Nicks versus Manningham (1 Viewer)

[Jackal King]

Manningham had more receptions (9) than Nicks.

Manningham had more yards (27) than Nicks.

Manningham had more targets (27) than Nicks.

Nicks had more TD (1) than Manningham.

Manningham averaged 13.39 ppg (ppr).

Nicks averaged 13.96 ppg (ppr).

Nicks was a little more productive with his targets than was Manningham.

But...Nicks is ranked as dynasty WR17 and Manningham is WR71.

Why?

 

[TheWick]

did you watch the games?

Nicks has WR17 skills, Manningham is just a guy...IMHO

 

[DevilDog919]

Nicks was injured, and was also a rookie last season. The Giants spent a 1st on Nicks, and a 3rd on Manningham. Nicks is more the prototypical size for a WR, Manningham is not.

I think both are good WR's, but Nicks will start for the Giants and thus lowers Manningham's value.

 

[MAC_32]

If you watched Manningham last season you would understand why Nicks has got a big leg up on him, I'm assuming you didn't watch much of him because if you did you wouldn't be asking. I'm a huge Mario fan, admitted Michigan homer, but the guy's inconsistencies are maddening. He'll get another opportunity again, he has the skills if he can ever piece his game together, but Nicks will get first crack this season.

 

[finito]

Nicks just looks so much better, though Manningham took a big step forward himself.

 

[Duke1948]

might be one of those instances where stats don't tell the whole story?

 

[massraider]

You're in the belly of the Nicks beast here. Every time Nicks comes within 30 feet of a FBG, he gets a rubdown and a shiatsu.

 

[*****]

I think Mario has a lot of talent in his own right. Nicks looks the part so everyone likes to give him the love. Frankly, I wonder why people assume that Nicks is so far ahead that he can get the touches with both Smith and Mario there to justify the extreme man love.

 

[D'OHtis]

Mario makes more rookie mistakes than Nicks. The guy is just so inconsistent.

Mario's a decent NFL WR. I just think both Smith and Nicks are better [the big separating factor to me is reliability]

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

let's add to the discussion here that Nicks played last season on a broken toe

 

[Avery]

Not for nothing, but a more legitimate discussion is Nicks v. Smith for dynasty.

As a Giants fan who has followed these guys, Manningham is a clearly third, at best, here.

 

[Balco]

Not for nothing, but a more legitimate discussion is Nicks v. Smith for dynasty.As a Giants fan who has followed these guys, Manningham is a clearly third, at best, here.

That is a tough one. Smith is by far the better NFL receiver than either Nicks or Manningham, but Nicks is a more inviting red zone target. Although I could have sworn I read somewhere that Smith was working on that part of his game? Is that even possible to do?

 

[finito]

Not for nothing, but a more legitimate discussion is Nicks v. Smith for dynasty.As a Giants fan who has followed these guys, Manningham is a clearly third, at best, here.

That is a tough one. Smith is by far the better NFL receiver than either Nicks or Manningham, but Nicks is a more inviting red zone target. Although I could have sworn I read somewhere that Smith was working on that part of his game? Is that even possible to do?

Nicks brings different skills than Smith. Saying Smith is "by far the better receiver" is misleading IMO because Smith is coming off his 3rd year, Nicks his 1st, and Nicks' upside is huge -- Smith IMO has peeked, and while that's a heck of a peak, I see Nicks taking more of those looks next season and beyond. I think Nicks is going to improve substantially in the next year or two, and he already looks very good; I don't see Smith getting much better.

 

[Balco]

Not for nothing, but a more legitimate discussion is Nicks v. Smith for dynasty.As a Giants fan who has followed these guys, Manningham is a clearly third, at best, here.

That is a tough one. Smith is by far the better NFL receiver than either Nicks or Manningham, but Nicks is a more inviting red zone target. Although I could have sworn I read somewhere that Smith was working on that part of his game? Is that even possible to do?

Nicks brings different skills than Smith. Saying Smith is "by far the better receiver" is misleading IMO because Smith is coming off his 3rd year, Nicks his 1st, and Nicks' upside is huge -- Smith IMO has peeked, and while that's a heck of a peak, I see Nicks taking more of those looks next season and beyond. I think Nicks is going to improve substantially in the next year or two, and he already looks very good; I don't see Smith getting much better.

Smith caught 107 passes last year. If he doesn't get much better, he is still one of the better receivers in the league. With that said, he is far more valuable as an NFL receiver than as a fantasy receiver (except for ppr). Nicks is a completely different type of receiver than Smith, which might make him a better fantasy receiver down the road, but not as valuable as an NFL receiver.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You're in the belly of the Nicks beast here. Every time Nicks comes within 30 feet of a FBG, he gets a rubdown and a shiatsu.

As afar as Nicks vs S.smith goes. they ar very different WR. and play a different role in the passing game. I like Mario M too. The NYG have very nice options 1-3 at wr

 

[loose circuits]

You're in the belly of the Nicks beast here. Every time Nicks comes within 30 feet of a FBG, he gets a rubdown and a shiatsu.

As afar as Nicks vs S.smith goes. they ar very different WR. and play a different role in the passing game. I like Mario M too. The NYG have very nice options 1-3 at wr

Hixon isn't bad as a WR4 either...

 

[Hooper31]

did you watch the games?Nicks has WR17 skills, Manningham is just a guy...IMHO

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree here. Nicks just passes the eye test with flying colors. I owned Manningham last season. His score in week 15 on Sunday night won me a playoff game in my league. I would love to be a Manningham fan, but I can't deny what I saw on the field last season. Nicks just looks the part of a WR1 in the making. Manningham just looks like...an better than average NFL WR.

 

[Hooper31]

The NYG have very nice options 1-3 at wr

Well stated. One of them doesn't have to suck for the others to be good. They can all be solid WRs.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

did you watch the games?Nicks has WR17 skills, Manningham is just a guy...IMHO

Ya, I watched the games. Are you sure Nicks doesn't have WR16 or WR 18? skills?It was really Manningham's first year last year in the NFL. He came out 1 year early as well so both receivers are very young. Manningham needs to work on running pass routes, work on getting 2 feet in bounds on the sidelines but he's not just another guy. Mario Manningham has potential to be a very good receiver in this league and from there it just depends on how hard he's willing to work to take it to another level.Hakeem Nicks has that big play potential. There's no reason he can't step forward off of last season either but he also seemed to be in the right place at the right time last season in some of those big games he had. I like Nicks but I'm not willing to overpay for him like I did with Desean Jackson last year. I think Steve Smith and Manningham eat into Nicks overall potential, at least for next year. He's still going to be good, he's still going to make plays but it won't be as often as it could be with talented players like Steve Smith and Mario Manningham on the team.

 

[bigern1000]

Not for nothing, but a more legitimate discussion is Nicks v. Smith for dynasty.As a Giants fan who has followed these guys, Manningham is a clearly third, at best, here.

Fully agreed here -- Nicks was definitely eased into the offense after coming off his injury, and while it wasn't a great omen when he dropped that wide-open pass in his first game, he definitely showed everyone why that late first was spent on him (and to think I was hoping for Britt with that pick on draft day... lol). I have a couple of leagues where I own Nicks and Stevie, and it's a great problem to have...

 

[gregjcross]

I think Mario has a lot of talent in his own right. Nicks looks the part so everyone likes to give him the love. Frankly, I wonder why people assume that Nicks is so far ahead that he can get the touches with both Smith and Mario there to justify the extreme man love.

This. Also, the Giants play 3 WRs, it happens that all three are very capable. but lets admit it, Manningham, while he had a huge jump up rookie to sophomore, he also made quite a few mistakes that were very costly, especially keeping his feet in bounds. In the end, the situation couuld be very interesting as the Giants are not going to let Manningham sit on the bench, but Nicks is considered a beast and he is likely in position to be the true #! WR.

 

[gregjcross]

did you watch the games?

Nicks has WR17 skills, Manningham is just a guy...IMHO

Ya, I watched the games. Are you sure Nicks doesn't have WR16 or WR 18? skills?It was really Manningham's first year last year in the NFL. He came out 1 year early as well so both receivers are very young. Manningham needs to work on running pass routes, work on getting 2 feet in bounds on the sidelines but he's not just another guy. Mario Manningham has potential to be a very good receiver in this league and from there it just depends on how hard he's willing to work to take it to another level.

Hakeem Nicks has that big play potential. There's no reason he can't step forward off of last season either but he also seemed to be in the right place at the right time last season in some of those big games he had. I like Nicks but I'm not willing to overpay for him like I did with Desean Jackson last year. I think Steve Smith and Manningham eat into Nicks overall potential, at least for next year. He's still going to be good, he's still going to make plays but it won't be as often as it could be with talented players like Steve Smith and Mario Manningham on the team.

Manningham Manningham struggles against top flight, physical CBs--see the KC game last year, he also gets dinged too easily. He is very smooth but he has a long way to go. If the Giants commit to a pass heavy offense with Eli, all three of the WRs could be productive. I wonder if Manningham is as good as Steve Smith, I know that Nicks is better than both because he is so much more physical.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think will echo as many seem to be stating here. I watch most Giants games and was one of the very few tellling everyone how good Steve Smith was going to be in fantasy last season during the off season.

-Nicks has the most prototypical WR 1 body of the 3 and I feel will develop into the wr to own in non ppr leagues. He is strong, can make plays, can avoid jams, get deep, and is everything you look for in a WR 1. He also had a very good rookie year.

-Smith will always be the value play and will be just as important in PPR leagues as Nicks. Smith will also be the most consistent and will see the most targets as Elli trusts and looks for him often. He is one of the best route runners in the NFL and knows how to get open and has great hands.

-Mannignham is a very good WR, and offers a quickness that the other two guys don't have, but he will be the most inconsistent of the 3 guys not only in the NFL but in fantasy as well.

I think the Giants start with Nicks and Smith in most formations and when they move into 3 WR sets which they run a fair amount, Smith will move into the slot as he did last year and Mario will step in outside. Nothing will change from last year with how they run their offense but Mario is not going to get as many targets as his role will be smaller being the number 3 guy in the offense.

 

[netnalp]

Mannigham tends to catch the ball against his body, causing it to bounce around. He does a good job at grabbing the ball once it has bounced, but the chance of a turnover is greater because of it.

 

[MAC_32]

Mannigham tends to catch the ball against his body, causing it to bounce around. He does a good job at grabbing the ball once it has bounced, but the chance of a turnover is greater because of it.

His sideline awareness has been pretty brutal too.

 

[RootDown]

 

[Ray_T]

I agree Nicks has way more potential based purely on skill level and intangibles.

Manningham also has shown a lot of potential. We need to remember both of these guys were rookies, and the problems we have seen with manningham can be fixed with some coaching & time.

the good thing, is that Eli is the type of QB that can make up for a lot and I expect both players to have a good second season. I also believe that Eli, with 3 healthy WR's with decent skill could have a very good year.

as someone mentioned earlier, the Giants use a lot of 3 receiver sets, so while I do think Nicks will fight Smith for the #1 job, I also think that this is a system where all three WR's in New York will get good playing time with some plays designed to take advantage of each WR's strengths. As such, all 3 WR's could potentially have a very good year.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Hmm, this thread is interesting.........it makes me wonder about Eli Manning's possibilities as a QB1 in fantasy leagues. I had been considering Eli as a low end QB1 in 12 team leagues and a top tier QB2 in 16 team leagues. With all the Giants WR love in here, one might get the impression that Eli is a top-8 to top-5 QB1. Is it possible that all this WR talent will lead to a more pass happy offense in NY?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Hmm, this thread is interesting.........it makes me wonder about Eli Manning's possibilities as a QB1 in fantasy leagues. I had been considering Eli as a low end QB1 in 12 team leagues and a top tier QB2 in 16 team leagues. With all the Giants WR love in here, one might get the impression that Eli is a top-8 to top-5 QB1. Is it possible that all this WR talent will lead to a more pass happy offense in NY?

it already did last year

 

[Pickle Rody]

Hmm, this thread is interesting.........it makes me wonder about Eli Manning's possibilities as a QB1 in fantasy leagues. I had been considering Eli as a low end QB1 in 12 team leagues and a top tier QB2 in 16 team leagues. With all the Giants WR love in here, one might get the impression that Eli is a top-8 to top-5 QB1. Is it possible that all this WR talent will lead to a more pass happy offense in NY?

it already did last year

Okay. Manning finished at QB10 in my league last year. I have to accept the fact that he could finish better in 2010. I don't like doing that.

 

[*****]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise.

The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.

The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

 

[Balco]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise. The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

The Giants would be foolish not to resign Smith, he is a great NFL receiver. If they let him go, that will leave a huge hole on that team.

 

[MAC_32]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise. The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

The Giants would be foolish not to resign Smith, he is a great NFL receiver. If they let him go, that will leave a huge hole on that team.

Allegedly when the Giants were in talks with the Browns about trading for Braylon pre draft last year they considered making the move for either Manningham or Hixon but Smith was a deal breaker. This was before he broke out. I don't see the Giants letting him go, and they shouldn't.

 

[TheFanatic]

Look at the starts for each last year. Mario got a lot of starts early. Makes sense. Nicks was a rookie dinged and Manningham was in his second season. 4 of Nick's 6 starts came over the last four games of the season of which Manningham was slid to the third WR. He played in three of the last four weeks (sat week 17) but did not start. That, to me, is a fairly obvious passing of the torch from Manningham to Nicks and I don't expect Nicks to give it back barring injury...

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Look at the starts for each last year. Mario got a lot of starts early. Makes sense. Nicks was a rookie dinged and Manningham was in his second season. 4 of Nick's 6 starts came over the last four games of the season of which Manningham was slid to the third WR. He played in three of the last four weeks (sat week 17) but did not start. That, to me, is a fairly obvious passing of the torch from Manningham to Nicks and I don't expect Nicks to give it back barring injury...

Your statement is clearly slanted to favor Nicks though Fanatic. You mention it was Manningham's 2nd season but he didn't play hardly at all his first season due to injury and on top of that, he came out of college as a junior. So to simply say it was Manningham's 2nd year as an NFL receiver does no justice to the truth.Manningham I believe also got dinged towards the end of the season, so one could look at Manningham's start to the season the same as Nicks ended it if you flipped over the hour glass.The truth is this. One finished 30th overall and the other 29th overall. If it were my pick in the draft and both were on the board and had to draft one I'd probably take Nicks due to what appears is big play potential. However, if we assume that both players are 100 percent healthy for the entire season, I don't see the discrepancy that most see in this thread which probably will lead to Manningham living up to his ADP and Nicks having to work very hard to get his.I was just in a 16 team survivor league, start 3 WR and I took Manningham as WR 50 something. I don't get it, he finished 30th last year in basically his first year as a pro. Whatever, even if he falls back 20 spots from last year he'll earn his ADP.I'll be the first to say I think he needs to improve his sideline work. There were some Manningham threads last year where I'm in them talking about how he needs to do that. Go back 5 years ago or so and you'll see threads about me talking about how Plaxico Buress needed to work on his sideline work.I've been a Manningham advocate before the Giants took him in the 3rd round. I thought they got great value from him the day they draft him and I think he'll continue to improve. It'll be interesting to see how the year unfolds.

 

[Jackal King]

Look at the starts for each last year. Mario got a lot of starts early. Makes sense. Nicks was a rookie dinged and Manningham was in his second season. 4 of Nick's 6 starts came over the last four games of the season of which Manningham was slid to the third WR. He played in three of the last four weeks (sat week 17) but did not start. That, to me, is a fairly obvious passing of the torch from Manningham to Nicks and I don't expect Nicks to give it back barring injury...

Your statement is clearly slanted to favor Nicks though Fanatic. You mention it was Manningham's 2nd season but he didn't play hardly at all his first season due to injury and on top of that, he came out of college as a junior. So to simply say it was Manningham's 2nd year as an NFL receiver does no justice to the truth.Manningham I believe also got dinged towards the end of the season, so one could look at Manningham's start to the season the same as Nicks ended it if you flipped over the hour glass.The truth is this. One finished 30th overall and the other 29th overall. If it were my pick in the draft and both were on the board and had to draft one I'd probably take Nicks due to what appears is big play potential. However, if we assume that both players are 100 percent healthy for the entire season, I don't see the discrepancy that most see in this thread which probably will lead to Manningham living up to his ADP and Nicks having to work very hard to get his.I was just in a 16 team survivor league, start 3 WR and I took Manningham as WR 50 something. I don't get it, he finished 30th last year in basically his first year as a pro. Whatever, even if he falls back 20 spots from last year he'll earn his ADP.I'll be the first to say I think he needs to improve his sideline work. There were some Manningham threads last year where I'm in them talking about how he needs to do that. Go back 5 years ago or so and you'll see threads about me talking about how Plaxico Buress needed to work on his sideline work.I've been a Manningham advocate before the Giants took him in the 3rd round. I thought they got great value from him the day they draft him and I think he'll continue to improve. It'll be interesting to see how the year unfolds.

My original question really was less about which of the two were better....my question was why are there 54 WR's between the two in the dynasty ranking?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

The truth is this. One finished 30th overall and the other 29th overall.

I'm not sure why it matters so much where Manningham finished last year. His value was FAR higher early in the season than it was at year-end. Why? Because Manningham isn't that great of a WR, and Nicks demonstrated that he's a better player. So who cares where they finished last season, when Manningham started way more games than he'll start this year?

I was just in a 16 team survivor league, start 3 WR and I took Manningham as WR 50 something. I don't get it, he finished 30th last year in basically his first year as a pro. Whatever, even if he falls back 20 spots from last year he'll earn his ADP.

WR 50 doesn't seem that far off to me. Maybe it's a bit low - or maybe not. Again, you repeat this line of "he finished 30th last year" as if it means sometime special. He was a starter last year for much of the season. He won't be this year. Thus his ranking last year means very little, because it has limited bearing on what we can expect from him in 2010.What stats do you see from Manningham? 600 yds and 4 TDs? More? Less?

 

[TheFanatic]

Look at the starts for each last year. Mario got a lot of starts early. Makes sense. Nicks was a rookie dinged and Manningham was in his second season. 4 of Nick's 6 starts came over the last four games of the season of which Manningham was slid to the third WR. He played in three of the last four weeks (sat week 17) but did not start. That, to me, is a fairly obvious passing of the torch from Manningham to Nicks and I don't expect Nicks to give it back barring injury...

Your statement is clearly slanted to favor Nicks though Fanatic. You mention it was Manningham's 2nd season but he didn't play hardly at all his first season due to injury and on top of that, he came out of college as a junior. So to simply say it was Manningham's 2nd year as an NFL receiver does no justice to the truth.Manningham I believe also got dinged towards the end of the season, so one could look at Manningham's start to the season the same as Nicks ended it if you flipped over the hour glass.The truth is this. One finished 30th overall and the other 29th overall. If it were my pick in the draft and both were on the board and had to draft one I'd probably take Nicks due to what appears is big play potential. However, if we assume that both players are 100 percent healthy for the entire season, I don't see the discrepancy that most see in this thread which probably will lead to Manningham living up to his ADP and Nicks having to work very hard to get his.I was just in a 16 team survivor league, start 3 WR and I took Manningham as WR 50 something. I don't get it, he finished 30th last year in basically his first year as a pro. Whatever, even if he falls back 20 spots from last year he'll earn his ADP.I'll be the first to say I think he needs to improve his sideline work. There were some Manningham threads last year where I'm in them talking about how he needs to do that. Go back 5 years ago or so and you'll see threads about me talking about how Plaxico Buress needed to work on his sideline work.I've been a Manningham advocate before the Giants took him in the 3rd round. I thought they got great value from him the day they draft him and I think he'll continue to improve. It'll be interesting to see how the year unfolds.

Manningham sat week 17, but weeks 14, 15, and 16 he played but behind Nicks. He may have gotten dinged for week 17 but he was a healthy scratch the three weeks prior.And yes, Manningham was injured his first season, but he also had a full season in the pros, being around the team, sitting in on film sessions, a second preseason and TC with the QB, etc. Him being injured his rookie year was not like it was a wash. He was more familiar with the offense and thus got the starts early but by the end of the season he lost his job to Nicks and it was not due to injury. He actually had decent numbers in the three games at the end of the season that Nicks started over him.

 

[identikit]

FWIW...

NYG Steve Smith said on an NFL.com webchat today:

On what fans should expect from second-year WR Hakeem Nicks this season:

“Man, just an even better season. He just scratched the surface last season. We've seen what he can do, especially after the catch. He's so good at that. I think he's on a mission to put up even bigger numbers next season.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkgiants/pos..._medium=twitter

 

[JPeso]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise. The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

The Giants would be foolish not to resign Smith, he is a great NFL receiver. If they let him go, that will leave a huge hole on that team.

They are best served to resign him, yes, but let's not go tossing around the word great. Smith is not great.

 

[Avery]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise. The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

The Giants would be foolish not to resign Smith, he is a great NFL receiver. If they let him go, that will leave a huge hole on that team.

They are best served to resign him, yes, but let's not go tossing around the word great. Smith is not great.

Not great all time but I would put him as a top 20 dynasty WR so would you settle for pretty damn good?

 

[JPeso]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise. The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

The Giants would be foolish not to resign Smith, he is a great NFL receiver. If they let him go, that will leave a huge hole on that team.

They are best served to resign him, yes, but let's not go tossing around the word great. Smith is not great.

Not great all time but I would put him as a top 20 dynasty WR so would you settle for pretty damn good?

Sorry, Avery, pretty good is all I can do. The "damn" is just too much for me. He's right outside of my top 20 in dynasty.

 

[Avery]

Manningham was the #29 receiver in my league last year and Nicks was #27 (non-ppr, start 3 WR, 12 teams). They both achieved this in their first respective year of significant playing time. If they weren't on the same team (with another guy who was in the top 15 among WRs) each would be receiving heaps of praise. The fact is, so long as both improve a little (perhaps at Smith's expense), they are both legit starters with high upside. Steve Smith is a free agent after this season. We'll see if the Giants try to resign him. If not, 2011 could be Manningham and Nicks, with Barden at WR3.The bet may favor Nicks as a future WR1, but both are in the running.

The Giants would be foolish not to resign Smith, he is a great NFL receiver. If they let him go, that will leave a huge hole on that team.

They are best served to resign him, yes, but let's not go tossing around the word great. Smith is not great.

Not great all time but I would put him as a top 20 dynasty WR so would you settle for pretty damn good?

Sorry, Avery, pretty good is all I can do. The "damn" is just too much for me. He's right outside of my top 20 in dynasty.

I guess it's semantical argument because I would say one of the top 25(?) or so WRs to have in the entire NFL for a dynasty league is pretty damn good.