said both management and the team president approached Kessel about possibly moving to LW and Kessel refused to even consider it. Also said Kessel was sucking wind on the bench the other night after his penalty shot in Boston, and intimated that the Leafs would never win anything as long as they try to build their team around him.

Scores goals, though.
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Carlyle played him 25 minutes on Friday night, the first game of back to backs. The Leafs preached all offseason spreading ice time and playing all 4 lines more. Maybe #1 reason Carlyle is finally gone.

Kessel is awesome, Leafs still need a #1 centre, (and Phaneuf is good too but they still need a #1 defenceman) like they have for several years. Kessel is Patrick Kane, who's a great player but likely doesn't have the cups he does without Toews/Keith/Seabrook etc...
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It will be very interesting to see what direction management goes here.One would think given the metrics of the team they have to be seriously considering a firesale of some sorts because it clearly wasn't working with the pieces they have now.

 
tom22406 said:
Northern Voice said:
Dickie Dunn said:
I was listening to the NHL channel on Sirius XM on the way in to work and the phone guest was Bill Watters, I know he used to work in the Leafs front office, but he absolutely skewered Kessel in the segment I heard. Said both management and the team president approached Kessel about possibly moving to LW and Kessel refused to even consider it. Also said Kessel was sucking wind on the bench the other night after his penalty shot in Boston, and intimated that the Leafs would never win anything as long as they try to build their team around him.

Scores goals, though.
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Carlyle played him 25 minutes on Friday night, the first game of back to backs. The Leafs preached all offseason spreading ice time and playing all 4 lines more. Maybe #1 reason Carlyle is finally gone.Kessel is awesome, Leafs still need a #1 centre, (and Phaneuf is good too but they still need a #1 defenceman) like they have for several years. Kessel is Patrick Kane, who's a great player but likely doesn't have the cups he does without Toews/Keith/Seabrook etc...
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It will be very interesting to see what direction management goes here.One would think given the metrics of the team they have to be seriously considering a firesale of some sorts because it clearly wasn't working with the pieces they have now.
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Carlyle tanked Anaheims possession as well, that's why they have to get rid of Carlyle, give it some time and then if needed do the fire sale. Kessel was a good possession player in Boston, as was Phaneuf in Calgary.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Bill Brasky said:
has Bonino even scored a goal since we declared him the big winner of the great Kesler deal? I bet he's still getting sheltered minutes too. weird.
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no goals since 12/13. only 1 point since then.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/boninni01/scoring/2015/

meanwhile, Kesler has a primary assist on a short-handed goal, an OT goal, and 3 more points in that time span.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/keslery01/scoring/2015/

he's also winning over 55% of his faceoffs and ranks 4th overall in faceoff draws won this year (behind Giroux, Bergeron, and the amazing Tyler Bozak).
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The faceoffs and his presence on the team are huge factors in the Ducks success so far. The Ducks historically (except when Oates played) have been a very bad FO team. The faceoff success this year is one of the main reasons I think they are winning so many one goal games. A few more chances when needed on offense and a few more puck possessions late in the game.

 
Northern Voice said:
tom22406 said:
Northern Voice said:
Dickie Dunn said:
I was listening to the NHL channel on Sirius XM on the way in to work and the phone guest was Bill Watters, I know he used to work in the Leafs front office, but he absolutely skewered Kessel in the segment I heard. Said both management and the team president approached Kessel about possibly moving to LW and Kessel refused to even consider it. Also said Kessel was sucking wind on the bench the other night after his penalty shot in Boston, and intimated that the Leafs would never win anything as long as they try to build their team around him.

Scores goals, though.
Click to expand...
Carlyle played him 25 minutes on Friday night, the first game of back to backs. The Leafs preached all offseason spreading ice time and playing all 4 lines more. Maybe #1 reason Carlyle is finally gone.Kessel is awesome, Leafs still need a #1 centre, (and Phaneuf is good too but they still need a #1 defenceman) like they have for several years. Kessel is Patrick Kane, who's a great player but likely doesn't have the cups he does without Toews/Keith/Seabrook etc...
Click to expand...
It will be very interesting to see what direction management goes here.One would think given the metrics of the team they have to be seriously considering a firesale of some sorts because it clearly wasn't working with the pieces they have now.
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Carlyle tanked Anaheims possession as well, that's why they have to get rid of Carlyle, give it some time and then if needed do the fire sale. Kessel was a good possession player in Boston, as was Phaneuf in Calgary.
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What Watters was saying was that Kessel appears to be the problem, or at least a very big part of it. Apparently he went to Carlyle and requested the increase in playing time, and Carlyle obviously obliged. I'm sure that didn't rub the front office the right way, all things considered.

Not terribly surprising, considering a lot of the stuff I heard from his time here in Boston.

 
Ron Wilson chimes in:

"Some core players have failed under two or three coaches ... Youd have to surmise that some of them are uncoachable now."

12:35pm - 6 Jan 15

"Phil's problem is he's two weeks on two weeks off ...you can't rely on Phil (Kessel) ... That's the nature of the beast." -Ron Wilson on #Leafslunch

12:38pm - 6 Jan 15

 
LOL I love the Phil Kessel is inconsistent thing. He's 2nd in the NHL in points since 2011-12, if he was consistent he'd be Sid.

eta with Tyler Bozak at centre no less.

 
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